Game Development

Aidan Mueller

02:42

@MickLH I was playing Kerbal Space Program. It's down to 62 C now.

It's a laptop.

When it gets hot, I put a spatula under it to prop it up.

PearsonArtPhoto

KSP is the game that I was playing that broke my video card.

Aidan Mueller

Cools it down and increases the clock speed.

PearsonArtPhoto

And it's not really that intense on the video card either...

Aidan Mueller

lolwut

Broke?

MickLH

@AidanMueller lap-top water boiler?

Aidan Mueller

02:45

Sure.

The boiler powers my CPU.

The CPU heats the boiler.

MickLH

I knew intel were the kind of bastards the would deny perpetual energy devices while manufacturing them

Icy Defiance

either gcc really hates template classes inheriting each other, or vc++ is incredibly forgiving. haven't figured out which yet, but either way it's starting to piss me off.

Aidan Mueller

@Jon The gomer just keeps swinging on level 18

Almo

@IcyDefiance lol gaem?

Icy Defiance

maybe I do need a break...

okay just give me a minute

Aidan Mueller

03:00

Level 23 is trolling me. Says I clicked I got 4, but I KNOW that I only clicked 3 times.

Almo

gettink ze factorio demo

I love android.

answers.unity3d.com/questions/1032606/…

I had this same problem, cause Tyyppi has one of these things

glad I was able to find an answer and send him a new build though

hopefully it will work

Aidan Mueller

03:43

@Jon Good game

Pip

04:36

@AidanMueller @MickLH the water wouldn't boil until far after the CPU melted, right?

Aidan Mueller

Why would the CPU melt? This is silicon not water.

Almo

@IcyDefiance i've won 3 of the last 15 games

Pip

Wrong wording, I was referring to the CPU overheating failsafes. :P

I think the ~100 degrees wouldn't be enough to boil water

oh wait a sec, I forgot to convert the units

Well, it seems like you could do it if the failsafes were above 100 degrees C

WDUK

05:17

Can some one explain what i did wrong here for my code:
temp = transform.position.x;
temp -= myValue;
transform.position.x = temp;

This causes the error:
Cannot modify a value type return value of `UnityEngine.Transform.position'. Consider storing the value in a temporary variable

It doesn't make sense, pretty sure i am using a temporary variable here..

MickLH

@WDUK It looks like the compiler wants you to use a temporary for the whole Vector3 position, not just the .x float

Icy Defiance

05:51

@WDUK Mick is right. The reason is that position is a property, not a variable. Properties are just syntax sugar for functions, and in this case, it's returning a struct, which means it returns a copy of the original.
In other words, "transform.position.x = temp;" is just setting x on a copy of position, and the C# compiler is nice enough to prohibit that, since it's not doing what you would expect.

Aidan Mueller

@Pip My CPU was running at 103 C.

WDUK

ah i see thanks for explaining. looks like i was assuming it would be similar to JavaScript's behavior, guess not!

Aidan Mueller

So yes, it could boil.

user92578

09:04

user92578

Working on a new level select screen for the coop mode

user92578

Now with weirdly scaled thumbnails

Jon

10:26

Love that it's awesome. Might steal it

user92578

lol

DH.

10:59

it's looking really cool Tyyppi

Jon

lang-gen.appspot.com

This is strange.

pcgamer.com/stardew-valley-interview

DH.

it's weird and awesome at the same time

Jon

this interview is going to encourage another wave of idiots making games

DH.

it says those fables, like "anyone can make games" and "making games is easy"?

Jon

11:17

No.. dude took 4 years, made game by himself -- never made a game bevore

Sells 500K copies

used to be a usher at a theatre -- now is millionaire

500000 x 15$

DH.

well

at least he said that it costed him 4 years to develop the full game

Jon

he really did create a pretty cool looking game

DH.

I didn't check the game yet

Jon

it doesn't look like a game someone made alone

DH.

now that I got all set up for my thesis, made the SBS code work for Unity that I need, I think I'll keep drawing some sprites for my game

I need to reduce my distractions lol

Jon

11:27

same

i need to buckle down and finish this damn game

Jon

11:59

waiting for my ex to drop off my son

Ali.S

@Jon your ex? you got divorce... sorry I'm asking though

Jon

Yeah man... my issue right now is I need to take a dump

But if I do, she's gonna get here, and I won't be able to open the door

getting married nowadays, is really silly

In my opinion -- it costs an arm and a leg and for what? so that lawyers can verify that you are together?

Sometimes it is better to not be traditional

DH.

is getting married that expensive?

Jon

cost me less than 1000

divorce costs a lot more

Thing is people will mock you if you have a cheap wedding

Your supposed to have this magical day

We got married in our house -- had a huge party in the backyard -- BBQ, tables, music, kegs

Not a typical wedding to say the least.

But I had always been vocal I didn't even want to marry -- did it to make her happy

DH.

12:14

yeah, even because a lot of girls have that dream in a church

Jon

Yup... church, and uber expensive wedding dress -- and expensive venue with food

And a ring is supposed to be 3 months salary

DH.

and if you don't have a house big enough, you will need to rent a place for the party

Jon

A girl told me this the first time I heard it -- that a diamond engagement ring should be about 3 months salary .. I laughed and she scoffed at me

If a girl expects me to drop 10-12K on a ring -- she can just go find someone else.

DH.

a lot of girls put their dreams on the material things of a single day

to me I would prefer a lot to not make a party and trip to somewhere that both want

still expensive, but way better

Almo

13:36

@jon was playin some more gorb last night. good shit dude.

feels very light

you know how ubi games like AC feel heavy? yours does not have that feel

Jon

assassin's creed?

i don't know how to take that lol

Almo

compliment

AC has great art, weak gameplay

ubi tends to make heavy control systems because they are animaton-driven

Jon

Yeah, but totally different gamer market, and everything else for that matter, haha

Almo

but physics games like yours can feel heavy, too if they're not done right

but you did not make that mistake

all i was saying :)

Jon

thanks man

Almo

13:40

like, you could make it "on click release" and suddenly it would feel shitty

Jon

i am going to need to make more levels.. I think I am going to add glue and moving platforms (coloured platforms that can be clicked)

Almo

hey sounds like a good idea to me

user92578

I didn't actually finish your game, so I'm not sure if you have this already

user92578

But a fan with a wind force could be cool

Jon

i'm not so sure about that

if anything it will be a trampoline

Almo

13:42

is level 29 supposed to be doable in 2 clicks?

says par 4

Jon

it was.. they are red now

Almo

ah ok

Jon

i had a few levels like that

Almo

i tried a couple times and said "wait... duh"

:)

Jon

i switched the solid color from orange to red

Almo

13:43

ok gotta get to werk. alpha today

talk later :)

Jon

cool

i got shit to do too ;)

		if (!ScreenshotLoaded) {
			Delay -= Time.deltaTime;
			if (Delay <= 0) {
				TakeScreenshot ();
				ScreenshotLoaded = true;
			}
		} else {
			NextLevel ();
		}

Cycles through all my levels -- takes a screenshot of each one. Love this.

user92578

Cool

user92578

DH.

reduce a bit the movement?

user92578

Probably a good idea

DH.

13:51

I feel a bit nauseous looking at it e.e

user92578

It might be because of the large zoom too though

user92578

And me swapping the items quickly

user92578

Plus only the selected item actually moves

Jon

argh i puked

dude

flagged

user92578

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Ali.S

14:07

@Tyyppi_77 very nice

user92578

Thanks!

Lokkij

Oooh cool!

PearsonArtPhoto

That does look really nice!

user92578

Thanks guys!

user92578

It's a lot better than the old listbox

Jon

14:18

yeah looks awesome

I'm wondering if I should show a level preview for my game

i already have the screenshot and viewer written.

user92578

that could be pretty cool

Jon

I'd have like 6 per page.

I think it would look better than what I have now

PearsonArtPhoto

Agree.

It would make finding a level easier for sure...

Jon

I also think you will need to beat a level before I unlock them all... I"m thinking you need to beat 5 out of 6 to unlock the next 6.. I dunno yet

PearsonArtPhoto

I think I would require beating, but not at par, a level to advance to the next.

It's a very common schema, and would work well for your game.

DH.

14:22

that would make sense only if the levels were organized by difficulty

Jon

my only concern is what if you can't beat a level.. you can't keep playing

PearsonArtPhoto

I think of your game a similar in difficulty and scope to something like Cut the Rope. You can't skip a level in that game.

They do offer hints, extra tricks, etc, for those cases you are really stuck.

Which you can purchase more of via IAP.

Jon

might as well write a test menu system.

add shuffling so I can re-organize them easier

Almo

14:40

@Jon I think so

allows you to find certain levels later

Jon

14:56

user92578

looks really nice

user92578

15:14

-2

Q: Images won't appear in my web

We have a project in our computer class and when I was adding some images, it would not appear when I checked it. Even my background image, it won't appear too. I put my images in the same folder as my website and still...I'm wondering why...

programming

user92578

Something might be wrong with his web

Almo

hahah

user92578

what just happened there

user92578

check the revision history o_O

Alexandre Vaillancourt

I rolled it back.

Jon

15:18

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Tyyppi_77 ...and now it's gone :)

user92578

that was weird

user92578

looking really awesome jon

Jon

u sure?

Noctrine

"Who's Your Daddy is a casual 1 on 1 video game featuring a clueless father attempting to prevent his infant son from certain death." - store.steampowered.com/app/427730

user92578

15:21

the menu disease is spreading!

Ali.S

16:17

@Noctrine that game is awesome... saw some gameplay videos on youtube

Jon

i don't like having the text there...

PearsonArtPhoto

The convention would be to somehow include it in the box.

user92578

Yeah that could work

PearsonArtPhoto

Include everything in the box, in fact.

Martin Sojka

Top right corner has some space for the level number.

PearsonArtPhoto

16:22

You could strategically make the background larger to make sure you have empty space.

user92578

Maybe something like that?

Jon

hmmm

Almo

1000 levels congrats!

Jon

i kinda like the one before this one better.

Almo

16:46

39

Q: Add "magic link" for XY Problems

Comments allow shortcut magic links such as [help] - Link to Help Center [ask] - Link to How to Ask and a dozen or so additional ones. I'd like to see a new one: [xyprob] - Link to http://xyproblem.info

feature-request magic-links

woa

[help] in a comment links to the help page of the site you're on!

no more grabbing the URL and pasting it

Jon

user92578

looks good to me

Almo

the off-center stars bug me

but it doesn't look "bad"

just seems odd for some reason

user4704

what if they were down the side, vertically?

Jon

user4704

17:01

those look nice

Almo

I like that better

Jon

cool

Almo

BUT IT'S YOUR GAME :)

Jon

i'm not a fan of having the par and best looking like buttons

which one is better?

i think #1 is the cleanest i guess

user92578

yeah #1 ftw

DH.

17:12

I vote for #1

PearsonArtPhoto

The text in #1 is too small I think.

DH.

I don't think these are actually the 100% resolution for the ingame images

PearsonArtPhoto

Fair enough.

Well, give me a sec...

The actual images are higher resolution. I think the goal is to do it on, what, a 4 inch phone?

Jon

Yeah,

PearsonArtPhoto

Given that, I think the text in the two right ones is the right size.

I think the layout on the left is best, but I don't know if I'm a fan of the white box...

What would it look like to have the background extend throughout the box?

Jon

17:20

crowded

PearsonArtPhoto

I mean leave the boxes where they are, but extend the background.

Jon

shitty unlock animation ftw

PearsonArtPhoto

It looks like the lock resizes on the first jump?

Jon

17:44

little much with the buttons? lol

There... what do you guys think of this?

DH.

seens good enough for me

Jon

i think it looks decent for now

Byte56

Anyone not get the free games for the "Make War Not Love 3" thing? I have an extra key for one giveaway: reddit.com/r/steam_giveaway/comments/49vrt3/…

Ali.S

18:00

@Byte56 so is it worth the disk space?

DH.

It has Golden Axe, why not?

Byte56

@Ali.S Renegade Ops is alright, for free.

I didn't even try the others.

You can always hide them from your library if you don't like them :)

William Mariager

Factorio needs to allow queuing research. I keep coming back to the game paused, waiting for the next research project.

Byte56

They're planning a proper research tree. Maybe it'll come then.

Likely just select the node you want, and it'll get all the prereqs, just like crafting.

Also, you can turn off the pause thing. So the game just continues without anything researching.

William Mariager

I might look into that.

Byte56

18:08

It's the same way multiplayer handles researching.

It'll just flash at you instead.

Pretty fun in multiplayer though. But it takes a lot more coordination that any other multiplayer game I've seen.

William Mariager

I'd imagine.

Byte56

If you're all working on the same factory anyway.

It's nice for some things, like, one person handles walls and turrets, someone else works on power and mining, and another does the actual making of things.

William Mariager

I just tore down most of my production line. Got 50 robots and 4 roboports, but everything was messy. Going to make them move around some of the specialized things. I'm thinking I'll keep iron/steel/copper/plastic on belts.

Byte56

Robots are sweet. Getting the personal robo port thing is really great paired with blueprints.

You just drop a blueprint and the robots build it.

It's fantastic

William Mariager

Sounds awesome. I'm already using bps a lot. Only have 10 builder bots though.

Byte56

18:13

And great for tearing things up, 'cause they do all that then store the pieces for later construction

William Mariager

50 logistics, 10 building.

But getting them to clear an area of forest is awesome. :P

Byte56

That game is sooo smooth too. I had thousands of logistics and 100+ builder robots

William Mariager

They did all the expanding of the 3 new roboports themselves. Told them to clear the areas and build the ports and electric poles.

Almo

i got the factorio demo last night

not sure I'd have the patience to play it, but it looks like a nice game

Awesomenauts free weekend

William Mariager

I really enjoy it. But it's a game for nerds. :P

Almo

18:16

that game is good fun

William Mariager

Tinkering with production lines, optimizing things. :P

Almo

I prefer infinifactory for that

Byte56

I love games where you start with almost nothing and end up building a massive base

Optimization and logistics

William Mariager

I need my games like Byte56 said, where you start with nothing and get large bases.

Almo

Moonbase Commander :)

must be played against people though, the AI is bad

William Mariager

18:17

I enjoyed infinifactory a bit, but the non persistence isn't suited for me.

Byte56

It's on my list

But I'm not buying an games this year :/

Trying to finish my backlog of games...

And be more productive.

William Mariager

I'm going to be trying out trains in Factorio for the first time soon.

Almo

anyone know if sending a tip to kotaku about a game if a free code should be sent?

or does that create a conflict of interest?

Byte56

Trains are pretty fun

William Mariager

Never had the need before, but this time I didn't have a good source for copper, but decided to go with the map anyways.

Byte56

18:19

Perfect use for trains

@Almo Sending a tip about a game, like asking for a review?

Almo

yeah

most places specify, like touch arcade says "send one code only"

kotaku doesn't specify

just says you can contact them or their writers directly

William Mariager

I really need to upgrade the carrying capacity of my robots. :P 1 item is simply not enough.

Byte56

I'd send a code, for review purposes. Is asking them to pay you for the game much different?

@WilliamMariager Yes, and improving their speed

Almo

not sure really

but thanks for input, i'll probably send one

William Mariager

@Byte56 Yeah, they sure are slow in the beginning :P

Byte56

18:23

@Almo You're asking them to do some work for you, you can make that work free to them, or you can ask them to pay you to do that work. I think one of those methods will work better than the other.

Almo

I was concerned about "we were given this game, so there's a journalistic conflict of interest"

but i think you're right

William Mariager

I naively thought robots easily replaced belts first time :P

Byte56

They don't have to accept the game, and can still do the review if they're interested enough to buy the game.

William Mariager

But then I noticed 90% were occupied moving iron/copper just to get the basic production going. :P

Almo

@Byte56 true

Byte56

18:25

Ah yeah, I could never get enough bots to replace my belts carrying raw resources and copper wire.

William Mariager

18:35

@Byte56, How do you clear rocks? Explosives?

Byte56

@WilliamMariager That works, or just shooting them a lot

William Mariager

Ah, I forgot about target shooting :P I just use Space for enemy shooting.

Byte56

18:50

Anyone have experience using remote desktop to play games?

I was doing it last night, and it was working great, except the mouse doesn't lock to the center of the screen.

Meaning when playing an FPS, I can only look left and right as far as the mouse moves across the screen.

I wonder if that's a game setting or a RPD setting.

William Mariager

@Byte56, Is it possible to filter storage chests? Mark it so it only gets iron.

Almo

heh no clue byte

the FPS i play are twitchy enough to where you wouldn't want to play them remote

Byte56

@WilliamMariager It seems like you can with the circuit network stuff, but I can't think of how right now

William Mariager

Hm

Byte56

@Almo This was surprisingly smooth game play

But I'm probably just not as good as you, so I didn't notice

Jon

19:04

David Freitag

@Jon Looking good :D

Jon

think so?

David Freitag

Yeah that looks great

Jon

gonna probably add a fast tween between page transitions

David Freitag

I'm a fan of fast transitions, slow ones just make me want to not play the game any more

Jon

19:06

oh.. i'm talking like 0.1 seconds

just to make it look pretty

William Mariager

David Freitag

@Jon Yeah some games I have played had like a 2 second transition, made me mental

William Mariager

First time doing a larger bus line :P Time will tell if it pays off.

I think I might remove stone/bricks. They're not really used much in automated production.

Byte56

I ran all my resources in a parallel bus like that, then you just belt off to the sides when you want to spin up a new assembly machine.

William Mariager

Only perhaps for walls, but that's easily handled without the bus.

@Byte56 Yeah, that's the idea, just belt off and have the other belts go underground a bit.

Byte56

19:10

Furnaces too

Exactly

That's a pretty tight operation, you must have removed a lot of stuff

William Mariager

I might add iron gears to the bus.

Yeah, I uprooted almost everything.

Byte56

Iron gears are good for the bus. You'll need them to make belts and arms, both required for various science packs

William Mariager

Yeah

Also electronic circuits maybe. They seem to be used a lot as well.

Although they're only .5s to produce

So a local production might suffice.

Although that means I'll have an assembling machine making them almost everywhere.

Byte56

You'll want those on a belt too

It's going to consume a lot of copper wire

You know about the production window? Pressing 'P'

William Mariager

Yeah, I love it :D

Byte56

19:20

I feel like the developer and I could be really good friends.

Just based on how they designed the game.

William Mariager

Hehe

user4704

Stalker.

Byte56

Whatever Josh. You're the one wearing those tan shorts I like.

user4704

Huh, I thought that window-washer fellow looked familiar.

Byte56

Join us Josh. Play the Factorio. Love the Factorio.

user4704

19:23

What is this game now?

user4704

Hm.

Byte56

store.steampowered.com/app/427520

user4704

I dunno, Banished is still in my queue of builders to play

Byte56

This game is perfect for the mind of a developer/nerd/engineer

I binge on it every 6 months or so. Since it released on Indiegogo a few years ago.

user4704

I'll check it out when i get home

William Mariager

19:26

I wish there was a simple way to avoid the yellow belt in the circle:

It's only there to make sure the items enter the belt on the right side.

Byte56

I'd just use a splitter off the main iron belt

William Mariager

The move coal to a separate belt?

Byte56

I usually do that. Then use long handed inserters to pull into the furnaces.

William Mariager

Yeh

Byte56

But, with the water right there, there's not really a point.

Just use a splitter off of both the coal and iron, and T them into the shared belt

Jon

19:36

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Hmm, the review limit per queue per day is 20, right?

William Mariager

@Jon It's starting to look real polished. :)

Jon

thanks

sharaf zaman

19:50

hey! is there any SE site for asking question related to concentration and all that stuf

user4704

Like... the old board game?

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Is there a badge for review queue votes?

user4704

yeah

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Vox Populi and Suffrage?

user4704

Civic Duty, Copy Editor and Electorate are related (across all reviews)

user4704

19:54

Custodian, Reviewer and Steward are per queue.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

So Vox Populi and Suffrage are not related to the review queues, then?

user4704

Well, only in that you can cast votes in some review queues

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Ok... Well I've been misunderstanding these badges apparently. I'll stop hogging the review queues -- Sorry community.

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