Game Development

Chris McFarland

01:10

Tallowmere, coming to Wii U on Sept 1: tallowmere.com/wii-u

14

Just got it all signed off by Nintendo :D

Stephane Hockenhull

@ChrisMcFarland nice. And I just got past room 60 a few weeks ago :D

Chris McFarland

Well done!

Stephane Hockenhull

kinda sad there's no way (that I know of) to save the kitty

tried saving keys for it

Chris McFarland

haha yeah, would be cool to have an alternate solution to that conflict

he'll be back though :)

Stephane Hockenhull

hehe

Chris McFarland

01:12

something something 9 lives

gotta reproduce more kittens somehow

Alexandre Vaillancourt

02:44

@ChrisMcFarland Nice!!

PearsonArtPhoto

03:03

Struggling to do a relatively simple math problem... Sigh.

Only not simple because there's too many possible exceptions to it...

user92578

06:31

Good morning

Uri Popov

08:51

I've been waiting on unity to convert a 4.6 project to a 5.x project for 40 mins now

wtf is up with that

Chris McFarland

09:04

converting your scripts :S?

that seems like too much time

user92578

can you guys get to GD.net?

Chris McFarland

gamedev.net loads for me

user92578

I can't get there, by browsing protection blocks the site and if I manually allow it I end up in one of those domain holder ad sites

user92578

I keep having these issues

user92578

I found that the issue I had with surge was also caused by this

Chris McFarland

09:15

Can you change your DNS?

user92578

Probably

Chris McFarland

use.opendns.com

or developers.google.com/speed/public-dns

arda

@UriPopov ouch, hope you had backups

user92578

seems to work now

user92578

with the dns that is

arda

09:20

unity upgrades are pretty unreliable in my cases

Chris McFarland

:(

Unity can be very fragile

Uri Popov

Scripts are fine they just started throwing warnings about depricated stuff. For some reason it went and ReImported all of the sprites and animations. This was a fairly big project and it reimported even the ones that not being used in the game.

all of that so I can steal 1 prefab from that project and place it in my new one :D

arda

09:39

@UriPopov told you to backup

Uri Popov

I've got backups of the backUps man

its all backed up on my backup drive

arda

@UriPopov zip bomb?

Jon

It's all backed up on the same pc in the same location. Safe

Some high profile servers at work had off site hot spares

Chris McFarland

I've got 3 backup places. I'm super cautious D:

Jon

Damn annoying to update

Chris McFarland

09:44

heh

Uri Popov

what no. The backup of the backup is on a remote drive duh

a private remote drive mind you

not some cloud storage bull

oh there is another backup in my private megaupload repo

but that is just full of builds not actual source code

@arda what does a zip bomb have to do with this ?

arda

@UriPopov backuping a backup inside a backup will end up being huge

Uri Popov

I was going for the Xzibit meme I just have seperate copies of the same backUps on different locations

Chris McFarland

man, I remember back on Windows 95 I think it was, parents needed a few documents backed up cuz we needed to reformat and reinstall Windows cuz it was being stupid.
Ended up buying WinZip and created a zip archive that spanned 20 floppy disks

and then when it came time to restore the single zip off of all the disks, one of the floppies was corrupt lol

Uri Popov

bad times

Chris McFarland

09:51

yeah, those were the days

now it's like, eh, 1 terabyte of storage online for cheap? okay

Chris McFarland

10:04

Cool read - news.digipen.edu/alumni/ryan-chew-team-overwatch - Ever since he first played The Lost Vikings by Blizzard Entertainment (the company was called Silicon & Synapse back then), it had always been one of Ryan Chew’s dreams to work at the legendary game studio. Now, the 30-year-old DigiPen graduate is on the frontlines of Blizzard’s development team behind their latest smash-hit title, Overwatch.

DH.

10:46

Morning guys

Uri Popov

mornin

arda

morning

Chris McFarland

Good morning

Almo

blizz gettin ddosed by those cheaters they banned (they think)

jesus people are shitheads

gotta head out talk later

arda

I saw messages like "can we sue blizz for banning us?"

DH.

11:00

Answer them "Yeah, totally, go for it man!"

So they can lose the lawsuit and will lose even more money paying a lawyer

Chris McFarland

yeah frckin ddos
was having trouble even loading Blizzard's website :(

too many hurt butts

DH.

Blizzard needs to make W4 soon, I need a good RTS to play

Last C&C4 was shit, the new C&C was cancelled, SC2 is almost dead because MOBA and W3 is too old

Uri Popov

^^^^^^^^^^

I think there was a project recreating wc3 in the sc2 engine

dont know what happened to it

arda

11:17

I want diablo 4 or a d3 expansion

Chris McFarland

11:48

between D3, Path of Exile, and Grim Dawn, it's a pretty good mix to satisfy the action RPG itch

DH.

I played that indie, Adventures of Van Helsing, it's a good one too

Chris McFarland

nice, that one looks pretty cool

Uri Popov

Victor Vran is another cool ARPG

made in Bulgaria too :D

DH.

Oh I took a look at this one too, came out on Steam recently right?

Uri Popov

yep

Almo

13:10

Diablo 4 is like... 2024 or something

Chris McFarland

haha

Almo

D1 - 1996
D2 - 2000
D3 - 2012
D4 - 2024

that's being generous. It could be
D1 - 1996
D2 - 2000
D3 - 2012
D4 - 2048

D3 - D2 = (D2 - D1) * 3

using that formula you get 2048 for D4

PearsonArtPhoto

LOL

DH.

Seeing the wait we are having for a W4, 2048 seems feasible

Almo

We don't even know if they will make W4

like when they made W3FT, there were no announcements, but they immediately started work on SC2

but if you watched the W3 credits long enough, some marines and hydralisks came out

kind of a hint I guess.

Chris McFarland

13:24

hah

Almo

Starcraft early version in the W2 engine.

pretty seriously fugly

Chris McFarland

I love development screenshots like this

Uri Popov

god damn that is ugly

user92578

13:40

All right, my decal rendering fix hack has broken

user92578

Who could have guessed that manually fixing 1px rendering artifacts wasn't a great idea

user92578

oh man I have no clue how to fix it properly

Sean Bean

There are 157 SE sites. If you sign up to every single one of them your total rep would go to 15.7k... noice

Hello?

Anyone?

no?

Guys?

William Mariager

14:10

@Tyyppi_77 What's the problem?

Sean Bean

?

Almo

problem with the ternary operator?

Sean Bean

hey

Almo

14:27

nice try

Sean Bean

?

Almo

the name change

William Mariager

How much VRAM would a 2048x2048 32-bit color texture use? 2048x2048x4bytes=16Mbytes?

Sean Bean

?

Almo

Sounds like you're right William, though I don't know for sure

I'm a real noob with shit like that

William Mariager

14:33

Yeah, me too.

Sean Bean

14:53

Hahaha Just got lots of free st00f

Signing up to every site

Gives you alot of rep

I have like 6k

Almo

haha Kotaku called Elder Scrolls Legends "Brown Hearthstone"

Sean Bean

xD

DH.

Fair enough

Seeing that they are creating a card game just because Hearthstone went well

Almo

lots of people doing that

GnomeSlice

strangeloopgames.com/augmenting-the-classroom

Sie

15:07

Humongous Entertainment / Pajama Sam video is almost done. Main commentary is done. All I gotta do now is edit and get those answers back from Mr. Dawson.

user92578

@Almo smooth!

Almo

Humongous... Moonbase Commander. One of the best turn-based games ever

Sie

Ya. The video is mainly focused on Pajama Sam but I will likely be doing videos on their other works.

It's kind of sad. HE was tossed around quite a bit and the company as well as some classic franchises are stuck in limbo.

Jon

Poo

user92578

flagged

Almo

15:14

yeah

user92578

@WilliamMariager If I'm not at the corners of a level, my decal render texture gets rendered one pixel off in both axes (axis? axises? idk)

Almo

MBC was supposedly a home project, and they noticed everyone was playing it at lunch. so they published. but parent company insisted on the Space Camp sweepstakes and skinning it for a younger audience despite being a seriously hardcore strategy game.

Sie

@Almo The two co-founders did try to start a new company and did. They released only 6 games. Probably because one of the co-founders decided to defraud a bank for $1.4-$1.5 million dollars.

William Mariager

@Tyyppi_77 That sounds peculiar :P

Sie

Shelley Day

Shelley Day is a former producer of video games. She began her career in 1985 with Electronic Arts. After leaving LucasArts, she founded Humongous Entertainment with colleague Ron Gilbert. She also worked for Accolade, Taito, and LucasArts before cofounding Humongous Entertainment. She created the famous Putt-Putt character as a bedtime story for her son, which became a series of popular children's video games. In 1999 she was listed on Time Magazine as one of the "Cyber Elite". She also assisted in the development of Humongous's brand, Cavedog Entertainment. After leaving Humongous, she founded...

user92578

15:16

@WilliamMariager Oh yeah, either my rendering code is somehow flawed or SDL does something odd behind the scenes I have not accounted for

Jon

Yeah she knew Ron fucken Gilbert

user92578

Basically if the level camera offset has any decimal places, it fucks everything up

Jon

Pretty sure that had something to do with her success

user92578

At the borders it's clamped to integer positions, so there's no trouble

Jon

Also Ron Gilbert is hugely fat now

Oh wait is he fat or not

Impossible to tell the guy changes weight like crazy

Sie

15:20

Did anyone of you play any of the Pajama Sam games? They were basically my first experience with PC gaming outside of like Solitare lol.

Almo

@Sie oh shit

I have not

Sie

Ya. She claimed Disney Interactive was going to buy a part of their new company which isn't so unbelievable at first.

Almo

wow

Siddharth

at present I am working on "Fan Ball", some thing like this kind of game play

in this I need to move continuously fan and ball comes from the top direction

I need to throw it to open side of wall

even in this I need to balance ball multiple time

if I can't able to get ball outside wall then it collide with wall and other surface and one more time come towards ground

and if you loose to catch that then it will collider with sharpen object and its game over

so this is actual game play, I am facing 2 problem in this

1) I used wheel joint to give rotation to fan but when ball collide with fan it get slower for some time

I want to move ball at same speed always

2) fan has dragging facility by touch, so I am using transform.position for this purpose but its creates jittery movement of fan

user4704

15:39

@SeanBean Association bonuses generally don't count for things.

Siddharth

and its mostly because wheel joint can't able to function well at same time

so please give me suggestions in this

@Jon can you able to give me some hints in this?

user92578

So instead of simply casting the coordinates to ints, I switched to rounding, and now the decal map isn't offset

user92578

Is this expected? Or am I just lucky?

user4704

Depends.

user92578

From what I could gather a basic cast seems to be what people are going for generally

user4704

15:46

Casting is almost always a truncation of the decimal points (that is, dropping them).

user4704

Rounding usually goes towards or away from zero.

user92578

Yeah truncation is the word I was looking to use actually

user4704

So those things can be different for certain numbers, and when crossing zero.

user4704

(4.9 casts to 4, probably rounds to 5)

user92578

Yeah, exactly, and apparently that change seems to fix my rendering issue

user92578

15:48

Which to me is a little odd, as people generally seemed to suggest simply truncating the position

user92578

I can't seem to notice any downsides with rounding though

William Mariager

16:20

The only time I've seen truncating causing problems in grids is if you allow negative space.

floor
 1.5 =  1
 0.5 =  0
-0.5 = -1
-1.5 = -2

trunc
 1.5 =  1
 0.5 =  0
-0.5 =  0
-1.5 = -1

user92578

I had rendering issues with flooring, because negative coordinates

user92578

So I switched to truncating

user92578

And now I use rounding

William Mariager

Truncating is very unsafe if you have negative values and you expect it to behave consistently. :)

user92578

I found that to happen when flooring

William Mariager

16:24

I think your flooring function is broken :P

user92578

Because floor makes numbers bigger when they are negative, and smaller when they are positive

user92578

Hence resulting in in-consistent rendering positions

William Mariager

It doesn't make them bigger ...

Well, in length maybe, but that's how it's supposed to work. :P

user92578

Floor -1.5 = -1

William Mariager

No, that's not how floor works.

user92578

16:25

wait that's true

user92578

that's the behaviour I wanted, which is weird

user92578

truncating totally fixed my rendering issues though back in the day

user92578

caused by negative positions ending up in wrong values

user92578

Man I don't know

William Mariager

I think you might've had another underlying issue.

user92578

16:27

I don't think so...

user92578

I've spent way too much fighting with this

user92578

I'd love to have used SDL for resolution scaling

user92578

But damn was their implementation so buggy

Jon

17:55

Knock knock

Almo

Knock knock

Noctrine

Almo

18:12

:D

Jon

18:23

It's cool I'm here on behalf of Jesus Christmas

no man's sky is looking pretty shitty

"Everything in the world, down to the tiniest pebble is procedurally generated" -- leaked video shows clearly that you cannot fly into a sun -- it is part of a skybox

Which makes you wonder -- what else is part of the skybox?

And the gameplay that they so didn't want to talk about

Is literally blowing up rocks -- getting material -- upgrade ship... rinse and repeat until you get to the hardest planets

The multiplayer also, that they don't want to talk about -- and the only thing they said about it was that "You will more than likely never see another person since it is so big"

So what is it? Is it actually mulitiplayer? Can I try to find someone, or is it literally single player with data on a server? Why do they have to be so damn shady.

Whoever pre-ordered this game is a damn fool.

arda

@Jon +1 to all your points

I wouldn't pay a dime to a game that revealed pretty much nothing before release

user4704

@Jon My take is that when the game was started, that kind of thing was the goal. Then it got picked up by Sony, who (probably rightly) pointed out that there is no redeeming gameplay value there, and mandated some changes.

Jon

I personally think they didn't really know what the game was going to be

user4704

Right. "Procedurally generated everything" isn't really a game in-and-of-itself, and that's mostly what I recall of it before the Sony thing.

Jon

remaking tabs in 2d

arda

18:39

@Jon seems interesting. What is that?

Jon

Totally Realistic Battle Simulator

the 3d one looks really fun, so i figured I"d prototype it in 2d

well, put my own spin on it of course

also, mobile

arda

I blame you for having to listen to extremely annoying youtubers. youtube.com/watch?v=yxUbfUnOusI

Jon

hehe, yeah the game looks really fun

in a stupid way

i thought, what if you really made it more tactical

with missions like take over a castle

the UI is simple as shit -- just drop units while staying under budget

anyways, pretty sure i'm gonna make that after gorb

arda

It is not my thing, but have fun developing :)

Almo

I repeat, Jon is a gamedev monster.

I swear google is intelligent. I type "totally" into it, and it suggests "accurate battle simulator"

earlier at physio, she said I had "frozen shoulder" I google, type frozen, "shoulder" is #3 suggestion

Jon

18:49

accurate yeah, lol

Almo

i'm pretty sure i'd prefer your 2d version

Jon

I have a bunch of ideas

If you set a "leader", he will control people in his range

this will form groups

if the leader is killed, the group disbands

a group is much more cohesive -- and will attack in a group and so on

Almo

I like this idea

Jon

don't steal it

lmao -- its gonna be a lot of work.

i got my prototype done though, which has a nice little framework to build off of

Almo

haha no trouble, I won't steal it :)

Gotta make my damned asteroids game

I'll post playables here for people to try once I have something that works

Jon

18:59

do a day prototype

Almo

i already prototyped this 20 years ago, I'll just be rewriting the gameplay parts

what will be different is the special weapons stuff

Jon

cool

can't wait

Almo

looking forward to getting to do some design work again

tuning the weapons to be fun will be cool

I'm gonna do "the mauler cannon" which is a riff on the Druuge Mauler from Star Control II.

you shoot this powerful bullet, and it kicks your ship backward.

the best way to fly around with the Mauler in SCII was just to shoot the opposite direction you wanted to go

since it kicked way harder than the ship's normal thrusters.

SCII limited stuff with power (like mana) and the mauler could get extra power by throwing the crew memebers (who were slaves) into the furnace

crew were your hitpoints

that game was fucking awesome, by the way

Jon

19:12

i guess its one of those games that I will never play but watch on youtube

oh wow proc gen

they were using perlin noise before it was cool

William Mariager

@Almo I find Facebook scary like that too. I met a guy at Nordic Game Jam, when I came back, it had him as a suggested friend.

arda

@WilliamMariager yah, both are scary.

Almo

haha woa

William Mariager

Yeah, I guess it must've been a proximity thing, but I can't figure out why it suggested him specifically.

Almo

StarCon2 was one of the few games I've played that I thought had really good writing

arda

19:20

@WilliamMariager FACEBOOK IS SPYING ON YOU

William Mariager

Well, considering I'm feeding it my entire life, I'm not really giving it a chance not to spy. :P

arda

/puts on tinfoil hat

Kevin van der Velden

What tinfoil hat? That's facebooks entire purpose

Remember: The person paying for it gets the product. If you don't pay for it then you are the product

William Mariager

If I pay @Jon to be the product, what does that make me?

A pimp?

arda

@WilliamMariager please

I'm not going to flag that, but it is likely that someone else might

Jon

19:33

what kind of product?

William Mariager

@arda Should I have written human trafficker instead?

@Jon The kind people are willing to pay for. Not sure it's something you can really do.

Jon

sure

how much?

William Mariager

How much do I want to pay? Or how much do I want people to be willing to pay for you as a product?

Jon

How much can I get?

William Mariager

Oh, I'm not going to pay. You need to convince the people!

Jon

20:11

1$ i will let you touch my butt

2$ you can peek into my source code for 10 seconds

5$ you can eat a cracker with me on webcam.

arda

@Jon for crackers +/u/dogetipbot 5CAD verify

Jon

a single cracker

i wonder how much money I could make eating crackers on cam for 5$ a pop

Almo

- what other shit you sellin'?
- all kinds of shit. but this shit here... this kind of shit sells itself.

what movie?

Jon

Das Shit

arda

yissss I got away with cad

Chris McFarland

20:42

cracker jam

Free Internet Points

22:00

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Q: Approximating particles with with nebula

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Slereah

22:33

Dang, switching to isometric 3D was not a good move

Bugs are almost all fixed, tho

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