Game Development

user4704

15:00

So tacky.

Jon

this is my other one, its a massive beast

Matt Jens Jensen

user4704

corsair.com/en-us/obsidian-series-250d-mini-itx-pc-case

Sie

@JoshPetrie You aren't kidding. I have another case that will give most people a seizure if you turn it on in the dark.

user4704

That's the one I use now.

Jon

15:00

mini eh?

is it loud?

user4704

Nope.

Matt Jens Jensen

@JoshPetrie How do you like Mini ITX? Do you have a full size GPU board in there or one of the compact boards?

Sie

user4704

I use the small factor GPUs; there aren't many of them. I had one from ASUS originally, and I recently upgraded it

user4704

To like, the only other mini-ITX factor GPU released in the last five years.

Sie

15:02

I've always liked Shuttle PC designs. They are mostly janky pre-builts but I just love those tiny cases.

Matt Jens Jensen

Which GPU did you put in it?

Jon

I want to get a rasbpi2

user4704

I forget now. Let me go check.

user4704

It's a 960.

Sie

I really want to build a new computer but I have no need for one at the moment. Except as maybe a server.

Matt Jens Jensen

15:04

Those are great for value, I think it's the 9xx best cost for performance

Kevin van der Velden

@Jon get a raspi 3 =p

Jon

oh shit

i didn't realize 3 was out

Kevin van der Velden

A while now

I was just about to order 2 when it was announced

Sie

I'd love to get a Pi. Only thing is I want it to be kind of like a Roku. However it doesn't support Netflix without some weird pay service afaik.

Kevin van der Velden

Like, literally the day I was like "I'm gonna order one tonight"

Jon

15:06

you cannot put netflix on the PI as far as I know

Matt Jens Jensen

@Sie You can flash the OS it comes with and install whatever flavor of linux you like and play netflix on that

It's fast enough

Jon

openElec already has pi3 builds up too

Sie

@MattJensJensen I could. Then again it's beginning to seem like my PS3 is immortal.

So why bother?

Jon

I think I might buy it now, lol

Matt Jens Jensen

Very true

Jon

15:09

who.. 50$

wtf

Matt Jens Jensen

They could've really made the cable better on the vive

It's a bit of a safety hazzard

Sie

Mine is prone to getting twisted up for some reason.

Matt Jens Jensen

Even when I untangle it, it still feels tangled

Sie

Ya. I hope the next version is wireless but not sure how feasible that is.

Matt Jens Jensen

I don't think that's physically possible

Sie

15:14

Also you're a brave soul having it out on the floor like that. I keep mine in it's box with a cover on it.

Matt Jens Jensen

I keep it in its box when I'm not working with it, it's just such a pain in the ass to develop on right now

Every time I hit a breakpoint I nearly fall flat on my face

Sie

Not for Unity it isn't. It's fairly straightforward actually. Only thing is there is next to 0 documentation and even the docs they have on GitHub are meh. Overall though with some help from Reddit, Steam Dev. Forums, and just screwing around you'll get the hang of it.

Matt Jens Jensen

Or when I walk out of my play area to my desk and it loses tracking it starts to float away and it makes me nearly throw up

I don't use Unity or Unreal

I'm working directly with OpenVR's API

Sie

Welp.

Best of luck then lol.

Matt Jens Jensen

I fixed their samples though

Sie

15:18

Does Source itself even support it?

Matt Jens Jensen

Not yet

Sie

Wow that is funny.

Matt Jens Jensen

Well yes

but not fully

Sie

Honestly Source Engine is sort of a joke nowadays.

Matt Jens Jensen

Did you see that Portal 3 teaser in the Lab?

Sie

15:19

I think it hit it's prime when Portal 2 released and even then you could tell it was being pushed.

Matt Jens Jensen

Have you seen Valve's publications?

Sie

@MattJensJensen I may have. Not sure. Unless it's from Valve I usually don't pay much attention to it though.

@MattJensJensen About Portal 3?

Matt Jens Jensen

No no, about their rendering overhaul

Sie

I think I did read some here and there.

Matt Jens Jensen

They were previously hitting some CPU bottlenecks

Sie

15:22

Source Engine just hasn't held up from what I can tell. It's clunky and it looks like an engine you'd find from the early 2000's. I get this feeling that Valve forces them to use it over Unity or Unreal or at least strongly guns for it.

Matt Jens Jensen

Optimizing physics engine and renderer

Yeah, but the last source engine game was in 2013, have you played the latest source engine game from 2016?

Sie

Dota 2. I'm not really into it but while it looked cool it was nothing mind blowing.

Matt Jens Jensen

The Lab is free, it's the latest game with the latest source engine and it's really great

NaCl

It's so weird. std::sort is the only algorithm, that doesn't work. Any other algorithm works, std::stable_sort and std::partial_sort included. WHAT IS GOING ON

Matt Jens Jensen

What do you mean it doesn't work?

Sie

15:26

@MattJensJensen Oh that. Valve's little VR demo.

Matt Jens Jensen

@Sie yeah, but it shows potential

Sie

Well what I was getting at is that I don't see why Valve doesn't update it or modernize it. I guess they like it enough but for a developer who is looking to use a new engine or swap who would want to?

Matt Jens Jensen

And to be fair, Source is 19 years old

Sie

Unreal Engine is 18 and it's kept with the times mostly.

Matt Jens Jensen

That's true, but Unreal has had a lot more money and developers thrown at it

Almo

15:29

because it was actually a good engine

NaCl

@MattJensJensen segfault. Basically, it accesses memory before vec.begin(), although operator< works fine, as std::partial_sort shows. Well, it's just int0 < int1, lol

Matt Jens Jensen

@Almo I'll prep the burn ward

Almo

(I don't really know anything about Source, I was just kidding around)

Sie

@MattJensJensen That excuse no longer holds water. Valve is worth around ~$2 billion.

Matt Jens Jensen

@NaCl what are you sorting?

NaCl

15:30

custom container filled with random integers

Matt Jens Jensen

@Sie very little of that money is for their own games

@NaCl are you sure you're implementing everything a Container and its Iterator need?

NaCl

@MattJensJensen Yes.

Sie

They have more than enough resources to dedicate to making new games or improving the engine if they wanted to. Right now all their focus is on VR though and SteamOS to a lesser extent.

Matt Jens Jensen

@NaCl what's your predicate?

Skyl3r

@Almo, the Help Center clearly allows questions such as my own. If you look at the "Subjective Question" section, I believe that my question fits all the requirements just fine.

NaCl

15:34

@MattJensJensen int0 < int1

Matt Jens Jensen

@NaCL is it just a lambda?

NaCl

yes

Matt Jens Jensen

Damn, there was something about this I ran into earlier this month, I'll probably find it sometime this week rumaging through my code if you still haven't figured out why std::sort is segfaulting

Almo

@Skyl3r It doesn't.

Skyl3r

@Almo can you clearly point out which rule it violates so I can fix it?

Jon

15:38

my mouse has the ability to change the response time from 1ms, to 2ms, 4ms, or 8ms

NaCl

@MattJensJensen Normally, it segfaults if you have a non-strict operator<, but mine is fine, so yeah...

Jon

Why would anyone want to raise the response time?

Matt Jens Jensen

@Skyl3r It's primarily a matter of personal style and opinion and nothing else

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Skyl3r You'll have sides that tell you that you should do it cleanly but take longers, while others will tell you just to rush it, release it, and make money.

Skyl3r

@MattJensJensen, I'm gonna have to say that I simply don't believe that's the case.

Almo

15:39

@Skyl3r "insist that opinion be backed up with facts and references." It's not something that lends itself to fact-based discussion.

Skyl3r

@Almo how so? I think it definitely does.

Matt Jens Jensen

@Skyl3r If you care deeply about having flawless code, then by all means grind away at it for five years to perfect everything you can. Or, get it working and relatively bug free and ship it.

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Skyl3r

@MattJensJensen That would be a bad answer.

Matt Jens Jensen

@NaCl It's an odd case

@Skyl3r It's a short answer to a very open question.

@Skyl3r It's just as valid as any other answer you'll get, hence why it's primarily opinion based.

Skyl3r

@MattJensJensen, Your answer isn't supported in any way.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

15:43

@Skyl3r Why do you ask if your mind is already made?

Matt Jens Jensen

@Skyl3r I personally think you should focus on code quality so that you don't have to pay technical debt later, but if you wait too long and run out of money you're in trouble. It really depends on your situation, how much runway you have and how well you can work under pressure

William Mariager

@Jon Old systems?

Skyl3r

@AlexandreVaillancourt, My mind isn't made, that's why I'm asking?

William Mariager

I have the same on my keyboard. Supposedly because of old system.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Then why "That would be a bad answer."?

Skyl3r

15:44

@AlexandreVaillancourt, it was essentially "Do whatever your heart tells you"

Matt Jens Jensen

That's the nature of opinion based questions.

Really, do whatever your heart tells you to that your reality will allow.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Skyl3r Bad questions generate bad answers. this is why this type of question is off topic.

Matt Jens Jensen

You'll never make it if you can't learn to live with a little risk and trust your instincts. You might fail, that's part of the process.

Say you spend a year on it and get nothing monetary in return, you gain the experience to make those decisions.

You really just have to put in the time in your craft and learn from your failures. No one can decide what's best for your game or business besides you.

Jon

I saw some guy dive head first into water once

He was fine

Matt Jens Jensen

@Jon I saw some guy dive head first into a cactus in straya once

He survived

Skyl3r

15:50

There's no way to determine that
spending a year to have a great codebase but a large amount of debt is objectively better or worse than spending 6 months to release fast with less debt for a startup?

Sie

A broken clock is right twice a day.

Anyway. Now I have to work on failure states. This will be boring.

user92578

@Skyl3r It seems to me that you already have an answer to your question in mind, which you believe to be objectively correct.

Matt Jens Jensen

@Skyl3r You can be like a Silicon Valley starup and ship fast and fail fast and learn from it, but most people will just have a bad taste in their mouth from an unpolished game that cost money

Jon

What are we even debating here?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Skyl3r 'There's no way to determine that'...

Skyl3r

15:51

I don't but I believe there is an objectively best answer

Matt Jens Jensen

Video Games are not the same as social media startups

Skyl3r

I was hoping someone with experience on the matter could answer

Almo

@AlexandreVaillancourt is your lunch hour ata fixed time, or can you move it around?

Matt Jens Jensen

Everyone here has experience on this matter

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Almo Free as a bird :) Except, I'll have to leave or home at 15h30!

Almo

15:53

@Sie if you take the integral of how far off a clock is over a couple years, is a stopped clock or a slow clock more accurate? I suspect they're the same.

stopped is right more often, but the slow one is close for a long time.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Skyl3r Evorlor seemed to have something to say about it, you should invite him to chat :)

Jon

almo what does your logo represent anyways?

Almo

@AlexandreVaillancourt ok, I'll be available some time in the next hour, I think. will beep you

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Almo All right!

Almo

the logo shows Easy (one block) medium (two blocks) hard (three blocks) but hard is REALLY hard, so the red popping up is you losing your head as you freak out

a little clearer when you look at the flash anim of the logo

Leggy7

15:55

@Skyl3r is your question the one on the dev speed or abstraction?

Almo

maniac-games.com/Archive/Assets/AnimatedLogoV2StartDelay.swf

Jon

i thought of another game I want to prototype

Skyl3r

@Leggy7 yes

Jon

Ah, I see

Leggy7

@Skyl3r I apologyze cuz I messed the in between conversation but I agree in putting effort in building a prototype as soon as possible

Sie

15:56

@Jon It's clearly a photo of himself.

Skyl3r

@Leggy7 why build a prototype as fast as possible?

Leggy7

I am not experienced how you could intend it but

user92578

Hey C++ers, if a constructor throws, do I need to delete it in my catch block?

Leggy7

I tryed different approaches in game dev before focusing in the last 3 months on a project which passed the prototypable step

Sie

I wouldn't say rush your prototype but I am getting mine ready as I want feedback and want to find ways to further refine my game.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

15:59

@Tyyppi_77 I don't think so

Matt Jens Jensen

@Tyyppi_77 it cleans up memory ( isocpp.org/wiki/faq/exceptions#ctors-can-throw )

Almo

Prototype to determine if it will be worth pursuing the project.

Leggy7

@Skyl3r having a prototype working answers different issues:
-try out your determination (the most important)
-see if your idea is realizable
-see if you like to play it
-(optiona) see if others like it the same way

user92578

Now what if I call delete on the memory, that's actually easier for me to do

Matt Jens Jensen

UB

user92578

16:00

Fuck.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Tyyppi_77 Hmm, what do you mean?

Matt Jens Jensen

Throw in the constructor

And don't try to delete its pointer if it throws

user92578

Hold on, I'll post some example code

Matt Jens Jensen

@Tyyppi_77 this is covered in the ISO C++ FAQ: isocpp.org/wiki/faq/exceptions#selfcleaning-members

Almo

I made Cognizer partially because almost everyone who played the proto loved it

I got like 95% people saying "wow that's really fun"

user92578

16:02

Actually I can probably just refactor this code a little to avoid problems

Jon

and I made hump the stump because everyone hated it

Skyl3r

@Leggy7 thanks for the advise. That's more or less the gameplan at the moment. I've been hanging around an abstraction junkie a bit too long though and he's got me questioning whether I should be working on refining our codebase or working on getting a product out

Leggy7

@Almo how much time did it tkae to dev after the prototype?

Jon

1 day

Almo

6 months of an average of 6 hours each weekend

Sie

16:03

@Almo I'm kind of scared people won't like concept as much as I do. I really think that the more creative levels like the one where you need to build a raft and such will win people over.

Jon

it took you 6 months to prototype it?

Matt Jens Jensen

@Sie Design for yourself at first before you get the confidence to design for a larger audience

Leggy7

@Skyl3r with abstraction junkies you mean all the stuff that make the game? a global and complete overview?

Skyl3r

lol Abstraction junkie is how I was referring to a friend who is in love with abstraction

By abstraction, I mean... abstracting concepts to be as simple as possible. Creating building blocks to construct the game.

Matt Jens Jensen

Do any C++ers here notice any benefit from likely and unlikely?

Sie

16:07

That's what I've been doing. The concept is there and it's fun. The real challenge is refinement. Even as we speak I'm working on vertex snapping because it needs to feel just right to the player.

The quickest way to make someone hate your puzzle game (or really any game) is if the player feels cheated by mechanics or buggy-ness.

Skyl3r

I worked hard on a RTS for mobile devices for like a year, then I realized no one wanted to play it except for me ._.

Leggy7

quote @Sie

I'm not vertex snapping anything but working on my stuff too :)

Matt Jens Jensen

#define likely(x) __builtin_expect(!!(x), 1)
#define unlikely(x) __builtin_expect(!!(x), 0)

Seem to have a minor performance improvement

Sie

Trying to get vertex snapping similar to this: youtu.be/Q_PNtqniM_E?t=64

Matt Jens Jensen

@Sie is that for your editor or for your gameplay itself?

Sie

16:12

Shouldn't be too hard (knock on wood). Just an invisible sphere collider, and if a collision is detect move the vertex there.

@MattJensJensen This is for gameplay. It's to make the players life a bit easier and make manipulation faster.

Matt Jens Jensen

oooh, is it a building game in anyway?

Sie

Here's the elevator pitch...

> The Vertex Whisperer is a game where you are given a limited amount of shapes, and are able to manipulate them primarily by grabbing, and pulling their vertices. Let's say you want to cross that giant hole without falling to your gruesome death than you'd simply take a cube, grab it's vertex, and pull it out to form a bridge. Easy enough, right?

Matt Jens Jensen

That sounds really fun, 2D or 3D?

Sie

3D. I don't think the concept would work nearly as well in a 2D setting anyway.

sn0k3

Hello

Leggy7

16:17

hell0

Matt Jens Jensen

hei!

Sie

sup

sn0k3

What's up, guys?

Matt Jens Jensen

I think my neighbor is getting into a fistfight with the garbage man for backing into his fence

Leggy7

same shit, different code

Matt Jens Jensen

16:19

This is such a beautiful morning

sn0k3

It's a morning to you?

:O

Here it is 19:15

Sie

@MattJensJensen Lol. My mom got sick of people backing into her fence. She built a wall out of concrete. It's quite something.

sn0k3

ehm, 3 days ago who wanted to make a game for PS2? :D

Matt Jens Jensen

@Sie my neighbor had the neighborhood association put up signs for his driveway saying "no tresspassing (or whatever the original language means)"

Sie

The garbage man sounds like an idiot. Ours just comes down and backs up then turns onto the mainroad.

Leggy7

16:21

is there anyone building games for ps2?

sn0k3

That's what I asked? :D

These days someone wanted or asked something about that

Matt Jens Jensen

You came a few years too late for that question haha

sn0k3

I think it was for a portal clone

Sie

@Leggy7 I was thinking about trying to remake Portal on it at one point.

Anyway gotta got to class.

sn0k3

Oh, it was you @Sie ! :D

Matt Jens Jensen

16:22

See ya mate!

sn0k3

Bye

What games do you play these days guys?

Leggy7

hearthstone :)

Matt Jens Jensen

Arma 3

sn0k3

Really?

Do you buy cards there?

Leggy7

just with points I earn from dailis

sn0k3

16:24

aha

Any mozilla firefox users here?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

I'm playing the game of life... hahahah :P

Leggy7

I saved gold for 4 months as the new expansion was announced

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Wife's pregnant so gotta do forever-todos...

Matt Jens Jensen

I'm playing the "I hope I can pay my next months bills" game a lot lately

sn0k3

And you began buying all of the cards there, didn't you? :D

Leggy7

16:25

how do you know?

sn0k3

Any ideas why mozilla deletes browser history whenver she wants?

Leggy7

is mozilla a female?

sn0k3

There is a fox there :D

Leggy7

that could answer your question

sn0k3

I'm not sure :D

:D :D :D :D :D

Does some1 had something like that, but for an example with Chrome?

Matt Jens Jensen

16:28

I think I just broke a mbp

sn0k3

what?

William Mariager

@sn0k3 Yessir

sn0k3

How did you fixed it?

Reinstalling?

Matt Jens Jensen

Almo

@AlexandreVaillancourt hey man

is now ok?

Matt Jens Jensen

16:29

I keep tearing cables inside this thing

Almo

gotta be somewhere that's fast, like La Traite or A&W

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Almo I've been only once to La traite; was for breakfast, let's meet on that corner!

Almo

ok be there in about 5 min

Alexandre Vaillancourt

I'll be there in like 6 minutes

Almo

ahha ok :)

Alexandre Vaillancourt

16:31

see you there!

Jon

17:06

Poop

Skyl3r

17:26

I should have figured they worked together

Sie

I actually did end up finding an ancient version of RenderWare on some shoddy Russian website. It actually worked but I couldn't find any documentation.

RenderWare

RenderWare is a game engine developed by the British game developer Criterion Software. == Overview == RenderWare is a 3D API and graphics rendering engine used in video games, Active Worlds, and some VRML browsers. RW was developed by Criterion Software Limited (which used to be a wholly owned subsidiary of Canon but is now owned by Electronic Arts). It originated in the era of software rendering on PCs prior to the appearance of GPUs, competing with other libraries such as Argonaut's BRender and RenderMorphics' Reality Lab (the latter was acquired by Microsoft and became Direct3D). RenderWare...

Skyl3r

I should just go back to Poker.

Is anyone here familiar with Ladder Logic?

Jon

Futuridium EP Deluxe PS4. Gameplay (HD)

►

holy crap

12$ on steam

i thought it was like skyroads

but dude is flying

Skyl3r

"I'll impress them by learning ladder logic"
"Here Skyl3r, program 80 rungs of ladder logic by tuesday, good luck!"

Sie

Do you guys think it'd be worth porting your games to Xbox 360 or PS3? I mean next gen is here but most people by now have one or the other or both.

Leggy7

17:38

think so

Almo

@Jon yeah looks interesting. I skipped it because it looks like a memorization game, but if that doesn't bug you definitely check it out

Leggy7

if the gme fits console needs

MickLH

@Sie As homebrew or commercially?

Sie

Commercially. This is assuming you already got the go ahead from Sony and/or MS.

Almo

I wouldn't do a game for PS3/Xbox 360 unless it was so mass market the few % of people who would buy those versions would pay for the dev cost

MickLH

17:40

Well. Do it as homebrew for the experience, but commercially you should deeply consider if it's worth it.

You'll incur a massive development cost if you want the game to actually be comparable to the other cutting edge console games it will sit next to. These developers take a lot of shit from the community but in reality they work really hard and regularly pull rabbits out of the hat and people take it for granted.

Leggy7

what is to be considered in doing porting to console beside the input controller?

MickLH

Standardized video requirements that are very close to the hardware's capability (so no room for shitty code) and deep knowledge of highly platform specific performance details is required to even get a barely acceptable result

Jon

that is insane

Almo

like if you're porting to PS3, you get to find something to parallelize on the CELL processor.

MickLH

It's pretty common for the "big companies" like nVidia or AMD to come collaborate with game developers trying to get cutting edge stuff working and working fast

Leggy7

17:45

wow, sounds like anal

Jon

I like it when things work

DH.

Not to mention there's a whole bureaucracy to get your hands to the SDK right?

Jon

SDK for playstation

apparently is hard to get

you need to wine and dine some japanese

go golfing

and then they get back to you in 2 weeks

DH.

yeah the game studio my friend works the CEO needed to go himself to USA and ask for it

MickLH

lol they get back to you in 2 weeks... to tell you if you can pay them 5 figures to go on to have the next conversation... where they decide if they want your game

Guys I need help solving a gameplay requirement...

DH.

17:50

And what it is?

MickLH

I need to add some game mechanic that isolates the player from all other players

It's ok if they interact with NPC during that time

But they should still feel like they are in multiplayer

Sie

@MickLH Maybe like a fog of war but it only filters out players?

DH.

In a MMO enviroment? Like, MMORPGs?

MickLH

Yes

Jon

The Pit of Despair

Leggy7

17:52

some daily quests?

MickLH

One idea I had is somehow getting the player to go so deep into the forest that they can't find another player anywhere

But I need a way to force it on them almost instantly

It's hard to explain teleporting like that

DH.

Hum... World of Warcraft had something like that

There's a city you command that isn't a shared place

Getting there ofc is a multiplayer environment, but as soon as you enter the city you are singleplayer

You still can chat to other players, but you won't see other players while in this city

MickLH

That's basically what I'm thinking of, I just need a way to explain that the player can instantly get there any time, and also need to explain that if you try to use that to escape danger you just die

But it's seeming like maybe the core concept just plainly can't make sense

DH.

You could say that maybe it's linked to the player's soul, so allowing someone to chase in there would give the one with power over you, and that would kill you

Something like that

Leggy7

scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/…

NaCl

18:05

BTW guys

what do you think of slither.io?

Almo

not plaid yet

MickLH

yeah, not corduroy either

Alexandre Vaillancourt

DUDE

Almo

:D

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Does an eccography mean that you need to draw a dolphin?

Almo

18:16

there's a google doc with the bugs to fix for today... so tempted to select all -> helvetica because arial sucks

MickLH

comic sans*

Alexandre Vaillancourt

^^

@Almo Do it; 95% of the dev will not notice and 4% will notice and not care :P

MickLH

But that one percent... they will show up at your home in the middle of the night and clean off all your house numbers with solvent, and re-paint them on in a different font

Alexandre Vaillancourt

They'll but everything Arial :P

MickLH

I wonder how illegal that actually is...

Almo

18:24

I'm not sure what will happen on Win puters, as they don't tend to have helvetica installed

MickLH

Probably they will windows really hard and windows users will feel comfortable not having to deal with the annoyance of having anything working properly

Sie

So I want to let the player restart different levels (except it's 5 levels per scene). I have each level grouped up in an empty game object. I guess when they want to restart I could just revert the prefab, right? Or is there a better way of doing that?

DH.

18:44

Applying the prefab over the current one sounds a good idea

Sie

I'm thinking that's the best way to do it. Having a new scene for each level seems rather silly (which how I used to do it on my old game).

sn0k3

@Sie have you played with PS2 devkit?

or PSP devkit?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Almo I see "Helvetica Neue" as being available!

Sie

@sn0k3 Not really. I did mess around with RenderWare a little bit but never anything serious.

sn0k3

I'm not sure what is renderware.. :D

Sie

18:47

RenderWare

RenderWare is a game engine developed by the British game developer Criterion Software. == Overview == RenderWare is a 3D API and graphics rendering engine used in video games, Active Worlds, and some VRML browsers. RW was developed by Criterion Software Limited (which used to be a wholly owned subsidiary of Canon but is now owned by Electronic Arts). It originated in the era of software rendering on PCs prior to the appearance of GPUs, competing with other libraries such as Argonaut's BRender and RenderMorphics' Reality Lab (the latter was acquired by Microsoft and became Direct3D). RenderWare...

user4704

An old engine.

sn0k3

Can it export for consoles?

user4704

It doesn't "export" anything.

sn0k3

Yes, I saw now.
Operating system, which it exports to: Microsoft Windows, Mac OS, Nintendo GameCube, Wii, Xbox, Xbox 360, PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3, PlayStation Portable

user4704

That notion is bit of a modern game engine fad.

user4704

18:49

Older Bethesda RPGs used RenderWare extensively though.

user4704

Including their cancelled Oblivion PSP port.

Sie

It's an old ancient engine. If you're thinking of try to use it good luck finding a legal copy of it.

@JoshPetrie ELI5?

sn0k3

Why?

user4704

@Sie Modern game engines have "export" button that, for example, package up stuff for HTML5 distribution, for iOS distribution, et cetera.

user4704

Engines in the era of RenderWare didn't do that. They were far more manual about that kind of distribution process.

Sie

18:50

@sn0k3 For one the website is down, and two EA owns it now and the chances of them letting you use it are very slim.

user4704

The notion of "exporting for a platform" is really something that came about with the increased commoditization of cross-platform game engines.

Sie

@JoshPetrie Is that so bad?

user4704

No.

user4704

(I didn't say it was.)

Ali.S

t.co/YOtpD8Oeoi

try clicking on Dr.Who's kiosk

sn0k3

18:52

@JoshPetrie do you work in the game industry?

Almo

@AlexandreVaillancourt close enough!

Sie

@Jon Ah. How do you feel about drag and drop engines? Not like Unity but more like Clickteam Fusion, Construct, GameSalad, and the likes.

Almo

@sn0k3 Josh Petrie used to work on Halo and doesn't afraid of anything.

user4704

@sn0k3 Yes.

Almo

seriously, though he's one of the industry veterans that hangs around here. Lots of interesting experience.

sn0k3

18:54

@Almo really? :D

Hm

Almo

he was at 343 for a while

sn0k3

Yea, I saw that he knows these things or it looks that he knows these things

Almo

he definitely knows :)

Sie

He kind of looks like one of the Beatles.

Almo

heh

sn0k3

18:55

Yea, partly :D

@JoshPetrie do you work on your hobby project? If yes, then what project it is? If it is a game what do you use for it? OpenGL? DirectX? Vulkan?

user4704

I use OpenGL mostly, sometimes D3D. Vulkan is not that interesting to me.

user4704

I don't really make games in my spare time.

sn0k3

What's the difference betwen Direct3D and DirectX?

Is that the graphical part of DirectX?

PearsonArtPhoto

One is 3D, the other is X?

/end bad joke.

user4704

Direct3D is an API to do 3D graphics.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

18:59

I guess that when you can chose the job you want, you don't need a personal game project ;)

user4704

"DirectX" is a brand name that encompasses all the "Direct*" APIs and related multimedia APIs.

user4704

Most of which are deprecated now.

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