Game Development

Jon

00:06

made a lego case for my pi

Sie

00:25

Isn't Opera based on Chrome or Chromium? It feels so fast and nice. I'm thinking about swapping to it as my main.

TheMuffinCoder

I thought Chrome and Opera were based on Webkit?

So was Safari I believe

Sie

I think so. I don't really know too much about browsers.

TheMuffinCoder

lol neither do I

Sie

I was just doing some trouble shooting and used Opera Portable and it felt great and really nice to use.

TheMuffinCoder

Nah man u gotta use IE 6

We finally got support for ajax

~sent from IE 6

Sie

00:29

Supposedly Edge is actually pretty good. However I like Chrome and FF better and no add-on's is what turned me away ultimately.

Icy Defiance

safari uses webkit, but chrome uses blink, which is a fork of webkit. google wants to do their own thing for some reason.

I think opera also uses webkit but I'm not sure

Sie

Cue you're the product speech. Which is true to an extent.

TheMuffinCoder

lol the only add on I use is ad block and thats only for sites I don't go on normally

Sie

Ya I don't use a whole lot. uBlock Origin (adblock basically), and No Flash. No Flash is a blessing because it stops 99% of those crappy News sites or whatever else lurks from auto playing garbage.

I'm probably doing something stupid but bare with me as I've never really messed with meshs or this sort of thing.

void GhostMesh()
{

MeshCollider gCollider = currMesh.GetComponent<MeshCollider>();

MeshCollider TempGCollider = mcTEST.AddComponent(gCollider) as MeshCollider;

}

I keep getting this error: "'MeshFilter' does not contain a definition for 'AddComponent' and no extension method 'AddComponent' accepting a first argument of type 'MeshFilter' could be found (are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?)".

TheMuffinCoder

@Sie lol flash? I should uninstall it

I had it disabled in my browser for like year now xD

Icy Defiance

00:33

MeshFilter is a component. Why would you add a component to a component?

Sie

Well how do I add the new MeshCollider to the game object then? I thought that was adding the MeshCollider (gCollider) to the gameobject (mcTEST).

I was going off of this answer: answers.unity3d.com/questions/359891/…

Oh hang on.

I'm lost.

Icy Defiance

sounds like mcTEST is a MeshFilter, not a GameObject

Sie

Oh I'm dull. Thanks. I'm not sure why I had that set as a MeshFilter.

Well that's fixed but now the compiler is complaining that I'm using the gCollider variable as a type.

Jon

01:19

Jg

Sie

There we go.

Now it's working properly.

Almo

-1

Q: Does anyone need music for their video game? I am willing to work for free!

If you are looking for someone to do original music for your video game, I am your guy. Check out my website and send me a message and we can work together. darylchadwick.com

music

spam flags

Sie

@Almo graph.facebook.com/10156907078665494/picture?type=large

That is probably the most awkward profile pic. I've seen in a while.

Almo

:D

Blue Bug

03:07

@WilliamMariager I think no single player game can ever be infinitely replayable. They eventually exhaust their content. If yo you are interested in replayable games, then why not MP? People are the greatest challenge.

Fight people online on reddit! so much fun!

Sie

@BlueBug Have any games experimented with the concept of procedurally generated content? Not just like random rooms, or layouts. I mean like entirely new items or entirely new randomly generated enemies.

The main problem with that is whether or not the randomly generated things will be interesting enough or not. They'd need certain constraints.

Blue Bug

I don't think entirely new randomly generated insert_whatever is possible, cuz of da constraints, yeah.

but people are entirely randomly generated ~~u know? nothing more fun than beating 10 years old kid with an argument on internet~~

Sie

Well maybe like have a generator that works like so. Pick a weapon type (melee, ranged, aoe, etc), -> Give it random stats -> Give it a special attribute -> and maybe some rare stat. Something like that I suppose. Of course that isn't taking into account game balance or any of that other junk :P.

Blue Bug

diablo3?

user92578

08:46

Idiot religion teacher expects me to have both the time and the interest to write a fucking 1200 word essay on ethics

user92578

The guideline for national exams is 500

user92578

I'm thinking a title "The ethics of a retard teacher making students write overly long essay"

user92578

Then paste "not right." 600 times

tkausl

09:06

0

Q: How is it possible to call abstract methods from another class?

Im creating a game using LWJGL and just as a bit of organising I made an Abstract class called Game so I could extend Game in my main class The game class is like so - public abstract class Game { public abstract void init(); public abstract void render(); } Really simple stuff, and my plan w...

java lwjgl3

Just why

I'll flag this as "not specific to gamedevelopment"

William Mariager

09:54

@BlueBug I wasn't talking about replayability though, that's just the conversation that took a turn. :P I was more concerned about how to keep survival games interesting past their fresh-off-the-boat novelty.

OMGtechy

@Tyyppi_77 somehow I don't think that'll be well received :D

user92578

@OMGtechy the thing is actually that i dont even need to pass the course

user92578

A 4 will do

OMGtechy

What's a 4? And don't say a number

user92578

We get grades from 4 to 10

user92578

10:05

4 means "failed"

user92578

But it counts as "course done"

OMGtechy

oh aha

user92578

You can have one third of the courses in a specific subject as 4s

user92578

I've gotten two 9s from religion

OMGtechy

well better to try really, as you never know what might happen with the others

user92578

10:06

But yeah nonetheless my teacher is an idiot

user92578

@OMGtechy this is the last one

OMGtechy

Write something with lots of big fancy words and maybe they'll think it's good

user92578

Third of three (way too many)

OMGtechy

or found your own religion

Jon

10:20

a guy i went to high school tried that

Mana Religion

William Mariager

The thing with writing long essays is getting into the habit of writing bullshit that sounds good.

We frequently had to write 1500-2000 word essays and I usually did fine.

My approach was to just write whatever came to mind until I had something decently lengthed. Then, I'd start to correct mistakes, fix the flow, etc.

Jon

wow that is exactly how stephen king writes...

William Mariager

So basically, make sure you're keeping the creative and critic parts separate.

When you're creative you have to use one skill set, when you're fixing and improving, you're using another. And the switch between the two takes time.

@Jon Oh yeah, I'm Stephen King, didn't I tell you guys?

OMGtechy

0

Q: Do I really need to create a Custom Game Engine If I am gonna Start my own Game Company?

I need to know if Do I really need to create a Custom Game Engine to start a Game Company(Like Steam) or Can I just use Easy Programs such as Gamemaker Studio?

engine steam company

NaCl

wow

tkausl

10:32

haha

he's funny

wants to start a game company "like steam" with gamemaker studio

OMGtechy

we've all been there or somewhere similar

Jon

no

Not like that.

William Mariager

No need to be condescending @tkausl.

OMGtechy

it's probably just a lack of understanding of what a game engine is / does that creates such a question

Jon

If you have no idea how the fucken industry works, don't be starting a goddamn company about it.

OMGtechy

10:42

@WilliamMariager how condescending ;D

John Cleese on Stupidity

►

^ @Jon

William Mariager

No need to be OMGtechy @OMGtechy.

tkausl

I didn't mean to be condescending

OMGtechy

ahaha

tkausl

but something like steam seems like a unreachable target

William Mariager

How so? Just have to provide a better service.

tkausl

10:43

And steam doesn't even make games

Jon

Steam, Game Engine, GameMaker, Game Company...

OMGtechy

probably meant Value @tkausl

Jon

he touched these 4 ponits in 1 sentence

Close the damn question.

And quite frankly, there is 0 need to nurture a person like that

Way too early for him to get into this line of work.

Potholes or a war zone Youngstown Ohio

►

William Mariager

I remember a fare with a couple of Canadians. They were shocked that our roads were in such a good state, even in the sparsely populated areas.

William Mariager

11:08

I swear to god, games with complex crafting systems, really need to consider how they can make them easier to use. :P

I've been trying out Wayward, and I constantly have to check which intermediate materials I need.

OMGtechy

I don't normally use them for that reason

just cba

wanna shoot stuff

Uri Popov

11:55

You guys were too hard on the game engine guy. Probably crushed his dreams

DH.

If he read the help center, all of this could be avoided

Uri Popov

btw can someone else check my answer and tell me why the answer I provided does nto seem to work for OP gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/121619/…

DH.

You will have a hard time with this guy

IIRC he most of the time doesn't understand what we are saying to him

Jon

DOOM: Behind The Music Part 1

►

he made it slower.

Uri Popov

I've tried explaining stuff to him before too. IMHO he cant program at all or he is from some really weird middle eastern school of programming.

TheMuffinCoder

12:05

design.tutsplus.com/tutorials/…

Jon

DOOM 2016 Soundtrack - Theme 1

►

TheMuffinCoder

Hey guys, do people ever use this type of vector art as assets?

Jon

I personally like the original e1m1 song better

page doesn't open

Uri Popov

I think he means the actual animated computer thingy that you see when the page is not found.

DH.

It's fucked up, it has 2 times the link, just cut the first half

Jon

12:07

NaCl

Is this what a segfault feels like?

Jon

hehe poor guy is stuck in a loop

Uri Popov

why do you think this is vector art ?

Jon

it isn't

DH.

design.tutsplus.com/tutorials/…

Uri Popov

12:10

TheMuffunCoder thinks it is

DH.

Because this is the real link

user92578

ooookay. religion teacher is not my favorite teacher

TheMuffinCoder

lol what made u think that

Uri Popov

ahh. Ok I was confused

TheMuffinCoder

@DH. Thx! lol I fumbled while I was going to classroom rn

Jon

12:12

You typically convert the vector into a texture of some sort

user92578

he decided that the correct response to constructive criticism to assignment word count (over 2x that is required in the finals exam of the finnish language) coming from multiple students, including me, was to start being a dick to me

TheMuffinCoder

lol teachers never like highschool criticism

user92578

"looks like you got this presentation about war nicely done, how should an overly long essay be any different?"

user92578

then proceeds to show us his 260k word doctorate paper

user92578

BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN FUCKING COMPARE

TheMuffinCoder

12:14

lol but thats a doctorate paper

Not everyone wants to write that much

user92578

exactly. from a field he has chosen to do as his job.

user92578

it's fucking religion

user92578

1200 words

Uri Popov

why do you have religion in school anyway ?

TheMuffinCoder

Dont worry just use sparkle words

user92578

12:14

that's like 9-10 pages hand written

TheMuffinCoder

@UriPopov might be a private school?

Jon

yeah why religion is being taught in school?

user92578

finland.

TheMuffinCoder

gg

user92578

everyone has to take 3 courses of religion in hs

Jon

12:15

how is it being taught?

user92578

basically it's mostly generic stuff, like ethics, church history and religion vocabulary

TheMuffinCoder

ouch, wouldn't they rather give u 3 courses of math instead?

Jon

is there some fanatic that comes in and drills the word of christ into your brains?

user92578

not really

user92578

but there's still a christian perspective to most of the stuff

Jon

12:16

do they focus on one religion?

TheMuffinCoder

@Jon this doom stuff sounds awesome

user92578

yup

Jon

or do they teach you about all religions?

TheMuffinCoder

I wish I could afford the game :(

Jon

80$ + 60$ season pass here.

TheMuffinCoder

12:16

But just spent 1.5K$ for my pc

Jon

same boat as you, lol.

user92578

some teaching about all religions, but christianity is favored

Uri Popov

And here I thought that the Nordic countries were progressive and would teach all religions equally.

user92578

but that depends on your views

user92578

@UriPopov They teach, if you don't make the mistake of attending the major religion classes here

Almo

12:17

@TheMuffinCoder cheap!

when you get it? like is it on mail order or soemthing?

TheMuffinCoder

Lmao Almo! I'm not a working professional yet :P

Jon

i'm gonna wait for it to go on sale.

Almo

I'm not syaing "cheap" as a bad thing :)

Jon

hopefully it doesn't pull a GTA5

TheMuffinCoder

@Almo pcpartpicker.com/user/themuffincoder/saved/#view=HJkhP6

Almo

12:18

I'm saying you got a new computer, and it didn't destroy your finances. (well maybe it did)

Jon

you got the 6700k?

TheMuffinCoder

I bought the cpu, motherboard, hdd, and ram so far

Jon

man, your cooler sucks balls

TheMuffinCoder

lol I know

Jon

get a better cooler for that monster cpu

great mobo

TheMuffinCoder

12:18

can master Jon recommend one for me plz? :)

Jon

great ram

great hd

great case

i'd swap the powersupply

TheMuffinCoder

yea my friend said the same

DH.

Why such power supply? Like really, 750W and no GPU?

TheMuffinCoder

there's a GPU

Jon

@TheMuffinCoder Noctua

TheMuffinCoder

12:19

@DH. the gtx 1080

Jon

they might be ugly, but they are SILENT

TheMuffinCoder

lol I dont care about ugly, I like functionality

Jon

By far the best cooler I ever bought

DH.

Ohh damn

Almo

do not underestimate how nice it is to have quiet parts

DH.

12:20

Didn't saw, it's almost hidden with no image lol

TheMuffinCoder

I have a mechanical keyboard so I dont know if that applies still :P

Almo

the silence of my puter is one of my favorite things about it

I do to; but the constant buzz of a fan gets irritating

the typing is something you hear as you're doing it; it's not external to your actions

so it's less noticable

TheMuffinCoder

lol on the contrary, I seem to like the white noise, I always have my air filter on just for that

DH.

I wished I had half of the money to buy those :c

Almo

and you get something for the noise of the keyboard: easy typing

TheMuffinCoder

12:21

@DH. Luckily my parents are paying for it! :D

But now I have go ultra frugal mode :P

Almo

I approve: making kids work to pay for things that help develop them is just handicapping them for no reason.

TheMuffinCoder

Almo my mom saids the same thing :) Said hopefully this will help me on my way to become a professional

DH.

PC parts are expensive as fuck here

Jon

newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7RD3H03500

I think this is the one I got.. i'll check the box

DH.

I was thinking in getting a GTX960 when I have enough

Almo

12:23

right well I got an early meeting today so I gotta head out

talk later

TheMuffinCoder

@Jon ty tytytyty I was having difficulty finding it

@Almo good luck! :D

Uri Popov

OMG this Faizan Khan dude is complete and utter moron ( sorry if I'm breaking the nice rules)

Jon

NH-U14S

It isn't cheap

TheMuffinCoder

@DH. SHouldnt u get a 1070 instead?

Jon

But you can crank up your clock speed

Almo

12:24

@UriPopov he's not actually here, so it's on the edge.

Jon

on the 6700K you should be able to get close to an extra Ghz no problem

DH.

It's 2 times the price almost

TheMuffinCoder

Wait Jon (sorry if I'm misguided) but shouldnt I get liquid cooling instead for the cpu for that price?

Or is liquid cooling just for gpu

Jon

You can get liquid cooling if you want

I opted to not because I don't like to deal with the hassle

Uri Popov

@Almo i know i checked before posting

Kevin van der Velden

12:26

How experienced are you?

DH.

It's only worth buying something here if it's now new anymore, so the price can drop

TheMuffinCoder

yea me neither

Jon

I bought the 6600k

intel is selling the 6700k to retail employees

for 100$

TheMuffinCoder

@Jon wait Jon couldn't I use the stock cooler while I don't overclock, then I could make sure to afford that cooler a month later

Jon

I feel like getting a job in retail just to get the 6700k

then quit

There is no stock cooler on the skylake

TheMuffinCoder

12:28

I must really be a newbie :P

Jon

intel stopped shipping the coolers on the K models afaik

Kevin van der Velden

(Given the questions you're asking I'd recommend against liquid cooling to be honest =p)

TheMuffinCoder

@KevinvanderVelden lol dont worry I knew that :D I'm too unskilled to setup that up correctly yet :P

People keep telling me to get it but I'm not skilled enough for that :)

Kevin van der Velden

Also there's liquid cooling for damn near anything

Jon

Another thing, you are going to want to get a 500GB hard drive

Kevin van der Velden

12:29

CPU and GPU are the most common, but there's coolers for the RAM and even the motherboard chipset

Jon

Trust me.

DH.

Why not the 1TB?

Jon

I got a 250, and with GTA5 installed, its pretty much full

TheMuffinCoder

SSD?

Jon

SSD 1TB is just too much money.

William Mariager

12:30

@TheMuffinCoder, I had an idea with the vector art. GPU's support rendering lines, so if you could convert the various shapes into line segments, it could work.

Jon

yeah SSD

Kevin van der Velden

Do you mean 500GB ssd? =p

Heh

William Mariager

Problem is you can't control the thickness of the lines.

TheMuffinCoder

lol I already got the hdd :P

DH.

But he got both HDD and SSD

TheMuffinCoder

12:31

@WilliamMariager lol I meant the artstyle of vector art, couldnt I just rasterize it for actually game dev :P

Jon

Yeah you can rasterize it, in fact you have to

William Mariager

Ohh, just the art style

Yeah, plenty of games use vector art.

TheMuffinCoder

K! I'll go back to doing the illustrator tutorial

William Mariager

Reminds me of Galaxial. Damn that game is sexy looking.

Sadly, development is incredibly slow.

Give it a loot @TheMuffinCoder, it is purely vector.

Jon

If you can pull it off

William Mariager

12:32

Well, vector and fancy shaders. :P

Jon

I think Eufloria is also vector

TheMuffinCoder

/me gets inspired

William Mariager

@TheMuffinCoder Yeah, it's pretty sexy. :P

tkausl

0

Q: Receive Game Server Data

I want to remake a game in its entirety, but still have it be able to connect and play on servers for the game. I don't think I have access to the code for the server, so I'd like to know if there's any easy way to ask the server for data it would send the game, and figure out myself how to use...

server data

Is this on-topic?

user92578

no, asking how to get started essentially

William Mariager

12:35

Well, it's not even really game development.

Jon

now hold on

William Mariager

And it's an open question, which isn't very suited for QA.

Jon

I want to remake a game in its entirety, but still have it be able to connect and play on servers for the game.

Kevin van der Velden

So create a custom client for it

Jon

This sounds borderline illegal

lol

tkausl

12:36

Is it?

William Mariager

Depends on the country.

tkausl

Are those WoW-servers illegal?

I don't mean running them

i mean making them

Jon

It isn't illegal per-say

William Mariager

Pretty sure at worst it's just an EULA/ToS breach.

TheMuffinCoder

@Jon pcpartpicker.com/mr/newegg/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhu14s

Kevin van der Velden

12:36

@Jon reverse engineering is actually perfectly legal

TheMuffinCoder

Jon did the price magically go down?

Kevin van der Velden

Assuming it's done cleanroom style

Jon

@TheMuffinCoder some hotlinks give you deals.

TheMuffinCoder

I got this link for pc part picker

Jon

The ol' price match

TheMuffinCoder

12:37

Same price on amazon too

Oh snap I gotta buy it today then

Kevin van der Velden

@WilliamMariager IIRC in the european union at least the EULA/ToS can't prevent you from doing that

Jon

He is asking how to reverse engineer a game server I think.

Kevin van der Velden

(i.e. they can write it down, but you're not bound by it)

William Mariager

@KevinvanderVelden Yeah, that's right.

tkausl

@jon actually, thats the "answer" not the "question"

TheMuffinCoder

12:38

wait guys quick question (I'm really potato rn) u guys have windows home edition right? The pro edition is just for like servers and stuff

tkausl

he's asking if he can just send random stuff and expect the server to send something useful

William Mariager

The worst they can do is remove you from their services, like ban you from an MMO.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

You can write the server code, but if you use it, the company can sue your for loss of profit, or something...

Jon

@TheMuffinCoder no

Kevin van der Velden

@TheMuffinCoder the pro edition is most definitely not suitable for servers

tkausl

12:39

@TheMuffinCoder the server edition is for servers

Kevin van der Velden

You do not want a server that defaults to rebooting without warning

TheMuffinCoder

lol I knew I was wrong

William Mariager

hint Windows Server is for servers. :P

Alexandre Vaillancourt

And/or patent infringement or something.

Kevin van der Velden

@AlexandreVaillancourt highly doubtful

William Mariager

12:39

Home vs Pro has to do with some of the things that are enabled by default and some parts you can't use in Home.

Jon

Home edition locks out a lot of features

Kevin van der Velden

And you can't patent a protocol

William Mariager

I remember running into a few things once, but it's very unlikely to be a problem for the average user.

TheMuffinCoder

answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/…

I see now

pro has stuff I dont need! :D

Jon

pcadvisor.co.uk/feature/windows/…

Alexandre Vaillancourt

12:40

@KevinvanderVelden Why not?

Jon

look at this table.

William Mariager

now look at me.

TheMuffinCoder

yep same from my link :P stuff I dont need :D

William Mariager

now back to the table.

Jon

You want Pro, trust me.

TheMuffinCoder

12:41

lmao

wait really?!?!?

William Mariager

@Jon, What specifically does he want in Pro?

Jon

everything

Its totally worth the extra 200$

William Mariager

That's the least specific thing you could've said. :P

I think the only Pro feature I'm using is Hyper-V.

Kevin van der Velden

@AlexandreVaillancourt cleanroom reverse engineering is explicitly legal, and loss of profit is hard to proof

(Of course, being sued for it is possible but most likely you'll just get a cease and decist)

William Mariager

If anything, it creates profit. :P The only reason I had my WoW account active for years was because I enjoyed making bots.

tkausl

12:43

lol

I made a simple walk-along-a-waypoint-path in autoit

a few years ago

Jon

yeah right

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@KevinvanderVelden Ah, yeah. In any case, big corps will find a way to make you stop.

William Mariager

@AlexandreVaillancourt Except, they can't.

They can stop you from sharing, but they can't legally do anything to stop you from reversing.

It's like saying I can't pick apart my own car.

Uri Popov

@WilliamMariager how are WoW bots legal in any way ?

tkausl

@WilliamMariager how is "sharing" defined?

William Mariager

12:47

@UriPopov They're not not legal? :P

tkausl

If you run your reverse-engineered server, do you "share"?

William Mariager

The intent and how you use it are different things.

Jon

That is the issue, is when you are running free servers

William Mariager

Reverse Engineering, on it's own, is legal and you can't stop it.

Uri Popov

@wil

Jon

12:48

You are not profiting off your reverse engineering, but you are causing Blizzard to lose money

Uri Popov

@WilliamMariager double negatives are a no no

Jon

(arguably)

William Mariager

@UriPopov It's a joke. There's nothing illegal about WoW bots. It's only a breach of ToS.

All they can do is close your account.

Jon

we don't want your money!

William Mariager

If you sell them and cause them losses, that's another thing, for a civil lawsuit.

Uri Popov

12:52

ok ok I have to ask again. This guy wanted a way to rotate his camera towards its direction of movement.

void Orient()
{
moveDirection = transform.TransformDirection(moveDirection);// Turns the direction from local to world space
moveDirection = (transform.position - prevLoc);// calculate direction vector;
Quaternion wanted_rotation = Quaternion.LookRotation(moveDirection);//create the rotation
transform.rotation = Quaternion.RotateTowards(transform.rotation, wanted_rotation,MaxTurnSpeed* Time.deltaTime);// apply the rotation with a max turn speed so its smooth
prevLoc = transform.position;// change our prev pos.

I gave him this. It works on my end but he claims it causes his cam to jitter

William Mariager

Tell him to upgrade his computer? :P

tkausl

So it direction of movement jitters

would be my best guess

Leggy7

^--- quote

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@WilliamMariager Ha, no, "make you stop" was not about the reverse engineering per se, it was in the case were you used the result: if you reverse engineer a client, the EULA probably forbids you to use the server with a non-legitimate client, and if your reverse engineer the server, they could sue/cease-and-desist you from using publicly because you offer it for free, while they charge and lose money (because they lose customers).

And the EULA probably forbids from using the client with not-one-of-their-servers.

Uri Popov

He said it jitters even if his cam does not move. This is the part I dont understand

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