Game Development

Icy Defiance

16:08

geez, new record for fastest closed question. gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/84589/…

user4704

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I am on the fence about the long-term viability of a SE site for Vim and/or Emacs. But I do think it's worth trying, because trying gives you, you know, real data instead of made up fluffy ponies. Given that SE has committed to trying for Emacs, I think it is completely irresponsible and ridicul...

user4704

Ah, Area 51, what a cesspool.

SpartanDonut

16:21

Can't tell if deeply offended is serious or sarcastic :P

user4704

Serious.

user4704

200% serious. I am really pissed at Robert right now.

SpartanDonut

I kind of figured that based on the actual reason for closing the proposal... My head couldn't get rid of the non existent sarcastic tone though

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Hrm

MickLH

Can't we just exterminate people who genuinely participate in editor wars?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

16:25

I think my port forward is broken somehow.

Friend can't join the Project Zomboid server I'm running. And I just checked the 25565 port for MC while a server was running, and it shows up as closed as well.

user4704

@MickLH You're missing the larger picture though.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Hmm

I just double-checked.

Minecraft server works, Terraria server works, Project Zomboid doesn't. :(

I guess it's a code issue.

Icy Defiance

16:43

I thought emacs and vim were pretty much the same thing with a different design. Isn't it obviously partial if one gets a site and the other doesn't?

heck, why not have one site for both?

or a site for customizable text editors in general?

user4704

Probably all of those things would fail.

user4704

What disgusts me is the fact they aren't treated as equally-valid proposals.

user4704

That there are secret other metrics that a proposal must meet to get into beta.

user4704

I think both, ultimately, will or would fail, but I am extremely disappointed by the SE dictatorship that sits behind the ostensibly-democratic Area 51.

user4704

Basically Area 51 is a sham, because SO is a precious snowflake that one must not lower the unique visitor count of.

user4704

16:50

It's gross.

7Blue_Beast7

Yello!

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Orange!

Almo

all of this ignores the fundamental fact that emacs sucks. runs off

user4704

@Almo emacs.stackexchange.com the front page is basically all questions that would be previously asked on SO. No "questions not suitable to Stack Overflow" at all.

user4704

Obnoxious.

7Blue_Beast7

17:04

Emacs aren't really my best

I just like Apple and Microsoft

Microsoft I like only 1%

Seth Battin

my chat page is twitching

typing fixed it. carry on.

user4704

@SethBattin Bouncing up and down?

user4704

I've seen that once or twice :|

Seth Battin

oh, it's doing it again

the chat messages are bouncing up a pixel for a moment and returning, and the the starred messages are bouncing down one and then back

user4704

Weird.

Seth Battin

17:07

well, it looks like html trying to reflow itself over a page, except nothing is changing

chat is goofy

and that matica.com page is definitely misconfigured

somebody failed to turn off the stacktrace 404 page

or they pushed dev config files onto the server, or something along those lines

7Blue_Beast7

Sounds like a hacker messing with the chat.

Prob stizzle

Can I say damn in here once please?

SpartanDonut

You just did

7Blue_Beast7

:o

Noctrine

Gotta ban you now.

7Blue_Beast7

No.

I don't want a ban

I want to people to unmute me :D

SpartanDonut

17:23

My advice is for you to go make pong, come back, and talk about it.

Almo

hahaha

Seth Battin

It does not seem like you really want to be unmuted. You seem to want type things that get you negative attention from the mods.

Almo

A game designer I worked with once said: "There are people who want to be game designers, and there are people who want to design games. These are not necessarily the same people."

I must agree with that sentiment.

user4704

Hehe.

user4704

It's pretty good.

Seth Battin

17:26

are there that many glamorous game designers that people want to have that status?

user4704

I don't think it's about glamorous designers, per se.

Seth Battin

yeah, i meant, is the life so appealing?

user4704

Well I don't think people know what "the life" is really like.

Almo

People want to be the ones who say what goes into a game, but they don't really want to go through the detailed work it takes actually to design a game.

Noctrine

^^ + ^

user4704

17:27

(My experiences in school bear this out; lots of people who like to play games went to DigiPen.)

AttackingHobo

@SpartanDonut who is Blue Beast? did he have a different name before?

user4704

It's about glamorous games people like playing and the desire to create something similar but tweaked in such a way as to add your own personal touch.

user4704

Or scratch your own personal itch.

user4704

Such as your own MMO where you can "do anything."

Seth Battin

hahahahaha

Almo

17:28

@AttackingHobo PsychOphobiA or something

AttackingHobo

@JoshPetrie easy just drag in the Do_anything Prefab into the unity scene. Done.

ahhh ok. @7Blue_Beast7 I unmute you once every day, and then I remute you as it greatly improves the readability of this chat and increases the signal to noise ratio

user4704

There was a long-running joke on GDNet about an MMO where you can "marry The Hulk," back when everybody wanted to make their own MMO.

Almo

hahaha

SpartanDonut

I'd play that

Almo

"back when"? Doesn't everybody still want to make their own MMO?

user4704

17:30

I feel like it's dwindled somewhat.

Seth Battin

yeah, enough of them failed to drag the average profitability back down to where it ought to be

no more 100s of WoWs in development

Almo

hahaha

AttackingHobo

go make pong @7Blue_Beast7 and maybe change your name to something like xx_Xxx-\\\\ZZZZ___c00ldud3____ZZZZ////-xxX_xx or something just as professional.

7Blue_Beast7

O que é suas coordenadas para que eu possa ajudá-lo?

user4704

@7Blue_Beast7 Speak English please.

7Blue_Beast7

17:32

Oh crap

My language

SpartanDonut

Wait... I forget how this works

Seth Battin

i always was a fan of this thing, becuase it was made by a handful of folks from wisconsin

vendetta-online.com

SpartanDonut

@StackExchange translate: O que é suas coordenadas para que eu possa ajudá-lo?

Apparently that wasnt it lol

Seth Battin

it's just an open world (space) shooter with rpg elements, but they do well

Noctrine

You told us last time you were english.

translate: O que é suas coordenadas para que eu possa ajudá-lo?

Seth Battin

17:33

also that browser-based zombie survival that has been around forever

Noctrine

What is your coordinates so that I can help you?

7Blue_Beast7

Hehehe I really don't want to tell you guys how I learned

user4704

@SpartanDonut "What are your coordinates so I can help you?" according to Bing Translate.

7Blue_Beast7

What is your coordinates so that I may support you?

SpartanDonut

@Noctrine was that the command? I just didn't need the ping

7Blue_Beast7

17:33

Thats what I said in Portuguese

Because I like it here

Noctrine

just translate:

AttackingHobo

@SethBattin how much is that game? doesnt have easily listed price

SpartanDonut

@SethBattin I've met those guys at an IGDA meeting. They're pretty cool and you have to respect what they've accomplished with a tiny team

Seth Battin

it's a subscription one, ump-teen dollars a month

7Blue_Beast7

@Noctrine :/ lol

Seth Battin

17:35

i think it was 8 the last time i was playing it

the part that always amazing me was that it's instantly fun, unlike...say...eve

which i've tried to start playing several times, all failures

AttackingHobo

@SethBattin hmm I may try it out. Love that its so multiplat and supports the rift

7Blue_Beast7

@SethBattin EVE is cool!!

How dare you say such thing about CCP!

Almo

@SethBattin I have to agree that EVE is not instantly fun.

EVE is something you have to want to like. :)

7Blue_Beast7

@Almo Its fun

Its fun because I can come out and fly my Maelstrom like a boss and float above players like I rule space

Noctrine

EVE looked boring. I played it, EVE was boring. I'd rather play something that actually is enjoyable than trying to look for an enjoyable thing in something that'll take my money until I like it :\

Almo

17:39

hehehe

user4704

EVE looks awesome, I think.

user4704

But I agree I've been bored every time I tried it.

7Blue_Beast7

Maelstrom Nefantar Edition

Where the heck is my picture?

AttackingHobo

eve is fun.... to read about

5

Almo

What I find funny about eve is some peoples' response to it when I send them the trial code.

They say, "I started it up, and I took one look at the interface and quit!"

Noctrine

17:42

^^ I love reading the stories about the things that happen in it.

Almo

too many buttonz

SpartanDonut

there are a ton of buttons and windows

Almo

It's really an OS for interacting with the database

SpartanDonut

Tempted to try again with my 3 monitor setup but I know I shouldn't :)

Noctrine

So, I need impartial third parties to tell me what they think is wrong in a platformer game.

AttackingHobo

17:43

@Noctrine yeah. Love the crazy stories of theft and shit

Almo

hahaha you'l be bored again todders

SpartanDonut

Which platformer game?

Almo

1) It's a platformer.

anything else?

SpartanDonut

It's not that I get bored... I just want to play anything else

Almo

:)

AttackingHobo

17:43

@Almo LOL

Noctrine

It's called Valkyrie

7Blue_Beast7

Nice drone^

Valkyries in eve are awesome for medium drones

I buy the tier II ones though

AttackingHobo

@Noctrine wow such an original name, gonna be so easy to find that on search engines without having to add a bunch of description keywords

Noctrine

@AttackingHobo I was going to send it to people who were interested :\

Seth Battin

i am interested

AttackingHobo

17:45

I know. Just making a comment about the originality/searchability of that name

SpartanDonut

I am also interested

Noctrine

@AttackingHobo I didn't name it :\

Almo

searching for valkyrie platformer brought it up pretty fast for me

AttackingHobo

I know. Just making a comment about the originality/searchability of that name

Noctrine

dev.vmnow.co/Valkyrie.html -- more recent build than the one there

Icy Defiance

17:46

I think most people would search for valkyrie game, not valkyrie platformer. doing that brings up a lot of EVE results.

Seth Battin

i didn't read the controls screen carefully enough. had to reload the page :|

AttackingHobo

and I found another random flash game named valkyrie

will try it out more later, busy now, but off the bat don't like the sliding controls at all

those kind of platformers should have really tight controls

Seth Battin

@AttackingHobo agreed

Jon

anyone ever write dynamic clouds?

Icy Defiance

yeah I don't like those controls either

AttackingHobo

17:49

kind of not really

Icy Defiance

also enemies seem to attack while they're still offscreen

makes it really hard to dodge them

(just making the screen 16:9 could fix that one)

SpartanDonut

I have a problem with arrow keys to move in general.... I like the keyboard layout to be more similar to a controller. Move with left hand (WASD works well) and actions with the right

I find that I'm getting stuck for a couple frames when I land from a long jump

Seth Battin

along the same lines, space is really weird for pause

Almo

the WERD man, wtf.

Icy Defiance

yeah I don't like space for pause or jump

so many platformers use it for jump and it pisses me off

on most keyboards it's just not designed to be pressed with the same level of control as the letter keys are

Almo

17:51

^

if I want a big button for input like jump or shoot, I use one of the shift keys

spacebar sucks for game input

SpartanDonut

I wish I could move when using the melee Valkyrie

incidentally you can jump and melee but not run and melee

Jon

spacebar is pretty good for game chat though

Icy Defiance

nah, too easy to press accidentally and be stuck typing things when you should be running from an enemy

use enter for that

or T like minecraft does

Seth Battin

the parallax drifts strangely, it's like they're on different interpolation curves

7Blue_Beast7

Is there a browser based minecraft?

SpartanDonut

17:54

Having guys that are too small to kill seems weird but I'll go with it

I feel like not enough happens in a single screen before moving onto another

Icy Defiance

I'm not sure if there's anything space should be used for... maybe a roll move? witcher 2 uses it for rolling and it hasn't felt wrong there. that's not a platformer though.

Seth Battin

@SpartanDonut do you mean the short one? because that's been bugging me too. I want to duck and kill the thing, but i can't

SpartanDonut

@SethBattin yes

7Blue_Beast7

NICE!!!

I play minecraft in the browser!!!

SpartanDonut

I somehow broke the game by changing tabs lol

Seth Battin

17:56

this might just be a level design thing, but double-jump doesn't seem useful for anything

SpartanDonut

My character disappeared

bornander

@Jon Did your son try my game?

Seth Battin

except maybe NOT failing to jump high enough over an enemy

Jon

No he's coming back friday night

SpartanDonut

@SethBattin yeah I did save myself from running into a guy once with double jump

otherwise I think I agree

bornander

17:57

@Jon Ah, ok.

Jon

I wrote a cloud generator today

I was hoping it would be dynamic... but that would require an enormous amount of cpu

Seth Battin

Noctrine is saying nothing...total pro at this

Noctrine

lol :p

Seth Battin

@Jon it depends how you do it

Jon

clearly lol

The resolution I want is just not really possible, unless I pre-render, which is not the point

7Blue_Beast7

18:00

minecraft doesn't play in a browser :O?

Seth Battin

well, is the generation happening every frame? it doesn't seem like it should

Jon

I'm using 4 layers at a high octave

SpartanDonut

The mounds in the forest don't look dangerous so I walked right into one and got hurt D:

Jon

takes quite a while to render a 1024x1024 texture

Seth Battin

i suppose. sounds like you need a different technique :)

SpartanDonut

18:02

I have no clue what to do at this door that looks atomically dangerous or something

Jon

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@SpartanDonut What are you playing?

SpartanDonut

18 mins ago, by Noctrine

http://dev.vmnow.co/Valkyrie.html -- more recent build than the one there

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Ah

Seth Battin

i switched computers...the game isn't loading on the new one. Also it needs a loading screen.

oh there it goes

SpartanDonut

18:06

Yeah I got bored after the door I ran into and quit... I now have to backtrack (or so I assume) and I have no clue what I missed

So I started, fell into some spikes and said meh

That's one more thing I guess... spike traps don't seem obvious and so you take a gamble, jump, and die

As in you can't see them before you jump off the ledge

Almo

well, that's all I need to know about it

;)

SpartanDonut

I thought all you needed to know was that it was a platformer? :P

Almo

hahaha

honestly, I do play some platformers

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

From the 80's.

Almo

it just annoys me how many art games are platformers because I love art games

last one I played was Outland, which I thought was really good

mix of platforming and Ikaruga

SpartanDonut

18:08

Outland was solid... I should have finished that one xD

Almo

very clever shit in there, with great controls

but I'm a Housemarque junkie

shame I haven't gotten to play RESOGUN

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

It annoys me how many games are being released which are basically just engines. The actual content of the game is over in very little time.

Almo

well I did, but at a pal's place, and he's horrible at showing games to people

SpartanDonut

I gotta pick that one up

Almo

@William'MindWorX'Mariager probly devs who want to make a game and an engine, then don't have time for the game because they made an engine

Seth Battin

18:09

the bullet lifetime seems fixed on the edge of the screen at th etime you fire, so if you're moving they die before they move off screen

Almo

old platformer trick... shoot, and walk for more range

did that to get more kills per RPG on Rush 'n' Attack

Jon

if anyone wants texturable clouds like above let me know

Almo

:)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Almo Likely

Jon

looks decent eh?

Almo

18:12

yup

Seth Battin

oh man, after you double jump there's a still in the horizontal motion

that's worse than the sliding

Almo

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woa

check that shameless "give me the code" shit

ooh

I misread it

I thoguht they wanted us to enter working code into the highlight box

Jon

code gives me the shits

is that what they mean by codesmells?

Noctrine

Alright, back now. Had a standup meeting :p

Thanks for your feedback guys :p

AttackingHobo

waldobronchart.be/blenderkeyboard

Man blender is a beast of a program. That is a pretty cool shortcut learning tool.

Joe

18:26

whats goin gon GDSE

AttackingHobo

@Joe modeling/animation stuff

MrPlow

any libgdx users here?

Jon

iv'e used it in the past and didn't like it.

if that helps

MrPlow

@Jon not really :P

Joe

@AttackingHobo nice anything fancy looking?

user4704

18:28

Hey, I got "nice answer" for my complaint about the vim proposal shutdown.

Seth Battin

i've used libgdx, andi dug it

MrPlow

@SethBattin then I've got a question for ya if you don't mind

Seth Battin

by all means

Almo

awesome, Josh :)

AttackingHobo

@Joe kind of. Nothing finished or polished yet

Jon

18:31

so.. here is in game -- pretty high cloud coverage

3 layers all same color right now.. needs more work but what you think?

AttackingHobo

@Jon much much better than what you had last time

Almo

looks nice i think

Seth Battin

their distribution seems unnatural

Jon

yeah.. something is weird about it

AttackingHobo

still looks flat though. put them on a plane and make that plane 3d

Seth Battin

18:32

needs some kind of perspective to it

MrPlow

What was your input handling like? As far as I can see libgdx doesn't distinguish button presses and button downs so while I've got a few ideas on how to solve that I'd like to know how you solved it

AttackingHobo

so it looks like the clouds are in the sky rather than on a wall

@MrPlow handle it on your own. Use some event to capture keyup keydown and store the states of the buttons yourself

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Unsuccessful crowdfunders make me sad. :(

I gotta stay away from crowdfunding sites.

MrPlow

balls

AttackingHobo

?

Seth Battin

18:33

@MrPlow Well one of the very first things i did, arguably too soon in the dev timeline, was to define an interface for all the high-level stuff my game needed like jump and shoot

and then at the point in the framework where it figures out what platform it's on, it injects a different actual input class depending on what's available. i never really fleshed out the touch input, becuase i only did the desktop dev

but anyway...on to your actual question, i'll need to look up my code

brb

AttackingHobo

yeah. and having it abstracted away makes it super easy to just replace the actual imput area with something else on diff platforms or w/e

user4704

@Almo Of course this seems unlikely to change anything since SE's decision is based on imaginary hypothetical, so I'm just going to start a new proposal this afternoon.

Almo

hehe cool

AttackingHobo

@JoshPetrie link it. I fucking hate the powertripping rules around here

user4704

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Q: Closing the Vi/Vim Proposal

Proposal: Vi/Vim We recently launched an Emacs site, and the Vi/Vim community quickly followed to have a site of their own. The show of support here was nothing short of amazing. It weighed heavily in our evaluation of this site, but we ultimately decide not to split off Vi/Vim from Stack Overfl...

technology closed-proposals

MrPlow

18:36

@AttackingHobo well, that is my idea. I'd have two collections or arrays which hold previous and current states of keys and then depending on these states I could determine key presses and key holds

AttackingHobo

Oh yeah I read that. give me a link to your proposal later on.

user4704

k

AttackingHobo

@MrPlow sounds good. Make it work.

Jon

the problem with skewing or changing the perspective, is that you can travel up and the clouds serve as a parallax effect to show what direction you are moving

Not sure how I could alleviate the perspective issue

Almo

i'll vote for a proposal for a vi site

Jon

18:38

possibly stretch the image on the x-axis more?

darken the bottom of the clouds

Almo

though I agree with you neither an emacs or vi site will be successful

user4704

@Jon You don't necessarily need to alter the perspective of the texture

user4704

But the fact that it's all uniform vertically, in terms of distribution, is odd, I think.

AttackingHobo

@Jon More cloud layers? smaller clouds as it goes further down the screen?

Jon

mmm, i agree

Seth Battin

18:40

@MrPlow Ah, now i remember. I just used the inputstate/previoiusinputstate pattern to check for new button pushes. i opened up the repo access, here's the source file: bitbucket.org/sbattin/bonewarden/src/…

Jon

Stretched out clouds in the x-axis on the backmost layer maybe..

then less stretched as it gets closer to the screen

MrPlow

@SethBattin that sounds interesting. I've decided I'll have rebindable keys so my actions are not directly bound to keys, and also to incorporate ECS I've thought about making a callback interface and storing these into a collection in a component and somehow link them to the input states

though I haven't quite figured everything out yet

Seth Battin

bindable keys isn't so bad

it's just a map between a key identifier and an actual key id

MrPlow

and that's what I've got

Seth Battin

er...between system identifier and game identifier

MrPlow

18:43

well, currently I haven't properly established what actions are so everything is still messy

AttackingHobo

@Jon

vs

Seth Battin

well your interface doesn't need to be complete when you start it

Jon

@AttackingHobo my engine lets me fly up into space

I can't pull off that perspective

AttackingHobo

ah....

MrPlow

well theoretically I shouldn't even be thinking that far ahead

Jon

18:44

at least not the way I am drawing the parallax right now

Wardy

lol

MrPlow

I should go simple and work my way up

but that's boring

Wardy

if only using noise was that simple

Seth Battin

but the inputstate && !previousInputstate is so easy, and it's compatible with libgdx without any problem

Jon

hehehe... well I have a few ideas.. thanks guys

Seth Battin

18:46

good luck jon

MrPlow

@SethBattin I'm not talking about input states. I'm talking about creating action callbacks and binding them to input

Wardy

@Jon perlin clouds with falloff would be my approach

Seth Battin

ah, i'm afraid my java isn't up to scratch for that kind of thing

it's a cakewalk in c# :)

MrPlow

Based on what I've gathered here it seems that using prev/current key states is the "go to" way so I've already decided on that. Thanks on helping me out with that btw

Seth Battin

probably some event class that you'll have to define yourself :/

Wardy

18:48

@MrPlow C# makes this dead easy :)

AttackingHobo

@Jon ooh maybe an overlay that fades the clouds out at the bottom?

MrPlow

@SethBattin I've handled callbacks in java before so this ain't that difficult. The difficult part is putting the whole picture together. Tying the callbacks into entities and binding them to input

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Blargh!

Silly bad websites!

Seth Battin

Those ECS designs...don't know what to tell you

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I'm trying to get the Build & Defend demo, but the site doesn't work properly.

Tells me to log-in while I'm logged in.

MrPlow

18:51

And I'm aware C# is superior :P . I'm using Java because I work in java so I'm most familiar with it. I wrote around 40% of a game engine, along with an ECS in C++ a year or two ago and never got around to finishing it

Wardy

random question

is a lookup by index on an array always the same amount of time no matter the size of the array ?

so if i have 10 elements and ask for element 5 is it just hte same as asking for element 5 in 1,000 elements ?

Icy Defiance

yes, that's pretty much the whole point of an array

as opposed to, say, a linked list

Wardy

hmmm i may redesign my voxel code then

have the volume contain the whole array

effectively remove the need for chunks for bulk operations

Icy Defiance

when you ask for something in an array, in the background it says "get element at memory location (arrayStart + elementSize * index)"

that simple math takes the same amount of time no matter what numbers you feed it

Wardy

hmmm ... nice !

I think i remove the need for neighbour lookups in my voxel engine

just let the calling code query the volume

Seth Battin

18:55

however, if you are iterating over your elements, lists aren't necessarily slower

especially if they are allocated in continuous memory

Wardy

ah one problem ... right now chunks can be added or removed dynamically from a volume

AttackingHobo

@Wardy you are going to run into caching issues like I have been saying.

Seth Battin

it's only only actual random access in which arrays excel

Icy Defiance

linked lists are still a little slower to iterate through because you have to grab the next element instead of just incrementing a counter, but it's not more complex, meaning the big O notation is the same and it scales at the same rate

Wardy

@AttackingHobo yeh im analysing that now

AttackingHobo

18:56

linked lists are the worst thing in regards to cpu caching issues

Wardy

i still need a means to "virtualise the volume though"

Icy Defiance

pretty much the only advantage of a linked list is being able to add/remove in the middle of it

might be better for a queue too

so add/remove from the middle or the beginning

AttackingHobo

@Wardy @IcyDefiance very nice article on this topic. gameprogrammingpatterns.com/data-locality.html

Wardy

i think i need a means to populate a sparse 3 dimensional array

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