Game Development

Jon

21:00

smart man :)

He got two life sentences

so hopefully he enjoyed it while he could

if he was manufacturing lsd, i'm sure he did

I personally, think LSD is very a very important discovery

what it does to the human mind, is just ... undescribable

possibly a view into dementia

a deterioration of reality

Icy Defiance

I wonder how useful it is to science, or how much they're even allowed to study the stuff...

Wardy

so not that smart ... you'd think he could afford to break out of prison

Icy Defiance

I've heard it's extremely difficult to study medical uses of marijuana because of the laws against it

Jon

the army tested it

i know i've seen some crazy things in my younger days

Jennifer Lawrence Calls Photo Hacking a “Sex Crime”

lawlz

who gives a shit what she calls it

Wardy

@Jon its not photo hacking if someone guesses your iCrap account password

Jon

21:12

Wardy

if I was famous I would definitely not be putting stuff like that on anything related to apple or any other server for that matter

@Jon i love that film :)

Jon

def one of my faves too haha

hahahahahahaha

The Plague, swipes a diskette from ZeroCool, aka, CrashOverride, containing the code to the virus.

on a skateboard, nontheless

Wardy

complete crap from a movie buff point of view but awesome for geeks

Icy Defiance

@Wardy the best part about that whole thing wasn't the whole "don't put private shit on the internet" thing. that's just stupid people being stupid. the best part was the blatant hypocrisy on the part of news organizations calling it horrible and perverted and all that.

Jon

you know.. that movie created a wave of wannabees

Aidan Mueller

21:16

@Jon So why do you like VS so much?

Jon

it glamorized the pc nerds that knew how to hack into your email

Icy Defiance

like huffington post saying the images should all be removed from the internet and everyone who views them should be arrested, when they have a whole page complete dedicated to sideboob shots of celebrities

Wardy

@Jon lol yeh

Icy Defiance

or gawker saying the same thing when just a short time earlier it had a sex tape from some male celebrity that they said they wouldn't take down no matter what

Jon

@AidanMueller it is fast, i've been using it for 173 years

Aidan Mueller

21:17

I am always tempted to type so with to Os in that context.

Wardy

@IcyDefiance haha yeh

its the celebs fault its on the net in the first place

just because you set a password don't mean its safe

Icy Defiance

don't get me wrong, hacking is a crime

Jon

heh. you set the same password across 5 sites.. probably not safe anymore

Icy Defiance

but once the images are public, trying to stop it will only make them spread more

Aidan Mueller

@Jon It appears as though it doesn't accurately compile numbers.

Wardy

21:18

i don't even have my address or anything like thato n my facebook account

Jon

specially if your name is titty mcgee

Wardy

most people post geolocated status updates

that's just retarded

Jon

All it takes is a sys admin at a topsite

Aidan Mueller

@Jon What's so bad about Code::Blocks?

Jon

I never said anything bad about code::blocks

Icy Defiance

21:19

lol I've seen a few people theorizing that the leak came from the NSA

Jon

I just said I would never give up visual studio

Pip

@Noctrine Thanks for the notification!

Icy Defiance

they were maybe 80% joking, but there's that question, it's totally possible...

Jon

Someone from a topsite.. probably something like facebook, looked up celebs

then realized that their icloud passwords were the same

then jerked off for a bit

Aidan Mueller

@Jon What exactly are you using that tree thingy for?

Jon

21:20

then leaked what he got when he was bored

Pip

@AidanMueller ~~Code::Blocks~~ < VS

Jon

@AidanMueller in my game

Wardy

well if i ever lose all my data I know who i'll ask for a backup ...

Aidan Mueller

Is it part of the editor?

Jon

naw

i just posted the leaf particle picture

Aidan Mueller

21:21

@Pip VS !openSource

Pip

VS is awesome tho <3

Jon

Pip

awesome

Jon

what skycolor do you like more?

Pip

much progress :D

Jon

21:21

Pip

Ooh, definitely the second

Jon

yeah me too

Aidan Mueller

Second!

Jon

makes the trees cleaner

Wardy

@AidanMueller why is open source so important for people ?

Jon

21:23

open source means that if something breaks, I can fix it myself.

I run the monogame source code alongside my project

Icy Defiance

the second seems to have a gradient where it gets a little lighter at the bottom

Wardy

open source from what i've seen mostly results in crappy unfinished projects with so little funding that they are rarely actually both useful and bug free

Icy Defiance

I like that gradient a lot more than the lighter overall color

though I'm not sure it would look as nice on the first screenshot

so overall, yeah, second one is nicer

Aidan Mueller

@Jon So did you come up with the tree algorithm?

Pip

yep

Wardy

21:23

@Jon why when if its not someone else has to fix it for you

Noctrine

@IcyDefiance The laws aren't the same for the people doing testing on behalf of the government.

Jon

@AidanMueller it is a paper.. I have the link if you are interested

Aidan Mueller

@Wardy Not always. What about blender?

Wardy

I would rather report a bug to microsoft than worry about fixing .Net

@AidanMueller I agree there are exceptions to the rule

Jon

I spent a good two weeks studying and writing the algorithm in C#

Aidan Mueller

21:24

@Jon That's ok. Just curious.

Jon

I also made a blog post

jgallant.com/…

explains everything there with source code

I thought it was really interesting so I wanted to share

Aidan Mueller

@Wardy What really bugs me is when something is free, but not opensource.

Noctrine

@Jon the US started a new batch of chemical trials of LSD in 2009 - I don't know where they've gone tho

Aidan Mueller

That just doesn't make sense to me.

Wardy

@AidanMueller why

Pip

21:25

Whoa this is really nice!

education.github.com/pack

Aidan Mueller

@Wardy Because there is no reason to not make it opensource.

Noctrine

There are all kinds of reasons to not make things open source.

Aidan Mueller

But if it's freeware?

Noctrine

Yes.

Aidan Mueller

Like?

Jon

21:26

I don't want my game open source

Wardy

@AidanMueller unless you want to give the product away but charge for support

Icy Defiance

@Wardy projects aren't shitty because they're open source. they're usually just open source because the creator has no desire for profit and therefore can't get the funding to make the project less shitty.

Noctrine

Proprietary code developed by or licensed by a company?

Icy Defiance

UE4 is open source and has a desire for profit, and therefore it's doubly awesome

Aidan Mueller

@Jon Well for games yes, but for other software.

Jon

21:27

The tree code I provided is strictly my demo code, and nothing from that point on into the implementation of my engine is included

Wardy

@IcyDefiance I agree ... but despite my massive over simplification of the issue its the typical in open source software

Noctrine

@IcyDefiance For some definitions of open source.

Wardy

that said there are some really good examples out there

Jon

the amount of optimizations I made, makes that demo code crap at this point... I would need to revise the demo

Wardy

mono is great and blender is a great example of open source that works

Jon

21:28

I love mono

Wardy

All i mean by this is that the ideal for open source isn't the norm

Jon

Xamarin is my future most likely

until then.. monogame :)

Wardy

@Jon isn't unity based on that ?

Icy Defiance

@Wardy but it's not a fault of being open source. it's a correlation, not a causation. kind of like black people being disproportionately represented in US prisons.

Jon

Xamarin are leaders in the mono gaming world

Wardy

21:29

@IcyDefiance reasonable point I spose

I'm not saying open source is bad ... just that I personally get that bad taste when trying to break in to an open source project

bugs the crap out of me

Jon

I think unity utilizes xamarin for certain platform builds

Wardy

this is why when I make my code open source I want it to be a good solid stable state

Icy Defiance

also I bet closed source projects have a pretty similar ratio of good:shitty projects. they just don't get publicity because "open source more secure omg!" so you never hear about them.

Jon

a lot of open source projects are shit its all about the support that is put into it

Aidan Mueller

@Wardy I think my top open source software would be:
Blender
Audacity
LMMS
GIMP (actually GIMP kind of sucks. I mean, it's not *terrible*, but I am looking forward to upcoming improvements. More powerful than Paint.NET when you need it though)

Wardy

21:31

then people can if they want improve on it but I don't expect the community to fix my product because its broken

Noctrine

A lot of projects are shit and it's all about the work put into them

Jon

monogame has gotten a lot of support over the past few years.. and made it a pretty solid platform to develop on... Xamarin filled in the gaps

Wardy

Support is a big factor in open source

there has to be a good following

Noctrine

depending on how you define success

Icy Defiance

if you get into webdev or networking or other server stuff, you'll notice that almost all of the popular tools are open source

almost anything that needs to be really secure is open source

if it's not open source, people don't trust it, which is pretty justifiable

Almo

21:35

I'm pretty happy with Audacity

Icy Defiance

also if it's a hosted service and hosted inside a five eyes country, that's considered a security flaw by a lot of sysadmins

Wardy

@IcyDefiance generally speaking ... people have had this issue with windows for years

but then look at SSL ... that had a major scare recently and the entire net sits on it

there is something to be said for closed source

Icy Defiance

that was OpenSSL, an open source implementation of SSL, and the flaw was fixed the instant it was discovered

with a closed source implementation it would have taken months and you'd just have to wait

*cougn*java web applets*cough*

also flash

at least flash fixes things within a week or two instead of months, usually

Chris

the Flash updater is also pretty quick
Java updater is a bloody hassle

Icy Defiance

lol right, java updater makes UAC light up and I always just click no because I don't want to deal with it

SpartanDonut

21:39

Would you like to install the Ask Toolbar?

Almo

Fuck the damned Ask toolbar.

Icy Defiance

ask still exists?

Almo

fuck any downloaded plugin toolbar, for that matter.

Icy Defiance

I used to see ask toolbar all the time, but now it's the AVG toolbar

that and yahoo

SpartanDonut

@IcyDefiance If you would update Java you would know the answer to this :P

Almo

21:40

hahaha

ok, heading out will talk later :)

Pip

lol

Icy Defiance

@SpartanDonut shit, it really has been a long time since I updated java... XD

Aidan Mueller

I think the package manager handles flash updates and stuff in ~~linux~~ Debian.

Icy Defiance

yep

mint is debian based right?

that's what I had on my laptop until a few days ago

Aidan Mueller

Of all the things that I have loved since I switched, the package manager is one of my favs.

I think so.

It might even be ubuntu based, not sure. But pretty sure it's at least debian based.

Icy Defiance

21:43

the package manager is great, but only because it allows you to add new locations to download things from.

Pip

I am pretty sure it has roots in both @AidanMueller

let me find the family tree agian

Icy Defiance

if ms or apple tried to do the same thing, they wouldn't allow that, and everyone would hate it

Aidan Mueller

I am actually happy with the default repos.

Pip

'ere you go

wow.....

.commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg

Aidan Mueller

The reason I like it is because of the updates.

So easy to update.

"What's that? Shellshock?"

Icy Defiance

21:44

wow that is a huge tree

Aidan Mueller

sudo apt-get update

Pip

Yeah, it is :)

Icy Defiance

would be better in interactive form

Aidan Mueller

sudo apt-get upgrade

Icy Defiance

an image is a pain to navigate

Aidan Mueller

21:45

Fixed.

SpartanDonut

I'm curious if we will see more use of the app store in Windows 10 due to the UI changes

Would be nice to just install Chrome from the app store

things like that

Pip

@IcyDefiance look how big the debian tree is :P

Also, apparently all things Ubuntu are derived from Debian, Ubuntu is the most major branch of Debian

Icy Defiance

right, that one I knew

Pip

mhm

And Mint is a branch of Ubuntu

found it, it's towards the top of the Ubuntu branches

Aidan Mueller

So is chromeOS.

Pip

21:48

(mint-colored line)

Aidan Mueller

I am a bit surprised by that.

Pip

I am too, actually

Had to have somewhere to start, I guess

Aidan Mueller

LOL

I am going to make my own distro, and call it oreOS!

Icy Defiance

about the win10 app store, I don't see it happening unless they also standardize the install and uninstall process for every program, which as a user would be awesome, but as a dev it would be waaay too much work.

Aidan Mueller

"America's favorite OS"

Pip

21:50

nice

Aidan Mueller

I'll also make a bootloader and call it milk.

And while we're on the subject of sweets, I may as well make it run on the RaspberryPI.

Pip

Lol

RasPi <3

Aidan Mueller

Has anybody here heard of that new band 1023 megabytes?

No?

Well of course you haven't - they haven't had any gigs yet.

Pip

wow

just.... wow

Icy Defiance

unless you use the 1000 MB definition of GB

which is normal enough that GiB was invented to be 1024

user4704

22:04

@SpartanDonut searching the start menu is probably designed to push that

user4704

(when you open the start menu and start typing, you get matches for applications in the app store you can install as well as those already on your machine)

user4704

I find it exceedingly annoying.

Icy Defiance

I've heard it does that, but haven't seen it yet on my own install. It's strange.

I can see it being nice or really irritating, depending on how it's implemented

Aidan Mueller

I bet I know @hasherr's favorite food: Salted hashes.

And he eats them on a rainbow table.

7Blue_Beast7

Oreo are so good

Noctrine

22:12

kickstarter.com/projects/1781631932/…

2

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie When will everyone unmute me finaly?

Noctrine

Ran into these guys at CES - their demo was pretty cool. They'd hooked like Halo up to some motion controls and a few other games. Don't think I'd pay 299+ for the controller tho :\

user4704

@7Blue_Beast7 Don't reply to messages with-unrelated topics please.

7Blue_Beast7

I feel like i don't exist. There are only a few who would actually do so in this room right now and ones name begins with A.

user4704

I can't tell you when people will unmute you. That's up to them.

user4704

22:13

Perhaps never.

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie Since when did I become unrelated topic?

hahaaaha what the?

Icy Defiance

I'll need some incredible, glowing reports from several other people in this chat room before I remove him from my ignore list

and considering he just got suspended for 8 hours yesterday, and a couple days before that was flagging people just for saying they didn't like him...

doesn't look like that'll happen yet

Aidan Mueller

My favorite star treck character are data.

:P

7Blue_Beast7

Maybe it should con sidering I need some heavy attention to get you guys to do so

user4704

@7Blue_Beast7 Your question about being unmuted has nothing to do with this message: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/18044192#18044192

Pip

22:16

@Noctrine looks good for use with the Rift :)

user4704

If you just want to get my attention, just @-mention my name. Don't reply to an unrelated message. It's annoying.

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie Oh I was just clicking on one of your messages to reply to you about something different?

@JoshPetrie Like this?

Pip

@IcyDefiance you should look at that :/

Aidan Mueller

@7Blue_Beast7 Yes, that is what he means.

user4704

Yup.

7Blue_Beast7

22:21

Okay that's what I'll do then instead of replying to messages with something different.

Pip

In other news: hopefully finishing my magnetometer compass tonight

7Blue_Beast7

@Pip What is suppose to do?

Pip

I heard a ping but there is no message.... wtf?

@Wardy Now THAT is what I have been waiting for :P

(jk)

user4704

@Pip Do you have Pyscho on ignore?

Pip

but really good job, man

@JoshPetrie yes, but not the SE way; using Blue's script (slightly modified)

user4704

22:30

@Pip That's probably why then.

Pip

ah

user4704

He pinged you.

Wardy

@pip you should have said

I had that running before I started on the DX code

Pip

I was kidding :P

Honestly you have done a fantastic job so far :)

Seth Battin

@Noctrine I am not optimistic about their kickstarter attempt. Very cool project, but it doesn't seem compatible with crowdfunding. It's one of those purchase-a-reward kickstarts whose sole goal is to start a profitable business for the developers. Why should anyone want to invest in their success?

Wardy

22:32

@Pip thx man ... although I think @Jon is doing much better than me :)

Pip

You are both doing awesome things :)

brb, dogs

Noctrine

@Seth Neither am I, but more because of the number of units they would have to sell at that price point to reach their target.

Seth Battin

Yeah...maybe they'll find seed money

eh, who knows. maybe it'll work out for them

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie He didn't read my message?

user4704

@7Blue_Beast7 No, he is ignoring you I guess.

7Blue_Beast7

22:34

@JoshPetrie But it wasn't even a crazy message :(

user4704

shrug

7Blue_Beast7

It was an actual question.

user4704

That's not really my problem.

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie Well yeah... but you could have told him what I said?

Noctrine

So. I do all this client work, to fund game development - but then I now have client work filling all of my time instead of games.

@7Blue_Beast7 We aren't gonna play telephone for you.

user4704

22:37

@7Blue_Beast7 I could have, in theory. But I won't. He's ignoring you for a reason.

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie Who said I'd do something stupid again?

user4704

Nobody did.

Seth Battin

@Noctrine Is this a particular occurrence or a general problem?

user4704

He doesn't need a reason to ignore you, so it doesn't matter.

user4704

You have to learn to accept the consequences of your actions.

Noctrine

22:39

@SethBattin For the moment, it's a general problem. A bit of it is good, like I don't have a problem with getting art anymore. But now I have a problem with getting my own code done.

I feel like, it's going to end with me hiring a programmer and becoming some sort of executive producer :|

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie Don't they end?

user4704

@7Blue_Beast7 Some do, some don't.

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie So if he is using Blue's script to ignor me... isn't that hacking?

user4704

No.

user4704

Not in the against-the-rules way you are thinking of, at least.

Seth Battin

22:41

@Noctrine I read this last night: http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=23830

It made me feel like a real whiner for ever believing i didn't have enough time or money.

Pip

@JoshPetrie huh?

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie So how does it even work?

Noctrine

@Pip I can only imagine how this looks to you.

user4704

@Pip tldr you are not breaking rules by using a script (client-side JS I assume?) to ignore users

Pip

ah

user4704

22:42

@7Blue_Beast7 I have no idea, I don't use it or know anything about it.

Pip

Yeah, it's client-side js

@Noctrine really funny actually :)

Seth Battin

Sounds like the script isn't perfect, if it's letting pings through. Why not use the normal block function?

7Blue_Beast7

@JoshPetrie Lol...

Pip

@SethBattin because I occasionally want to watch Psycho's craziness.... occasionally

Noctrine

@SethBattin With limited actual responsibilities I've got an excess of one or the other. The finding of balance is the part that's difficult. Where some clients will hit me with requests that ruin my timeline - but are also really good for having resources available to me.

Pip

22:47

And I have it not block him on transcripts, the conversations cutting off were really weird

Seth Battin

@Pip good reason

7Blue_Beast7

@Pip So What is this thing you working on then?

user4704

I've always found ignoring people to be more trouble than it's worth. Via software at least.

Noctrine

^

I feel like the solution, is to charge more.

user4704

I'd always get curious when I couldn't follow the conversation.

user4704

22:48

Plus I think it's irresponsible as a moderator.

Seth Battin

Excellent solution, Noctrine. Supply and demand :)

Noctrine

If an individual user is going to derail the room, one or more people having them on ignore doesn't really do anything for it.

Now as a moderator, individual users ignoring users makes my life so much easier.

Icy Defiance

Twitter sues US government over ban on disclosing the number of NSLs and FISA orders they receive. blog.twitter.com/2014/…

Noctrine

That blog post moved my empathy, I want to buy their game to support them - but it's not something I'm particularly interested in :\

Seth Battin

does anyone recall a question about multi-layer input systems? searching has been fruitless so far

user4704

22:50

@IcyDefiance Huh.

Noctrine

@SethBattin What do you mean?

user4704

One of the first good things I've seen Twitter do recently.

Noctrine

@Josh Twitter thinks it's a violation of free speech to not be able to say how many times the government makes them do stuff.

Seth Battin

i can only vaguely remember it, but it was about abstracting the various input layers with an interface, and possibly wrapping that interface in another layer

Icy Defiance

can't say I've heard anything evil about twitter, other than the tracking they do with the stupid tweet buttons

nothing good either, so I just had no opinion about them as a company

Noctrine

22:51

^ Is that really evil though?

I feel like the barrier for evil is a lot lower these days.

user4704

Oh, they got a bunch of bad PR a while back from being developer-unfriendly.

Seth Battin

if the standard for evil is the potential to do evil with gathered information, then everyone is evil

user4704

And various other business-y "monetize the user" things.

Icy Defiance

@Noctrine ehh, I could make an argument for it being evil, but mostly I just don't want to be tracked

user4704

Not terrible in the grand scheme of things, but always very self-serving.

user4704

22:52

This is decidedly not, which is notable.

Noctrine

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Q: Input management techniques in large games

Is there a standard technique for managing input in large games. Currently, in my project, all input handling is done in the game loop, like so: while(SDL_PollEvent(&event)){ switch(event.type){ case SDL_QUIT: exit = 1; break; ...

Seth Battin

nailed it

i was thinking of sean's answer

Noctrine

Yeah, that's what I figured.

Aidan Mueller

This is ridiculous.

The 0ad package is half a gig.

Hmm. The windows one is too. I don't remember it taking this long.

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