Game Development

Almo

19:00

hahah

Joe

dc.ubm-us.com/i/360245-game-career-guide-august2014 Game Career Guide 2014 came out

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Almo

wish i knew who was sabotaging our egg

user4704

Probably Code Golf, as they've been doing it to basically everybody.

user4704

It's a dumb game, poorly conceived, quickly implemented, and completely broken in terms of trivial expoitability.

SpartanDonut

@Joe Includes the salary survey. Nice.

Joe

19:04

^ they do pretty good with this the past 2 years I read it

SpartanDonut

Even full time QA is a very viable job. Love to see these stats

user4704

And nobody at SE is going to do anything about it, it sounds like, so it's basically not worth playing.

Almo

Sounds like you're right

Nathan Osman

Anyone want to get help make sure Code Golf doesn't get too far ahead? I haz a UserScript...

2 mins ago, by Josh Petrie

It's a dumb game, poorly conceived, quickly implemented, and completely broken in terms of trivial expoitability.

^--- you were right!

user4704

Contributing to the exploits is not a good idea.

Nathan Osman

19:07

It's just automating what we could all do anyway. (Clicking "Restart".)

SpartanDonut

> Fifty-seven percent of indie game developers (including both solo indies and members of indie teams) made under $500 in game sales. On the other end of the spectrum 2 percent made over $200,000 in game sales.

Also an important stat

Joe

queue pokemon music "immmabtheverybestleikno1evarwuz"

user4704

Right, so, lots of people are annoyed at the behavior of the PCCG users and calling their behavior various forms of reprehensible, so the solution is to do the same reprehensible thing back?

user4704

No thanks.

SpartanDonut

The game industry gender wage gap is smaller than the national average

Almo

19:10

that's kind of surprising

SpartanDonut

86 cents to the dollar opposed to 77 cents to the dollar

Almo

lol

0

Q: C++ project ideas?

I have a project to do for my C++ class, however I don't really have any ideas for it. I need to have at least 3 functions, one array, one string, two arithmetic operators, and a user input in the program. What could be something that would have these in it?

c++

Joe

QA females earning more than males way to go

SpartanDonut

^

All I get from that is that maybe the pay gap isn't entirely due to sexism

But I'm not sure how that's measured

Might just be years of experience

But many people with a certain number of years of experience doesn't equate to the same quality of knowledge regardless of gender

I dunno

Fun to read stats anyway. Thanks Joe.

Joe

np I like the book good read... wish I could buy a copy in paper

Icy Defiance

19:24

@SpartanDonut The pay gap doesn't exist. IIRC when you compare males and females working the same job, the difference goes to 97 cents on the dollar instead of 70-whatever, and when you control for hours worked as well the difference disappears entirely.

Almo

been watching the pcg egg..... somebody is restart voting them

Icy Defiance

that's not to say sexism doesn't exist in other ways (glass ceiling), but pay isn't one of those ways

SpartanDonut

@IcyDefiance Those stats are also in the article

Icy Defiance

ah okay I didn't read the article. just got here.

Kevin van der Velden

@Almo yeah, some assholes from codegolf SE

SpartanDonut

19:26

Being an optimist I would like to believe that the gap really isn't there as well if you truly compare apples to apples

Almo

@KevinvanderVelden pcg is code golf

Kevin van der Velden

Oh

Then some asshole retaliating probably

Almo

heheh

someone there apologized for restarting us

Icy Defiance

as far as programming goes, the most blatant sexism is probably refusing to hire a female in the first place. the people who would hire a female would probably also pay them close to the same.

people who don't get hired don't enter into those wage statistics

SpartanDonut

Right

At least the employers I've worked for have that kind of attitude (I think)

Joe

19:30

damn whats with audio

Icy Defiance

interesting that audio and art have much bigger differences than the others...

Joe

arts not far behind either but still

OMGtechy

Anyone else noticed StackEgg?

Joe

trying not to, seems like a mess

Hjorthenify

Does C# use C-style casts?

OMGtechy

19:32

@Hjorthenify as in do they look like them or do they work like them?

Because Yes and No in respectively

Hjorthenify

@OMGtechy What's different about them? And yes they do look like them.

OMGtechy

In what context, C -> C# or C++ -> C#?

Almo

@OMGtechy yes

there's a huge fight about it

OMGtechy

What, why?

Almo

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Q: When something that was supposed to be fun became not fun

StackEgg! What a great invention. Probably the best thing to hit Stack Exchange since the invention of unicoins! Very entertaining game, very fun to play. Many users have probably spent several hours playing this. And April Fool's day is not over yet. However, where there is great inventions t...

discussion fun april-fools stackegg

Hjorthenify

19:37

@OMGtechy C++ -> C#

Almo

PCG went around as a group voting to reset other sites' games so they could be on top of the leaderboard.

we got reset several times... we used to be #3 on the leaderboard

MLM

That was featured in the Meta newsletter

OMGtechy

@Hjorthenify how much do you know about c-style casting in C++?

Hjorthenify

@OMGtechy The syntax and that it's generally avoided. Also that it's not validated in any ways.

OMGtechy

@Hjorthenify open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2011/n3242.pdf 5.4 Explicit type conversion (cast notation) [expr.cast]

C++ c-style casts try lots of different types of casts

the first that appears to work is used

(very loosely speaking)

hence them being avoided

Hjorthenify

19:41

Really?

Wow.

OMGtechy

Indeed. I'd imagine the C# style cast is more akin to static_cast

Which is much nicer

C style casts do all sorts, including removing const-ness and just plain reinterpreting

Hjorthenify

Ahh I see. It there dynamic_casts in C#?

SpartanDonut

@Almo what a disaster

OMGtechy

@Hjorthenify yes

it's not called that of course

Hjorthenify

I can see an reintrepreting cast would be bad if not intended..

OMGtechy

19:42

exactly

Almo

yup, it is

Icy Defiance

in C# there's two types of casts. first is the (Type) cast, which can change the type of an object to any of its supertypes, or any type that it has an explicit/implicit cast operator for. (msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/xhbhezf4.aspx) invalid casts throw a compile time error. casts to a subtype also work, but will throw a runtime error if invalid, IIRC.

the other type of cast is "as Type", which is basically the same, except it never throws an exception and just returns null if the cast is invalid

Hjorthenify

I see. Thanks!

OMGtechy

+ there's is

Hjorthenify

How do you do the as type cast?

OMGtechy

19:47

@Hjorthenify just type myVar as SomeType

Hjorthenify

So 22 as float, etc?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

What the heck is Stack Egg :P

Icy Defiance

yep

OMGtechy

@William'MindWorX'Mariager tamogochi stack exchange

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Looks silly :P

OMGtechy

19:47

it is aha

Almo

it's a group tamagotchi

but it has deep exploitable flaws

OMGtechy

no surprise that code golf is winning aha

Almo

it seems they have a few restart raiders I'm watching their votes

really sad this degenerated so fast

OMGtechy

I am voting to restart all the time just for teh lulz

on the SO one

Also, I'm making a colour space conversion library for .NET, any requests?

Lokkij

I'm really enjoying Of Monsters and Men's new song, though it feels like some of the lyrics were put there primarily because they rhyme.

SpartanDonut

20:10

Didn't know they had a new album. Thanks for the tip :D

Lokkij

:)

Almo

20:24

pcg has 3 restart trolls now... would take many more to reset them

SpartanDonut

I'm about to win

Or something

The last few hearts is tricky

Almo

game dev close to finishing one?

SpartanDonut

lol

I had no clue ther ewas a close button

could have been done years ago

Whoever joined when I said something has doomed us all xD

Almo

:)

SpartanDonut

YOU

Almo

20:34

WHAT

SpartanDonut

IM ON TO YOU

Almo

WHAT DID I DO

SpartanDonut

close is such a bad option this late in the game D:

Almo

heheh

SpartanDonut

well maybe with traffic being low now it will be ok

Higher traffic it seems like you don't get ahead close voting

Almo

20:37

probably not

if you go to the pcg chat, you can see a lot of interesting strategy discussion. they seem to have analyzed it pretty well

SpartanDonut

My strat was questions should be higher than answers; Quality comes before users; Vote the rest up while you can. lol

Worked pretty well

Almo

:D

SpartanDonut

I WILL FIND THE PERSON WHO KEEPS VOTING TO CLOSE

Almo

heheh

SpartanDonut

I had it down to two hearts at one point and then all of a sudden "Close vote!" and we ded

Could have been sub 300 :(

omg

they voted to close and in a rage i accidentally voted to close

this person

Kevin van der Velden

20:48

Whieee, giant map

Takes 20 seconds to generate

(But could easily be multithreaded)

SpartanDonut

I quit

All hearts filled except 1 quality and 2 traffic. guy votes to close

And new game anyway

but still

Aidan Mueller

Does anybody know the difference between $( ... ), $[ ... ], and ${ ... } in bash?

Almo

woa nice

@AidanMueller sorry i don't i'd have to look it up

Mutch95

21:06

@AidanMueller yep and it's a very depressing result lol

SpartanDonut

Yeah I've decided stack egg is no fun

I can't communicate with the others playing the logic behind my decisions to sway their voting

So I just sit there and hope they vote the way I do

Jon

nice map @KevinvanderVelden

SpartanDonut

And then I hope I win the coin toss when they dont

Kevin van der Velden

@Jon thanks :)

I'm currently rendering a better one, I found a bug =p

Almo

you could communicate with me

I'd vote with you

SpartanDonut

21:10

Nah....

Better games to play :D

Kevin van der Velden

(if you are trying to increase the size of something by adjusting the min/max values from which it is calculated. Increase the max value)

Almo

:D

Kevin van der Velden

^ 2048x2048 pixels, click to view the full thing

Mutch95

i cannot focus on that ahhhhh it's too early in the morning

Chris

last call for Tallowmere iOS testers, just need your email, bout to click the "Send Invites" button :D

Mutch95

21:13

meeeee

!

itunes email ?

@Chris [email protected]

Chris

kk ty

Mutch95

no no ty ty

:)

going to play this all day at school lol

Almo

@Chris oh yeha

Test Flight doesn't work on iOS 7 anymore

so I can't test this even if I wanted to

Chris

ah, well there ya go :\

Almo

:(

well good luck with it anyway :)

Chris

21:18

cheers

Mutch95

:D downloaded

Tell you what my thumb covers the health

Dave

What is a good name given to a weapon which has different damage amounts based on distance like a gun, far away = less damage, close up = lots of damage.

I currently call it "damage gradient" but i don't like the term and the general player may not understand from reading it what it even means

Mutch95

shot gun

oh opps

Chris

@Mutch95 that is true. imo in a way, if you're getting hit you're gonna die shortly after lol. but a big "Your health is low!" text comes up at the top if you're <= 50%, so hmm

Mutch95

yeah that's true, also enabling the shield I think it should be hold to enable otherwise you need to learn to double tap quickly so you can flip the shield to right if you need to block it

but i can tell I'm going to have some fun today

i'll make a list on what i think is wrong and what can be improved :)

Chris

21:27

thing is with hold to enable, the amount of time it takes to let go of Shield Block and then switch your thumb to Attack, that's a lot of dead time

you can click Attack and have the shield drop instantly and then you Attack

Mutch95

oh really

Chris

cuz in the desktop version, half the game is letting go of Block and pressing Attack immediately after super fast

Mutch95

did not know that ;p

Chris

when you've got 6 enemies trying to kill you

OMGtechy

@Chris which is half the fun :D

Chris

21:28

those few milliseconds would be bad news I think

yep :)

OMGtechy

it's a twitchy smash-all-in-the-face-fast-then-hide kinda game

Chris

so as a next-best thing, I felt that a Shield toggle on/off and pressing Attack to drop it instantly is probably the most user-friendly

OMGtechy

i think that'd make it too easy

Chris

it is, in a way

but

I tried it originally as press-to-hold

did not like

camera's also zoomed in a little more on iPhone (not so much on iPad) just cuz the screen's so small, hard to see heh

Mutch95

I'm using my bent iPhone 6

pretty decent size

OMGtechy

21:31

curved glass; it's not a bug it's a feature

Chris

@Mutch95 lol. Do you think the camera's zoom level is alright?

Mutch95

i have light leaking in the lcd...

Chris

lol :(

Almo

I find it difficult to believe that the iOS version could be "too easy" given how difficult touch screen button controls are to use

Mutch95

the zoom level should be able to be customisable

and the font size aswell

personally the font is great for me

but what about people who can't see all to well?

Chris

21:33

@Almo yeah it's still a massive finger juggle in hectic situations

Almo

:)

I'd be for giving as much assistance as you can. It shouldn't be too hard to detect if you've overdone it.

Mutch95

Swapping attack and jump would also be nice

Chris

@Mutch95 this is still using GUITexts and GUITextures, not scalable, would be possible to add options to change the resolution, but it really can't go less than 640p which is the 3.5" screen minium, text starts overflowing on the inventory menus

Almo

with about 5 people playing the 24-hour contests on LowDown, it's quite fun.

Mutch95

i try to press the right side for attack

Jon

21:36

yay @Almo i'd play it more if I had an iphone

Almo

:)

if the # gets over about 25 or 50, it will need the score system for sure.

Score system is slated to go in after the interface bugs are worked out

Jon

I would be seriously interested in seeing stats for a game of like 1000+ ppl though

Almo

agreed

Chris

can you make it be available in NZ almo?

Almo

two days ago, looked like this
1 - 2x
2 - 3x
3 - 4x
4 - 2x
8 - 1x

Jon

21:37

heh..

Almo

next one:
1 - 2x
4 - 1x
5 - 4x
6 - 3x
7 - 3x
8 - 2x

Jon

i'm not gonna pick 1, cuz everyone is gonna do that... and i'm not gonna pick 2, cuz everyone is gonna think like that... so im' gonna pick 3

genius.

Almo

the point system would say for the last one, people who guess 5 are runners-up, and 6 was second runner-up, etc

anything lower than the winning number wins nothing

so there would be lots more ways to score points once the chances of actually winning get low

Jon

VS2015 community announced

Almo

@Chris It's just CA for now, worldwide once I'm satisfied that the interface is better. Like upcoming is Results and Your Results. so you can see data for previous contests if you've been out of the game for a while

currently, you can only see contests you were in

so if you're out for a day, you have no idea what people are currently playing

Chris

21:40

yeah but NZ has like 2 people in it

Almo

hahaha :)

Chris

4mil

Almo

I can put you on betatesting if you want

Chris

I'll give it a whirl if I have access!

Almo

just give me an email address for testflight and i'll get you in

you can mail it to me if you don't want it public

[email protected]

Chris

21:41

[email protected]

Almo

ok sent, thanks

1.0.6 doesn't have the previous contest without your entries view yet

that's 1.0.7

Jon

►Smoking Simulator // Indie Adventures (Indie Gameplay and Commentary)

►

Almo

ok heading out talk later :)

Chris

sweet ty

OMGtechy

@Jon not shocked but glad, did they give any cool info about it out?

Jon

21:44

??

@OMGtechy what do you mean?

OMGtechy

5 mins ago, by Jon

VS2015 community announced

Jon

oh, no

just saying they are continuing with the free version

OMGtechy

well, that's good news as it is :D

Jon

Yep, it was expected

This smoke simulator idea is funny

if you don't get a smoke in time, you go into rage mode and everything you touch gets trashed, and you get fired

OMGtechy

whut aha

Jon

21:47

that vid i just posted, lol

OMGtechy

ahaha xD

Jon

the joys of indie game dev

no deadlines, no bosses, no limits

no money

OMGtechy

no requirement to make anything conventional

Jon

0 girls

OMGtechy

sometimes no other job

Jon

21:49

most people can't relate to anything you do

Most people, have a hard time understand what my job is

they immediately assume I fix computers

Chris

I spent 13 hours working on my game yesterday

OMGtechy

@Chris woo :D

Jon

that is what i'm talkiong about

Chris

indie dev, at least at home, yeah it's like, wat

"oh hey, half the day's gone by already"

OMGtechy

@Jon same. I occasionally correct them but sometimes I cba

Jon

21:51

I do game dev for fun, what the hell is wrong with me

OMGtechy

I broadly split it into IT, Hardware and Software

@Jon probably the same thing as most of the folks here

Aidan Mueller

@Mutch95 Did you look at mine?

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