@Jon @MickLH Opinions on this build? pcpartpicker.com/p/BwqMWZ

I know it's AMD, I don't want AMD/Intel crap :P

@Hjorthenify awesome

@TheMuffinCoder it's 5% over some amount, if I remember correctly

@Joe how was Unite?

Previous editions maybe!?

With every day that passes.. I learn to hate Java more and more..

how long is each class?

4 hour

Right now we're taught about classes..

Methods and constructors, also my teacher keeps messing up his methods :P

so a 2-Hour Hate session, sounds lovely D;

4 hours*

Sorry

:P

Even better :|

Yeah well.. 2 hours lecture, 2 hours of assignment and we are allowed to leave the last 2.

Which I usually do unless my friends need guidance :P

friends don't let friends learn Java

Yeah.. We don't really have a choice, sadly. I'm sure they are trying to make us get used to even the worst workspace by forcing us to use Java and Eclipse...

lol

I mean.. If it was IntelliJ it would have been slightly better, but no -.-

Also this is the difficulty we're at currently: pastebin.com/kQYsAGtH

"opgave" translates into "task"

I love how the method names are in English

but that just goes with the rest of the language I suppose

cool

morning

Also I know from personal experience that writing programs in your own language is a bad idea. If I look up a code snippet, then I'll have to translate every variable into danish if I want to keep it that way. Also code gets fugly when mixed between two languages. It also reduces be a great problem if I have to share it with non-nordic people :P

@user2979253 Morning

lol

I'm self-taught for the most part so I'm probably full of bad habits

that sounds familiar

I work on the basis that everything i do is wrong becuase someone probably knows better

Now applied for a job as game programmer :D

Nice, good luck

Ty :)

you must hate yourself

nope, just a shitty old matrix with jamming keys

this is so painful to watch

I don't think mine's mechanical. Logitech K310 amazon.com/Logitech-Washable-Keyboard-K310-Windows/dp/…

nope that ain't mechanical

if it is 30 years old it is mechanical

if it is overly expensive, and not 30 years old it is mechanical

right

I never understood the craze

but then I don't think I've tried one

it is because if you press multiple keys at the same time on a matrix type keyboard, some keys will not register

with a mechanical keyboard, each key has its own signal

for ultimate gamers

a notable game, is Frets on Fire -- requires you to press F1 to F5 sometimes multiple keys together

ah k. Looks like 8 keys at once, only 6 get registered

some of the F1 to F5 combinatinos lock up

hmm

sounds a bit shit lol

its just a cheaper keyboard manufacturing process

literally just a membrane with copper laid inside of it

coolghosts.net/cool-stuff/2015/9/24/…

the copper is designed to transmit an array of data, and decypher -- there is actually a chip inside of your keyboard

decyphers the matrix value to a keypress/presses

large SSD drives need to go down in price faster.. ugh

@Jon uhm no? That has nothing to do with it

You can still make a matrix with mechanical switches

Wut really?

I'm rarely wrong about stuff

Yeah, that's just how the pins are wired up

deskthority.net/workshop-f7/my-custom-m0110-t5772.html

See the setup? That's a matrix

so the individual switches are hooked up to a matrix as well

@Jon yup, it's either that or a microcontroller with an input for each switch and a shitton of wiring more

Heck, from the picture it looks like the guy gutted a regular keyboard and put mechanical switches in it

i think that is exactly what he did

Of course, just because you have a matrix doesn't mean you can't sense any key combination, you just need a bunch of diodes for it

Hahaha nice

Oh @Jon, this is a neat description of how key matrices work (linked from the earlier forum) pcbheaven.com/wikipages/How_Key_Matrices_Works

Yeah, i remember looking at that when I was building a Mame cabinet :)

oh man, nsfw.. it gets pretty ridiculous at the end there

forced interruptions suck

i agree

windows 10 solves this by scheduling reboots when you are most likely sleeping

because it knows when you sleep

yeah but what if you have unsaved things open, or something specific, you know?

and it's like yeah it's cool we'll just restart

windows 10 doesn't care about your work, it only cares about your likes and dislikes

absolutely dumb

see, that's fine, I don't mind that

some people don't close their computer ever

test

test again

but automatic stuff that you don't want to have happen, and have zero choice in saying "no don't do that", that makes for a horrible user experience

@Tyyppi_77 what if you just want to reboot quickly because windows is being windows again?

(did try to change nick)

servers that need to be run 24/7, and are perfectly capable of running 24/7

and along comes this stupid update

hahahaha I'm gonna restart and interrupt your flow, sucker!

now maybe

haha

People have to refresh the page mr @walkingBird

@Chris used to work at a server farm

had to come up with something, can't use default name forever :)

if they auto shutdown EVER, it would be a massive issue

I see walkinBird :D

@Jon exactly

Every single patch had to be done after taking a image of the server

at that level you are not to take chances.

this is why I think Microsoft, or at least their Windows division, is just shooting themselves in the foot

yeah definitely

Windows Server software doesn't auto force reboots

but home users? ha ha!

we know what's best

Home users that don't have Enterprise version

with Enterprise you can "Defer updates"

which still pull them

but you don't have to force them to install like the other versions

I hate my teacher. If he asks the class how to do X and one of the more experienced students comes up with a semi-advanced answer he ignores them and goes to the next student even though the first student was right.

Way to stomp on the smart guys and teach the new guys bad ways of doing stuff.

@Hjorthenify :(

Teacher doesn't want to be challeneged by the smart student

makes him look like his credentials are bad

That too

happened to me in college

lol

We had to make a method in a vector class

needs more scroll

I said:
Vector2 add(Vector2 v)
{
return new Vector2(v.x+x, v.y+y);
}

Well. Basically I said "just return a new vector where you pass x and y of the two vectors added together to the constructor"

Stared at me, went to the next student without a word.

...

lol

And he does this regularly for other students as well.

That's sucky

(the teacher)

probably v1+v2

Vector2 add(Vector2 v)
{
Vector2 V2;
V2 = new Vector2()
int newX = x+v.x;
int newY = y+v.y;
V2.x = newX;
V2.y = newY;
return V2;
}

Somewhat that

first year student code is what he wants man

Actually

you gotta dumb yourself down

also, why not just use vector math that is built in?

that function is pointless

There fixed the code

I mean.. Turning a 1-liner into a, well..

@Tyyppi_77 yeah that's what I was gonna ask =p

Why not just teach people the proper way of doing stuff to begin with?

So what if they don't get it. We have a teacher's assistant for two hours after the lecture. Ask him if you're in doubt ffs -.-

need to be longer man

Vector2 add(Vector2 v)
{

Vector2 V2;
int oldX;
int oldY;
int newX;
int newY

V2 = new Vector2()
newX = 0;
newY = 0;
oldX = this.x;
oldY = this.y;

newX = this.x + v.x;      //Add to the vector x value
newY = this.y + v.y;	  //Add to the vector y value

V2.x = newX;
V2.y = newY;

return V2;

}

Hahaha

lol

There, this does the same thing as your one liner -- and it WAYYY more clear

Add lots of comments

i was going to, but then I was like.. meh this is going to far

And debug outputs too for each step, just to be sure

People in my ImpProg class are still pretty confused by C pointers and arrays

Debug.WriteLine("My teacher is better than me.");

haha

And to be honest, the arrays are a bit weird

:s

@Jon "You forgot to initialize your ints to zero at the first 4 lines"

I hate comments like this

@Lokkij We're in Java.. Nothing like that. They haven't even taught us about arrays yet.

I tend to comment within methods where it feels like I'd get super confused if I tried to read and understand later on. But method names should always be self-expanatory as it is

JAVA THE HUTT

@Jon If there are in <summary> in C# I guess they are alright :P

yeah.. i guess...

I need to look at that summary stuff

i comment when something needs to be explained

It would probably be useful

Exactly

@Chris do ///

if you can read the code and understand it quickly, then I don't comment

Before a method in VS :)

And you'll see the magic

Lemme try

@Hjorthenify Our course is progressing pretty damn quickly.. people mostly know how to use things like pointers and functions, but they have no idea why and when to use them.

yeah, lol, its the built in intellisense stuff

Most of them have only been programming for three or four weeks though, so it's understandable.

@Jon I comment the shit out of my school programs even if they are easily understood, because it happens often that I need to explain it to a classmate and then I can just send them the code :P

I dunno, 3 years of SublimeText, I'm so used to having everything barebones in terms of helping myself

next thing you know, you are doing 5th dimensional math, and your teacher will assure you that it is important to learn

@Lokkij I wish ours was a swell

@Hjorthenify Nice, thank you

:)

@Hjorthenify when i was in university, they wanted us to have more comments than code

this was a long time ago

They kiiinda still want us to do that

but every line of our code had to have a comment to demonstrate that we knew wtf we were doing

Yeah its the same here still

its not about proper commenting, it is just a way for your teacher to see what you are doing

@Tyyppi_77 As long as the movement is easy to understand. Too many items with too many pixels, you'd want it fast.... Scrolling one item per scroll though, the transition of the movement wouldn't exist right? So ends up feeling too abrupt imo

Smooth scrolling vs harsh scrolling

plus some people's scroll sensitivity might be super high or something

well, seems to me you may or may not be smarter at coding than your teacher

having a mentor that sucks, really sucks

Hell my teacher wanted to speak with me after the first two assignments because he didn't believe I knew what I was doing.

haha

LOL, same thing happened to me, I was accused of cheating

:)

"you hackin the system, son?"

some random muslim submitted a very similar chunk of code as me

Well.. I can easily say that all of us in here are better than my lecturer.

I was like, I can't even pronounce his damn name, I have nothing to do with him

@Jon Yeah. I had to get up and explain about regex expressions last.

other students vouched for me

I think this guy might have stolen my assignment

@Tyyppi_77 They do torture in Finland, too?

not sure how though, but I might of left it open or something

@Hjorthenify That doesn't sound very fun.

I was offered a job at the community college to teach

I can safely say that my lecturer is probably better than most people in here. (depends on the area of course; he's probably crap at gamedev)

@Tyyppi_77 Its more like: "This is an integer" for the first 2 weeks

I never had really good programming teachers

they all lacked skills

old out of touch fools

I imagine a lot of the teachers out there are the same

@Tyyppi_77 Damn you. I couldn't skip this one.

those who can't do -- teach

I had one teacher that wrote his own JavaScript IDE, he was pretty onto things, though his pre-test examples were always exactly the same as his proper tests, so studying was super easy hahaha

More like the 15th time telling people that Dim is not a thing in C#.

ByVal!!!

Fuck that keyword.

For real.

lol, VB has some questionable syntax

VB is supposed to be "readable"

you can also ReDim

lol

@Tyyppi_77 I asked and they said straight up no

AndAlso

AndAlso is actually important

Narrowing

Shadows

@Tyyppi_77 Well.. I can't really just not show up for class

GoTo shudder

:D

@Blue We we're talking about loops today.

the original implementation of vb.net didn't have andAlso

in .net 1.0

I said we had forgotten goto after the teacher refused that foreach can be classified as a loop variant

it would check every single statement on your line -- so you had to split it up into different logical statements

Have any of you done any UML diagrams?

Gotta love loops.

UML diagrams are not for me.

public double withdraw (double amount, double fee)
   {
      amount += fee;

      if (amount < 0)  // withdraw value is negative
      {
         System.out.println ();
         System.out.println ("Error: Withdraw amount is invalid.");
         System.out.println ("Account: " + acctNumber);
         System.out.println ("Requested: " + fmt.format(amount));
      }
      else
         if (amount > balance)  // withdraw value exceeds balance
         {
            System.out.println ();
            System.out.println ("Error: Insufficient funds.");

Another example of bade code we're given...

UML diagrams are helpful, if you roughly know what to you want to do

Beat up numbers?

It's like semi-RNG combat

.. don't mention RNG combat :P I've had bad experience with it lately..

D:

I gave hearthstone a try. It was interesting at first, but then RNG happened

yeah that game's RNG hacks me off

Yeah. Knowing you have that one card in your deck which will give you the victory and not getting it while the other player seems to get everything he needs.

lol

and then all these new cards come out and I just can't be bothered

crafting decks

@Tyyppi_77 You mean to tell me that Finns don't just drink VODKA?! D:

EXACTLY

hurry up and level up man

Last Finn I spoke to in person told me that coffee is for 65+ :P

hahaha

It wasn't @Lasse :P

Yup. She came from Helsinki. Maybe that's why.

(same person who taught me "ihana" and some other Finish words)

Oh cool

Those are all cities or districts?

How sø?

Explain?

Oh wow.

I never thought og Finland ikke that :P

Cool

Haha xD