Game Development

7Blue_Beast7

00:00

I literally have to spend a day trying to read these messages

The Word "Perhaps"

Shroeder

He is talking slowly so I don't feel stupid basically

7Blue_Beast7

@Shroeder Lol

Shroeder

Helps when it feels like someone is helping me work out the problem

Soon hopefully I'll get this sucker dialed in

7Blue_Beast7

Does for me too as long as it is not brutality for me.

Shroeder

from my experience most people with programming experience are pretty good about helping others with problems, I try not to abuse it

I get frustrated at my lack of knowledge:(

K i gota refocus

7Blue_Beast7

00:07

@Shroeder I get more than frustrated though

@Shroeder Go focus. Practice the ways of the Jedi.

Shroeder

Ha

Its kind of bad to have super experienced programers a keyboard stroke away

I gota remind myself not to become reliant on my resources

7Blue_Beast7

^.^

For me because I program with Python and C# I have to rely on my resources.

Until I am a very experienced as a programmer where I don't need resources and know what I am doing.

Shroeder

Yup someday

7Blue_Beast7

Go focus those Jedi powers now, my brother.

Shroeder

Yes sir

Almo

00:50

@IcyDefiance .

Pip

LoL :P

Almo

yes

appears he's AFFK though

you can just guess what that extra F is for

Please remember that Riot employees will never ask for your password when assisting you.

Pip

:)

Almo

looks like i don't have a duo partner :(

Icy Defiance

@Almo just got home. I can join your next game if you want.

Almo

00:54

i have not started one

so the next one starts NOW

Icy Defiance

D:

Almo

and i love my clicky-ass keyboard

i don't see you online yet

wtf

Icy Defiance

I wonder what the process will be to go from Win10 dev preview to the full version...

if I can just pay for it and download a small patch I might put the dev preview on my desktop

Almo

Install OSX and forget it ever existed

Icy Defiance

if I could on my hardware, I might

Almo

00:56

heh :)

Icy Defiance

but legally I can't

Almo

@IcyDefiance hmm

71

A: COUNT(*) vs. COUNT(1) vs. COUNT(pk): which is better?

Use * for all your queries that need to count everything, even for joins, use * SELECT boss.boss_id, COUNT(subordinate.*) FROM boss LEFT JOIN subordinate on subordinate.boss_id = boss.boss_id GROUP BY boss.id But don't use COUNT(*) for LEFT joins, as that will return 1 even if the subordinate ...

this answer seems to indicate COUNT(*) is fine

Pip

This APCS lab is both fucking long and fucking frustrating

eh, not so frustrating

but long :/

Icy Defiance

count(*) is fine if you know what it's doing. it gets fucked with certain joins and no one ever expects it.

count(id) has expected behavior in all cases

Almo

ok I'll check on that

thanks for the tip[

Icy Defiance

01:09

and if you count a nullable column, it won't count rows that are null. that's also unexpected behavior, but also incredibly useful once in a while.

Almo

A League Points penalty is applied to the player who dodges, 3 points for the first time and 10 for the second time before the timer reset.

@IcyDefiance oh no

my sql knowledge is pretty weak, sounds like something I could get bitten by

Icy Defiance

mine isn't that strong either. this is just something one of my profs pounded into my head.

Almo

:D

i've learned all my sql by looking shit up online and fighting in query editors to get the right thing, and the Dev Shed forums

Icy Defiance

lol I still look up the syntax for basic update/insert statements every time I make a new one

Almo

hahaha :)

I know the feeling

7Blue_Beast7

01:26

OMG

My friends friend just got hurt

user4704

@7Blue_Beast7 I'm not "guessing."

user4704

It's a statement of fact.

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie You actually start talking to a convo that ended so long ago... I just about to say what happened yet you intercept me with super late comments

The first thing I'd was going to talk about wasn't even of anger or anything negative :(

user4704

@7Blue_Beast7 Well that's what happens when you notify somebody. They get a record of the message in their inbox and can respond to it. That's why the chat software implements response links the way it does, so conversations can be extended and made disjoint across time.

7Blue_Beast7

but now you ruined it for me :(

user4704

01:36

I fail to see how. But okay.

Pip

wait what

actually, nvm

don't really want to know

user4704

@Pip It's not that interesting.

Pip

kk

John McDonald

Hey guys

MLM

@JohnMcDonald Heya

John McDonald

01:41

heh, So... I may have watched an episode or two of my little pony, and I must say... the clouds look amazing

And now I want to make one for Skippy Fish, lol

Chris

lol

all swirly and stuff? (just did an image search)

John McDonald

Yeah, they look pretty awesome

sigh

So yeah... I have like no idea how to go about making those

MLM

@JohnMcDonald pen tool bezier curve it up

John McDonald

yeah... Well, I'll try to make some

:D

I'm finding that the spiral tool in InkScape might make something cool

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie You'd see how

MLM

01:48

This has some nice variety: deviantart.com/art/Double-Rainboom-BG-Clouds-363649910

John McDonald

Yeah

user4704

@7Blue_Beast7 But I don't.

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie If you let me say what I have to say you would have.

user4704

@7Blue_Beast7 I didn't stop you from saying anything.

user4704

I have no idea what you are talking about.

7Blue_Beast7

01:50

@JoshPetrie Yeah

@JoshPetrie Well you did have an idea what I was talking about but now you don't have an idea all of a sudden hm?

@JoshPetrie Your so wise you will not stop saying things to me.

You just keep going with my games, why is that? Why not stop going with my games? Why do wise people always do this

user4704

@7Blue_Beast7 I had an idea what you were talking about when you replied to my "perhaps" comment by asking why I was always guessing. I responded to clarify that it was not a guess.

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie But it was a late reply.

user4704

I don't have an idea why you are so offended by that, and why you think my responding to a question you asked me constitutes "preventing you from speaking."

7Blue_Beast7

oO

user4704

@7Blue_Beast7 SO WHAT?

Pip

01:53

This is such an odd conversation

Just block him if he is bothering you, seriously

user4704

What does replying late have to do with it? It was late because I was on the train home.

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie I never said to you about my rights of speaking :/

@Pip He is too wise to even do so.I don't understand him

user4704

4 mins ago, by 7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie If you let me say what I have to say you would have.

Pip

wtf is that supposed to mean?

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie Ah... okay

user4704

01:55

Look, you need to take a step back and calm down. Nobody is persecuting you.

7Blue_Beast7

@Pip He is showing part of my convo

@JoshPetrie Ok... ok....

Now may I begin?

user4704

You don't need my permission to talk.

7Blue_Beast7

Is injuries a matter in here? Its kinda something I wanted to tell you guys.

Okay its not violent

Pip

No one needs Josh's permission to talk

7Blue_Beast7

Omg, I have to edit this sentence 10 times

okay now I am ready to speak:

Seth Battin

01:59

i tuned in at the right moment

Pip

@SethBattin really? As far as I can tell Josh is having a convo with himself, and it ended

Seth Battin

there did seem to be a bit of an anticlimax there

Pip

yep

7Blue_Beast7

Okay yeah I didn't want to go too deep

Pip

Alright, night Seth, night Josh

ttyl

Seth Battin

02:04

adios pip

user4704

Okay, while that's a terrible thing to have happen and to observe, it's not really appropriate to describe here.

Seth Battin

@JohnMcDonald I am also a fan of the aesthetics in my little pony

John McDonald

Hey Bro

user4704

Those clouds look nice.

Almo

@JohnMcDonald oh I get it.

hahah

Seth Battin

02:10

I see my little pony nearly daily. Amazon and netflix both base most of their recommendations on it. It is good that netflix lets you silo different viewer preferences, so that my 5-year-old daugher's favorite show doesn't get in the way of all my manly/nerdy shows

also it's a good show

John McDonald

it's not as bad as I was expecting it to be, and dem clouds

Seth Battin

there're some children's television that isn't horrible to have to sit through, and that show is one of them. Then there are other shows whose mottos for adults seems to be "SUFFER, FOOL!"

John McDonald

heh. I can imagine

Seth Battin

for example, here's an endurance test for your sanity: youtube.com/watch?v=D8FHgmFl0OU

John McDonald

wow

Chris

02:19

my kid's current favourite is Go Diego Go
dat Rescue Pack song

Seth Battin

@Chris my sympathies

Chris

lol, ahhh it's okay :)

she quite likes Mario and Pikachu atm

Seth Battin

it is awesome to get them playing games

apparently there's some guy who plays world of tanks with his kid, 8 years old, and they've been doing it for two years

hilarious part: the kid's win percentage is perfectly average

Chris

nice

Seth Battin

not hilarious part, people know about this because he made a polite request on the forums for people to stop telling his kid to die of cancer when their team loses

Chris

02:24

lol ahh yeah, there is that side of online chatter that probably should wait til they're in the teens maybe heh

Seth Battin

you know, in general, please stop being such amazing assholes to random strangers on the internet

user4704

Sigh.

7Blue_Beast7

02:35

@JoshPetrie Thx for cutting some of my time off.

Seth Battin

@7Blue_Beast7 You really need to stop. I'm on the edge of blocking you myself just to stop hearing the complaining

7Blue_Beast7

@SethBattin I am not complaining so I have no idea what you talking about.

"Thx for cutting some of my time off." thats not a complain. Thats a thank you

Seth Battin

My mistake, then

7Blue_Beast7

o7

user4704

@7Blue_Beast7 I didn't do anything.

7Blue_Beast7

02:45

@JoshPetrie That's kinda weird because it just stopped and let me talk again very quickly?

user4704

@7Blue_Beast7 Somebody flagged your message and some other moderator acted on it (which automatically suspended you) before I happen to see it.

user4704

That's all.

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie How do mods just block me without having to come into the rooms now?

This is so internet magic the gathering mess going on is what I think.

user4704

Someone did come into the room.

user4704

But they don't have to; the suspension happens if the flag is approved, which can be done from anywhere.

7Blue_Beast7

02:57

Its time for me to get back on my flagging duty -.- hahaaaha I never been flagging stuff but someone likes the way I act on it :\

user4704

@7Blue_Beast7 I have never seen you use flags appropriately actually. You should probably just not bother.

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie "Okay, while that's a terrible thing to have happen and to observe, it's not really appropriate to describe here." I am not that stupid you know.

user4704

I didn't say you were, I said that message was not appropriate for the chat.

7Blue_Beast7

Well I am not going to blame anyone nor for that so scratch that part.

I do think it was you because you replied right after I was flagged... I also can tell if someone flagged me.

user4704

It wasn't me, but I don't know why you care so much.

user4704

03:03

You should instead focus on learning what was wrong with your message so you can avoid being suspended for such things (or banned) in the future.

Almo

^

Josh showing the usual patience.

Chris

worrying and dwelling for too long is not healthy

user4704

I find Cocoa CGContext* API extremely difficult to deal with.

Almo

have not messed with it

Seth Battin

nor I

user4704

03:04

It's very general -- supporting a variety of different color spaces and whatnot.

user4704

It makes it extremely difficult to do something as simple as "fill a rectangle with red."

user4704

Right now for example I've got this:

user4704

CGColorRef color = CGColorCreateGenericRGB(1.0f, 0.0f, 0.0f, 1.0f);
CGContextSetFillColorWithColor(context, color);
CGContextFillRect(context, CGRectMake(0.0f, 0.0f, width, height));

Seth Battin

that's impressive rectangle drawing

user4704

That results in a rainbow pattern consistent with a bad stride or color space.

user4704

03:05

But I can't for the life of me figure out why. :\

Chris

:(

Seth Battin

other fill options?

preexisting?

user4704

Doesn't appear to be any "default" state associated with the context.

user4704

(you get nothing at all unless first call CGContextSetFillColorSpace, even though you have to supply a color space to CGBitmapContextCreate to create the space -- so the context color space and the fill color space (and the stroke color space, etc) are actually all different, potentially.)

Seth Battin

well i have experience only in parallel apis elsewhere, but what you described sounds something like a compositing operation

drawing over or under some other thing, but i can't think how that would occur in isolation like that

7Blue_Beast7

03:10

@JoshPetrie Because you the only one in the room man.

The probability it was you versus a billion Mods running to a whle room that was flagged top to bottom makes me think it was you by only 10%

user4704

@7Blue_Beast7 (1) I told you it wasn't me. What reason do I have to lie to you? I don't even need to justify myself to you. (2) I also just told you that nobody needs to be in the room to act on a flag and cause a suspension. (3) I also told you that somebody else joined the room before your suspension and left before you were unsuspended.

user4704

Now drop it.

user4704

@SethBattin Yeah, but the buffer is flat 0xFF all the way through before the context is flushed (I can look at the raw pixels in the memory view from Xcode).

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie Dang man.... don't need to be a child harmer all the time :/

user4704

I wonder if I can drop it down to a one-channel color space.

Seth Battin

03:16

@JoshPetrie is this a personal project?

user4704

Yup.

Seth Battin

cool

7Blue_Beast7

@stizzle84 hey... why you in here?

stizzle84

Yesssss guys guess what

7Blue_Beast7

Shoot it?

stizzle84

03:18

Because i got Hired by Activision to help develop the next call of duty

Seth Battin

oh really?

what capacity?

stizzle84

Not supposed to leak anything or im skrewed

7Blue_Beast7

@stizzle84 What kind of part?

Call of Duty 4?

3!!?

OMG I AM A FAN OF CoD man!!!!

stizzle84

Ikr and i get a free copy

Oops!!!

7Blue_Beast7

@stizzle84 :/ why they really leave us gamers out there.

I need to tell everyon

jk

stizzle84

03:21

Graphic design

7Blue_Beast7

I know if I say that people would be at the Activisions main hub

stizzle84

Thts my job

Wht field do u study

Icy Defiance

lol activision is probably the second most hated studio after EA, but working at any AAA studio is a pretty good accomplishment and probably enjoyable, so congrats on that

user4704

@IcyDefiance Way to be a killjoy ;)

stizzle84

Thank you im so happy

7Blue_Beast7

03:23

@stizzle84 My field?

stizzle84

Yes

7Blue_Beast7

Lol well thinking game development at the moment but then Virology has ben on my mind a lot lately.

Then i thought if I combine those two, i'd have a zombie game.

Icy Defiance

lol hey I wouldn't turn down a job even from EA...though I might try to get one from ubisoft instead...and then once I figured out what happened to watch dogs I might try to go indie... but still!

yeah I'm a killjoy

stizzle84

U will not last if u make a zombie game activision and i r going to make the best zombie game ever!!

Seth Battin

@JoshPetrie my only knowledgeable reference on the matter suggests using cosos2d. sorry. :)

stizzle84

03:25

Boo Ubisoft

7Blue_Beast7

@stizzle84 Ubisoft made the only game I actually liked

I don't remember the name

user4704

@SethBattin Then I'd have to give up my considerable rendering framework :P

7Blue_Beast7

Las Vegas something

user4704

I figured it out, I think; mismatch between two different color spaces.

stizzle84

See Icy hot ubisoft is a lump of cheese

Icy Defiance

03:27

I'm guessing that came from blue beast?

3/4 of this chat room has him on ignore including me

so I have no idea what he's saying

stizzle84

^ | star tht cheese thing now!!

user4704

How about not.

stizzle84

^
|

^
| SHEESH MR.Bossy

7Blue_Beast7

Lol

@stizzle84 Your now my best friend :D

user4704

Also, if CoreGraphics is verbose, CoreText is insane.

7Blue_Beast7

03:38

hehe

jk

user4704

@7Blue_Beast7 I don't find it particularly funny. You are not exactly standing on particularly solid ground with respect to your continued presence here.

user4704

It's probably best not to pick fights.

stizzle84

@beast lots if people have u and me muted i think

7Blue_Beast7

@stizzle84 Really?

stizzle84

Like the entire bridge room has me muted

7Blue_Beast7

03:40

@JoshPetrie Is stizzle telling the truth?

@stizzle84 Oh... my

user4704

@7Blue_Beast7 That's not information I can share with you.

stizzle84

Or they always ignore me its sad becasue i think they r all nice er were

@Josh a.k.a yes

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie Glad to know I am not alone

@stizzle84 I am of the oposite of you. I muted 75% from this room than any other room

More like 90%

stizzle84

I dont have anybody muted its mean

7Blue_Beast7

ikr ^

Seth Battin

03:44

I don't know about stizzle, but this is the kind of thing I meant when I asked you stop earlier, @7Blue_Beast7

don't complain about people muting you, try to say things that don't deserve to get you muted

7Blue_Beast7

@SethBattin Ah... I get you now

Aidan Mueller

04:14

Whenever someone tells me a stupid story, I just say "that was about as deep as a bacteria kiddie pool".

Jon

09:53

when someone tells me a stupid story I typically say "Yeah ok" and walk away

welp, time to go to work

Chris

10:51

hmm, iOS leaderboards and achievements...
think I will have to add an achievement system!

Almo

11:45

@Chris beware... you send GameCenter a double with the % complete of an achievement... but when you ask for the progress back, you get an int.

Chris

hehe k, ty, will keep in mind

Almo

We had a system that assumed it could get the progress back from GC, and our "Drive 880,000 yards" achievement kept reporting 0 progress. :)

Chris

:P

I am mighty impressed with the ease and simplicity of getting my game on my phone honestly

Stack Exchange

0

Q: What is the link which lists GameDev SE questions with funny titles?

I could not find the link for the above!

support

Chris

and with zero optimisations, runs great

Almo

12:39

@Chris :)

Math guys are into some weird shit:

11

Q: Why the Dold-Thom theorem?

Dold-Thom Theorem: $$\pi_i(SP(X))\cong\tilde{H}_i(X)$$ It's pretty miraculous, no? I've seen its proof, where you show that the composition of the functors on the left-side satisfies the axioms of a homology theory. I've also seen many uses of the theorem, to explain features about Eilenberg-Mac...

at.algebraic-topology homotopy-theory intuition

MrPlow

13:06

sup?

Almo

architecture issues on a project at work

you?

MrPlow

enjoying my day off

what's your job?

Almo

game programmer

making a generic achievment system for use across projects

but the data saving thing I used may or may not be present in other projects

so i have to figure out what to do about that.

MrPlow

I always wondered, and I hope you don't mind me asking: How is gamedev as a job?

Almo

It depends on your temprament, and the company you work for

the place I am right now has nice people, decent management, fair handling of overtime, but not necessarily the kinds of games I like to work on

MrPlow

13:12

I'm employed as a java web developer and I neither like nor dislike my job, but I associate gamedev as a hobby so I'm interested in how does it work as a job

Almo

but I've learned that you pick the people, not the project.

sounds like you have a good setup then :)

oh and these guys allow home projects

some companies don't

MrPlow

that's cool

Is it a large enterprisey company?

Almo

a few hundred people, independent

bhvr.com

MrPlow

Cool! I must say I kind of envy you, and kind of don't :P

Almo

heh :)

MrPlow

13:22

So what language/s and frameworks/engines are you using?

Almo

C#, Unity

we build everything in unity

even the MMO we have in the works

MrPlow

I love C#

Almo

1991, and the invention of Ambient House:

►

still awesome after all these years :)

Noctrine

13:50

Maybe if I make the links in chat request a bug it'll get looked at :\

Almo

you mean that we can't see them?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

14:08

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William 'MindWorX' Mariager

14:21

@Noctrine That's a pretty nice deal.

But do the subscription stuff take place right away? I mean, like the "bitnami" offer, of one year service. Does that start right away, or do you activate it when you need it?

Up to a certain expiration date.

Icy Defiance

those websites have their own account systems and can't start the subscription until you give them an account to start it on

well I guess they could with a unique code thing...

Almo

hey icy

we won one finally

Icy Defiance

yeah somehow. don't really understand it. XD

ooh the fiddler has an active gdse account. gamedev.stackexchange.com/users/8178/the-fiddler

and...he only answers opentk questions, lol

he's the guy that made opentk, so that's cool

Almo

14:39

part of the win was that we had a support that actually supported, and I was able to cut loose once I had > 300 CS.

I was melting their squishies with just a couple shots due to the type of build I did

And nobody fed during the time of farming

Icy Defiance

well, top and mid both did, which is why I was surprised about the win, lol

I saved sooo many people by blocking veigar's spells with my shield, though. that was fun.

and he still went 14/5/17.

stupid veigar

Almo

hahaha

I felt like we won that game. You by carrying me through most of the game, then me by properly murdering people in the last couple fights.

Vayne and Quinn just vanished as soon as they showed up leaving them with no real damage

Almo

15:02

if you do a google search for "mysql set foreign_key_checks" my answer on SO is top hit :)

must be why I keep getting rep from it

Shroeder

Greetings

Almo

you can edit that like this

Shroeder

Why would I its perfect?

:P

Almo

every chat that does not have this feature sucks

:)

notably MS Lync

Shroeder

Yup

And they have a small max char length

Almo

15:05

I find Lync amazingly horrible

Shroeder

So I can't paste xml structures to co-workers

Almo

the interface is just bad

Shroeder

agreed

Almo

goin up to hit the minimize button, if I'm not fast enough, the mouse triggers a person's info to pop up, covering the minimize button

the width of the window changes depending on if there are one or more people in the chat

conference calls are popped out into a seperate window, with an even different size

and isn't visible in the main chat window's list of conversations

have to go to the task bar to get it

just bad all around man

it's like the people programming and designing this thing don't use it

AttackingHobo

15:17

@Almo No, the programmers were probably very sad leaving it how it was. Problem is, is they had managers. :(

Almo

hahaha

could be true

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

15:33

Has any of you guys tried Project Zomboid?

Almo

not me

user4704

@Almo Lync is effing horrid.

Almo

heh glad I'm not the only one who thinks so

user4704

The Lync team doesn't even use it.

Almo

hehehe

user4704

15:42

I reported a bug with search to them once, and they were basically like "oh we don't use that feature since our group is so small"

Almo

hahaha

user4704

A total waste of space.

AttackingHobo

Most interesting server error page i've come across. matica.com/tutorials/blender/…

though I don't know if showing source code on an error is the most secure thing to do....

Almo

heheh

user4704

Do you think it's real?

user4704

15:51

I figured it was fake "nerd joke" code.

user4704

But now I have doubts, looking around at the context a little more

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