Game Development

user92578

16:02

So yeah, I feel like implementing the Z stuff next would be the best thing to do

@Tyyppi_77 I'd love to see how you did it. I can't see how it can be any less hardcoded than my solution. I mean, you have to map a certain tile to a texture part. :P

user92578

Aight, I'll try to go trough the process

user92578

So I use 48 tiles for all the combinations

user92578

But instead of masking with 1, 2, 4, 8..., I mask with some magic numbers Martin came up with, which generate only 48 different values, not 256.

user92578

Then I've hardcoded those 48 values to correspond to the correct tile ID in the tileset

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

16:06

Ah

Yeah, I considered boiling it down, but I figured it wouldn't affect speed in any way.

user92578

Yeah, true

user92578

This was just less hardcoding for me I believe

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Hehe, I made a tool for the hardcoding at the time. I don't remember where it is though. :P Was a one time thing

I didn't actually type in much myself

Martin Sojka

I'd like to note that 1. This only speeds up stuff when you have a useful sparse array implementation (like a binary tree), it's simply easier to visualise and 2. My preferred solution uses 5 tiles, not 48.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

5 tiles? That's only possible if you sacrifice a bit of variation.

user92578

16:08

Yeah I've got a script that generates the map values for me

user92578

I actually prefer the variation I can add to the tile borders

Martin Sojka

@William'MindWorX'Mariager Yes. On the plus side, this leaves you with 43 free tiles for the variation.

user92578

I should probably consider loading the tile ID data from a file

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@MartinSojka True

I used to have less tiles, you know, only corners, inverse corners and sides but half the resolution. But 8x8 doesn't give much room for interesting variation since it had to tile. So 16x16 was a better looking solution for me.

user92578

Oh no I borke the VS compiler with my array of maps

user92578

16:15

e:\devel\workspace\visual\c++\gunheroremake\gunheroremake\gunheroremake\leveled‌itorbrushterrain.cpp(11): fatal error C1001: An internal error has occurred in the compiler.

user92578

nice

Lokkij

Steve Heisler - 22 years in, Magic: the Gathering is the brainiest it's ever been

Ali.S

@Tyyppi_77 lol

user92578

yeah...

Ali.S

@Tyyppi_77 are you making your own editor?

user92578

16:22

Yes I am!

Ali.S

nice

user92578

well that came out a little too exited

user92578

but I am really exited

Ali.S

there is nothing wrong with being excited :P

user92578

:)

user92578

16:37

So I'll call it a day while I'm still in a good mood :)

user92578

I actually ended up asking the Broforce devs just out of curiosity how they do this, and it turns out they render the edges of the tiles separately, depending on the neighbours :D

user92578

Really awesome that I got an response with some explanatory pictures in a couple of hours after asking

user92578

Anyways, I'll see you guys on thursday (and tomorrow, but only on school breaks)

Asaltaviejas

Hello.

Kevin van der Velden

\o

Ali.S

16:58

do you know korpiklaani?

Lokkij

Game Maker's Toolkit - Analysing Mario to Master Super Mario Maker

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William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Ali.S Vodka!

Ali.S

@William'MindWorX'Mariager what?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

KORPIKLAANI - Vodka (OFFICIAL VIDEO)

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Ali.S

anyway... even though I don't understand them I like the sound of their music

@William'MindWorX'Mariager lol

@William'MindWorX'Mariager there is the first music I heard from them, and it made me like'em:

Korpiklaani - Ievan Polkka [Lyrics]

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Almo

17:30

anyone use UE4 here?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Almo @Spartan weenie does.

Almo

@SpicyWeenie uses ue4?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Not spicy, spartan :P

Almo

spartandonut?

or spartan?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Yesser

Almo

17:41

which

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

donut :P

Lokkij

Steam converts the :' in a crying smiley :'( to an upside-down ; for some reason

Almo

:(

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Theres a Spartan which isn't a donut?

Almo

I don't know

Lokkij

17:42

Donut hasn't been around for a while now

Where'd he go?

Almo

he says "lol ok" about using UE4

I guess he doesn't

@Jon hey LowDown droid version should have the captcha removed now

Icy Defiance

I haven't seen donut on much since he decided to hate me. Not sure if it's because of me or if he has something else going on.

last message 56d ago
last seen 3d ago

Lokkij

When did that happen?

Icy Defiance

a few months ago. I don't even remember what it was about.

Lokkij

Must've been while I was away

Icy Defiance

17:52

I remember he insulted me a couple times and then took offense when I tried arguing against him, saying he was just asking questions and not taking a side.

then a few weeks later he brought it up when he thought I wasn't here and started insulting me again

Almo

That's not really my perception of what happened, but I don't quite see the point in discussing it further. :(

Icy Defiance

wat, he just logged in and instantly left again

Almo

probably just a left over tab or something

Icy Defiance

from 3 days ago?

Almo

wish he'd come back and you guys could work it out somehow.

but it's not up to me. I'll just keep fighting with this damned navmesh thing :(

Icy Defiance

17:56

nah I've quoted his own messages to him several times and he still denies they exist. not possible to work anything out with someone like that. I'm willing to move on, but not 'work it out'.

Almo

I would consider both parties moving on to be a form of working it out

just semantics though :)

ok so quitting ue and reloading the level made the nav mesh appear

Jon

18:24

@Almo FINALLY

So many lonely girls on Skype

Almo

hey it's not me who does the droid work and he was on vacation :)

Jon

So I ordered my skylake parts

might as well get jealous of me now

Almo

Plaster - Metrexes

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heavy electronic music... with saxophone. o_0

Jon

not a fan of glitch

Almo

yeah, understandable

:)

I'll never use glitch in my compositions

(well... I plan not to anyway. plans change sometimes)

@Jon so just for you, here's something really good with no glitch.

Loscil - Fromme

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super smooth

Icy Defiance

18:29

glitch is awesome

Lokkij

Ryan Davies is quite excited about Hearts of Iron IV

Jon

Pink Floyd Welcome to the Machine

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reminds me of the start of this

Almo

wtf that image. WttM is from Wish You Were Here.

:)

Jon

yeah, shitty art choice, lol

Almo

:D

Jon

18:32

underrated album

everyone says the wall or dark side

Almo

MEDDLE

One of These Days - 01 - Meddle - Pink Floyd

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can't argue with that

Jon

pcpartpicker.com/p/7Vbvyc

my dad went to see pink floyd live

was super annoyed

In the pics, he was wearing a pink floyd t-shirt that I had left at their house

Kevin van der Velden

@Jon I see your welcome to the machine, and raise you:

Vernian Process - Behold the Machine (official LP Mix)

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Jon

@KevinvanderVelden Queued--- Currently playing Meddle :D

Almo

:D

Jon

18:40

like my build?

gonna be 20x faster than my current :)

amazon.com/Intel-E7500-2-93GHz-1066MHz-Dual-Core/dp/…

Almo

@jon my only comment is that the SSD is a bit small at 250 GB

Jon

my current chip is selling for 14$

Almo

hehehe

Jon

Yeah... I wanted a 1TB SSD

I will probably buy another one in the future when the prices go down

i have 3TB of IDE storage

Almo

I went for 500 GB

ok

Jon

18:45

Should be good for Fallout 4 :)

and Lego Worlds... jesus christ that game is intensive

GTA5 and LegoWorlds are like the only two games I can't play at all

on lowest settings

Almo

hahaha

Jon

my son was playing it at like 5 fps

Almo

subLOGIC Flight Simulator II for Commodore 64

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Jon

whoa, never seen that game before

Almo

it was one of the big ones

Jon

18:48

very slow

@KevinvanderVelden cool song

Almo

I actually played TONS of Gunship on the C64

it had hills... you couldn't see through

like holy shit

Jon

Aces of Pacific was awesome

Ace of Aces on the Commodore 64

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ace of aces sorry

Almo

never played that one

Most of the sims I played were from MicroProse

Jon

fast forward, holy shit

yeah, check out the gameplay on that c64 game

it is pretty awesome

lol

Almo

you draw a horizon on C64 by doing character graphics on the line, then just fill color blocks elsewhere.

Jon

18:57

I never really coded for the c64

played a crapton of games on it though

wasted a lot of time waiting on load screens

to put things in perspective... the c64 had 1Mhz clock speed cpu

I just bought a 3.5ghz proc, that can be easily OCd to 3900

Almo

I should really look at why Lander didn't work for you on the emulator

Jon

i.imgur.com/7janFX8.gifv

lol

Almo

Lazarian... boy that was bad

C64 carts in general were shit because they were restricted to 8k ROM

Jon

19:12

diskette games were better yeah

Almo

Laser Zone was a good one from Jeff Minter

I did a later remake on System 7

Jon

jumpman junior however, was so good

EPYX

Almo

yeah

Gateway to Apshai

first action RPG I played, I think

because the walk sound sounded like "fuck fuck fuck fuck" we call playing that game "fuckin' around"

Jon

haha

doesn't sound like fuck

but the walking sound.. oh my god

One of the strangest games... Below the Root

Almo

C64-Longplay - Gateway To Apshai (720p)

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Jon

19:16

I watched a walktrhough, because I couldn't figure it out as a kid.... The shit you had to do in that game

yeah watched that video

Below the Root (Full Playthrough)

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There was also this Alice in Wonderland game, everytime I would load it , it would crash

Made by the same company apparently

I must of had a corrupted disk

Anyways, if you watch the playthrough, you will see how ridiculous it would have been for someone to solve these puzzles

The alice in wonderland game looks cool

Pip

sup nerds

:P

@Jon the Skylake one?

Jon

Yeah :DDDD

Pricematch was accepted -- waiting for it to ship now

Pip

nice

Jon

I had to get g.skill ram -- all the corsair was on backorder

kinda annoyed about that -- but g.skill has good ratings

i got a free copy of Metal Gear Solid V too

75$ right now -- wasn't planning on buying it, but still cool

I wish GTA5 would go on fricken sale

store.steampowered.com/app/363440

So yah... gonna play GTA5 -- then hopefully i'll be fine until Fallout 4 comes out

Pip

Cool

Jon

19:29

And my son can play Lego Worlds

:)

gonna convert this box into a media server

i had an old HTPC case in the basement

465W enermax in it... had no idea :)

Pip

holy

Nice

Jon

Yeah, gonna have some fun projects once it comes in

so excited

Pip

I would be too!

Jon

soon :)

we gotta multiplayer when you do

Pip

I'm taking a computer systems class next year and the teacher is notorious for giving out old computer parts for her better students

last generation, but still

like DDR2 and stuff

Jon

19:33

nice

Pip

but cool for projects

Jon

I have 3GB of DDR2 trying to sell it

Pip

It's so worthless :P

Jon

no one wants to buy old parts

my cpu goes for 14$ right now

the one I am currently using

Pip

lol

Anyway, The school takes comissions from people in the community and keeps old parts

Jon

19:34

well if you can frankenstein yourself a pc do it

you can always use a server or something

Pip

exactly

Jon

i always have 2 frankensteins lying around

Pip

basically it assigns the commissions to comp. systems students and then they earn a bit of money

Jon

yeah that is cool

Pip

like.... $20 and a percentage of money spent

should be awesome

Jon

19:35

when I went to college, 2nd year they forced laptop rentals

Pip

that sucks

Jon

2000$ or something

Pip

holy shit

Jon

it was a ridiculous amount of money -- either I paid it, or I quit my course

I argued that I would buy my own.. but no you had to have theirs

Pip

I would have probably quit (depending on the course)

Jon

19:35

It was such a ridiculous cash grab.

Yeah.... I should have probably quit.

Pip

Probably for like a $300 computer

Jon

not like I needed it

they re=used, and recharged the next years students for the same laptops

and probably the year after that -- i didn't care at that point

so they effectively sold the laptops at least twice, for twice the cost each time

Pip

wow

Jon

Yeah, it was pretty ridiculous.

I was very vocal about it

Almo

bastards

they're all bastards

Jon

19:37

I think they had financial difficulties in the program

And this was a way to generate money

they laid off a few teachers the next year

Oh well.... that is what you get when you have a for-profit school system.

Rich people get a better education.

Almo

yeah

fuckin' stupid

if you want your society to last more than a few generations, nothing is more important than education

Jon

stream every lesson of every university online

let people rate the lessons

teachers will become superstars

anyways.... in a perfect world.. knowledge would be free

Pip

Yes

Jon

And the bad teachers... well they will be at the bottom of the pile in shame.

That is how you fix the system, in a nutshell.

how do you pay the teachers then? PUBLIC FUNDING

Almo

‘It is a great nuisance that knowledge can only be acquired only by hard work. It would be fine if we could swallow the powder of profitable information made palatable by the jam of fiction.’

Icy Defiance

19:42

league with 30 ms ping is so nice :D

Almo

I won't have that till the cable guy comes thurs :(

on flaky wifi for now

Jon

hahaha

online gaming on wired connection only

i have about 20 feet of cabling from me and my fiber modem

Almo

I live in a condo... there are about 20 wifi networks in range

Jon

1GB ethernet

i rmeember gaming on 900ms pings man... fuck.

anything below 300 is fine for me

Icy Defiance

it wouldn't be in league. anything above 90 is basically unplayable, lol.

Jon

19:45

yeah I guess nowadays, the requirement is quite low

Icy Defiance

but I'm on wifi and the difference between that and wired isn't noticeable.

Lokkij

I've been gaming on 30~40 ping on wifi for ages now

Jon

really?

man, i only game on my wired pc

Icy Defiance

I'm pulling 25-30 ms pings when playing league now. Running a wire to the basement couldn't improve that very much.

Jon

:D I think you are good

Icy Defiance

19:48

plenty of other things to be annoyed about, though, like how I just started trying to practice yasuo and then lcs happened. yasuo got played there and now everyone wants to use him and they all suck.

Jon

yasuo da not used him

Almo

Yasuo is HARD to play well

played well, he looks super OP

like Kalista

oh fuck she's annoying

Icy Defiance

kalista is way harder

Jon

No I'm way harder

Icy Defiance

with yasuo you just need to get used to using minions as tools. no minions means you're a lot weaker than normal.

Almo

19:53

true

someone was talking to me earlier about trying cait

and I unloaded tips on him.

I wasn't really aware of all the little tricks I use

Jon

22:09

gfycat.com/SnivelingAcceptableLamb

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GTA V: WTF!?

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OMGtechy

23:07

that gif xD

Joe

updates with some rough backgrounds... need to see if i have the budget to improve graphics after everything else is in... JS13k josephjaniga.github.io/js13k-2015 (press space)

Jon

so my proc was on backorder after i placed my order

i had read rumours that vendors are purposely not filling requests for skylakes to sell the older gen

Joe

you get the last one or were you the guy that triggered the order to find out they didnt have it

Jon

it said in stock -- the prcoessed my order and then said it was backordered

I called them up

they sent the proc

i'm starting to think the rumours are true .. :/

TheMuffinCoder

23:24

@Joe Nice I see the improvement :D

Did u use cxt.save and restore :P

Joe

i did but im still seeing tearing in particular when theres bigplatforms

TheMuffinCoder

:P i know why

You must be rendering the coords with floats

Try using only integers

Here's the most efficient way in javascript to round

ctx.fillRect(6.4234|0, 342.2131|0, 100, 100);

just add |0 after the x and y

Joe

23:43

whats that do?

bitwise what?

TheMuffinCoder

Bitwise the float value into a integer

When you render with floats, you get strange results :P

The canvas tends to stretch pixels/make them a bit fuzzy when they are floats

@html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/canvas/performance

Scroll down till where it saids "Avoid floating point coordinates"

Joe

hmm but if i only did pixel position this would be super choppy

TheMuffinCoder

nah

My game only uses integers

Joe

my canvas is 320x188 scaled up

TheMuffinCoder

Thats 320x188 already scaled?!?!?

Joe

23:51

i suspect i might have problems, because im x3 on everything

TheMuffinCoder

@Joe themuffincoder.github.io/Reversed-Current

Check out all the particle I have going out, it still doesnt look choppy :D

Joe

yours is super smooth

mine gets choppy though oh well performance last

TheMuffinCoder

LOL DONT DO THAT

this is javascript

Its mean when it come to performance

; - ; evil javascript

Joe

could spend days doing nothing working on performance

haha

i dont have days

TheMuffinCoder

D:

@Joe hey joe I know how u can have the best performance

webgl :^)

I believe in u joe

Joe

23:58

im trying so hard gosh!

TheMuffinCoder

xD

:P Joe use your hidden opengl skills

And then u write your whole game with just shaders xD

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