Game Development

Jon

00:29

Whoa

Is that a shoe thread?

NaCl

00:44

Krita is awesome

TheMuffinCoder

@NaCl Photoshop is awesome :P

NaCl

Photoshop is not free as in freedom

TheMuffinCoder

ik but it's pretty worth it when it comes with the CC bundle :D

if you're a student, you get ALL the adobe software for 30$ a month :)

tho Krita is much better than Gimp shudders

NaCl

free as in freedom, not free as in free beer

I don't mind paying for software

TheMuffinCoder

oh derp lol in that case I gotta look at Krita

NaCl

00:53

If you got Photoshop, it'll probably be much better

Photoshop is superior, no doubt here

NaCl

01:06

But its way easier to do something with than with gimp

I really dislike gimp's interface

Sie

This SphereCast is behaving very weirdly. It only seems to work when I'm at a certain distance but from it but not within it.

See: gfycat.com/PleasingAggravatingFox / Code: pastebin.com/RCA05PeR

Icy Defiance

photoshop's interface pissed me off while gimp's just made sense right away... but gimp doesn't have many features. if you want to do anything fancy like digital painting, gimp just can't do it.

Sie

Anyone have any ideas?

@IcyDefiance I'm the opposite. I guess it depends which you learned first. I started off with Photoshop and then Gimp. Gimp's seemed backwards to me.

I know it's not quite as feature rich but I actually really like Paint.NET nowadays and so far it fits my [basic] needs.

Icy Defiance

I would agree, but I didn't really "learn" gimp. I just looked at the tools that were there and started using them. to even see all the tools in photoshop you first have to learn that the toolbar buttons are actually menus, not just buttons. and that isn't obvious. I had to use google just to find the damn fill tool.

the entire photoshop experience is like that. no part of the interface works how you would expect. once you know it then sure, it's usable, but you'll be using google a lot or taking a college course on it before you can use it effectively.

Jon

as someone who started with photoshop... gimp sucks

Sie

01:15

Ya. I like GIMP and now that I'm getting into game development (and before then) I've stopped pirating tools. So I've been trying to get better acquainted to free tools.

Almo

GIMP ARGH

NaCl

gimp is very powerful if you know the drill

especially with it's scripting-thing

Almo

gimp has a horrible interface

NaCl

yeah

Icy Defiance

lol well all I can say is I didn't have to use google to find gimp's fill tool :P

Sie

01:22

I didn't have to use Google to find MS Paint's fill tool either.

NaCl

Doesn't make both interfaces less horrible

Sie

Here is an old abandoned (and what I assume was burnt down at some point) house that I snapped some pictures of. Pretty cool but the photos are a bit muddy since my camera is shite.

imgur.com/a/OFEr7

Ok very muddy. It almost looks like these are water paintings... :/

NaCl

02:25

Inkscape to the rescue!

Sie

Meh.

Anyone know how to draw a spherecast in the editor? Trying to debug this damned thing.

Never mind found it.

NaCl

I'm curious how that looks like

Mind uploading a gif?

Sie

Ya just a minute.

@NaCl As it turns out not terribly interesting but here you go: gfycat.com/FamiliarDearIndianelephant. Note the rigid body constraints.

NaCl

Nice, thank you!

Sie

02:47

No problem.

Sie

03:14

Ugh... Well as much as I want to keep on working on levels. I suppose I should start making a main menu, pause menu, and make sure compatibility between VR and traditional setups is still at peace. Bleh I hate this part. Oh well.

Leggy7

08:01

morning :)

tkausl

good morning everyone

ntohl

jó reggelt!

Leggy7

08:17

glad that OnApplicationQuit seems to get called before OnDestroy

Leggy7

09:12

@jon why does steam say that picross was accepted by the community and I cannot find it on the store?

tkausl

09:32

multithreading with minimal performance loss in the main loop is hard

Kevin van der Velden

@Leggy7 because there's things in between greenlight finishing and getting in the store

Probably lots of paperwork for one thing

And greenlight is also for uncompleted projects

Ali.S

09:53

@Leggy7 also just becuase something it greenlit doesn't mean it get's into the store. greenlit merely means if the developer wants, he has access to store

your game might be greenlit but you consider it unfinished, and don't put it

Leggy7

oh so maybe it it has been greenlit recently?

Ali.S

well according to starboard, it was greenlit about last week

Kevin van der Velden

Which is not a long time

Ali.S

If I'm not wrong it took @ChrisMcFarland 4-5 months before he added steam api to tallowmere and published the game.

again if I'm not wrong you don't have access to steam api before you get greenlit

Kevin van der Velden

I think there's a steam API you can download but I don't know how far that'll get you with out a developer key

DH.

10:41

There's a lot of Steam API implementations, but you need the product key anyway, so you need to either get greenlit or be an already known studio :P

genaray

Hey guys ! What do you think about my game ? I would be very happy for a little feedback ^^ youtu.be/71GGLWBSTPw

Leggy7

11:02

hey, looks like you got some basis to build a nice dungeon crawler @genaray

genaray

Thanks man ^^ Do have some ideas what i need to change/ improve ? :)

Leggy7

are you using a game engine to develop this game?

tkausl

@genaray your health-bar is clipped by the walls, the bars of enemies are not

genaray

No, its totally made in java using libgdx. You also can play it in lan with some friends :) Maybe im putting the source code later on github. Thanks tkausl :D Didnt noticed that ^^ Will fix that soon :)

Leggy7

well, think of the basis of a dungeon crawler. what does make a dungeon crawler good to play?

different enemy types, items, inventory, rewards

you are just spoiled for choice :)

and obviously an appealing graphic art, whether it is pixelated or not

genaray

11:14

You are right, i really need to add some more enemys and items. Inventory will come later ^^ Thought also about steam works achivements and stuff like that. The problem is i havent got an art artist >.< until now i made everything myself :) Thats also my first game i develop :) Thanks for your help :D

Leggy7

that's fine

important is to endure while you have to show your non-artistic graphic :) I know something about that

luckily I now have my wife doing the dirty job :)

5

DH.

That sounded so wrong lol

Leggy7

rofl

tkausl

LOL

whats the dirty job?

Leggy7

graphics, obv :)

tkausl

11:36

yeah. obv.

hey girlfriend? Wanna do some dirty things?

Wait, I'll open photoshop for you

Jon

11:49

ask her if she wants to do the dirty job for me too

hate doing it myself

How do people make videos of themselves talking to a camera, and upload it without any shame?

Kevin van der Velden

Copious amounts of alcohol?

tkausl

I'm not even sure how people upload their voice without any shame

Jon

no, people do it non stop every day sober

vid.me/5WoZ

Like this for example... she is having a great time talking to herself.

Leggy7

that's a weird world, @jon

but not too much if you think that the nowadays keyword is shop (when it isn't masked as share). everything is a commodity exchange, you too

Sie

12:55

C++ feels so much clunkier compared to C#.

William Mariager

Not surprising since it is :P

Sie

Why do people still use it so often? Everything just feels so backwards but then again I learned C# first. I mean I've heard it is somewhat more robust and gives more control at times.

William Mariager

You have a much finer grain of control with C++.

For 99% of projects, it doesn't really matter though.

It's usually just a matter of preference.

And of course, C++ compiles to many platforms, where C# is more limited.

C++ is also possibly more light weight than C#.

Sie

I may be wrong but isn't Unity's core C++ but it just has a C#/Javascript top layer?

William Mariager

No clue. Unity is a mess, that's about all I know. :P

Sie

12:59

It's not that bad but like any engine it has it's quirks to work around.

William Mariager

No really, it's a mess. :P

Jon

its not a mess you dolt

William Mariager

It's not? :D

Carefully structured chaos then?

Jon

being closed source, it is not really possible to tell

William Mariager

It's not possible to tell that Unity is a mess without the source?

How about the messed up naming conventions and the lack of any decent documentation?

Sie

13:02

I don't feel as though it's a mess. The documentation is there but ya some of the docs really could use some love.

Jon

the documentation is left to the community to figure out collectively

lol

Jon

13:24

Man, so I missed literally every single secret in doom up to now

i kinda wanna restart the whole game now

DH.

lol

tkausl

float float_normalized_from_u32( u32 value )
{
u32 exponent = 127;
u32 mantissa = value >> 9;
u32 result = ( exponent << 23 ) | mantissa;
float fresult = *(float*)( &result );
return fresult - 1.0f;
}

What kind of black magic is this

Sie

tkausl

does this solve the problems which modulo has?

for random numbers

Ali.S

@tkausl just what is u32?

tkausl

13:35

32 bit unsigned int

Ali.S

actually it's pretty much simple code...

tkausl

uint32/uint32_t

Ali.S

if you know how floats work

tkausl

i kinda know the basics

Almo

tkausl when you post code hit the "fixed font" button

will keep your formatting

Ali.S

13:38

well... there is one thing that I don't understand, and that's why exponent is 127 and not 23

ok... it's not converting directly to float... but normalizing it on the way... what does normalize mean in the context?

Almo

was that little fuck supposed to look like yoda?

tkausl

I got this from github.com/mattiasgustavsson/libs/blob/master/random.hpp

Sie

@Almo Not sure. My friend linked it to be a while back and I thought it was funny. I use it on the rare occasion.

Almo

He's Dungeon Master from the mid 80s D&D cartoon.

"You will know him by his white hair"

later, they talkin to the bad guy with black hair thinkin "this guy is safe" but he had a white rabbit. They almost got their asses kicked by the guy with a "white hare".

tkausl

uh yeah

normalized means between 0.0 and 1.0

this function takes a 32bit unsigned int and converts it to a float where 0 is 0.0 and MAX_UINT is 1.0

Ali.S

13:50

@tkausl ok then... I guess the exponent =127 means actually the number is (1 + mantissa) * 2^0

the u32 should lose 9 bits, because float has only 23 positions for mantissa

and finally it's reducing 1 because the number built in the first 3 lines, is actually somewhere between 1-2

remember float is represented as : (1 + mantissa) * 2^(exponent)

tkausl

well

Ali.S

the only part that actually puzzled me was exponent = 127. I guess it was because I assumed exponent should be written is two's-complement value, which is not the case

tkausl

(1 + 8,388,607) * (2 ^ 0)

doesn't make sense to me

Ali.S

exponent is written in a way that exp = 0 is basically 2^-127 and exp = 255 means 2 ^ 127

@tkausl it's not like that...

remember the u32 value already has some bits

either being 0 or 1?

tkausl

yes

but the highest uint should become 1.0f

Ali.S

13:57

the float representation that the guy basically equals to (1 + (u32 / 512))

tkausl

so if i take 4,294,967,295

Ali.S

don't ask me why... that's how the float works

tkausl

and right shift it by 9 bits

i get 8,388,607

Ali.S

@tkausl the highest value is not 1... it's missing exactly 2^-23 from 1

Sie

fml

Yesterday a transformer blew and it fucked our AC up. 85 degrees & 71% humidity and no repairs till Monday as the guy needs a part.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

14:01

Questions like these piss me off

You can ask questions like this one. However we expect you to do your homework. You want details from us? Cool, we can give you details! Giving good details is hard work. We expect you to do hard work first. What do you understand of these concepts and why do they confuse you? What did Google tell you that you don't understand? If it's about the usage of the concepts in a library, give links to the specific documentation of the library. — Alexandre Vaillancourt 1 min ago

-3

Q: What is the difference between the "Terminalvelocity" and "Acceleration"

I'm developing a game in libgdx. But I'm confused with the difference between the TerminalVelocity and the Acceleration. Can anyone explain it?

Sie

What do you guys usually use to get [free] play testers to help out? I know of WIP Wednesday over on /r/GameDev and /r/playmygame.

Almo

I tell people here about the game and they usually want to play it

Sie

@AlexandreVaillancourt Ya looks like a home work question and smells like one too.

Almo

that's good for about 5-8 people trying your game

Sie

Ya. I need to learn how to build in HTML5 and host that.

Almo

14:04

you can also send people an APK

or get them on TestFlight

Leggy7

@AlexandreVaillancourt best punishment is to totally ignore. So if they have a problem and put no effert in research, they keep the problem up for the time the get no response

Sie

At one point some crappy little flash site stole my "game". The "game" they stole was basically a tiny clone of "The Ball" but with some extra features.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Leggy7 Yeah; unfortunately, some users will answer. Easy rep!

Almo

@Sie yeah bastards

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Sie Could be!

Sie

14:06

IIRC doesn't the rep go away if the question gets deleted?

Almo

I have a sitelock on the Cognizer web game, though I'm sure there's a way to get around it

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Sie Yes, but in this case the question will not be deleted. It has answers, it will just get closed.

if it gets closed.

Sie

Ironically they actually offered to pay me a bit of money (or they implied). They steal my little game and then want to pay me? I basically told them to fuck off.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

And I don't think there will be a motive to close it.

Sie

I put in a close vote myself. It has no business here.

@Almo How does that work? I mean I'd like to at least make their lives a bit harder.

Almo

14:08

hang on

gist.github.com/andyman/e58dea85cce23cccecff

I'm guessing they can dig into the code and change the site it looks for, but it's not just a simple copy job anymore

Also, Cognizer has a "Get The App" button on the front page, which links to iOS/Android.

so... even if someone steals it, they have to hack that part out of the game for it not to serve its intended purpose

since my money comes from the app, people stealing the web version isn't so big a deal

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Sie All right, if you feel it should be closed, that's all right :) Community power!

Sie

@Almo I've thought about obfuscation but it doesn't really feel like it'd be worth the effort.

Almo

it's not

someone who wants to steal your game will

if your audience is large enough, some people will pay, and that's how you survive

Sie

Ya.

tkausl

security through obscurity is never worth it

Almo

14:15

Cognizer's price is high because later games I make and put less effort into will be priced lower.

over time, a pricing scheme will become clear to people who follow my games

like when I make Clixxor again, it will be $1

or maybe even free/ad supported

Leggy7

how much is cognizer?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

A tip to help avoid a game from being stolen is to make it client-server

tkausl

please no

Sie

@AlexandreVaillancourt Like stream the game kind of?

Ya that sounds like a bad idea kind of. Reminds me of EA.

With their online verification crap with the (newer) Sim City games.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

More like you have the game logic run on the server, with the client only displaying it.

Almo

14:18

@Leggy7 $3 US

tkausl

And they still cracked it

Jon

I glitched doom

Sie

@Almo Easy there Mr. Warbucks McFatCat.

Almo

:D

Jon

I got stuck inside a wind turbine thing, then I was in between the walls

Alexandre Vaillancourt

14:19

Well yeah, but then you make efforts to change/update the content often to encourage users to play to your version instead of theirs.

Jon

Sie

What's that from? Looks like Crysis based on the HUD @Jon.

Jon

Doom

Sie

@AlexandreVaillancourt My biggest fear is people won't like the concept like I do. I guess play testing will help me get a better idea of that.

I mean clearly I enjoy it or why else would I be making it?

tkausl

I couldn't develop something I don't enjoy

Leggy7

14:22

@sie your audience is particular, I guess

tkausl

thats why I don't want to work for the game industry

Sie

@Leggy7 I guess puzzle gamers would be attracted to it or at least that's the goal. Basically if you enjoyed games like Portal, The Talos Princaple or maybe The Ball you'd probably like playing The Vertex Whisperer.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Sie Well if you want to make money from a game, you have to know in advance who's your target audience and how much are they ready to pay for it. If your game is very niche, you should consider it's a pet project and don't expect to make money out of it.

IMHO.

Sie

@AlexandreVaillancourt Well as I've said before and since day one I'm aiming for the puzzle market. I'm not aiming to make it rich or anything like that but I certainly hope people will like the game and enjoy it. Given the success of games like Portal 1/2, The Ball, The Talos Princaple, The Witness and countless other games I'd say the market is definitely there and I've done some minor sales projections.

I'm mainly focusing on making the best game possible right now though.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Oh, ok, well I'd prototype and have it play-tested :)

Sie

14:36

I hate Florida so much. It's so hot.

Why do people keep moving down to this soup aired crap hole?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

What about those moving UP from say, Haiti, Cuba, Mexico and the like?

Sie

Depending on the area I suppose it could be a relative improvement.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

:)

DH.

And how much is hot to you?

Sie

It's not so much the heat. It's the humidity that kills you down here.

The air feels like damned soup.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

14:43

Here, some retired people go to Florida during the winter but the come back here for the spring and summer...

DH.

It's the same thing in Brazil

Sie

If it were 85 degrees but 0-10% humidity I'd be happy.

DH.

The temperature can go up to 40ºC during the summer, but the "sensation"(IDK the correct term) can get more than 50ºC

Sie

Here we go...

ntohl

C# chat got froozen...

becase of some vulgar message

Sie

14:46

Drama Train: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/112519/c-sanctuary

Almo

@AlexandreVaillancourt hey man, you said you work nearby. any interest in meeting for lunch around noon?

afk for a bit will check back soon

TheMuffinCoder

I'm so salty rn

Be wise of school I missed my change to preorder the 1080

nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1080

Sie

Sheesh. StackOverflow is quite the shit show at the moment.

Am I going to be banned for saying a bad word? @Almo

tkausl

why is his name italic?

Sie

Because he is a room owner. He can kick, or temp ban people if I recall correctly.

TheMuffinCoder

14:59

@tkausl I think it's because he's a chat mod

Leggy7

@Sie what is your game? have you revealed any content atm?

tkausl

oh okay

Sie

@Leggy7 The Vertex Whisperer. It's a game where you manipulate an objects vertices in order to deform it to make different objects and to help you solve puzzles. I started development in Febuary and am happy with my progress thus far. Here is my blog where I typically post bi-weekly to once a month.

I will be posting a small demo for play testing here soon™ and on Reddit as well.

MickLH

You just destroyed your trademark claim on the word "soon"

> I will be posting a small demo for play testing here in a soon™ small time interval, and on Reddit as well.

fix'd

ntohl

C# room back

god save the queen

MickLH

15:07

What does the queen do for society? God save the scientists.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Almo Hehe not today, I'm at home today :) Next week?

Almo

haha sure man :)

@Sie uh fuck no

:)

MickLH

@TheMuffinCoder do ittttt

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@TheMuffinCoder w00t man! The muffin is back!!

MickLH

Wow I think SE is down

Alexandre Vaillancourt

15:18

yeah, GDSE site seems down

Leggy7

@Sie with "the talos prinacple" you mean "the talos principle"? I noticed you wrote everytime prinacple :) also in your blog

MickLH

@AlexandreVaillancourt Seems to be the whole SE, crypto is also down

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Yeah

I nearly don't need SE to live. I kind of got addicted...

Sie

@Leggy7 Whoops. Will fix that in a bit.

Leggy7

@Sie by the way it looks interesting. Wanna see some gamplay of puzzle solution via vertex mod

DH.

15:24

SE seems to be back, at least for me

MickLH

It's not really back, it's an illusion

Because you know, you can always rely on SE for pulling a fucking rabbit out of the hat when you have some computer problem

Almo

everything is an illusion if you want to get technical

Sie

Don't Hug Me I'm Scared 2 - TIME

►

MickLH

Except for the literal "everything", as in the concept not the reality, to be extremely technical

Sie

If you haven't seen that series you should. Very trippy and not what it appears to be at all.

MickLH

15:26

Or is it?

user92578

kill this with fire: gamedev.stackexchange.com/a/121720/35344

MickLH

Is an illusion still deceptive enough to be an illusion if precisely the illusory aspect is the expectation?

user92578

also, sup?

MickLH

ayyyyyy

@Tyyppi_77 I lost the code for GunHero :'(

user92578

weird that you've had some

MickLH

15:29

and it's super outdated anyways

@Tyyppi_77 Don't you remember just after I'd won your heart? On our honeymoon, before our relationship got abusive?

user92578

Yeah kinda now

Jon

oh my god did you know how long a bobbet worm is?

Catching a BOBBIT WORM 2

►

Almo

I'm afraid to ask since you're talking about it

user92578

^

MickLH

That's pretty high up there on the list of things that would make me never swim in the ocean again if I ever touched one

DH.

15:33

Just went to wikipedia and this guy is longer than 1 meter

MickLH

Like if it got on you, you would be sitting there tossing it away over and over like a spool of rope lol

DH.

How can this thing dig so deep to fit into?

MickLH

Someone make them evil in a horror theme where they swim up and tie around your arms and legs and drown you

Also make them smart so that when it seems like the protagonist beat it by knowing how to float, it hoops a passing dolphin and it drags him under

Then it leaves you with room for a bad sequel next year where the person wakes up in underwater dolphin atlantis meets saw

DH.

I would totally see a movie with giant antlions making giant holes eating humans

MickLH

Well obviously because you would play the game..

DH.

15:39

Nah thanks, I prefer to watch only

MickLH

Get out.

Headshots or go home.

(user was banned for this post)

Sie

@Leggy7 Currently working on some levels and hopefully have a little demo ready by the end of this month.

DH.

Didn't know you were a seer

Jon

you guys are weird.

William Mariager

Ditto

Jon

15:55

wannafightaboutit

if you shoot that red thing in its chest, he blows up

DH.

16:17

Fair enough

TheMuffinCoder

16:32

@AlexandreVaillancourt thx!!! I a!ways wanted a muffin to be my icon :D

@MickLH let's see if I can do it with what I have in plan today :P

Jon

16:47

:D

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@TheMuffinCoder That one is nice :)

William Mariager

16:59

@Jon "That red thing" or you know, a gas canister. :P

Jon

is that what it is?

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