Game Development

Almo

18:00

but it's about your favorite subject ;)

Icy Defiance

doesn't mean I want to play a game about it

Almo

Just thought you might find the choices and exploration of the topic interesting

I'll probably give it a shot

I'm on the Exposure mask viewer in TIS 100

argh

the guy who did the droid version of lowdown is playing, and one of his solutions was SUPER fast

like, toasted everyone on my leaderboard

Icy Defiance

see, I play games for fun, not for life lessons, and I just don't find that type of game to be fun. thanks for the recommendation, though. if nothing else, it might be interesting to see what kind of headlines that game makes.

Almo

:D

tereško

@Almo I will have to wait till it's on sale

Jon

18:14

tereško

you cannot really afford to buy games at full price in eastern europe

Almo

it's a surprisingly interesting game

tereško

it's in my wishlist

Jon

in game shots.. friggen insane

The introduction is pretty damn impressive

Joe

18:31

what are we looking at?

Jon

metal gear solid

Joe

WUHHHHH? rly?

Almo

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@Jon there will be easier me playing 1v1 with you as soon as that hits :)

Jon

yeah

next version will allow PC users to filter out PS4

Almo

18:53

some whiners not happy about slumming it with the console guys?

Jon

I think it is more because the chat

Almo

ok

Jon

19:03

man my pc rocks

i might buy some 140mm fans for some exhausts on the top

Almo

:)

Jon

3 goals

got MVP woop woop

Almo

:D

Jon

19:20

look at the time..

@Almo we should play 2 on 2, team

Almo

yeah that would be cool too

TheMuffinCoder

@Hjorthenify lol i haven't forgotten

I just have to get through my first week back to school

I'll make some models this friday/weekend

Today I'm going to help my friend get started on learning to program

Going to get him to learn HTML/CSS first and then javaScript

Krom Stern

@TheMuffinCoder sounds like a good start

TheMuffinCoder

thx! :D

I'm going to use Codecademy for him to use

user4704

@Jon I thought the intro was exceedingly weak and lame and I'm glad it's over.

Almo

19:25

I played one or two MGS games (2 and 4 I think) briefly, and the Japanese-video-game-style dialog just turns me off.

user4704

MGSV is way better at that.

Almo

I preferred Splinter Cell (first one) over the concurrent MGS game

glad to hear it josh :)

Jon

yeah, splinter cell

user4704

I generally love them in spite of the story these days, because I think the plot is too out there and desperately needs an editor.

Almo

I also liked Splinter Cell's lack of videogamey stuff. You see a camera. No idea what its cone of view is, just get past it.

user4704

19:26

But V has surprisingly little dialog and most of it is reasonable.

user4704

Snake almost has too little dialog. It's odd.

Almo

:)

user4704

There's a lot of moments where it's very weird that he's just standing there not saying anything.

user4704

The later MGS games have done away with the visible-cone-of-view thing too.

Almo

oh that's good to hear

user4704

19:28

V's main gimmick is you can know where an enemy is, regardless of position on the map, if you have previously marked him and are standing still for a moment.

user4704

It's a bit sci fi, but it works pretty well and strikes a good balance; you get a payoff for scouting and studying the area, essentially, but it's still pretty easy to lose them while you actually wander in and get discovered as you turn a corner.

user4704

It's a really great game.

user4704

Outside of the that stupid prologue.

user4704

...and the R&D platform target practice mission, which is a disaster.

Jon

blam

Almo

19:31

got some assists too!

nice one

Jon

yeah i was on fire that round lol

Almo

So in your opinion, did I overhype the game?

Jon

naw, best sports game of the year by far

Almo

;)

Jon

I tried War Thunder

the arial combat is ridiculous

Jon

19:46

awwww yeeeee

OMGtechy

any C++ folks around?

Almo

me

but i doubt I can help ;)

OMGtechy

aha

Pip

welp

OMGtechy

can only try :P

Pip

19:53

first day of school over

Wasn't bad actually

Almo

ask away man :)

OMGtechy

some_type<class T> variable_name;

^ ever seen that syntax before? It's at the callsite

like, why is the class keyword even there at the callsite

Almo

looks like some_type is a template for a type

not sure how that works though

OMGtechy

@Pip awesome :D

@Almo indeed, I have code that works but I'd like to know wtf it's doing aha

Almo

haha yeah

OMGtechy

19:55

I've never seen "class T" passed as a template arg

only some concrete type

Almo

hmmm

I've worked with templates so seldom

OMGtechy

it's in some code that uses a shitload of template metaprogramming

don't know what to google for it

Almo

template <class T>
class Stack {
  private:
    vector<T> elems;     // elements

  public:
    void push(T const&);  // push element
    void pop();               // pop element
    T top() const;            // return top element
    bool empty() const{       // return true if empty.
        return elems.empty();
    }
};

so you mean that you recognize

OMGtechy

Yeah I'm familiar with templates in general

Joe

best meeting I've ever had... boss shows up with a twelve pack and passes them out... WIN!

Almo

19:56

because it's part of the definition?

OMGtechy

@Joe nice ahaha

Almo

but your example has class T not in a defintition of a template, but at a use point

Joe

sleeps rest of the day

OMGtechy

@Almo yeah I've done some template metaprogramming of my own before, SFINAE and all that goodness, but this is something I've never seen

Think I'll ask on C++ chat

Almo

oooh

they'll kick your ass for not already knowing the answer

Pip

19:58

@Joe lol

OMGtechy

@Almo wish me luck then aha

@Almo turns out it's called an elaborate type specifier

Almo

o_0

user4704

@OMGtechy sometimes the compiler cannot tell if an ID names a type

OMGtechy

in this case it's making an entirely new type o_o

user4704

for example if the name is a dependent name

OMGtechy

20:05

do you mean as in typename on dependant types?

user4704

Yes, that's one case.

OMGtechy

this bit of code is full on making a new type somehow

C++, you surprise me every day

user4704

Elaborated type specifiers are another (although they don't have ot create new types names, they only do that if they don't find a previous type that was otherwise hidden)

user4704

see also en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/elaborated_type_specifier

OMGtechy

thanks :)

Pip

20:24

@Jon source?

Icy Defiance

I saw news a while ago that they were going to switch and I linked it here

too lazy to find your source though

playing infinifactory and this puzzle is going to make me angry

Pip

lol

Alright then, google it is

Joe

some of you may have beaten me to the punch... but Unity 5.2 is out: blogs.unity3d.com/2015/09/08/…

Pip

yeah I found it already

Looks fantastic

Joe

im pissed that i still dont have a mac VS lol... or what i mean is a MonoDevelop Killer yet

Pip

20:29

Though.... @Jon, @Hjor, and @TheMuffinCoder and I are all going to work on some Unreal Engine thing in the near future, since none of us have had any experience with it

@Joe you mean.... Xamarin Studio?

Joe

for the jam?

Pip

Probably not

Joe

@Pip c# Mac editor that beats Mono? ill download it right now

Pip

Xamarin Studio is the proprietary version of MD

Joe

is licensed or free? looks free

Pip

20:32

free

Joe

sure lets try it, my problem is... how did i not realize this was a thing before today

Pip

No idea

Joe

its all your fault @Pip

Pip

lol

Hjorthenify

Hello peeps

Pip

20:39

sup Hjor

I'm installing UE as we speak

Joe

2 days ago, by Jon

if you can cast, yer a wizard

string userName = (string)101010; // IM A WIZARD!

OMGtechy

grr casts

Pip

hahaha Techy is now the bane of casts

OMGtechy

yes, yes I am

especially when they look like c-style casts

even though it's c#

Pip

could be C++ if you do using namespace std;

OMGtechy

20:44

then you're in even more trouble

Pip

:D

OMGtechy

:P

Hjorthenify

@Pip Nice :) I'll get to it this weekend I hope

Pip

sounds good

Hjorthenify

@OMGtechy (void*)const_cast(variable)

2

OMGtechy

20:48

@Hjorthenify I WILL BURN YOU

Hjorthenify

Hahahahaha

Pip

hahaha that's awesome

OMGtechy

c-style cast does const_cast anyway

sometimes

Hjorthenify

Oh really?

OMGtechy

Yep, it does the following ...

const_cast
static_cast
static_cast + const_cast
reinterpret_cast
reinterpret_cast + const_cast

Hjorthenify

20:50

O_o

OMGtechy

and this is why you should not use a c-style cast

Hjorthenify

Oooo

I just remembered something REALLY hacky

@OMGtechy
//Reset to default values:
memset((void*)somestruct, 0, sizeof(MyStruct))

OMGtechy

if it's a POD I'm pretty sure that's fine

Hjorthenify

POD?

OMGtechy

457

Q: What are POD types in C++?

I've come across this term POD-type a few times... what does it mean?

they got renamed in C++11 I think but the term sticks around

Hjorthenify

20:56

Ah

Wait.. So my method is actually okay?

OMGtechy

so long as it remains a POD

Hjorthenify

Amazing

OMGtechy

in C++11 you're safe with even more than that IIRC

Hjorthenify

How so?

OMGtechy

it allows explicitly defaulted constructors and destructors, and some other stuff I think

Hjorthenify

21:01

Ahh

Pip

UE has a nicer interface than Unity IMHO

Looking good so far, can't wait to get into playing with actual code and a scene

Almo

UE has a nicer _____ than Unity.

2

Fill in the blank with whatever engine feature you want.

Pip

fair enough

Hjorthenify

@Pip Woooh!

Almo

The more I work with Unity, the less I like it, but the more I can accomplish with it.

6

Hjorthenify

21:04

^

Jon

damn unity

Pip

So... @MickLH I just got an email from Himax. 50 bucks for a LCOS display, 1000 for something called an "EVB" which I have no idea what that is

Jon

so my son caught a fish all by himself

like, alone at a dock, catches a fish

So i got that fishing game on steam, lol -- i figure he'll play it

Anybody here have Windows 10?

Almo

not me

Pip

I do not

OMGtechy

21:11

@Jon I do

not on it right now but I do have it

Jon

@OMGtechy hwinfo.com/misc/RemoveW10Bloat.htm

The change to the host file is futile from what I read

but it can't hurt

OMGtechy

ah thanks, but I'm fine with it as it is :)

Jon

I just noticed processes that use my network and cpu

Especially Cortana -- even when disabled

I just see it as a tweak to preserve my CPU cycles and network access

Hjorthenify

@Jon I do

Jon

Spaceballs - Ludacris Speed

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Pip

21:22

@MickLH Since Himax didn't want to give me stuff, I contacted HoloEye to see if they would

Jon

You should contact Corsair and ask for free stuff

Pip

probably because I'm a US student and their hq is in China

Jon

they are known to give out free swag

Pip

What would I be able to get free from Corsair? There isn't really anything that I could ask for as a student

Jon

email and say you are a student, and you are building a new pc with the help of your parents, and that you wonder if they could send you stickers or something

or if you are feeling ballsy, ask directly for ram

if you properly formulate your letter, and the right person reads it.. you might get some cool shit

don't lie though

if you get free ram, that is 100$ off your PC build

specify you are doing a z97 build or something.. so they can send you DDR3, or skylake for DDR4 :P

probably better chances at the DDR3

@Pip I'm in love with my PC lol -- You should go for a 4GB video card

my only regret at this point

Pip

21:29

I don't really need one :D

Remember... I'm a high school student

Jon

my 2GB card runs games maxed

Pip

anything is a step up from this integrated AMD APU

awesome

Jon

but when it comes to high def textures, that is where the RAM is nice

Pip

Yeah I'm probably going for 16gb

Jon

Might even suggest AMD with a fatter Power supply

since nvidia messed up their DX12 implementation

Pip

21:31

nah, I'm going Intel/Nvidia

I've been playing with CUDA for robotics, looks like something I could use

Jon

nice

Vulkan is apparently going to lead the way

Vulkan (API)

Vulkan is a low-overhead, cross-platform 3D graphics and compute API first announced at GDC 2015 by the Khronos Group. The Vulkan API was initially referred to as the "next generation OpenGL initiative" or simply "glNext" by Khronos, but use of those names were discontinued once the Vulkan name was announced. Like OpenGL, Vulkan targets high-performance realtime 3D graphics applications such as games and interactive media across all platforms, and offers higher performance and lower CPU usage, much like Direct3D 12 and Mantle. In addition to its lower CPU usage, Vulkan is also able to bette...

Pip

yeah it's looking pretty nice at the moment

Jon

which has massive support from AMD

Pip

true

but.... Nvidia

Jon

is dying

Pip

21:33

I'm probably interning there this coming summer

Jon

unfortunately.. AMD is taking the edge now

aside from power consumption

Pip

meh

Jon

AMD has a very promising future

I know man

I'm also a fanboy of nvidia

But man, they miss-stepped a lot lately

Pip

yeah a bit. I'm sure their stock is feeling it

OMGtechy

wow, really? Last I checked AMD were looking very bad against NVIDIA. being beaten on every metric from price to performance

man boost spirit x3 is immense

Almo

21:45

8

Q: Why do we have to wait for I/O?

It's always been known that Disk operations are slow and we know the reasons why they are slow. So the question here is why do we have to wait for I/O or why is there such a thing as IOWait, etc.? I mean I've noticed that when you're doing some I/O tasks in the background, your computer basical...

cpu io operations

my comment requires upvote

OMGtechy

I refuse

Almo

Jon

22:21

Eye-yooooooo

Hjorthenify

Yoooooooooooooooooo-eye

Chris

22:45

yoooo

TEddyBEaR

bought stingray.

learning maya

should be entertaining

Jon

Nice

tereško

23:12

@Almo what is that supposed to be?

Almo

That's the I/O tower from the first Tron movie

the CG in that movie still looks cool today, shame the story is so dumb :(

they used Cray supercomputers to render it

TEddyBEaR

tron, awesome movie.

tereško

well, my life-changing movie was "Hackers" ... I really have no leg to stand on here

TEddyBEaR

`1995

tereško

yes

TEddyBEaR

23:14

loved that movie

Almo

:)

Chris

Unity five point two is out: unity3d.com/unity/whats-new/unity-5.2

Jon

TEddyBEaR

lol

Jon

This changed your life

I was hacking when this movie came out

TEddyBEaR

23:29

I was too young.

Jon

And I was annoyed at the amount of bullshit that started after this movie back in the day

So many wannabees

Chris

haha

Jon

They all thought hacking was cool

TEddyBEaR

BoTs

Jon

Botnets were a big deal

TEddyBEaR

23:30

I think i was loading bots on battle net when this movie was out

Jon

Still are

TEddyBEaR

middleschool

yeah. i love bots.

Jon

I knew a guy in the 90s that had 300 bot botnet from various domains

You could spoof from anywhere

Chris

It must be a power thrill

Jon

But mainly you could dos anyone

Chris

23:31

knowing you have all these devices under your control

Jon

It is quite the thing

TEddyBEaR

It would be cool to find an exploit and enslave thousands of computers.

Jon

We would spend evenings taking over irc chat rooms

Trying to take over top channels

Back then there was no chanserve

Other times we installed back doors on pcs

When they came on irc we owned their pc

TEddyBEaR

nice

Chris

heh

Jon

23:36

I also did courier services for old school warez FTP sites

Was called fxp

Pip

fucking school software bullshit

Jon

lol, my friend got suspended for installing Cult of the dead cow software on the school pcs

Back Orifice (often shortened to BO) is a computer program designed for remote system administration. It enables a user to control a computer running Microsoft Windows operating system from a remote location. The name is a pun on Microsoft BackOffice Server software. The program debuted at DEF CON 6 on August 1, 1998. It was the brainchild of Sir Dystic. According to the group, its purpose was to demonstrate the lack of security in Microsoft's operating system Windows 98.[38]

this

i hacked high school people's emails and shit

i was a total badass on pc in the 90s lol

TEddyBEaR

I don't know much about it, it's just interested me my whole life.

Jon

i had dial up accounts from all ISPs for free

TEddyBEaR

I play with nmap

Jon

23:42

like 10 each

TEddyBEaR

thats pretty cool

Jon

nmap very powerful port scanner

TEddyBEaR

yeh, i got the book on it.

i suppose its a lot more entertaining with the scripting engine

the matrix is another good one.

Jon

its a tool to help discover networks, and vulnerabilities on those networks

TEddyBEaR

had a difficult time discovering os types

always returns uncertain

Jon

23:45

How to Delid your Haswell CPU (Vice Method) i5-4670k / i7-4770k - Before and After Temps Comparison

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holy shit why?

Chris

I was 15 when my dad took me to see The Matrix, and we didn't go to the movies much... was quite impactful, very cool

Jon

My gf never watched The Matrix

Or Indiana Jones... or Star Wars... Or Gremlins... Or Ghostbusters

Chris

my wife and I have watched all the Indiana Jones films. She refuses to watch Star Wars though, just doesn't interest her hah

to the point that it's now her mission never to watch it, just out of spite hahahaha

I'm gonna get my daughter to watch them all with me when she's a bit older though

Jon

my son watched it when he was 2

all 3

lol

Chris

nice

Jon

23:50

The original ones of course

Chris

I wonder how I should go about it

Jon

how old?

Chris

she turns 4 years in December

Jon

i put them on, and he loved it

so i just went with it

he thinks star wars is awesome now -- and the new movie coming out is gonna be epic

Chris

She likes Angry Birds Star Wars, so that's something at least in the meantime :p

Jon

23:52

disney with jj abrams

:O~~~

Chris

I like the franchise

haha

Jon

yeah thank fully he sold it

Disney is taking over man.. . look at their recent aquisitions

Chris

yeah

Jon

marvel, pixar, lucasfilms

Chris

There was a senior dude from Pixar that talked at my recent gamedev meetup actually, was very cool

Jon

23:53

and that star wars purchase was for indiana jones too

Chris

the amount of server farms they use to try and get all the frames rendered and stuff, pretty crazy

yeah totally

Jon

oh man, the original toy story

Chris

I mean at Disneyland the other week, we watched a Star Wars live performance

Jon

I remember watching a behind the scene thing about this... the scenes would render overnight

in this ridiculous server farm

Chris

Star Wars merch in the shops heh

Jon

23:54

scenes were set up during the day -- then they would review them the next day

fix it up.. wait for next day

until it was a movie

Chris

this guy, Chris Ford, was saying typically a decent frame, maybe 24 hours I think. Give or take. Cuz basically the longer you render, the better it looks, but the longer it takes, so you have to find the happy medium of how much noise do you want to remove from the frame

Jon

Toy Story -- when it came out it was the most amazing piece of PC rendering ever created

Pip

@Jon all three of those? nice!

Chris

yeah Toy Story was the first

Jon

It blew everything else away

there was this tv show called Reboot

Chris

23:56

yep

Jon

at the time it was innovative bleeding edge

same time toy story came out

you can compare

TEddyBEaR

I liked toy story

Jon

lol, everyone loves toy story

in toy story 3, when you see the dog is super old

i can relate to the dog

Chris

that's the thing with movies - can appeal to everyone. they look cool, you get a mix of emotions, not like games where it's just a bunch of frustration at the best of times hahaha

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