Game Development

OMGtechy

21:00

your system seems so much more forgiving (and possibly better)

Lokkij

It's not especially forgiving, but I have no idea how forgiving your system is.

OMGtechy

Well as I said, you fail, that's it. Done.

There is no redoing a year.

Lokkij

Oh so you can actually fail?

OMGtechy

Yeah.

Lokkij

I thought you said you graduate regardless of your grades.

OMGtechy

21:02

Yes, just with awful grades.

Lokkij

Oh, right.

OMGtechy

You can get a U, which is "ungraded", which means you were so bad they couldn't give you anything.

Lokkij

That is more forgiving and less forgiving at the same time - more forgiving in the sense that you'll never be forced to redo a year (and redoing a year sucks), but less forgiving in the sense that you're stuck with your grades forever.

OMGtechy

Then there's (highest) A*, A, B, C, D, E, F (lowest except for U)

Some people don't even get a U

Lokkij

(I may have misused the word 'grammar school' - it looks like grammar schools are more like private schools)

We simple rate from 1 to 10

Which seems much more precise

OMGtechy

21:05

I almost got a U in something :P

Lokkij

Ouch

Almo

I'M A GRAMMAR SCHOOL

OMGtechy

I took a mock version of the exam, and got a U, was like wtf so I read the criteria, real exam got an A*....slight difference

Lokkij

I have done that a few times as well

OMGtechy

@Lokkij what I really don't like is the tiers we have atm

There used to be Foundation, Intermediate and Higher, but they scrapped Intermediate

If you're in foundation, you can get no higher than a C no matter how good you are

and it's not your choice which you go into usually

Lokkij

21:07

Uhh huh?

OMGtechy

If you're in higher you can get anything from A* -> C, but if you go below C some boards give you a U

some just give you a D instead if you're lucky

Lokkij

Oh okay. How is your tier chosen?

OMGtechy

School chooses it.

Lokkij

Based on your grades?

OMGtechy

Once you're declared "stupid", you're pretty screwed

@Lokkij somewhat

what happens is, people are put in the lower sets (the people who aren't expected to do well) and then aren't taught anything from the higher so they have no chance of achieving it

Lokkij

21:09

That seems really weird. Once you're declared stupid you're no longer allowed to improve?

OMGtechy

if you plead with the school they might move you into a higher set

it's down to them though

and usually the classes are full so it's hard to move

Lokkij

That just sounds terrible.

OMGtechy

Plus, if there are just lots of smart people in your school, you end up in the lower set because there is no room in the higher sets

generally, if you're going to move, you must do it when the year closes ready for next year

Lokkij

Right

OMGtechy

once you've started studying the GCSE (the end qualification), I've never seen someone move

some schools start that at age 11

mine started it at age 15 which is apparently considered strange

then again they are a "special" school ...

they failed so hard the government had to intervene

man the more I talk about it the more fucked up it sounds

Lokkij

21:12

The Dutch system does have a similar problem - sometimes really smart kids haven't been recognized as smart when the time comes to choose your level (age ~12), and they get put in the lowest level. This leads to them being extremely unmotivated and possibly even dropping out of school.

OMGtechy

you can drop out?

Lokkij

You can move up, but those kids often don't know they're smart and since they have no motivation they don't improve.

OMGtechy

yeah

Lokkij

Education is mandatory until age ~16

OMGtechy

ah right

Lokkij

21:14

After that.. I'm not sure. Pretty sure you can drop then

Pip

@OMGtechy what platform are you working with Monogame on?

Lokkij

There may be some additional restrictions until you're 18

OMGtechy

@Pip got distracted ... but it was Fedora and Windows

Pip

hmm

OMGtechy

I got annoyed because I couldn't launch MonoDevelop on Fedora

@Lokkij that sounds very much like what just happened here

Pip

21:14

WindowsGL or Windows, specifically?

OMGtechy

@Pip no idea

Pip

@OMGtechy you using the Fedora package or the package provided by Mono?

OMGtechy

the issues were with MonoDevelop not MonoGame

Pip

Yeah IK

I'm asking about that

monodevelop.com/download/linux

OMGtechy

@Pip don't think there is a fedora one, since there's no mono either. I had to add the RPM and get the fedora stuff from the Mono folks

Pip

21:15

hmmmm I have no idea then

OMGtechy

thanks anyway :)

Pip

Huh. I was just having an issue with Monogame needing SDL.dll. I reinstalled the nuget package and it.... works?

Huh

Now I need to write a level editor, damn

:D

This is quite difficult without using programmatically generated terrain

But wait!

OMGtechy

@Pip witchcraft

Pip

I can just programmatically generate it then output as the json

oh man it works

I will probably need to write a level editor at some point though

Alright. Next objective: Implement different game states so I can have a menu state and a pause state as well as the current playing states

They're all in the MoonPark.FixMe namespace atm XD

OMGtechy

xD

Pip

21:41

@IcyDefiance I just realized that the GameStateManager in your code is created three times XD

Once in the Game ctor, and twice in Start()

Kevin van der Velden

... that moment when something just suddenly works and you have no idea why

Pip

@KevinvanderVelden I had that happen yesterday when refactoring. It's a nice feeling

Kevin van der Velden

No, no not at all

I changed nothing of relevance, why are you working? TELL ME WHY CODE D:

Pip

My tile flickering issue disappeared when I refactored something totally unrelated. Or at least I thought.

@KevinvanderVelden You misunderstood, I think :)

Kevin van der Velden

@Pip you said it is a nice feeling, I say it is the opposite of nice =p

Pip

21:44

Ah, I think it's good. At least the issue is fixed :)

@IcyDefiance oh, I missed one. A fourth time since one is in Initialize()

XD

Jon

so your Tiles now hold a reference to your renderer?

It appears that +SourceForge took over the control of the 'GIMP for Windows' account and is now distributing an ads-enabled installer of GIMP. They also locked out original owner of the account, Jernej Simončič, who has been building the Windows versions of GIMP for our project for years.

Pip

ouch

@Jon yep!

Basically, the TileEngine assigns a renderer to the tile, and the tile takes care of updating itself and the renderer with information whenever the render is attached/detached.

Chris

SourceForge is not cool

Icy Defiance

@Pip mm, are you looking at the RadiantVoid code?

Chris

doing stuff like that

Pip

21:58

@IcyDefiance yeah, I adapted a little bit of the code to my game. :)

Jon

SourceForge used to be cool... now they are attempting to stay relevant

git essentially killed them

Icy Defiance

@Pip then I take no responsibility. that thing was hacky as hell and I hadn't even started cleaning it up, lol.

Pip

lol

I'm fine with that

Seems like Hobo is using Unity now anyway

Almo

I'm srtarting to miss playing LoL

well I miss playing anything

downloinading q live right now hoping to get some quake in tomorrow

some of the guys here play quake

Icy Defiance

new league patch happening tomorrow

jinx nerfed, yellow support item buffed, ryze buffed, and a few utility masteries really buffed

the rest is all pretty minor

OMGtechy

22:03

I really like HotS

Icy Defiance

I liked HotS for like 5 matches and then I hit the limits of strategy that game has to offer, lol

Kevin van der Velden

It is working! Mostly

Icy Defiance

point lights over a maze?

Kevin van der Velden

Just some more tweaks and then the combining of the light colours with the actual texture data

@IcyDefiance pretty much, I'm implementing deferred rendering

Icy Defiance

nice

Kevin van der Velden

22:05

This is the output of the light step, there's one more step after that one (which is basically "multiply this buffer by this buffer and send it to the screen"

OMGtechy

@IcyDefiance I can't see how league offers any more than it?

Kevin van der Velden

Hmm I'm gonna need to make some normals for my texture as well

A thing for tomorrow! For now, bed

OMGtechy

I never really liked LoL that much though

DotA 2 was more interesting to me

but HotS really entertains me

Icy Defiance

league is a lot harder to learn, but there's a lot more to learn. it takes like 300 games to hit level 30 in league and even then most people aren't scratching the surface yet.

OMGtechy

meh, I just didn't find it fun, the community sucks IMO

HotS may later get that problem, who knows

Jonathan

22:09

Anyone has any brilliant ideas about this piece of code: http://jsfiddle.net/Jonathan_Ironman/ro9y95b5/24/
It seems horribly inefficient and it's ran 60 times/s
And I still need to add a check so I only hit the first target

Icy Defiance

@OMGtechy league community does suck. actually riot just cracked down hard on that. they introduced a learning AI to autoban people within 15 minutes of a game ending, if they were toxic and got reported.

2 week ban for the first offense. it's a bit crazy.

OMGtechy

well at least they're doing something

SpartanDonut

@IcyDefiance false

Depending on the severity it's possible to get a 3 day ban I believe

One of the people who reported they got no explanation for their pointless ban actually got an explanation from riot

Icy Defiance

not what the news post said, I don't think...

SpartanDonut

Riot agreed that it over banned

Said the account did deserve a ban based on its history but only a shorter ban

and they were going to adjust the weighting of the system accordingly

I could be misremembering perhaps but that's what I'm remembering now xD

Icy Defiance

22:13

"These harmful communications will be punished with two-week or permanent bans within fifteen minutes of game’s end." http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/player-behavior/new-player-reform-system-heads-testing
but if they're tweaking it still, 3 days might be possible now

I don't really care about that anyway

Pip

Whoa. You can declare a method or property both protected and internal at the same time

amazing

Icy Defiance

I think it's a bit over-eager to hand out punishments in the first place. It's banning for things that I would think are just friendly banter, not anything toxic.

I'm kind of afraid to talk at all now, whether I'm angry or not

OMGtechy

@Pip yeah, think about what that means :)

Ali.S

just finished deponia...

took me long enough, with a few lookups in walkthrough

23 hours of the game (the complete journey)

Chris

:O I bought it on sale a couple days ago, haven't installed it yet

for a dollar, artwork looks cool

Ali.S

22:17

@Chris it's a nice game, though sometimes you really need hints since what you do doesn't make sense at all!

@Chris I've bought it during those sales too

Chris

mmm

@Jonathan looks like you're on the right track? Get all enemies that are in the bullet line, find the closest one

I dunno how to do it efficiently in a js game though

Pip

@OMGtechy yeah. I'm using it :D

OMGtechy

awesome :D

Pip

@IcyDefiance Dota has team voice chat

Can say whatever you want. Others can mute you. It works out well

Jonathan

@Chris Yes it works, but I think it might crash a low end machine :P

Pip

22:25

if you say anything really horrible people will report you, but the community is really lenient with it :D

Icy Defiance

riot came up with some reason they don't want to implement that

Pip

lol why

Chris

@Jonathan I have some framerate stutter on my MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz

Icy Defiance

something something more toxicity

Pip

we have text as well but the voice is both really good and very useful

Icy Defiance

22:26

curse voice chat used to be popular for league, but only because they provided jungle camp timers, and then riot added that to the client themselves so now no one uses it anymore

Chris

dat pingspam though
can't remember if that's included with muting or not

Pip

@IcyDefiance lol

@Chris Pingspamming is fun on occasion

Chris

ping of shame

Pip

Also for the fuckwits who do stupid things sometimes at my MMR

Icy Defiance

only sometimes?

Chris

22:27

I admit if I made a mistake, it happens

but I do the mute if they keep going on about it lol

Icy Defiance

lol yesterday I lost a game because the adc face checked a bush after receiving about 18 caution pings and 2 chat messages saying "it's a bait"

Pip

I hate my ranked MMR at the moment. I'm calibrating and the only game I've lost so far in solo ranked was because of a person who decided that they wanted mid. I was Zeus, and they sat there and stole farm. Meanwhile, we lost bot tower, he stole runes constantly, and then we lost because we were both underfarmed

Chris

@IcyDefiance sigh, humans

Pip

Yeah :/

God this is BS @IcyDefiance forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/…

Chris

I'm currently playing 500-toy pickup

my kid has strewn cards all over the floor and various toys

Pip

22:30

Nice :D

@IcyDefiance also.... lookee what I found from reddit: i.imgur.com/NuXgs05.jpg

Look for the "Voice Chat" part

Icy Defiance

mhm

MLM

@Jonathan It looks like you are causing a bunch of "forced synchonous layout". I think you could benefit from keeping track of the ship position internally instead of querying the dom over and over. Also batching your DOM calls when turning the ship, making explosions, etc should help

Icy Defiance

I think most of the problems with the league community are just because it's so popular. Idiots and trolls always go to the most popular games, and once you're pushing 50 games with afks or trolls, sometimes getting streaks of games with afks or trolls, you just start hating everyone.

Once everyone hates everyone, there's no saving it.

Chris

lol

MLM

@Jonathan Use chromes dev tools timeline to really dive into the bottlenecks. The flame chart view is really nice

Chris

22:35

dota, if you fail to ready up during the matchmaking thing when a game pops, you get a 3min wait time before you can queue again to try and find another game.

in-game, if you afk for 5 mins, you get punished and have to play low priority-queue games before you can play with regular players again. serious business

even afking during the hero selection, you lose gold if you take too long

Jonathan

@MLM Lemme check

Jon

great name.

Icy Defiance

@Chris league has a low priority queue, but not for afks. that's mainly for people who decline the matchmaker too many times.

they'll straight up ban you if you afk too many times, but that takes some effort to trigger

Chris

man, dota, 1 time and you get punished, valve don't take no shit

heh

Jon

remember that game company that threatened to kill a valve employee?

Icy Defiance

22:40

riot's waaay more concerned about people saying "fuck you" than about people suiciding into the enemy 20 times and trying to lose

Chris

@Jon I remember of it but not any names

Icy Defiance

and I honestly don't understand why
but meh, I still like the game itself

Jon

exactly :P

Chris

and he like left the company supposedly but then rejoined

Jon

I remember the event, but not the game or the company.

Chris

22:41

arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/10/…

Jon

Uber declared illegal in quebec

Chris

:(

Jonathan

@MLM Nice tip, thanks. I'll read some more about that part of devtools. I'll rewrite this thing to canvas so the DOM querying shouldn't be an issue then.

Jon

its actuallky UBERX and not UBER

which apparently doesn't require drivers to have a taxi license.

All I care about, is competition, so the prices go down

a taxi ride is ridiculously pricy

Chris

yeah but "omg it's different!"

can't handle change

would disrupt existing business models! noooo

Jonathan

22:43

@Jon I just had a brilliant idea for a new company. FLUBER

Chris

it's sad

Jon

the issue at hand, is that the taxi businesses are putting pressure on government

and government is like.. mmmokay

Chris

sucks eh

Jonathan

Where drivers dont require a drivers license at all.

Chris

in NZ there's been a small stint about Uber, not really though but yeah, same sort of conservative mentality unfortunately

I haven't needed to hire a ride recently but I have Uber on my phone ready to go

Pip

22:45

@IcyDefiance in Dota you can report for "Intentional Feeding". Heavy punishment IIRC

Jon

i'm all for ride sharing

Icy Defiance

you can report for that in league too but it doesn't seem to do anything

instead I get chat restricted for saying "fuck you" to the guy who was feeding

Pip

Ouch

Icy Defiance

seriously I got chat restricted for that. it actually happened.

SpartanDonut

Are we sure the new system only looks at chat logs?

Jon

22:46

hmmm..

even if a chat is out of context

Icy Defiance

chat logs plus a "weight" from any past reports that were valid but not quite worth a ban

it doesn't look at gameplay yet

SpartanDonut

It's in the works apparently from your link

Icy Defiance

yeah once that's done it might be nice

MickLH

who wants to buy me a mousepad! :D

Icy Defiance

they're like $8 lol

buy your own

Jon

22:48

i made one out of paper

works great

MickLH

lol I made a paper one too

but I destroy them while playing CS

Jon

get better paper

lol

MickLH

:P

who wants to buy me better paper! :D

Pip

I have like four sitting in my desk drawer

Jon

paint canvas could work

Pip

22:49

how do you not have one?

Jon

mail me one pip

Pip

Lol

Icy Defiance

Newegg gave me a bundle deal for a SteelSeries pad when I bought my mouse
it's like 2x the size of "normal" mouse pads, but otherwise it's the same as any other

Pip

I have a NOVA one, a plain blue one, and a Zoombak one.

Jon

remember ball mice?

MickLH

22:50

@Pip how much do they weigh?

Pip

not much at all. Like a few oz.

MickLH

envelope?

lol

Pip

Could probably do that

Jon

the guy that invented the mouse -- actually got deodorant with the roller balls, and made a prototype with that

MickLH

something tells me not to post my address, but to email it to you instead :P

Pip

22:50

But.... so much effort. I would have to walk to the post office and mail it :/

MickLH

pffft pip...

that's what the flag on your mailbox is for

Jon

put the flag up

MickLH

Load buffer, set flag.

Pip

But parents be like "What you doing, sending a mouse pad to some random guy from the internets"

XD

MickLH

<3

Jon

22:51

lmao

yeah nevermind

Pip

brb, gotta eat food

Jon

bbl

Icy Defiance

@Pip don't you know all internet people are evil and want to kidnap you at some nearby park?

4

even if you're at the post office mailing something to a person in another state, that person in another state will kidnap you at a nearby park, guaranteed

MickLH

yeah I'm pretty fucked up

Icy Defiance

if you both use the internet and go outside within the same lifetime, you'll probably be kidnapped

that's just how the world works now

I sound more bitter about that one than I really am, lol. It's really just amusing.

Pip

23:08

:D

I live about 300 feet from that nearby park. Oh my.

MickLH

good

Pip

23:59

Eyy! Stuff is now separated into states!

Doin' the work!

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