Game Development

Almo

01:18

@Chris #if ! isn't how you do preprocessor

#ifndef

if it's ignoring the if, that's probably why

Chris

ah, nah I was editing the wrong file

Almo

hahah

Chris

thing is, I have no idea why it couldn't find what it was complaining about, tried looking into it but mehhhhhhhh

and then like 30+ files I'd have to change

Almo

hahaha

Chris

so I could maybe publish

and get a few measly sales

Almo

01:23

people with new shit like Windows Store need to make it PAINFULLY easy to work with.

Chris

since everyone on desktop has Steam anyway lol

3

Almo

pertty much

Chris

WinRT, Win8, 8.1, 10,. Universal, just wat

I've at least applied to MS for the ID@Xbox programme, which acutely says you can just use the XDK and that's what Unity supports, without getting into any touchscreen malarky

yeah if something's not easy to get into, I just give up, honestly

can't be arsed hahaha

I looked at getting my linux version on the Ubuntu store months ago

and you had to go through all these hoops to create a package using various command line commands, weird file formats, and it's like - can't I just throw it into one app and let it spit out what I want?

cuz that's basically what I do with iOS and Android, and it's fine. but yeah, too much effort for small gain and various headaches, not for me

Pip

01:53

@Chris that sucks. Don't try it. Oh wait, too late. :P

Tallowmere is a great game, good to know you're succeeding with it.

I find this pretty funny: thefederalistpapers.org/us/…

Anyway, night all. Heading to bed since I have my first day of school tomorrow

Almo

03:05

@Chris Linux is the BEST OS though, right?

(it's shit like that which is why I avoid it)

Ali.S

04:06

@Almo shouldn't they both work?

Chris

05:01

I will say I'm glad I have options

get to pick and choose my poisons

Hjorthenify

09:48

One bug down, 4 new appeared :(

Jon

its a damn hydra

you need to take them all out at once

Hjorthenify

Right!
*deletes project*

Don't click on my profile

Jon

i made up this story for my son at bedtime a while back, about a monster with 7 heads

i should of said 3 heads, because it took forever

Hjorthenify

My bugs are exceptions being thrown from duplicate keys, which shouldn't be there -.-

Jon

09:52

i dreamt i was a stand up comic last night, on some reality tv show

and I had to make up a bit on the spot

i did this bit about a discount for cats at mcdonalds

it wasn't funny

Don't click on my profile

did your dream audience laugh tho?

Jon

yeah

i remember trying to associate something funny with chicken / nuggets / cat in my head

Don't click on my profile

Well, that's good. When I dream I always have nightmares xD

Jon

but I coudln't come up with anything

Don't click on my profile

Can you do it now, outside of the dream? :D

Let us hear a joke with chicken / nuggets and a cat.

Hjorthenify

09:57

I dreamt about the solution to the major bug I had in my optimization code.. I applied it today and it worked :P

Jon

hmmm

I do'nt think I can

Don't click on my profile

It would have been cooler if you was the chicken in the dream

Jon

would have been cooler if I would of actually thought of a hilarious joke

Don't click on my profile

True

Pip

11:11

morning all

It's my first day of school... bleh

@TheMuffinCoder have fun on yours!

Hjorthenify

Eclipse is awful..

Pip

yes, yes it is

Hjorthenify

11:36

@Pip 2nd week of school

:D

Pip

have fun XD

Jon

my son's first day of school too

just dropped him off

lots of hot milfs dayum

Hjorthenify

CodeJudge(program testing service) just said my program is wrong because the site doesn't handle Exceptions properly -.-

Jon

And his teacher is hella hot too

might have to ask for some one on one parent teacher meetings late at night

Don't click on my profile

lmao Jon you even single :D?

Jon

11:42

naw i have a girlfriend

i just want to ensure my son has good education

Don't click on my profile

ah I see :D Good guy Jon

Jon

lol exactly :)

a teacher is so easy to flirt with though.. I mean you have so much material

Don't click on my profile

11:53

Ok as I am a student I never flirted with teachers. But someday I might need it so tell us dumbos what to do :D

Jon

heh, how old are ya?

Don't click on my profile

20

Jon

cool, that is a good age

you got your whole life ahead of you

don't be stupid

Joe

i would say get the stupid out of the way at least

dont be stupid forever

lol

Jon

in my frist year of college, there was an older guy looking over the college as I was walking to my car

I asked him, not sure why, but I did, ask him if he had any advice for me

he said "Fuck em all"

Don't click on my profile

12:04

Man I have a girlfriend since 2 years. Like I really lover her but that buggs me sometimes as well :D Like I can't "Fuck em all" anymore. But she is more important than them other hoes :P

Joe

you only really get to go to college once is what someone told me, basically the same advice

Jon

College is a place to experiment

figure yourself out

His advice wasn't very good

Hjorthenify

12:21

How do I define a method in Java without the use of {} ?

Kevin van der Velden

You don't

Wait java not javascript. You probably don't

Hjorthenify

I can get a bonus if I figure it out

(bonus is beer i need to do this!)

Kevin van der Velden

Yes, lambdas it is!

36     Function<Person, String> easternStyle =  p -> "\nName: " + p.getSurName() + " "
37             + p.getGivenName() + "\n" + "Age: " + p.getAge() + "  " +
38             "Gender: " + p.getGender() + "\n" +
39             "EMail: " + p.getEmail() + "\n" +
40             "Phone: " + p.getPhone() + "\n" +
41             "Address: " + p.getAddress();

tutorials.jenkov.com/java/lambda-expressions.html

Hjorthenify

Needs to be a method

Ooo

I get it now

Jon

oh fuck please don't write shit like that

Hjorthenify

12:28

Its a task from the teacher...

Jon

eek

Kevin van der Velden

@Jon lambdas are very useful in certain cases

Jon

I asked my .net teacher why you had to do .ToString()

to convert a integer to a string

Long time ago

Hjorthenify

Did he say var+"";

Jon

He said "Because you have to"

Kevin van der Velden

12:29

The example I listed is not one of them but shows the syntax

@Jon "DON'T QUESTION THE GODS OF C# JON!"

Jon

LOL

I came from a C++ / Assembly background, so I really wanted to know how crap worked

He fell short at explaining things

Kevin van der Velden

Heh

Jon

got drunk with him after graduation

Kevin van der Velden

Though the reason is the same as the reason in C++, it's a strongly typed language and an int isn't a string =p

Jon

found out he was a dick

kept saying sexual things about one of the girls in our class

Ali.S

12:31

Don't click on my profile

what the fuuuuuu

Ali.S

preparing myself for the release...

Jon

cool @Ali.S

what did you use for analytics?

Kevin van der Velden

@Ali.S ooooooooh charts

Ali.S

@Jon I seriously don't understand the question... it's like asking: "why do you use std::to_string"?

@Jon my own codes?

Jon

12:33

LOL, the question was stupid

It was like on day 1

Ali.S

seriously wrote everything on my own

Jon

The charts too?

Ali.S

@Jon I'm just surprised why didn't she answer you similarly?

Jon

what libs?

Ali.S

@Jon charts are based on "CanvasJS"

Jon

12:34

The right answer would have been -- Because Integer is not a string

different type

in order to use an integer as a string, you need to convert it

Ali.S

@Jon cURL for submitting the info. php/mysql on server side

Jon

Saying "Because you have to" doesn't explain shit

Ali.S

@Jon I simply assumed the one questioning knows that much...

Jon

@Ali.S you a one man team here?

Kevin van der Velden

@Jon a better answer would have gone (a little bit) in to the difference between strongly typed and weakly typed languages

Ali.S

12:35

but your answer is complete

@Jon code-wise yep, there are two people drawing the stuff, one did the musics, and one designed more than half of levels

Hjorthenify

@KevinvanderVelden Can't get it to work -.-

Jon

Yeah, basically he didn't have a good understanding of .net so he couldn't properly explain things.

Ali.S

I designed remaining levels too (it's a puzzle game)

Kevin van der Velden

@Hjorthenify what are you trying to do? =p

Jon

Yeah I saw screenshots, can't install it as i don't have your lame store

looks cool

Hjorthenify

12:37

@KevinvanderVelden Get the min of 3 numbers(trivial) but without {} and only with 1 ;

Ali.S

but's it's so damn hard (I think)

Jon

I want to try it

Ali.S

then install the market already ;)

Jon

Iranian markets suck!! :)

Ali.S

right now the game feels kinda immature for the google play

and I don't have play store developer account :(

Jon

12:38

Man, I need to get back into game dev -- I put it aside for like a month now

ah, its 50$

err... 30$? I don't remember

Ali.S

for someone who has a way of paying online... for me it's something like infinity :D

Hjorthenify

@Jon Don't forget the project with me, @TheMuffinCoder and @Pip

Almo

@Ali.S Wasn't sure. :)

Jon

hehe, I know @Hjorthenify not sure if I have time for it though

Hjorthenify

:/

Jon

12:42

I kinda wanna work on this space taxi clone now

Kevin van der Velden

@Hjorthenify I can't find any predefined java.util.function things that take 3 arguments unfortunately: stackoverflow.com/questions/18400210/…

Hjorthenify

I tried to do that, but you have to call .apply

Jon

I kinda wish I had someone to create levels for my block game

I'm so not motivated to make any more....

And I need to make like 70 more

Hjorthenify

@Jon RNG

Jon

wut?

Kevin van der Velden

12:47

Make a procedural level generator for your game :D

Jon

Miyamoto on World 1-1: How Nintendo made Mario's most iconic level

►

Ah... it doesn't really work like that... the levels need to be tested over and over

Hjorthenify

@KevinvanderVelden Yup!

Jon

you need to be clever with the mechanics

I broke down the physical mechanics in some drawings here

Kevin van der Velden

@Jon yeah, I was mainly saying what @Hjorthenify was thinking =p

Jon

trying to figure out all the variations

but making it actually procedural... that would be ridiculous

That video is pretty awesome

Hjorthenify

12:51

The solution is to this task is probably really simple, but I don't know the syntax -.-

Hjorthenify

13:34

@KevinvanderVelden "Solved it" you were allowed to use {} for the method's body

Kevin van der Velden

@Hjorthenify ookay then

Hjorthenify

Yeah.. Easy

Kevin van der Velden

So it's just chaining Math.min then

Or whatever the java equivalent of that is

Hjorthenify

Yeah

Which was the first thing I did, but then I read the bonus question

Almo

13:57

@Jon Yeah, this is why I don't design games that require level design. ;)

Jon

I need to get a HDMI to DVI cable

Almo

Would love to see the space taxi game.

Jon

my damn monitors don't have HDMI ... da frig

I guess if they don't have speakers, DVI makes sense.

Kevin van der Velden

Also (double link) DVI is higher resolution IIRC

Yeah: Dual Link: 2560 × 1600 (WQXGA) @ 60 Hz

Jon

HDMI / DVI is actually the same thing -- except HDMI has audio

Kevin van der Velden

13:58

Nope not really

Jon

Display Port is what you should use if you are going with high res like that

Kevin van der Velden

HDMI also has ethernet and encryption

Jon

DualLink I don't even know what that is

Kevin van der Velden

-.-

Jon

I guess I should look into what port is best to use.. since this card has 5 of them

Kevin van der Velden

13:59

SVG y u no work?

Jon

2 display ports / 2 hdmi / 1 dvi

Kevin van der Velden

There we go

Jon

ah ok.. well then I have DVI-Dual Link

shit, I need to make sure I buy the correct cable then

30$+tax at best buy --- 20$ with shipping and tax included from NCIX

Kevin van der Velden

(The DVI-I versus DVI-D bit is whether they can also transfer VGA)

(DVI-D being purely digital)

Jon

I am more than likely going to be buying a 4K monitor early next year

MOAR PIXELZ!

Kevin van der Velden

14:02

MOAR PIXELZ FOR THE PIXEL GOD

Jon

@Almo SPACE TAXI!!!! REVIVED!!!!!!!

Kevin van der Velden

Huh, displayport also supports audio

Jon

Space Cabby

DisplayPort is the shizzle

Kevin van der Velden

The video portion of displayport is technically optional...

Jon

it is supposed to be the new standard

replacing DVI/VGA

Kevin van der Velden

14:04

More like, displayport... without video

Oooh displayport can actually go up to 4k

Jon

It is a competitor to HDMI if I am not mistaken

Kevin van der Velden

I.e. 4320p

Jon

yeah everyone is saying display port if you are running multiple monitors

or have a high res monitor

Apparently it is the better one to use.

Kevin van der Velden

Displayport is useful for chaining

Jon

I haven't read anything about it aside from people's comments

But it has been around for a while now

Kevin van der Velden

14:06

I have it and am using it! To convert directly to DVI for my monitors

I have 0 monitors that support it (out of 3)

Jon

lol

quite frankly.. if I can get a 4K monitor.. I think I would only need 1

since it is essentially 4 x1080p monitors

Kevin van der Velden

Are you one of those people that don't maximize windows?

Or do you run linux with wmii or some other tiling manager?

If no to both: Then it is not the same at all

Jon

naw, depends what I am working on

I have 2 monitors right now, and I know what you are saying

Kevin van der Velden

I like the table analogy: That plan is switching to a desk that's 4 times as large, so you can fill it with 1 piece of paper at a time

You'll still have to switch between pieces of paper which is slow

Jon

I used that at my work... comparing a monitor to a carpenter's workbench

the larger the work surface, the more efficient I can be

I got a second monitor like a year later

Kevin van der Velden

14:10

Heh

If I'm interviewing for a job, one of the questions I'll ask is about monitors. If I've seen they don't have dual monitors I'll ask why not

Jon

What about cubicle hammocks? why don't you have those?

Or beer bottle openers under the desk above the thrash can? Why don't you ahve those?

Kevin van der Velden

Because they haven't been shown to nearly double programmer performance?

Jon

clearly you don't know about ballmer's peak

You scrum at work?

Kevin van der Velden

Heh, we follow the path of "EVERYTHING DO IT NOW AAH I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT PLANNING IS"

Jon

Haha, that is pretty much where I am at right now

Work overload.

today.. they asked to separate a drop down box into two

Do you even realize how much work that is? lol

Kevin van der Velden

14:15

No they don't, and part of your job is to educate them on that =p

Jon

Need a new proc created -- need to modify the existing proc to return only 1 set of data. Need to create dataaccess code for the new proc. need to modify the UI to have a new drop down, with translation. Need to call the data layer and fill the new UI elements.

To them it is.. split it in two.. baddabingbaddaboom

Unity is now bundling with VSCommunity

2

Kevin van der Velden

RIP monodevelop

Jon

not quite -- they now have a Linux Editor

Kevin van der Velden

14:36

Monodevelop has always been cross platform

Jon

I mean Unity Editor has a linux build now

And it uses MonoDevelop on LInux as VSCommunity doesn't have a Linux version

Kevin van der Velden

Oooh alright

Hjorthenify

@Jon About time!

Jon

Agreed

Kevin van der Velden

Hmm hometime, cya chat!

Almo

15:15

@KevinvanderVelden I am

Jon

15:27

anyone know how to remove cortana service from windows 10?

I mean, I turned off everything, yet the service cannot be stopped

And it is using my network for some reason

Almo

there are some questions on superuser about it, i think

Smite is still win-only :( would like to try it.

Jon

so

if you stop the service, then rename the folder under C:\Windows\SystemApps

it effectively kills cortana service

My guess is microsoft fixes this with updates

But then you cannot search anymore

I will take it -- fuck searching

if it is going to force collect data in the background and send over the net without my consent, then I don't want your fucken dirty search

hwinfo.com/misc/RemoveW10Bloat.htm

give this to everyone that is using windows 10, lol

Almo

muck ficrosoft

Jon

You are the product.

Quite frankly... buying windows 10 would make no sense.

because its like saying.. yeah i'll gladly fork over 200 dollars to get spied on in every possibly fucking form

our lady peace coming here on new years eve

If I can manage to get tickets thats gonna sell out so fast

user4704

16:08

-6

Q: How do you publish Construct 2 games on Windows 10?

How do you export a Construct 2 game to Windows 10's new Universal format and then publish to the Windows Store?

user4704

How do you folks feel about this kind of thing?

Ali.S

I don't see why should it receive so many down votes?

seems legit question to me

user4704

Read it more carefully.

user4704

All of it.

Ali.S

the question itself seems legit

Jon

16:12

its too long to read.

So basically the guy posted the question, and answered it himself

Is that frowned upon?

I guess it would be since he is directing people to his youtube channel

Ali.S

and the answer too... but it's obviously an advertisement

I guess it kinda belongs to self-documentary type of post encouraged by SO

user4704

He posted the question, immediately self-answered, and works for one of the company's involved.

user4704

It's got a few spam flags.

user4704

I don't think it qualifies as spam, but I also don't think it plays well with the spirit of the guidelines for self-answering.

Ali.S

I know, it's not welcome, but mostly because of moral issues. I mean it's not really something prohibited by rules, right?

user4704

16:16

Self-answering alone is fine, but inventing questions to self-answer them in ways that promote your services, product, or page?

Jon

It is clearly promoting his website and video

That is the entire reason for this post

user4704

@Ali.S It's a grey area, which is why I'm asking in here.

Jon

At least he didn't try to hide it by asking someone else to post the question.

Ali.S

I guess it depends, whether we want to completely rigidly follow the rules, or do things based on our own opinion

user4704

We absolutely follow the rules rigidly.

user4704

16:18

You don't get a vote in that ;D

Ali.S

by the rules there is nothing wrong with that post, I mean it's not even in gray area based on rules alone

user4704

This is not something well-defined by the network rules, as far as I'm aware.

user4704

The only thing that saves it from being nuked as spam right now is the fact that it is a legitimate question and if the question and answer were done by different people this wouldn't be a thing.

Ali.S

it's not written in rule book, because it's just an special case

Hjorthenify

Anyone good with Java here?

Ali.S

16:20

it is directly asking a question, which has a concrete answer.

Hjorthenify

If so is there a way to check if the scanner has more input?

Without pausing

Ali.S

about working with a game development tool

user4704

On the other hand, there's this:

user4704

"How do you export a Construct 2 game to Windows 10's new Universal format?"

user4704

from the question

user4704

16:21

followed by:

user4704

"3. Export to Windows 10 Universal format"

user4704

in the answer

Ali.S

that's one of the steps... you can't complain about that

anyway... that's how I feel...

gotta go

Kevin van der Velden

16:36

@JoshPetrie I vote burn it to the ground (but I also seem to be faster with the burnination than most here)

@Ali.S none of these steps have any detail in them

"Enable developer mode in Windows 10" How? Where is that setting?

"Enter game details in Construct 2" What details are required? Why is this a special thing for win 10? Is this not normal construct 2 stuff?

"Export to Windows 10 Universal format" so, your answer so far is "Push the correct button?"

"Fix manifest file in Visual Studio, if necessary" Why would it be necessary, how would you tell, how do you fix it?

"Associate your app with Store App" How?

"Add required images, e.g. logo, icon, splash" Where? In construct? You've already exported, in the windows store? Why is this specific to construct 2?

"Run WACK (Windows App Certification Kit)" What is this, where do I get it from, how do I run this?

"Publish to Windows Store!" How?

Jon

he explains in his video

which is 20 minutes long

I think it should be removed

Kevin van der Velden

There's a video?

Aha

Jon

you click on his link, and it goes to his personal site

Then you click again, and it goes to a microsoft hosted site

Again, this post should be removed

It is redirecting traffic to his site

Not explaining anything

Kevin van der Velden

Regardless, that's not in the answer and not detailed

Jon

the guy did not have good intentions here

Kevin van der Velden

16:42

Yup

user4704

I'm going to delete his answer.

user4704

But not his question.

user4704

After I leave him a comment.

Kevin van der Velden

Such an answer would be worthy of downvotes. The fact that it's linking to a video tutorial is more downvotes, the fact that it's self answered just makes it self advertising in my opinion

Jon

Good idea @JoshPetrie

Kevin van der Velden

16:44

I agree 100%

Jon

Links are typically frowned upon, since they can go bad

Then the answer is pointless

Since it has 0 explanation, only a summary of his video

Not only that, but here you yhave to rely on 2 links

user4704

Done.

Kevin van der Velden

Yay

Jon

What makes it even worse, is that his user only posted that question

there is no other activity on his account

user4704

Well, his account is only six days old.

user4704

16:47

So I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in terms of "did he create an account only to do this"

user4704

Maybe he does intend to otherwise participate.

user4704

We'll see.

Almo

17:38

@IcyDefiance i think you're going to want to play The Westport Independent

Lokkij

Ooh I've heard about that

Icy Defiance

interesting...but probably not my kind of game. papers, please wasn't either.

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