Game Development

Hjorthenify

17:00

Oh wow.. The robot played a victory fanfare when it was done.

Jon

Contrast Ratio
600:1

Response Time
5 ms

pretty weak

Pip

I have no idea what those specs mean

other than for resp. time lower is better

It's also hella cheap

@MickLH I did not know what my original question asked. I did know what you said after that, and typed the wrong thing. Chill bro :)

MickLH

Are you not chill? I'm having a great time like always, but if you think it's not chill then I'll give you space :P

Pip

Nah it's fine :)

Jon

@Pip its a good price yeah -- depends what you are looking for

Icy Defiance

17:03

my bad on the lack of chill. I disappeared for a while.

Pip

hahaha

I'm looking for 2 1080p monitors for my build which will happen not for a while

I'll probably go through it when I actually build and upgrade things if they have improved

Jon

looks like a good buy for the price

they are on sale at the dell website right now

90$ off

Pip

pcpartpicker.com/p/G8CDVn

SpartanDonut

@IcyDefiance huehuehue

Pip

oh link?

I might have to grab then

Jon

17:04

canada

MickLH

hey @Pip did you ever figure out that assignment with the security testing?

Pip

I did yeah

MickLH

Nice, what did you do differently from the answer I gave you?

Pip

Just curled the page

Jon

everything is more expensive in Canada

Pip

17:05

(php script)

2 mins ago, by Pip

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G8CDVn

Check it out :)

Jon

AMD BLECH!

Pip

uh

Apparently I had two video cards

Jon

i'd drop one of the video cards, and get intel+asus instead

Pip

Asus what?

Also, Intel is expensive

Jon

z97-a

Pip

17:07

I dropped the extra video card, ofc

Alright, I'll check it out

MickLH

@Pip Next time I hope you can actually solve it! sorry for helping you cheat

I trusted you to not pretend the answer was your own, honestly :/

Jon

i just hate AMD after bad builds

Pip

@MickLH No problem, it was hash that actually needed the help

Jon

I haven't gotten AMD for over 15 years now

MickLH

@Jon 6-core 4.0ghz $200

Pip

17:08

I have AMD in both of my PCs, never had a problem

MickLH

couple years ago lol

Intel can suck me

Jon

heh, well intel is superior.. AMD is the budget proc

MickLH

I'll buy 5 AMDs for the same price as one Intel, do you really think the Intel is 5x better?

Pip

@MickLH this is the one I was looking at: pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd6300wmhkbox

@Jon this better? pcpartpicker.com/part/benq-monitor-gw2255

Jon

naw, its pretty much the same

all these cheap monitors use IPS panels

Pip

17:12

Yep

Jon

cheap way to produce LCD screen

Pip

So... the choice is AMD vs Intel

Jon

i'd get the dell one over benq

Pip

alright

Jon

I <3 intel

so i'm biased

I'll more than likely never build an AMD setup every again

MickLH

17:13

I'm an overclocker, and care about cost. So I'm biased too.

Pip

Biased towards.... what?

MickLH

Towards AMD obviously lol

Pip

ah kek

Jon

I made a presentation in college about why intel was superior

MickLH

I always buy aftermarket cooling, because I've found that spending the last $10 - $50 on cooling is more efficient use of money than spending it on the processor itself, if you want performance per dollar.

Pip

17:16

God now I need to find a good processer

looking for at all of them, so many choices

SpartanDonut

Isn't AMD's multithread performance equal to and sometimes better than intels? I thought it was the single thread processing where Intel shit on AMD.

Pip

Thinking about this one

pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd8350frhkbox

@SpartanDonut yeah it is

SpartanDonut

But I think that's also old info..

Jon

It may not offer, “More bang for your buck” but the phrase "You get what you pay for" can be said about the Athlon processor.

Pip

Opinion @MickLH?

MickLH

17:19

I haven't tried the FX series yet, but I'll ask my CPU enthusiast friend how he feels about his today :P

Pip

cool

Icy Defiance

@SpartanDonut Mick might know better, but what I've read implies Intel always performs a little better as long as you're using the same number of threads on both cpus. AMD makes 16-core cpus though, and that might be nice for things that actually use all the cores (pretty much only 3D rendering)

SpartanDonut

That could be. I have no clue :D

Icy Defiance

the difference isn't huge though, and overclocking sometimes evens the playing field entirely, plus AMD is cheaper

MickLH

Just off the top of my head, I believe intel refers to a "core" as an instruction decoder.

Where AMD refers to a "core" as a CPU

So an 8 core AMD, has 8 CPUs. While an 8 core Intel, has 8 instruction decoders, and 4 of the rest of the CPU.

Jon

17:25

Right, and 8 core processor is currently only really useful in specific situations

Icy Defiance

yeah I heard about that

Jon

such as decoding / encoding video

Pip

Compiling instantly!

MickLH

It's called HyperThreading

Icy Defiance

I have an I7, but only because I got a nice bundle deal on Newegg
can't say I really dislike either brand

Pip

17:25

8 secs ago, by Pip

Compiling instantly!

More cores == better compile times if you specify to use all of the cores

MickLH

My last build was an Intel back when Core 2 was basically, "Get this if you're sane."

But then my current build was AMD, back when Phenom 2 was basically, "Get this if you're sane."

Pip

~~I have a Phenom 2~~ My dad has a Phenom 2 sitting in a box, but he won't let me have it.

No idea why

Anyhow, current build: pcpartpicker.com/p/3hrmpg

MickLH

lol my dad did that to me with a Pentium 4 back when I had a Pentium 3

Pip

Still needs a case and keyboard (I have speakers)

Oh, and a power supply

MickLH

I'm screwing around with gaming and trying to make a game, and my CPU can barely handle the physics engines I want to use... and he had a fucking P4 3.4ghz extreme edition to check his email.

I'm running out of ram with the 512MB I could scrape together, looking at the LEDs on his shiny 2 gigs lol

One day he found my hidden account on his computer lol, he got really mad

Pip

17:30

lol

What's a good power supply brand? Looking for 500 watts +

Jon

corsair

Pip

Alright. That's the only one I recognize but I wanted to make sure. Thanks

Jon

try to get a modular one if you can

they are pretty sweet

i guess a cheap modular power supply woudln't be that sweet, lol

MickLH

I've had good experiences with corsair too, but someone gave me an antec and it's also working great

Pip

My options are non-modular or semi-modular

Jon

17:32

just as long as you don't get a shit generic one

MickLH

Also I've seen countless shit generic ones literally go up in smoke hahaha

Jon

the modular ones you can just plug in what you need -- really awesome for cable management / airflow

Pip

cool

MickLH

One time while gaming, someones PSU melted and the rubber on the wires caught fire

Pip

whoa

Jon

17:33

yeah, one of my older pcs power supply died -- when I looked at it, it had no manufacturer information or part number on it

no idea wtf it was

Icy Defiance

PSU can easily ruin other parts of the computer if it goes bad, so yeah don't go cheap...but it's also basically a metal brick with a few wires through it, so you don't have to worry too much, lol

MickLH

It was the most spectacular failure I've seen, smoke literally pumping out of the case fans.

He got so fucking lucky too, computer survived, actually it continued running and he had to shut it down manually.

Jon

it is actually a transformer brick

with multi-rail power feeds

Pip

Corsair for the case as well?

Jon

Cases are all shit nowadays

thin aluminium

MickLH

17:35

Actually we were playing counter-strike at the time, it was an intense game, and I pointed out the smoke and we kept playing the round

And then sorta all looked at each other like, wait, fucking... seriously OH SHIT

Jon

:D

I have a Thermaltake case

thick aluminum.. weighs about 50lbs

Pip

I've heard Corsair and Thermaltake

meh

22 bucks for a Thermaltake one

Jon

the thicker, the quieter

which one?

don't get the mini-atx ones :P

Pip

pcpartpicker.com/part/thermaltake-case-vl80001w2z

I'm looking for regular atx, mid or full tower

Jon

not bad.. i went with full tower

its massive.

Pip

17:40

As far as a fan

what's good?

I understand less db is better

brands?

Jon

i haven't been in that market in a while, but back in the day coolermaster was pretty popular

still seem to be

Pip

kk

Jon

how can you afford this anyways?

Pip

I cannot at the moment :)

All funds will be devoted towards this

It's a dream at the moment though :D

Icy Defiance

cool thing is, once you build your own computer, then you can spill water on it 6 months later and only replace the gpu instead of the whole thing :D

not that I've done this...

Pip

17:51

Nice :D

Jon

plus you are gonna get a bunch of girls

Pip

Lol right :/

Jovito

@MLM @JohnMcDonald You there?

MLM

@Jovito Ask the question

Jovito

That notification alert almost made me fall of my chair.

Icy Defiance

18:03

@Jovito what's the question, Jovito?!

WHAT'S IN THE BOX?!

Jovito

You're awfully jolly today @Icy

@MLM I'm having some trouble understanding how to make the ui stuff work.

Icy Defiance

no I'm just trying to mentally escape from my current programming project, generating an XML spreadsheet with an SQL stored procedure

it's horrible, so I'm talking here instead

MLM

@Jovito Using React?

Jovito

@MLM Not yet because I wanted to first learn how to position dom elements on top of the canvas, and have things resize and align, all of that.

MLM

@Jovito k, Make a jsFiddle of your current setup (barebones)

Jovito

18:06

@MLM can we move this to a private room?

Noctrine

That reminds me, gotta pull the trigger on my upstairs PC

MLM

@Jovito no need yet, make the fiddle

Jon

private room... va va voom

Jovito

18:27

@MLM jsfiddle.net/Jovito/yv4agyn3

MLM

@Jovito Is there a definite reason why you want to position things absolutely?

Jovito

@MLM I thought that was the way to position dom elements on top of the canvas.

You do need that outside container, right?

MLM

I'll show you how I would do it. Also, you should order your css properties in a some way (just be consistent)

Jovito

@MLM But I did, alphabetically.

MLM

@Jovito Sorry didn't notice, although not the way I do things

@Jovito jsfiddle.net/yv4agyn3/2

You can make a UI container that is absolutely positioned(so it is over top of the sibling) but takes up all the space of the parent so you have a nice overlay space

Jovito

18:40

@MLM Can you center vertically and horizontally both the container and canvas?

I want it to remain centered even when you zoom in/out.

MLM

@Jovito I am using flex for convenience: jsfiddle.net/yv4agyn3/3

Any other centering method works: howtocenterincss.com

2

Jovito

That's a lot more complicated than what I did.

MLM

@Jovito Not really, that first part is just some foundation styles for the page.

Mainly the box-sizing: border-box which is really nice to work with

Here they are just moved below because they are not really relevant to the problem: jsfiddle.net/yv4agyn3/4

Jovito

Yeah, that's what I was talking about.

Wait, you're using border-box to not have to account for the border width when centering the button?

OMGtechy

Just applied to work at Google.

MLM

18:49

@Jovito I am not really taking advantage of it at all atm but I can see it coming. It is mainly to include padding (and border) in the specified width

See the mdn doc: developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/box-sizing

Noctrine

@OMGtechy What position?

MLM

@OMGtechy Nice, what you aiming after

Jovito

@MLM That's brilliant! I was looking for something like that.

OMGtechy

@Noctrine @MLM Software Engineer :)

Noctrine

Border-box is a must if you need to position things exactly

@OMGtechy California?

OMGtechy

18:51

London

They hired a lot of people who work where I am now, I don't know why but it seems be a natural progression aha

Jovito

@MLM Just one more thing, could you show me a div positioned at the bottom of the canvas 100px high and spanning the whole canvas width? Like, how would you make it span the whole canvas width (minus margin and border) given however wide the canvas/container may be.

Noctrine

Is your canvas larger than the window?

Jovito

What do you mean by window? The browser window?

MLM

@Jovito jsfiddle.net/yv4agyn3/5

Noctrine

Yeah

Jovito

18:56

@Noctrine nope

Noctrine

yeah, I just checked the fiddle.

Smaller container, but still the way I'd handle it

Jovito

@MLM That's awesome.

MLM

Btw, I use .appendTo over .append because .appendTo returns the created elements

Pip

@OMGtechy nice!

MLM

Which can be nice sometimes to scope some bindings

OMGtechy

18:57

@Pip it's strange how life progresses

Pip

My dream job is to work at Nvidia

doing hardware

MLM

FPGA's ftw

Pip

:D

MLM

@Pip If you need to learn, I recommend this course: hamsterworks.co.nz/mediawiki/index.php/FPGA_course

Hjorthenify

@OMGtechy Good luck(not that you need it) ;)

Jovito

18:59

@MLM Just noticed, youre missing some pixels in width and height there.

MickLH

@Pip and if you need unlimited excitement about the future of logic, just check out Reciprocal Quantum Logic lol

MLM

@Jovito Add 2px padding

Pip

I'm going to do a bunch of stuff this summer with electronics. I'm fairly experienced with Arduino and sensors (because of Robotics) but I might try out FPGA's

OMGtechy

@Hjorthenify aha thanks

@Pip you'll get it if you want :)

Pip

A friend of mine has a course dealing with them next semester of college

@OMGtechy :D

Noctrine

19:00

@MickLH Sounds expensive.

OMGtechy

deffo look into FPGAs

MickLH

@Noctrine very fucking!

but superconductor temperatures keep going up :)

it might not be one day

Jovito

@MLM yeah anyway, thanks for you help.

MLM

@Jovito no problem

MickLH

also, I think something about being hard to reach makes things more exciting

Noctrine

19:03

Man that's awesome.

Reading that NSA document on superconducting technology makes me miss the days when I wanted to do crazy research.

Pip

So, I need a new goal for MoonPark

and a new name :/

OMGtechy

Bob

Pip

Tile rendering working. Zooming and Panning working. Object pooling working

next objective.....

Noctrine

MoonPark?

What do you do in it?

Pip

It's a citybuilder

or will be at some point

Noctrine

19:12

To the Moon!

Hjorthenify

@Pip What are u making it in?

Pip

C# with Monogame

Noctrine

"To the Moon!!"

Hjorthenify

Ahh

Noctrine

No more than two "!" though.

For some reason, that also reminded me of the Astronaut Jones theme

Hjorthenify

19:14

@Pip Why not unity? :P

Pip

Because Monogame is good and I wanted to work with it again. Unity is good but I really prefer writing my own code for framework and stuff

Hjorthenify

19:27

I see

OMGtechy

@Hjorthenify are you from sweden or did I get totally the wrong place

Hjorthenify

Close by :P I'm from Denmark

OMGtechy

ah damn

OMGtechy

19:59

@Hjorthenify do you speak any swedish?

Var kan jag hitta någon som talar engelska?

Var kan jag hitta någon som talar svenska?

Almo

Jag hitta som svenska talar var någon som.

OMGtechy

Well I don't speak it so :P

Almo

;)

OMGtechy

Just applied to work in Sweden

Almo

cool

OMGtechy

20:14

scarey stuff

Almo

I know someone who really liked it there

OMGtechy

never been there

ah really?

Dev2rights

i love the place tbh

have several friends who moved there about 11 years ago

OMGtechy

simultaneously ?

Almo

hahahaha

Dev2rights

20:16

yeah 6 of them

Almo

programmers

Dev2rights

nah artsy types

Almo

I mean OMGT thinking how you said it meant they moved simo

Lokkij

The Nordic countries seem like nice countries to live.

Dev2rights

yeah 2 of them are getting married there so will be going there in September

to one of the amazingly beautiful lakes

such beautiful scenery there

high tax but high quality of life

OMGtechy

20:18

OMG IKEA

Pip

Ikea is good

Lokkij

I don't care about taxes as long as the quality of life is good and as long as they're relatively progressive.

Dev2rights

They are very progressive

i was very tempted to move there at one point

OMGtechy

yeah if taxes help the quality of life then I have no issue

Dev2rights

my gf at the time was Swedish and it was a consideration

crazy laws on booze though

OMGtechy

20:19

really?

Dev2rights

yeah

OMGtechy

how so?

Dev2rights

you can only buy proper strenght beer from goverment ran booze shops

OMGtechy

wow

Dev2rights

and they are only in major towns / cities

OMGtechy

20:20

rather different from England aha

I'm looking at Stockholm

Dev2rights

yeah very different

ive only been around the south up to Malmö

OMGtechy

What about vodka?

Dev2rights

Any booze

you can get i think like 2.5% beer from shops

but i swear it is closer to 0.5%

absolutley impossible to get drunk on it

OMGtechy

challenge accepted xD

Lokkij

Hahaha

Dev2rights

20:21

my mates put on a festival there for 5 years

trust me that challenge has been attempted

OMGtechy

@MichaelMyers austin powers

@Dev2rights I'll take your word for it :P

Michael Myers

@OMGtechy You're thinking of my twin brother Mike

OMGtechy

nibbles finger

Dev2rights

might be possible if you pump it in intravenously, though the amount would still be insane

OMGtechy

lolol I'll pass

it's strange, cider makes me drunk fast but vodka does not

although my more recent experiments with gin provided I'm no longer immune to it

Aww I really wanna go to Sweden now

Lokkij

20:30

The only countries I would really like to live would be the Nordic countries, Canada, The Netherlands or maybe Germany.

Luckily I already live in NL so no need to move. :P

Jon

@Pip good work

OMGtechy

@Lokkij aha you like colder places ? :P

Lokkij

I like progressive places with a high standard of living, and those turn out to be colder places. :P

OMGtechy

better freezers = better food = better brains = better life

Lokkij

Must be it.

I've heard the availability (and consumption) of fresh vegetables is lacking in a large part of the world.. but not in those countries. Coincidence? I think not!

OMGtechy

20:36

ahaha

OMGtechy

20:47

maybe it's the fish

Pip

@Jon thanks!

MickLH

@OMGtechy if only there were a way to program like this lol

OMGtechy

@MickLH world peace = false

MickLH

the ultimate declarative language, the name could be a pun on "state the obvious"

Pip

@Lokkij USA! USA! USA! USA!

Lokkij

20:50

Looks like I did pretty well on the central chemistry exam. Which means I am finally done with middle/high school! :D

5

Pip

Nice!

MickLH

nice

OMGtechy

@Lokkij congrats!!!

Lokkij

I completely ruined the Latin exam but luckily that doesn't really matter as long as the rest of the exams are good.

Also thanks! :D

OMGtechy

wait so you finish depending on how good your grades are?

Lokkij

20:52

@Pip Nah man. I'd prefer to live in a country where noone will frown when you say you're gay/agnostic. Also I've heard the availability of fresh veggies over there is just terrible. :P

OMGtechy

you don't just finish?

Lokkij

Yeah

OMGtechy

wut.

Lokkij

Of course it depends on your grades?

OMGtechy

It doesn't here.

Lokkij

20:53

Weird.

Pip

@Lokkij It's not really that bad, especially if you know where to go for them

OMGtechy

I find your way weird :P

Pip

Also... the gay stuff is very opinionated. Depends on where you live/who you interact with

OMGtechy

Here, you just get your results and that's it. You're done, doesn't matter what they are.

Lokkij

I mean you have to screw up pretty badly to have to redo the year, but it can happen.

OMGtechy

20:53

ouch

You can outright fail everything (grade U) here and still leave at the same time as everyone else.

Until recently, that time was when you were around 16

recently though they've changed it so that you must go and do something else "educational" after for 2 years

Lokkij

That's just seems strange to me. Don't bad grades mean you do not yet have the required skills -> you need to learn some more?

OMGtechy

Na, just means you failed.

Sure you should have tried harder, but it's too late.

Lokkij

Oh it probably has to do with the fact that middle/high school here is already divided in different level of education. I go to grammar school (highest) and it's much more difficult than VMBO (lowest).

OMGtechy

I've seen people put ahead by a year or two before in extremely rare circumstances (you'll have only a handful in the country and they're like uber genius).

Lokkij

Though you'll learn other things in VMBO (the more practical stuff)

OMGtechy

20:56

Never EVER back a year though. It's unheard of.

@Lokkij grammar school exists here too, it's like the "clever people" school and a bit elitist

dunno if it's the same there

but even at grammar school it's the same, you take the test once and you get your grade. Done.

Lokkij

Education in the Netherlands

Education in the Netherlands is characterized by division: education is oriented toward the needs and background of the pupil. Education is divided over schools for different age groups, some of which are divided in streams for different educational levels. Schools are furthermore divided in public, special (religious), and general-special (neutral) schools, although there are also a few private schools. The Dutch grading scale runs from 1 (very poor) to 10 (outstanding). The Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), coordinated by the Organization for Economic Co-operation and...

They can explain it better than I can. :P

OMGtechy

very different

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