Game Development

Pip

00:03

sup @AlexM.

Jon

You see my Mario tweak of that pic

How great characters are born

Chris

00:28

lol

Asaltaviejas

00:50

hi

Joe

03:38

unity 5.1... anyone seen this Scene view bug? its just freaking the hell out

Chris

03:53

restart unity?

Joe

yea i rebooted also

it starts freaking out after i start networking code?

kind of really need the scene view to test networking code :/

Chris

damn, sounds weird

Joe

removed all the tabs from my unity

and re-added them from the window drop down

temporarily working

gone as soon as the network code runs...

damn UNET... this is not viable

@Chris so whats going on man

Chris

04:13

planning on releasing my new bloat mob tomorrow, update all the platforms etc.
been settling back into things having just finished a two-week holiday though, so sort of up in the air about what I might tackle next. was good to take a break though, bit of fresh air from sitting in the same spot all day every day

Joe

haha yea

Joe

04:28

how does it feel to get back into the c# on tallowmere?

Chris

it's just nice a quick really, plus using Visual Studio's stuff to find references and shortcut keys to look up params and whatnot, it's just the better way to go

Joe

I havent made it to VS yet... still stuck on mono, no plans on moving my dev environment to windows so I'm just waiting for VS to come to mac

Chris

yeah true

Joe

04:48

the js13k has me reconsidering unity pretty hard

Hjorthenify

06:55

@Joe code.visualstudio.com/Docs/languages/csharp

Chris

07:25

anyone played Heroes of Might & Magic III? http://www.gog.com/game/heroes_of_might_and_magic_3_complete_edition
I never have but I'm tempted to buy
but from all the videos I've watched, I can't figure out if the enemy AI moves or not, or what dictates the end of a "day"

there is something about pixels that still captivates me, compared to 3D graphics :\

Hjorthenify

07:57

Any way to remove those annoying white bars?

This is in Eclipse btw

Chris

Don't use Eclipse - problem solved!

Hjorthenify

I have to for uni :/

Chris

drop out!

user92578

08:14

Haha

Hjorthenify

#boycuttEclipse

@Chris What should I be using instead?

Chris

I honestly don't know

I just know that I really dislike Eclipse

Hjorthenify

Why?

user92578

Im thinking that Ill refactor the editor UI today, now that its still relatively easy

Chris

@Hjorthenify it's been several years since I've touched it, but it just felt bad

Ali.S

08:26

@Hjorthenify I've heard very good thing about IntelliJ-Idea

though never used it's at all

OMGtechy

kickstarter.com/projects/larianstudios/divinity-original-sin-2

Well, that got funded fast

Hjorthenify

@Ali.S Looks promising. I'll ask my teacher if I can use this instead.

Man.. First day on uni in 1½ hour and I'm just sitting here trying to make Eclipse have dark scrollbars

Chris

09:12

lol

user92578

Theme is the thing that determines whether I like a program or not

Hjorthenify

Me 2

I guess thats why I like visual studio so much

user92578

Lol yeah

Jon

09:32

man, this new Telemetry shit in Windows 10 was pushed to Win 7 and 8

And it bypasses the Hosts file -- it is hardcoded into the bins

user92578

whats telemetry shit?

Jon

it sends data to microsoft servers

you can't turn it off

user92578

Ah

user92578

oh gtg math class continues

Lokkij

Sounds like an excellent time to be installing Linux :P

Jon

09:44

Hjorthenify

@Jon i disabled it on my router

Jon

heh

i should do that

Hjorthenify

Only if you want your log to be spammed :P

Jon

there is also the issue that they can just change the server dns anytime

update at anytime

Hjorthenify

Yeah

Need deep packet inspect..

Jon

09:56

that is what she said

Hjorthenify

Did she mind Microsoft was watching?

tereško

I think , I will be migrating my primary OS quite soon ... Microsoft is being a bitch

Chris

10:18

yeah honestly, if a tool is acting up, you switch tools, you know? go for the least-shit option that is good enough to accomplish what you want without mucking you around

Jon

10:35

only reason I am not running linux --- Games / Visual Studio

I'm looking at you Linus

Dev2rights

11:04

Lol that pic jon posted proves that there were Nazis on Mars.

Pip

12:15

morning all

@Jon yep!

@Lokkij exactly

Visual Studio is the last barrier for me

Kevin van der Velden

\o

user92578

Hi!

Pip

sup Tyyppi? How's school :P

I start in 8 days

user92578

Going good, I might participate in the school's musical project and I'm learning awesome math stuff, derivatives :D

Pip

Derivatives are on the list for me when school starts

Sounds cool

Jon

12:54

so today I learned that phones have 4 fast cores, and 4 slow cores (8 core ones)

4 slow ones are used in idle states to save juice

Pip

huh

interesting

Joe

would I be completely crazy to abandon unity in favor of custom frankenstein-ing a weird game dev workflow? JS13k was refreshing in a way i didn't expect it to be, none of the unity bloat or insanity

Jon

would be up to you

Pip

Not completely; I'm still a big fan of doing everything myself (I mean... not everything. But yeah.)

Joe

I found this... electron.atom.io basically would let me make games & ui in the languages im already very familiar with

Pip

13:04

Monogame <3

Then go for it if you want

Joe

crossplatform and free... granted im limited to 2d but thats what i like right now

i did about 5 hours on the new unity networking yesterday and it was super buggy, awful awful experience... sort of came to the conclusion if i wanted bad networking i could write this faster in JS from scratch

then lightbulb moment and i started seeing if that was a possibility

user92578

haha :D

Jon

LOL

IF I WANT BAD NETWORKING I'LL DO IT MYSELF DAMNIT!

4

user92578

oh right, I had forgotten my distant dream of networking

Joe

i mean running any networking code in my game in the editor worked on unity

it just broke the scene view so.. couldnt debug anything

which is kind of important...

Pip

13:09

God damnit I'm motivated to do game dev again XD

Joe

@Jon @Pip @Tyyppi_77 if you were going to make a crazy switch to how you dev... what would you do first? should I do a proof of concept? something small? i mean this would basically mean writing an engine

Pip

Yeah definitely a proof of concept

prove to yourself that you can do things like GUI, etc

user92578

@Joe GunHero is my "switching project" from Python

user92578

:D

Joe

maybe i need to throw another day at unity see if its a glitch that i can fix

Pip

13:11

@Tyyppi_77 Hahaha awesome. It's turning out well.

user92578

Yeah it is :D

Joe

^ yes it is

Pip

What are you writing GunHero in again? C++?

user92578

Yeah, C++ with SDL2

Pip

coolcool

I was looking into C++ but then I was like. Memory management.

user92578

13:13

Hey actually, now that there are more people in here, have you guys used a level editor that you've really enjoyed using? This weeks project is re-doing the level editor UI... so I need some inspiration/tips/references

user92578

I don't think I could live without pointers

Pip

Tiled! (was actually kind of.... meh)

user92578

All tough now that the memory leak detector broke, I'm leaking a lot

user92578

Tiled is... kinda meh now that you think of it

Pip

That's all that I've used except for someone's custom JSON thing

user92578

13:15

Like I'm going to need a terrain/tile-selector, (probably) a property editor like thing for entities and then a "variation" selector, which is basically just an int, but with it set at 0, the ladder brush draws a wooden ladder, and with the variation set at 1, it draws a stone ladder

Pip

mhm

Your ladder stuff is pretty cool

May I suggest if you delete the ladder tile, it deletes the whole ladder?

Idk if you want to do that or not but... yeah

user92578

I actually thought about that

user92578

but if I just want to lower a floor by one or something

user92578

I think that just adjusting the tiles accordingly is better

user92578

But definitely cool stuff like that is my goal with the editor

Jon

13:18

man, just cancelled my power supply order

was looking at reviews online and everyone saying it is shit

Pip

@Jon going to order that $5 part after all?

Jon

naw, going to pay extra for Enermax

Pip

lol

Vincent Williams

Is there an ios emulator for android studio?

Pip

No

Vincent Williams

13:19

:/ I made a libgdx app using android studio

how do i test it on ios

Pip

You need a Mac

and.... XCode?

Vincent Williams

seriously?

that sucks

Kevin van der Velden

ios emulator, for android studio? Why would either competing company consent to that?

Pip

lol

Vincent Williams

haha

maybe like something a user made?

Pip

13:20

@VincentWilliams Because Apple is a bitch

Vincent Williams

like an addon

Kevin van der Velden

Doubtful, writing an emulator is really difficult, even with an open operating system

Which, of course, ios is not

Vincent Williams

wait is there an ios emulator for intellij?

Pip

Google it :P

Vincent Williams

because android studio is basically intellij

I did but its hard to find stuff

so i think there is no

not*

Pip

13:21

You still need a Mac

Vincent Williams

why?

Pip

1 min ago, by Pip

@VincentWilliams Because Apple is a bitch

Vincent Williams

haha

Kevin van der Velden

Yes, that pretty much

Vincent Williams

and it cost 90$ a year

Pip

13:22

CC'ing @Almo

user92578

CC'ing?

Pip

Just wanted him to see my Apple comment :P

@Tyyppi_77 Carbon copy, as in those old paper triplicate pads

Commonly used in emails now

uprinting.com/feeds/…

As in that originally ^

user92578

Ohhh

Pip

So, my current goals for today include: Going to work. Working on the app for work. Coming home. Completely starting from scratch on MoonPark since most of my code has been invalidated by the work I've done on the MonoGame.Extended library

Sounds good for today.... I doubt that I'll finish all of the refactoring though

user92578

Plans & goals are nice

Almo

13:28

Apple may be a bitch, but their tools fucking work. Android tools can fuck right off.

Pip

Android Studio is.... okay

I've never used any of Apple's tools personally

user92578

Designing a level editor that feels like GunHero instead of just a dull WinForms editor is tricky

Almo

Android Studio is not okay

it's crappy

you have to edit gradle build files to configure the build

this is 2015. I shouldn't have to edit what are essentially makefiles

Pip

I've never had to do that before

Almo

then you're not doing heavy enough work.

Pip

13:32

I'm doing robotics stuff.... a bit different than game dev but... yeah

Almo

If you need to build a Unity plugin, it's a nightmare.

Kevin van der Velden

@Pip There's quite a few similarities between the two though, in my opinion

Pip

Yeah there are, I agree

Much less UI though :D

OOOOOH

microcenter.com/single_product_results.aspx?sku=629204

I want it

Two actually would be nice

That way I can stick my 3d printer in the shed instead of next to my desk where the ethernet port is

I'm setting up a RasPi running OctoPi as the host device, to feed the printer the gcode

which is basically where to move the head, temperatures, anything that the electronics do

Anyway

I kind of want to learn JS but I can't really get motivated to do it. It just seems like such an obnoxious language :/

Kevin van der Velden

Javascript is not bad

As long as you ignore the fact that internet explorer exists

Jon

ncix.com/detail/antec-edge-750w-16pin-atx12v-a0-102575-1292.htm

Decided to go with this one -- Higher rating than the Enermax and free shipping right now hehehe

Glad I managed to stop that Corsair one from shipping -- EVERYONE is saying the fan on it is bad

Almo

13:47

A lot of things are better if you ignore the existence of Internet Explorer.

Jon

ignorance is bliss

Here is proof

Subway employee can't do basic math

►

Almo

not going to watch. must remain blissful ;)

user92578

@Jon This is actually a line from a song I really like currently

Kevin van der Velden

Or the person having to argue that .01$ is different from .01 dollar-cent

Or the many, many people who could not understand that -7 is less than -4 in a "lower temperatures = win money" scratch ticket thing

Jon

people that don't know basic math operations

Almo

13:49

^

Jon

2 x (1 + 3) = ?

Kevin van der Velden

42

Also 8

But 42 most of all

Jon

most people will say 5 to this

Almo

8!!!

Kevin van der Velden

Those people are dumb

Jon

13:50

Not dumb, ignorant

Almo

dumb might be the wrong word, but the certainly needed to be taught better in school

Jon

The fact that they don't retain information that was repeated over and over to them in school

That is ignorance.

Almo

and their parents need to insist that they value schooling

teachers can only do so much

attitude training falls back on the parents

When school diplomas become entitlements, not something you earn, civilization goes into decline.

Jon

But the same people, will know every lyric to a miley cyrus song

Yes, don't remember basic math operations

Kevin van der Velden

No child left behind shudders

Almo

13:52

every lyric to every miley cyrus song.

NCLB... evil

Jon

And they know when the last time any given kardashian took a dump

Almo

more like No Child Allowed to Move Ahead.

Jon

Let's not talk about issues... you are so negative

Let's talk about other people's lives

Stuff that matters

Almo

I'm so negative, protons fucking love me.

Jon

I'm so negative, I started fissioning

Almo

13:54

I don't get it

Jon

me neither

Almo

:D

Jon

made you think though

Almo

anyone here use perforce?

Jon

I think you do.

user92578

13:54

lol'd

Almo

hnahah

got a weird thing where the file structure in the depot/workspace view doesn't match what's on the filesystem

Jon

MERGE MERGE!!!!

user92578

PUSH PUSH PUSH

Almo

p4 doesn't do "push"

it's "submit" :)

user92578

Doing some mockupping, and the design is pretty much the same as in SMB, but I haven't stolen anything from it yet, so maybe....

user92578

14:04

Pip

@Almo SUBMIT SUBMIT SUBMIT

user92578

Still needs a thing for editing properties

Almo

OK OK OK

:)

Pip

:D

@Tyyppi_77 looking good

user92578

thanks

Pip

14:06

Alright

You know what. Fuck refactoring. I need something else to do

That is not a good way to get back into game dev

Jon

write a prototype

Pip

Yeah, but for what

This is my github graph:

I haven't done game dev in like.... since Ludum Dare. And before that I hadn't done much at all either for about 3 weeks

user92578

eating some pizza! brb

Jon

Almo

@Pip what jon said

actual picture from Real Feel Golf.

Jon

14:13

Dem Real Feels

Joe

anyone use a HTML5 game engine they would recommend?

Almo

not me sorry

Pip

Oh noes

itsmypart.com/fcc-rules-block-use-of-open-source

Jon

yeah, i read this

That is ridiculous

They want router manufacturers to lock down their hardware

AKA -- they don't want routers to be used to operate on different bands

reddit.com/r/technology/comments/3euyd5/…

Pip

Yeah there was a Voat post that I got the link from

voat.co/v/technology/comments/464057

Jon

14:26

So you take a step back and you look at the big pictures... why do they give so much shit over this?

And the only reason is that they don't want you to operate on the wireless band you want -- they want to lock that shit down. It is the only reason.

everyone is saying it is because they want to be able to hack your router -- that flashing effectively removes backdoors that are installed on your network

That would mean that every wireless router out there, every single manufacturer, of every single firmware they created, have a backdoor

And that no one has found them yet

Pip

There are certainly backdoors in quite a few routers

user92578

@Jon lol

Jon

main one is not changing your default password

Almo

yeah

Pip

The open source firmwares also let you enable features that otherwise wouldn't be available to you, just because the company wants more money for you

Jon

14:29

yeah i'm running DD-WRT

apparently i'm doing something illegal all of a sudden

Pip

I'm running the default Verizon FIOS one because.... there's no reason that I've found not to.

In college I probably will buy a cheap router and run OpenWRT or DD-WRT (or Tomato...)

Jon

[S02E05] Rick and Morty - Get Schwifty

►

Almo

I don't quite get it. FCC makes a good move on net neutrality, then this apparently bad move.

Jon

Are they even enforcing the rules?

Almo

no idea

Jon

14:38

In my opinion, corporations own everything already, its not like anything matters

We cling on to these little joys we have left, such as an open internet... and they act like we have power over it

In 2-3 years from now, everyone in Canada is going to be paying over 100$ / month for internet

10 years.. that will be 200 or more

Pip

really

Jon

Heck yeah

Internet prices keep going up, as people stop installing home phone lines and paying for ridiculous cable TV/Internet Tv

Let's say all I want to watch on TV is Survivor -- Do you have any idea how much money I have to pay, just to watch that one show?

Almo

yeah it's not possible to get the channels you want

worse in QC... required to get french channels

Jon

Not just that... it is littered with commercials

And there is 98% of content I don't watch

Joe

yea thats the "norm" now

Almo

14:48

If Netflix had news, I think we'd drop cable TV

Jon

That is what they want the norm to be.

Almo

dood

that's a good idea

Joe

and i think its just because theres nothing better

Almo

I should write to them

Jon

Anyways... if I just want to watch that one TV show... it would cost me....

56.95$ / month

that is the bare minimum I have to pay

Does not include install

and you need to pay a 60$ activation fee

Joe

14:49

"big cable" is throwing around its weight lol because they run the infrastructure for your internet too

they are always going to be looking for ways to bully netflix / whatever they can, until the new guys start running lines

Almo

UE4 is having a game jam in September: forums.unrealengine.com/…

5

Jon

@Almo maybe nakednews would sign up with them

Pip

Google needs to get it's ass in gear with Fiber

Um.... opinions?

Jon

Blast might be a promo

Kevin van der Velden

Pro might also mean a professional service, i.e. with SLA etc

Pip

14:56

Hm possibly

that's still really fucking expensive

How much do you all pay for? I think I have 50 mbps up/down at home

Kevin van der Velden

60 euro a month for tv, phone, 200mb/20mb internet

Jon

close to 100 / month

Kevin van der Velden

(No data caps either)

Jon

~90 / month actually

nope

over 100 a month

Pip

@KevinvanderVelden pretty good. Especially considering you have tv/phone included

Jon

14:59

prices went up

Just like I said

Pip

@Jon for what speed?

Jon

150/30

Pip

Not too bad... really expensive though

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