cut the cycles on signal pattern detector to 278, compared to Almo's 179. yeah that's definitely a genius solution, lol

hehe :)

@Joe only one I know if is the one linked to earlier in the discussion: angryfishstudios.com/2011/04/adventures-in-bitmasking

@Ragdoll @Jovito m.youtube.com/watch?v=YQs6IC-vgmo

This is how the "masking" (via using partial tiles) would look like for the 64 possible hexagonal tiles boiled down to just four "base" tiles would look like:

makes sense. looks cool

(Need more coffee, sentence structure broken)

very early

need sleep then coffee

Sleep sounds good

Wait, I'm at the office? Crap I can't sleep :(

@MartinSojka you're missing one of the required base sets though, the full empty one (yes that makes sense, somehow)

@KevinvanderVelden No, I don't. You see ... this is "brown place bordered by something else" set. That means that the 64 possibilities range from "brown place surrounded by something else on all sides" to "brown place surrounded by more brown places on all sides" - but never "no brown place".

Aah makes sense

As said above "Sleep sounds good"

Seriously, I went to bed at 10pm and was still freaking tired at 8am =/ (when I woke up)

Layout out tilesets with multiple terrains can be done in two different way anyway (I like to call them "hierarchical" and "equally-important"), and they have subtly different results in which combinations you need, but this diagram isn't about that.

o/

Have fun. :)

Armenian and Ethiopian would be the biggest ones, I think.

Possibly Coptic?

Tell us @Tyyppi_77!

I was just guessing, really.

By being @MartinSojka

Well, 400s is still rather close to modern times and Christianity is my religion, so it's more or less knowledge by osmosis. Also, modding CK2.

It's like dealing with genealogy and different calendars leads to the "rough" knowledge about the longest year so far (it had about 450 days, without looking it up), and who's responsible (Gaius Iulius Caesar).

Just stuff I cram into corners of my brain and they never go away ...

Knowing that it exists and which slot to (roughly) put it into, spatially and temporally, is enough. For everything else, there's Google.

I wonder if you can upload SVGs here ...

"Failed to upload image, please try again!" ... meh.

Yeah

Updated hexagonal "minimal" tile map example, with letters everywhere:

Lots of people send them seeds afterwards

As in, actual seeds

Hahaha nice

@Tyyppi_77 No.

Nope

sqrt has 2 answers

It's the same as sqrt(x-2-4) and sqrt(x-2+4) I suppose

... or you can just cheat and ask MathWorld. :)

Hey guys

Do you know how transitioning between controls are made in UI?

You probably want to specify which UI toolkit you're using, at least ...

I could tell you how to do it in Flash, but I'd have to kill you. Just to be sure.

For wanting to use flash I presume? Seems the safest bet

@Tyyppi_77 You have Ui screen. With buttons. Say, "Start game", "Save game", "sound options", etc. How switching between those buttons are made? Are you using state graph? Or code, that scans everythinh what's down (if you press "down" arrow) and tells which button to choose?

Because we have a serious problem in our game

With controller, and a ton of bugz

Generally, you have a FocusManager which deals with recording which element is in focus, which can be in focus, what their order is, and which input events (keyboard, mouse, controller) lead to what focus changes. The UI elements just define if they can be in focus or not, how their "skin" changes when they are (including transition effects), and possibly an order number or something like that.

here the example screen

I use scan down, scan left, scan right scan up functions to find which next button to set focus to

but pay attention to circles

I just can't choose them with current Ui system

they can be present and they can be hide away

because scan up, for example, will scan only up, and never check what's on the side

if it will check, then focus will be sent to wrong element

@JesusChrist Have an (invisible) container for the boxes, including the circles. When you scan down, the focus changes to those containers. They have data which tell the focus manager which interior element should get the first focus.

jfxr giving me 20k wav files.... how am i supposed to use sound for my js13k if one jump sound is larger than my whole submission?? D:

thats what im googling right now

i dont crap about audio though

apparently wav is a large file size format?

@Joe wav is raw

There's no compression in it even, so yes, it is a large format =p

@Tyyppi_77 So why not use the 5-tile variant I've shown earlier? In use, it can be as simple as a bunch of table lookups to get whichever actual tile you need from it.

@KevinvanderVelden perchance do you know the best / most compressed format?

@Joe as with most things there's no single best format; using ogg or mp3 is a safe bet though

@KevinvanderVelden well lets ignore best for now... quality is of little concern right now, filesize matters in this case

@Joe Ogg Vorbis is often used and quite good.

ill try ogg

@Joe yeah, as I said, ogg or mp3 =p

And you don't need to pay royalties, as opposed to MP3 ...

The other commonly used one that I know off is flac, which is losless which you don't need

@Tyyppi_77 Less stuff to draw, more stuff to stuff into a single texture.

The 48 can be compressed to 5 =p

20k wav down to 5k ogg... still 10 times too big

@Joe Compress more. :)

I'll look into making a renderer for it when I get back

im going to need to read up on audio to understand wth the variables are

(pygame? Yes probably in pygame, nice and easy)

@Tyyppi_77 Which language/library setup?

@Tyyppi_77 Kevin already did that.

@MartinSojka I was about to say =p

@Tyyppi_77 I'm not sure what the hell I'm looking at. ;)

Spreadsheet from the adventures in bitmasking article

I made a thing

And it has a readme documenting that I spend 2 hours making it

Ah, that one. That's what you get for trying to cram everything into bitmasks, I guess. :D

Magic, and a lookup table

The five tiles are 0, 1, 8, 9 and 38.

Every other tile is a combination of half-tiles of those.

(Well, those with letters on them anyway)

No that was step one

You can just paint those 5 tiles yourself if you like.

(Look at the transcript =p)

The one that has the relevant thing in it =p

github.com/KevinVDVelden/Utilities/tree/TextureTileGen

And the lookup table gives me headache. Why would you order the bits like that, instead of simply in order, doubling the side bits? Then it's just a bitmask and a shift to get the right quarter corner of the tile.

Like, I would order the bits something like A1BB2CC3DD4A ...

You then have three 8 lines long lookup tables for each corner: one for A1B, one for B2C, one for C3D and one for D4A.

3k for a .25 second jump sound MP3 ... slowly crunching this down from 20k

i need 500 bytes

Not really, it just adds a bit of indirection to get to the result.

Well, my idea was more for the 5-tile setup, because that would make it very easy to do it, but it works in general as well. I just need to find out which logic is behind the tile sheet ...

bloop

hey

was justchecking if it was still logged in

Map? Surely you mean a simple array =p

@MartinSojka 200byte jump sound, and then converted to base64 string so i dont need to even make a http request for the file

time to do the same for the rest

@Tyyppi_77 at most you write a simple script to generate the table for you

But seriously, a lookup table is fast and easy

TileIWant = lookup[bitmaskSum]

That is the code at runtime, that is the easy bit

@Tyyppi_77: Damn, that tile sheet is annoying. Anyway, here's a simple solution: Assign each of the edges and corners a numerical value (A=145, B=50, C=100, D=200, 1=16, 2=32, 3=64, 4=128). For every edge or corner that's set, take the number and binary-OR it with every other set edge or corner. The result is an 8-bit number, one of exactly 48. Use it to look up in a (sparse) table which tile to take.

docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/QuickStart/3/index.html

Here is the Google Spreadsheet with the lookup table (the last two columns), as well as how the bits look like for every combination.

"click Add new, select level, and a dialog will appear"

nope

just makes a new blank level, no template dialog

@Tyyppi_77 Martin speaks truth

Why I picked 145, 50, 100, 200, 16, 32, 64 and 128 is left as an exercise to the reader. ;)

Not really; you can look those numbers in the "Decimal" column and compare which binary numbers they correspond to.

No, you don't detect anything, you just binary-OR up to 8 numbers.

my blank level doesn't even show the grid :(

Yes.

Instead of the "Val" column, you can also use the (x,y) offsets to the tile set.

GIMP?

x & 7

x & 8 > 0 ? x + something : x & 7

that gets an award for super-legible code :)

x & 8 > 0 ? (x & 7) + something : x & 7

It would be easier to do it you told us what "something" is.

Else: int baseVal = x & 7; int[] addition = [0, something, something + something]; return baseVal + addition[x>>3];

hahaha

If you have a multiplier for "something": return base + (x & 7) + multiplier * (x >> 3);

Yes.

I always love reading (positive :P) things about my country written by outsiders.

I have no idea what the question is, @Tyyppi_77.

Well, I'd just change the "Val" column, probably. The layout above is done so that graphic artists have an easier time generating the sheet, not because the computer cares about the exact numbers.

@Tyyppi_77 I'd use base + (x & 7) + something * (x >> 3); if "something" is a constant or independent from x and you expect x values bigger than 23.

No, base is where your tile sheet start. It's 0 in the original.

So you need to add the base before you modify it: x += base; return (x & 7) + rowSize * (x >> 3);

Good. :)

@Tyyppi_77 ... or just make your level surrounded by (not rendered, inaccessible) extra layer of tiles in the internal level array.

let's see if my snipe holds

Yes.

Sometimes, I answer something I'm not sure of to be first, and if it gets downvoted I just delete it. :)

oh yes upvote! looks like I might have it right

Hell if I knew, I just copied the Val columns. :)

If that's inverted, then use "1" for when there's NO same tile to that side/corner.

(or rather, the bitmasks)

I just pirated my first book. I feel like a real college student already. :P

When are you OR'ing the values, when there's the same tile on that side, or when there's NO tile on that side? Whatever of those you do, invert it.

@Tyyppi_77, Is this C#?

Oh right :P

I have the autotiler stuff from my Terraria-clone lying around. Want to have a look?

8-bit

Hah

Of course you do! If you change a tile, you force a 3x3 update :P

They do?

gist.github.com/TinkerWorX/0c7b58452495b19d9bf7

Basically, the helper returns what tile from the sheet to draw. :)

Hardcoded?

nice one dude

:D

you suck then give it up ;)

:)

dood that looks good

yup

good tools make game dev much less annoying

D:<

there

hhaha yeah