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20:00
in the UV window, click View, and change to paint. Click the + button top left of that window to bring out color options change it to w/e you like and start painting on the texture
Jon
Jon
ok
You can see the UV stuff if you are in edit mode on the cube
Jon
Jon
Yeah, so I am mapping a texture to a cube surface
You can go back into View mode to change the UV coords
try seeing how it looks with stretching
or overlap on the coords
or scaling
Jon
Jon
hmmm
I don't know if I am going to be able to use this tool to do that, lol
20:02
all that stuff should help you grasp whats happening with instant visual feedback for how different things look
You are not going to be able to to but ^^
Jon
Jon
But what you are saying, is that I would need to experiment to effectively texture these trees
Yeah. You could figure out what looks nice in blender and then replicate those results instead of doing it backwards
also you can experiment quicker with blender
Jon
Jon
you can :P
The other idea is to generate a texture with noise and just blend it over top
that could work, but doesn't leave much room for artists to work with
you can export hte UV map from blender and edit hte textures in w/e image editor you like
Jon
Jon
No, you are right about that.
it would also not blend properly with the branches most likely
20:06
why not?
Erg!!!
Want let me upload video of my Planet in here???????????
oh the noise not blending. Yeah it might look just like an overlayed texture with the noise.
Also you could do varied trees, like palm trees or pine or w/e kind of bark
Well almost finished with my space game
Jon
Jon
@AttackingHobo ok thanks for the help man, I'm gonna see what I can do
:D
@Jon You're welcome. Can't wait to see awesomeness.
20:19
playing with visual styles
I'm starting to like how configurable my gui engine is, even with only buttons :D
white text makes me sad
why
Harder to read than black text on a lighter background
I have dark background in my code editor for a reason
I hate black on white
@Lasse did you read the link I posted?
20:30
yes, it said 50% of population finds black on white preferable
I'm in the other 50%
"People with astigmatism (aproximately 50% of the population) find it harder to read white text on black than black text on white."
I really don't see your point
I have very sharp vision but have slight astigmatism. white on black is not fun to read for me esp in a dark place
my eyes hurt and my sight starts to wander around if I try to read black on white, which is why I hate reading books
I just can't stand it
when I read gray on black my eyes feel a lot more relaxed
dark on light is readable for everyone, but not preferable to everyone. light on dark is just not readable to some people
20:33
gray on grey however... that's how to make text
Pip
Pip
lol
Jon
Jon
i'm knees deep in vertices
Also I hate white on black. If I look away after reading I see lines in my vision
I hate it too when it's full white on full black, but if the contrast is right, then it's more pleasing than the opposite
Jon
Jon
first attempt at a custom UV map seemed to have failed... texture completely ignored.
20:37
if you have ever worked with web desing, you might have noticed that the text color is never deep black, it's usually something like #333333 or some other darker gray
that makes the text more readable than just being full black, it's the same thing in the opposite colours
what are you working on @Jon?
Jon
Jon
trees still
Pip
Pip
Anyone know how I can improve the C++ error checking thing in VS?
@Pip Since when are you doing C++?
Pip
Pip
It doesn't realize stuff has been fixed for a long time, usually not until it is saved
install gentoo and get a proper compiler
Pip
Pip
20:39
@Lokkij for one of the robotics teams I am on
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Q: Dark or white color theme is better for the eyes?

Alex TwainThis is not a programming question, but it concerns the programmer itself. So I don't know if it really belongs on this site. But my question is: what is better for the eyes, a dark color theme or a white color theme?

it does that on C# too
Jon
Jon
I hate this damn HLSL converter for monogame.. ugh
it seems to strip parameters out when it thinks it is not being used
@Pip Ooh okay. I was worried you started another project in another language :P
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Pip
@Lasse never had that happpen for me
Jon
Jon
20:39
But the parameters are being used, DAMN YOU
Pip
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@Lokkij nope :P
Jon
Jon
stop optimizing my shit :)
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Pip
@Lasse why gentoo?
it was joke
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Pip
What would you actually recommend?
20:41
visual studio just isn't very good for C++ developement, but it's the best I have used on windows
Pip
Pip
ah
What's the best on Linux? (assuming you use Ubuntu)
it depends on your preferences, I believe vim or emacs are the most common
Pip
Pip
ah
I was thinking of using Sublime Text
Jon
Jon
ok, can someone explain to me parameters in a PixelShader?
I haven't used it much in other than PHP programming
Jon
Jon
20:45
in examples, they specify things such as (float3 polar : TEXCOORD0)
Pip
Pip
It's one of the IDEs I tried for Python when I was getting started
pixelshader? shoo you directx user
Pip
Pip
used it for a long time, actually
Jon
Jon
Where is this parameter set?
I find GLSL much more simpler to understand than HLSL, one more reason to use opengl
Jon
Jon
20:47
well, i convert it to a openGL compatible
so i can support both platforms
Grey on Grey s nistocopocolypsesticasocose?
Jon
Jon
Man, I plan to do that too
Split me to a two
jg is rank Weirdism
"underscores our commitment to the turnaround plan"
what would this turnaround plan be, exactly?
are they going to stop making desktop computers where parts can't be replaced without taking a saw to the damn case?
Jon
Jon
21:00
y u no take texture graphic card? y?
mostly just a bunch of management jargon that means nothing
this looks a little better: wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/…
still mostly meaningless though
"we must listen to customers! (but we have no plans to act on what we hear)"
lol psycho keeps talking and I have no idea what he's saying. such bliss. :'D
Jon
Jon
holy shit i was drawing the texture with a color
by mistake
all along.
he's talking?
Jon
Jon
AGGGGGGGHGHGHGHGHGAHAHGAHHAGHAHAGH\
oh i see the icon now
Pip
Pip
21:09
@Jon aww :(
I warned psycho i'd ignore him if he kept pinging me, and he pinged me to say that was dumb. so... there you go.
Hi guys
Pip
Pip
ey
hahah great name
Jon
Jon
Hello
21:11
I have him blocked using Blue's script so conversations don't randomly get very confusing
"heavens to murgatroid"
Pip
Pip
@Lokkij same :)
@Almo heh
:)
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Pip
whoa at all the mods
21:12
It's strange getting summoned into another room. Usually it's the Bridge that summons people
what happened
Pip
Pip
I have no idea :/
@Almo Flags ping every 10k+ and mod in any chat room
or a random selection of them, I think
Oh something got flagged. Ok.
Pip
Pip
ah
one left
brb
Jon
Jon
21:13
Ugh... my UV mapping is failing
its all orange.
maybe it isn't failing.
hmmmmm
@murgatroid99 was it my message that got flagged?
Jon
Jon
probably mine, I am sorry, been working hard all day.
look at the log for proof.
@IcyDefiance no, Blue's
At least, that was the only one I saw
ooh that's interesting. usually he's the one flagging other people for stupid things, lol. I won't ask what he said, though. I have him on ignore for a reason.
That's odd
Ooh BlueBeast. I thought actual Blue.
21:16
yeah I was thinkin, "I didn't see Blue in here."
lol yeah Blue is way too classy to get flagged
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he's also not the kind to say something that would be flagged
I did not realize that was ambiguous
Jon
Jon
AHHHH, I was using the wrong registry
understandable :)
there's also "BlueBug" in here too
Jon
Jon
21:17
such a noob mistake
there are 3 different Blues that frequent this chat room and a few others that just appeared once or twice.
it gets really confusing sometimes
BlueBeast used to show up and annoy the Bridge, so I wasn't surprised when I saw him flagged here
anyway, I was only here for the flag, so I'm out
Pip
Pip
21:19
@murgatroid99 I am pretty sure that >75% of this room has him on ignore or is using a script to achieve the same effect.
cya tho
How did they get him out of the Bridge? He just keeps coming back here.
the bridge is allowed to be mean to people
actually I have no idea.
Stop-Motion Parkour: youtube.com/watch?v=g3p2TZ5q9to
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I'm having this issue where youtube enabled safety mode infinately, so I can't watch most videos.....
If I disable it, it says it was successful but doesn't change
@Pip do you have safesearch on in Google?
Pip
Pip
nope
21:28
Odd
Pip
Pip
They SHOULD enable each other, and disable each other, but don't
anyhow, cya all
Going to dinner -> robotics -> homework -> bed
bye!
@Pip dinner -> robotics -> homework -> LoL -> bed
21:45
Anyone know if you can rotate the thumbnail preview in unity?
i don't know sorry :(
Jon
Jon
you could if it was open source
the more I use windows 8 the more I hate it
now I discovered why it does not randomly let my mouse to move to the other screen, it's because the mouse is moving too slowly
if I move my mouse too slowly for windows, it does not let the cursor leave the screen
and the start button on my main screen does not work, I have to go to the other screen to click it
"if I move my mouse too slowly for windows, it does not let the cursor leave the screen" unable to replicate that
and I every other day try to open shell console to type commands in, and then I remember "oh, right" and click hundred times to get done what I wanted
21:49
use powershell?
@AttackingHobo I can but only in the corners
"and the start button on my main screen does not work, I have to go to the other screen to click it" set your "main screen" to actually be the main screen in the video options
no time to learn that crap, I want bash
it is the main screen
Powershell is pretty nifty stuff though I only use it for platform (application) specific things. It's great for automation within that application
I can't click the start menu on the display 2, which is the main display in the settings
Jon
Jon
21:53
Man, I give up with this custom UV mapping solution... this is just not working out -- pretty sure it is because my vertices are so small
@Jon shouldn't matter at all about size
Jon
Jon
I get 2 colors show up
not even sure where those colors come from.
green and red?
Jon
Jon
i guess i'l call it a day for now
pick this up tomorrow
@Jon try just doing a square or cube first then once you got it working in engine get your branches and stuff squared away.
Jon
Jon
21:55
oh, i got squares done fine
this is a different beast
@Lasse so you click the button and nothing happens?
ye
Does it give you the hover effect?
no
Jon
Jon
i'll post the best I got up to now :)
21:56
That's weird
@Lasse do you have a plugin for a different start menu?
no
Jon
Jon
getting somewhere
but, still looks like poopy
21:57
First search result suggests bad graphics driver
Jon
Jon
anywhoo... be back tomorrow most likely :)
love you guys
See ya Jon!
@SpartanDonut it's the latest from nvidia
lol... on the page that said that I had a "recommended post" in the corner about how Windows 9 may only cost $30 for Windows 7 users xD
Well googling this issue is actually kind of difficult
Maybe just try toggling the setting to show the button on and off
And it seems you can disable the "show x when I put my mouse in corner y" type features. I would expect that to disable the stickiness
And I'm a liar... no option to disable the button apparently
I disabled hot cornerds but the mouse is still sticking to the screen edges
fix windows to a useful state: modify registry
way to go microsoft
22:07
I find it odd that others of us don't have this problem =/
I've even got the settings enabled. Like I said, sticky is only in the corners where it's actually handy
those buttons that appear from the corner are just in the way when I try to close windows or something
the sticky monitor edges are a glitch. for me it seems to happen after using some metro apps.
annoying as hell, but should go away after a reboot, or sometimes it just goes away on its own at a totally random time
doesn't happen often at least. maybe once every couple weeks.
but I avoid metro apps most of the time
As far as the bars getting in the way... they don't actually get in the way until you move your mouse downwards a significant amount. Sure a transparent version appears letting you know it's there, but you can still click the X right through it.
I got it almost all the time
I don't use any metro apps
Have you installed windows updates recently?
22:12
saturday
@IcyDefiance @Almo are you being friended by spam bots at all in LoL
I had to reset my bios to get windows to boot again after the updates
not as of yesterday
@SpartanDonut yes
fuckers
@Lasse well this isn't normal either
22:13
no friend requests today either
even bots don't like me :'(
@SpartanDonut no shit? :P
@Almo Recently started happening to me in the last few days... no clue what list I signed up for
can't say I've ever reset my bios for any reason
I mean... why would you have to reset BIOS for OS level problems?
I feel like you've got problems greater than Windows or something
what problem could possibly be greater than windows
;)
22:15
I mean I realize how an OS works and whatnot... I just feel we might have the cause/effect backwards
lol
well, the boot sector kind of seemed to vanish after the update, and it started working again after bios reset
@Almo MacOS BURRRN
guess i'll skip Win8 and wait for 10 haha
and boot sector is part of os
22:15
heheh ;)
I still haven't downloaded 10. I need to get on that
Was it a standard update or an 8.0 to 8.1 update?
just standard, I was using 8.1 already
bloody windows lol
doesn't even run on my 6-year-old mobo
windows is awesome and your complaints are just strange!
now I restarted explorer and the sticky screen edge problem seemed to vanish
22:17
There really is an argument to be made for for the closed system that is Mac... but lots of people don't like it
if I could install OS X on my own hardware I totally would
they ripped off freebsd (or openbsd?) and built osx from that
As much as I use stuff "out of the box" and never customize it... you would think I'd be all over Mac but nah
I bought a Mac
and an iPhone
now I'm putting Tallowmere on my phone lol
i don't recall which bsd it was
22:19
I do like Windows for games, but ahh
Xcode 6 dropped ios 7 sdk without asking me
I don't like macs either
Mac should go open source
now I can't connect xcode to my iphone 4 anymore :(
I'll probably end up just using SteamOS at some point
I am just dreaming for linux desktop revolution
some of osx is open source
though I think you mean more open source than that
"apache"
that's not part of osx
it's some more open source software they have copy pasted in
Yeah I mean in the sense of let other people help build up the OS to work on "unsupported" hardware
@Lasse I dream of platform agnostic computing
no need for that when linux takes over the world on desktops
22:22
I don't think I believe your statement
besides everything is getting multiplatform nowdays
Not everything
Lots of stuff isn't supported on Linux
So, moving another step towards Icy's side in the watch dogs thing :\
what isn't?
@Noctrine new news?
@Lasse games
name one thing that is not supported by linux
that's invalid, there are lots of games on linux
Assassins Creed Unity is being locked to be the same on X1 and PS4.
Not all the way over there with him, but just a little bit from where I was already.
I guess I see that as irrelevant because it has nothing to do with the PC version (I am assuming there is a PC version)
It's an interesting move and personally I think I like it
@Lasse won't happen until UX can be built by committee. (which is probably never)
Though I see why it would also be considered bad
22:25
@Almo what?
if they said the parity was to "reduce dev time" or something, that would be fine
Open source is a bad model for interface design
but if you just don't want to make one system look bad?
that's stupid
@Almo have you seen this: ubuntu.com
God, fucking Ubisoft makes me want to vomit.
22:26
PS4 users don't deserve to be gimped just because the Xbone has inferior hardware
@Lasse how is that invalid.... if I can't play the games I want to play on Linux what good does that do me? Just because it has games doesn't mean it has the games I want.
you might have noticed that somewhere, it's pretty famous linux distro
and PC users don't deserve to be gimped just because all consoles are peasant shit
@SpartanDonut one year forward and every single self-respecting game works on linux
they should already in my opinion
@Lasse when that happens, fine. Unfortunately it's not true now
22:28
most of the games already work on linux, the devs just don't bother build proper release even if it's just a click of a button like it is on unity
I find that ridiculous
most of the biggest games don't seem to have any plans of supporting linux
WoW and LoL being the first two examples
I think both of them work to some extent with wine, but it's not supported
@Lasse so as an end user... I should... steal source code and rebuild it for Linux?
I didn't say so
Ah. I thought you were making a point. Sorry
Because I'm talking about the reality of the market, not what devs should do.
@SpartanDonut duh. Its so easy, you just hold their families hostage and release them when they release a linux build, no matter if they used windows DLLS
22:30
pretty sure there's an xkcd relevant to that...
I've used this piece of crap os now for 2 months and it's already making me mental
but now I have to use unity for work, and I sometimes work from home, so I have to suffer
are you dual-booting?
if so, that might explain the screwed up bootloader thing
no, I need new HD before I do that
windows really doesn't like grub
dang it your problems are really strange
I feel the same way when I use linux. I was troubleshooting a co-workers ubuntu box because it uninstalled flash player when doing an auto update. Way more complex than a regular user could ever do himself
22:38
one good thing about windows, visual studio 2013 is somewhat usable, though it lacks some convenience features that are in monodevelop
not in the old version of monodevelop that comes with unity, I mean in the newest built from github repo
I should really give a new monodevelop a go... whats missing that ya like?
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I am doing remote support right now over phone
some refactoring features, I can generate code for properties and stuff like that with single click
the guy lost his mouse for a minute
it took him 1 min to find his mouse cursor
lol oh god
22:40
@AttackingHobo I feel you
I had him move the mouse all the way right and up and it will be in top right corner
;(
It really bugs me that a lot of remote support app things don't let you approve the UAC prompts or let you into Windows Services or Regedit
He couldn't figure out how to refresh his yahoo email so he reset his mac
@SpartanDonut teamviewer FTW
AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I've been on the line trying to get him to get teamviewer installed for 20 minutes
23:28
@Lasse in VS, don't click. type prop or propfull and hit tab
there's a couple other variations too that I forget
I know that one, I didn't mean it
ctor creates constructor
you can also write your own scripts like that. I think they're called snippets if you want to google it.
@SpartanDonut spectating you
@IcyDefiance but you can't create background fields for properties by simple click, and stuff like that
also current monodevelop's intellisense works a lot better, it recognises upper case letters and lets me type in "asd" when I wanted "AnnoyingSuperDispenser" from the autocomplete
@SpartanDonut that was painful
@SpartanDonut you in for a ranked game?
if not, i'll pester Icy
23:45
repeating gifs are annoying
ahhah
ok todders appears to have gone afk
you in for a game?
sure. haven't started anything yet anyway.
ok
just did tech support for a guy down the road and ran back home. quickly realized I am very out of shape. XD
heheh

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