Game Development

Alexandre Vaillancourt

00:16

@Hjorthenify Now do a remake of that windows screen saver!

Blue Bug

00:54

@Sie Korea min wage of 5.70 with the same living standard and cost of newyork city.

MickLH

@AlexandreVaillancourt Just remember, the most presumptive and ignorant users are usually the loudest ones also. The vast majority of user complaints are (at least indirectly) because of user error :P

Alexandre Vaillancourt

01:13

@MickLH Yeah; the request was from users who 'used the feature in another room', so I figured that people here could like it too, but they did not know yet!

Blue Bug

"...Please star responsibly." I am born rebel. The blood of revolution flows within me!!!!!!! Can't stop won't stop!!!!!!! (stars "staarrrrrss" message)

Almo

@MickLH did you get my email?

Blue Bug

can modders tell who stars which message?

Almo

I'm not sure

MickLH

01:36

@Almo yessir, amazing timing lol

I wonder if your email mindvibe is what triggered me to visit the chat :P

Alexandre Vaillancourt

01:48

@BlueBug Room owners can't, dunno about mods..

And TBH, if a message is starred inappropriately, we generally just remove them...

MickLH

*inappropriate is defined arbitrarily at the whim of whoever has the power for the moment. terms and conditions may apply.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Absolutely ;)

I generally remove those about singletons, java vs c++, and politics...

MickLH

I'm not quite sure if I like this place anymore, ever since the room synchronized and everyone posted the same thing (gamedev advice related at that!) and filled the star board with copies of it... and then they all got deleted.

Like whoever deleted those let me ask you: Who do you think you are? Do you really think that you can just come in and deem something "inappropriate" when nearly the entire channel starred it and re-posted it?

Because I'd rather not hang around a place that enables people like that

(btw, writing your designs down on paper is actually a really good idea...)

jgallant

I will devour your soul

MickLH

Sadly everywhere I turn... someone is screwing up pretty badly... so even with people like that around, this place is still significantly above average.

jgallant

01:56

So stop caring so much

That's what i do

MickLH

My ego won't let me fully stop caring

jgallant

No shit you gotta work at it

The more I care the more I get worked up

MickLH

I get annoyed about it... How dare people suck at life on MY home planet. I'd like to believe my species is better than that.

jgallant

No point in getting all worked up about nonsense

Check out @JNQ_Prog's Tweet: twitter.com/JNQ_Prog/status/831961684457684992?s=09

MickLH

legit!

jgallant

02:01

I'm inspiring.

Gonna put that on my resume.

MickLH

02:30

I'm still adjusting to it... I have all the time I could ask for to work on my personal projects now.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Would it be dumb to make a game for a OUYA?

MickLH

Doesn't that thing run Android?

Thing totally runs Android!

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Yeah, but they're kind of out of business :P

MickLH

I mean... It could easily be ported to mobile platforms at least?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

That's the theory!

Or to Razer's platform :P

MickLH

02:38

Oh did Razer do something with it??

wow look at that "Forge TV"

Alexandre Vaillancourt

They bought it! I guess they did it for the users base and the developers base, though. Did did not do anything with the technology...

Alexandre Vaillancourt

02:51

I'm out, good night!

MickLH

03:02

night

Almo

03:29

@MickLH I suspect it was

Blue Bug

@AlexandreVaillancourt good nite

I think Unity is great. I kinda felt about site being flooded with Unity question but I guess it's the new meta

I submit

Chris McFarland

03:45

It's hip and easy enough to get into

I've been dabbling with Unity for 5 years now :|

smkplus

07:31

Hi friends....

i have question can somebody help me?

I want make game bot for telegram by unity but i don't know how can i use Telegram APi

unity HTML5 can support in mobile without install any plugin (WEBGL)

MickLH

07:56

@UriPopov Use the vertices of the mesh itself, possibly plus random displacements

Hjorthenify

@smkplus So what do you need help with?

MickLH

@UriPopov Make sure it's tessellated regularly, so that it distributes pretty evenly... or alternatively use transform feedback with a geometry shader to do a one time conversion into a surface point mesh

(actually you could do that as a prebake if you wanted to be able to fine grained tweak it by hand after it generates all the particle spawnpoints)

Uri Popov

09:08

@MickLH what are you on about m8?

MickLH

Just use the verts as particle spawn points

You might want to pre-process by converting large polygons into several points

but it should be pretty straightforward

Uri Popov

oh yeah I figured that one out already

unity does that for me

MickLH

lmao so that guy's plugin is pretty much totally frivolous

Uri Popov

just choose mesh as the shape in the particle system and it uses the verts

MickLH

hahaha

Uri Popov

09:11

well not really cause it is a lot of work to make the effect itself

Since i'm just a coder I can now spawn white ball shapes with a glow from the vert points

not make it look like fire :D

MickLH

lol! I guess I kinda like making those kind of sprites

Uri Popov

but I'm pretty sure I'm going to write my own particle shaders for the new game. It could be fun. Like the soundwave to screen distortion shader I made for GGJ

MickLH

that's pretty much the art I can do, is those kind of FX input buffers like particle sprites... the stuff that's not actually really so artsy, but is more like math hacking

well.. I guess drawing shooter game floor plans is sortof an art too

it's really easy to make a bad fps map... much more subtle making a good one

I think the particle shader is the right approach, no need to hit a texture unit just for something you can do with a gradient probably

Uri Popov

yep. I recently discovered this plugin for unity called ProBuilder Itlooks really cool

MickLH

dude I was looking at ProBuilder the other day... made me want to try Unity harder lol

Uri Popov

09:14

it's like for modeling whole levels

MickLH

yeah it exactly covers my primary use case

Uri Popov

tbh Unity can be a really cool and powerful engine if you fork out a extra $200 for 3rd party stuff

MickLH

Dude that polygon shaped area light shit...

legit.

I think it was a team of Unity guys and Uni guys who came up with an awesome math hack

Using linearly transformed cosines to approximate PBR BRDFs, so that you can analytically integrate them

Allowing you to compute arbitrary polygon shaped area lights

Uri Popov

labs.unity.com/article/… ?

MickLH

yeah

Real-Time Polygonal-Light Shading with Linearly Transformed Cosines

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star shaped light bro. it's actually way cooler than it seems lol

it means we can start using actually lightbulb shaped lights in game next year maybe

Uri Popov

09:19

I'm gonna steal that code I think

yep

MickLH

I mean for bulbs it's no big deal, probably still use point lights for efficiency...

But for fluorescent tubessss

Finally... the lighting environment will look right under industrial light :')

Uri Popov

well in the paper they say that using 8 rectangle lights rendersr at 15ms per frame

slow as hell

MickLH

yeah... but next year! after a bit of optimization bukakke

The core of their idea basically leads to an awesome framework for doing analytic integration effects with PBR materials, without completely destroying any hope of playing in realtime lol

Someone just needs to come up with an efficient way to pack "fuzzy shadow maps" or something along those lines

Like using a lightfield as a shadow map basically

It also handles importance sampling based on the underlying cosines, so it's probably possible to do a Gaussian quadrature with a few importance samples and get the beautiful soft shadows to go with the area light.

Uri Popov

man you are really going into the deep end :D

MickLH

If Unity came out with extremely extremely scalable physics, I'd definitely re-evaluate using their engine.

But my game is mostly physics based, and it's way too much to ask from Bullet or Havok or anything. I have to use lots of hacks and weird custom shit everywhere. Basically imagine a destructible world, except instead of everything breaking into generic chunks, there's artwork for all the pieces inside.

I'm pretty sure that's the part I have to write myself

and idk it just felt weird trying to coax existing engines into doing what I want exactly, even though they do most of what I need, I can't afford generic solutions for some things and so even Unreal doesn't scale past the smallest test levels

actually I came up with a totally different approach to physics on this trip lol

Instead of doing tiny "steps" every frame, I just prebake the entire physics animation in advance

So the first frame does all the physics and then after that the engine just plays back an animation of everything falling into place

Hjorthenify

09:36

Sounds like you've made a pact with the devil

Uri Popov

doesnt Farseer do something like that ?

MickLH

I'm not sure, though it has a timestep so I don't think so

There's no timestep this way, you can use delta time to interpolate a smooth formula

something like: position = lastPosition + dt * lastVelocity + dt * dt * gravity / 2.0;

It actually might be possible to get the efficiency of an approach like that higher than standard step-based physics, because you only need to hit the scene graph and only need to do collision detection once per actual collision, instead of once per frame

The drawback that makes me not sure if it's actually asymptotically more efficient or not is that each individual collision detection actually becomes a sweep test... and a non-linear one at that

but! it can yield "perfect" physics where there's no object penetration ever, if you compute collisions accurately

(feel free to code up a highly optimized GPU implementation of this kthx, will buy on asset store ty)

DH.

09:59

Hey Mick

You're still alive

MickLH

yeah technically, I guess

jgallant

10:15

Don't cry for me, I'm already dead.

Kevin van der Velden

10:38

Dibs on the loot!

What are we talking about?

Oh hey mick

Hjorthenify

11:13

Hi Kevin

jgallant

12:43

user92578

lol

jgallant

13:01

show me another tripeaks game that you could play that small

user92578

that's cool

jgallant

lmao

i typed tripeaks in google image search, and i'm the first result

DH.

Because google search is "optimized" to each person

Google probably knows that you are proud of yourself

jgallant

lol

Uri Popov

so Application.OpenURL no longer opens links with www on iOS

dafuck

@jgallant you dont even show up in my google search bro :D

jgallant

13:20

image search

Uri Popov

yep

ArtOfCode

14:18

→ 21 messages moved to Trashcan

user92578

What? How? Why? What?

Stephane Hockenhull

not game related

ArtOfCode

that's not appropriate for a pseudo-professional, public chatroom. Keep it clean and respectful, please.

Stephane Hockenhull

well ... not video game related ;)

user92578

That can't be the reason

Stephane Hockenhull

14:20

it was definitely "game" related LOL

user92578

oh all right

Kevin van der Velden

@StephaneHockenhull not at all

Stephane Hockenhull

@KevinvanderVelden different type of "game": dating game.

Uri Popov

are we going back to the time where if I post a meme I get a timeout ?

Kevin van der Velden

@StephaneHockenhull nope

Not at all related to dating

@UriPopov and no, if it's just a random regular meme I don't think anyone wil have a problem with it

Uri Popov

14:25

what if it's a really dank meme?

Stephane Hockenhull

LOL

jgallant

14:57

Same case, lost everything since no cloud save....and still no achievements.....but you are greenlighting a new game ?

Nice comment thanks bud

Sorry. I will be adding support for cloud saves and achievements soon enough.

It is true, I have other projects. Over the past few months I have contributed a lot of code to the game development community, and it required a lot of effort and time. I even wrote articles.

I would like to point out that a lot of support was provided for Picross Touch since it's original release. Workshop support was added, the UI was overhauled, options were added, and bugs were fixed.

I continue to support Picross Touch, and I do it completely for free.

My reply. Fuck you is what I wanted to reply

Hjorthenify

15:09

Sooo... He's complaining that you haven't added minor features to a f2p game? wtf

Kevin van der Velden

Picross touch isn't free to play

Hjorthenify

Oh

Kevin van der Velden

Wait it is

NEVERMIND

I thought it was a few bucks

jgallant

It is free

Free to play has iap

My game is 100% free. That is the best part.

Uri Popov

A donkey fell into a bowl of sugar

Now that is a sweet ass

i'll be here all week folks

jgallant

15:15

Here's a dirty joke

Three white horses fall into some mud

Hjorthenify

Sorry.. Wifi dc'd, don't know why but i has been very bad today.

jgallant

Bad?

Uri Popov

@jgallant i was waiting for the next part until I got the joke

Hjorthenify

@jgallant Your game has really good ratings. Don't let one salty fuck annoy you with a bad review.

jgallant

Wait letme take a pic

Uri Popov

15:17

we had one salty guy on our game. "FAGGOTS This game is boring... People should play Minecraft or GTA instead of this." Our game is a educational one X_x

jgallant

Hjorthenify

Was probably lacking education

Kevin van der Velden

@jgallant #canada?

jgallant

yeah lol

Hjorthenify

And im annoyed by the snow we have here in Denmark.. wtf

jgallant

15:18

that is going on right now

we beat our 1992 record

i got power though :D

Hjorthenify

Quick stock up on Tuna cans

and drain that car for fuel while you can

jgallant

also, the snow drifted all around the cars

so that worked out really sweet up to now

But yeah that guy -- I get it he was pissed his save was gone

I should have put cloud support 5 months ago

BUT I DIDN'T WOOOPS

Hjorthenify

Add cloud support, then accidently make his cloud not work

jgallant

My motivation went away so I started doign other things.

That is the best part about having a hobby -- you don't have to feel obligated

I should put a check for his user name, lol

randomly delete levels everytime he beats 3

user92578

Can't you just tick a checkbox and use the legacy cloud system?

jgallant

15:22

no

unity stores the shit in the registry.

Hjorthenify

Add microtransactions for enabling cloud save

user92578

that's stupid

jgallant

yeah, PlayerPrefs

user92578

Chris uses the legacy thing though

user92578

so I guess he has a separate save system then?

Hjorthenify

15:23

PlayerPrefs in registry makes sense.. Just the "windows way"

jgallant

as long as its a file

Kevin van der Velden

@jgallant uugh, I may need to throw up after reading that

Stephane Hockenhull

@jgallant HAHAHAHAHA

jgallant

office closed for the day

i wonder why..

Hjorthenify

Maybe there's a bear at loose?

jgallant

15:27

maybe its because all roads have 3 foot drifts on them

Hjorthenify

Nah that wouldn't stop a canadian, would it?

jgallant

plow hasn't come on my street yet, the road is impassable

Uri Popov

tfw your Texture artist has spent the last 2 hours painting fine details on the horns of one enemy unit. This game is gonna be sick

jgallant

I sometimes just go out to do spin outs all over the place

Uri Popov

listening to this I presume youtube.com/watch?v=XCiDuy4mrWU :D

jgallant

15:29

this youtube.com/watch?v=GugsCdLHm-Q

Uri Popov

damn son that's old school :D

Stephane Hockenhull

15:43

Aw yiiiiiis. The old notification overlay is back and the spam gone.

Uri Popov

yaaaaaaaaaaas!

Almo

@AlexandreVaillancourt yes, it would.

That thing was DOA

Uri Popov

guys guys The dice in my game had no friction so in rare cases it would spin forever:D

lel

Almo

haha :)

@UriPopov there's a Run DMC track (King of Rock) where they say "strictly new never ever old school" hahaha

Uri Popov

jokes on them Run DMC are hella old school now

DH.

15:45

@UriPopov Now I'm wondering why your game has a die

Uri Popov

cause its a board game ?

DH.

Oh, you have more than one project?

Uri Popov

well The educational board game that teaches kids rudimentary financial knowledge is done(fixing some bugs and improvement based on users) and then there is the hack n slash game with the reaper girl that is in early development

DH.

Oh yeah right, the educational one, I remember

Uri Popov

ok started randomly getting null references in a old method that worked great

breakpointed it

debuged it

nothing happend. Restarted the game. Now the errors dont happen anymroe wtf

Hjorthenify

15:59

Probably a serialization issue

Uri Popov

16:09

@jgallant now I'm on a queen wave

10x

jgallant

16:23

queen?

oh

yeah lol

Stephane Hockenhull

I'm watching some python openCV tutorial video and cringing so much

The guy generates a filename as path + "/" + str(index) + ".png" and CUT & PASTE this all over the place rather than shove it into a string

DH.

Why?

Stephane Hockenhull

that's just 1 example :P

jgallant

heh

i love it when tutorials are done by people that don't have any idea what they are doing

Stephane Hockenhull

The guy also sets a counter variable rather than check if the file exists to resume mass downloads. And spends more time explaining to people to watch out for the script overwriting files if they don't set that index var properly than adding a 2-line check that would avoid that issue.

jgallant

16:28

I listened to this guy explain to me that command prompt is a updated version of old windows

DH.

lel

jgallant

some teenager on youtube, lol

If you are below the age of 20 you shouldn't be teaching anything other than how to light a fart on fire

right @Tyyppi_77?

user92578

I guess so, I'll try to shut up in the future :)

jgallant

yeah leave the teaching to old farts like me

you asshole :P

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Almo There was fun games on it :P Get drunk and play small and simple games with your friends!

jgallant

16:32

Breaking news: the issue is fixed in 5.4.3f1. Now, in PlayerSettings (Android) you'll find a checkbox named "Mute Other Audio Sources". If unchecked, the game won't stop external audio when run. I

Stephane Hockenhull

The guy was also renting a linux server, having to SSH to it and the server was a 1Ghz 2core/2thread 2GB RAM "server" to do his openCV crunching.

FFS My 5 years old laptop is a 2.2Ghz+Turboboost 4C/8T 12GB ram dual-boot Linux/Win7 machine. The hell is your home machine, a 486?
Boot off some live Linux USB key or virtual machine... geez.

Almo

Can do that with a PS4. Plenty of little indie games on there.

jgallant

THIS IS WHY MY GAME CUTS OFF MUSIC

Almo

but with a decent controller.

jgallant

i tried to fix this

goddamnit unity

unity should pay me for lost time

lol, damn free software, who do theyt hink they are?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

16:35

@Almo But the cost to ship games on the PS4 is higher, isn't it? I mean, there is a cost, right?

Almo

I beleive so

but there are a lot of nice $10 games on PSN like Rotastic.

jgallant

if it has DLC i'm interested

Almo

Rotastic does not :)

Alexandre Vaillancourt

But on ouya the games were 5$ :P

hehe

(or less)

Almo

but i bet they weren't as good

and the controller is crappy

jgallant

16:39

What annoys me the most baout the Zelda season pass -- is that people are excited about the "new storyline mission".... they don't get the fact that it is content that was held back for extra money.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Some were ok; not big games, though..

Almo

yeah I'm talking about small games too

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Oh, hehe; I guess I don't browse games that much!

Haven't had the time to play at home since Christmas..

Almo

hehe

DH.

Hate the console digital shops

I can't buy shit because most stuff "isn't available in my country"

jgallant

16:43

canada passed a law that allows any package under 30g to be opened and searched if deemed suspicious

Kevin van der Velden

So now drugs dealers send packages of 31g?

jgallant

i guess so... how much does fentanyl weight?

Kevin van der Velden

Well we used 1700 kilo globally in 2013 so probably not much

jgallant

solution -- send your drugs in 35g+ packaging

weigh down your dildos

protect your privacy

Stephane Hockenhull

So now letters aren't protected anymore? It's all warrant-less searches now...

jgallant

16:48

that is why i mentioned it.

piece by piece, we are eroding away our rights to privacy.

Stephane Hockenhull

It's not just privacy. Anything can be taken out of context and used to make up charges if they don't like your opinion.

jgallant

If you told everyone in the 80s or 90s that everything they did was kept in some secret government profile

Stephane Hockenhull

They're already using vague "hate speech" laws to punish people they don't like

jgallant

There was have been massive revolt.

Almo

it's the attitude that if someone does something bad like kill someone, it's not that person's fault. It's the fault of the system for letting it happen. So we give up liberty for security

Stephane Hockenhull

16:51

But if someone makes a joke then he deserves jail time.

jgallant

its like costco -- we are all deemed to be criminals trying to steal until we show our receipt

Almo

walmart has started doing that here not sure if elsewhere

jgallant

the concept of preventing murders by watching everyone, is fucken insane.

and why people back that concept is beyond me

Almo

yeah

I totally understand it. "I have nothing ot hide, go ahead and watch eveyrone"

they don't realize that once the surveillance is in place, it takes little for someone to decide that you do have something to hide.

jgallant

over multiple generations -- piece by piece.

Almo

16:53

yeah

Stephane Hockenhull

Until the bad guys are the gov and they take any excuse to jail dissenters.

jgallant

people have a hard time looking at the big picture.

Almo

the worlds of 1984 and brave new world weren't assembled in a day

Stephane Hockenhull

They're using 1984 as an instruction manual :P

jgallant

Look, i get the need for control.

10 billion people

Almo

16:54

they must have come to be over years of changes

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@jgallant It's also to prevent you from going out twice with the same receipt but new items..

jgallant

i don't care i don't steal

why should i be treated like a criminal

Stephane Hockenhull

I'm okay with costco checking receipt because that keeps my prices low. I wouldn't be okay with costco showing up at my house checking everything I have in case I stole something and then I need to prove I didn't steal whatever thing 3 years ago...

Hjorthenify

Because you might be a criminal. Maybe your neighbor is afraid you're going to steal some of his snow?

jgallant

I went to costco and I made this huge deal over the receipt thing... I said you can see it in my cold dead hands!!!

Then I pushed my cart through

The guy puts his hand on my shoulder

I turn around, and I look at him and I say "You best tkae your fucken hand off my shoulder right now"

He does, and then I say "I don't steal, but I know karate motherfucker"

Alexandre Vaillancourt

16:57

...then don't shop at Costco...?

jgallant

Naw, I like to create scenes, I go there all the time

Stephane Hockenhull

I made one at the airport one time over their "airport improvement fee" extortion. If everyone did they'd stop it. But people prefer to just bend over, take it, and get on with their lives...

Cheaper short term, costs a lot long term.

jgallant

17:50

Governments handed the fossil fuel industry a “shocking” $5.2 trillion in subsidies in 2015

That is pretty sick.

Uri Popov

hmm to re-write the entire player class right now or not to

Hjorthenify

Do iiit

Otherwise its going to spread out on your code like acid

Uri Popov

635 lines....

nah fuck it I'll keep hacking onto it until it just werks

aint got the time and resources for this shit

Hjorthenify

Is this Unity?

Uri Popov

my office abandoned me to rot anyway

yep its unity

Hjorthenify

18:05

What

Sie

Everyone says ideas are a dime a dozen and they are but for me I can't seem to think of a good one lately.

Uri Popov

@Hjorthenify what What?

Hjorthenify

600 lines of code is just a lot for component based system :P

Sie

What What Archer Pirate Virus - 57 Minutes Mix! WITH "LYRICS"

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Uri Popov

Doesnt matter. Parts of it can be placed in other places and so on. At the end of the day that code still needs to execute

oh its 296 lines of actual code according to the analytics. I guess the rest is just my formatting

Hjorthenify

18:34

@Lasse Remember I said I fixed my wifi?

Lasse

Yeah, then you said it started again

Hjorthenify

I think its just the hardware, because its happening on windows as well

Also, journalctl reports some CTLR- error when it happens. Googling has turned up empty except for one sad soul who had the same issue but never got a reply

Lasse

Hmh yeah that can be. Have you ruled out the router?

Hjorthenify

Well it happens at uni and home

Ethernet works fine

Lasse

Have you tried some dongle?

Hjorthenify

18:43

Dont have ony at hand :/

MickLH

18:57

@Sie Don't try to think of a good one, just come up with a ton of random ones and chances are you'll get a bell curve distribution with mostly medium, some bad, some good, maybe one or two really bad, and maybe one or two really good

central limit theorem in real life

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Sie Still stuck at level design?

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