Game Development

MickLH

00:01

lol "unknown" dominates frame time

Lasse

yeah, I haven't fully timed it

also @MickLH that's now single draw call to draw the gui, except for those texts since they use different shader

MickLH

very nice

Textured polygons or procedural GUI in shader?

Lasse

signed distance field fonts, very well scaling

MickLH

mmmmm

Lasse

the gui uses two buffers, color buffer and everything else

I might have to split them up eventually to more buffers

now when any object moves, the whole gui mesh gets reconstructed

MickLH

00:08

What's the render architecture, specifically how do you compost the 3D and the UI?

Lasse

the 3d is just very simple forward renderer now, with no support for lights

the lights seen there are hardcoded in the shader

and then I just splat the UI on top of that with no depth test

I'm not sure how I should describe it :D

MickLH

I'd call it a straightforward top-down implementation

Lasse

the main render() function can be described like this:

WaitForGuiUpdate();
GL.Clear(everything);
RenderQueue.Render();
GuiRoot.Root.Render();
SwapBuffers();

MickLH

It seems like the "regular way to do it"

Lasse

yeah I guess so

MickLH

00:14

I can tell it's the normal, accepted way, because I object to it yet I often still am guilty of doing it that way

hehe you could render the GUI first and punch out the stencil or depth buffer, and then save fillrate later

Lasse

lol

that might work

no blended text then though

if I wanted to draw it on top of the 3d scene

MickLH

You could have the pre-pass shader only render the fully opaque pixels, and then have it render the text again at the end for the blended pixels

but it looked like you could draw the button and punch out the depth, blend the text on the color with depth test off, then just continue rendering. maybe a good number of pixel blocks could get early-Z?

Lasse

sounds overly complicated :P

also I figured out what the "unknown" was

it was my debug output in console

MickLH

I really, truly, can't understand how that could be overly complicated. It's literally as simple as rendering the GUI first, with a Z value of 0.

Lasse

I've just never played with the buffers like that

I've never even used stencil buffer before :D

I guess I should do some practising

MickLH

00:28

ok that makes a lot of sense to a lot of things

Lasse

a lot of things eh?

MickLH

yeah like meta-"don't be an ass"-insight inspiring brutal honesty

Pip

Just got back from a highly productive robotics meeting :D

(and now doing homework, may not respond right away

Wrote a arduino sketch to use a Mag3110 chip as a compass, and calibrated the chip

anyhow, gotta do homework

hasherr

01:00

Oi

Pip

Oi @hasherr

sup?

hasherr

Busy haha

So busy.

Pip

Same, doing Biology homework at 9 PM on Sunday :/

have had so much to do!

hasherr

Yeah

Pip

Earlier today I thought I forgot to turn in an APCS lab :/

that was a scare

hasherr

01:08

Had work on Friday and then yesterday was my first 'day off' from everything in like 3 weeks.

Pip

good for you

hasherr

No school, no work, just me, sweatpants, and friends

Pip

Being on two robotics teams is a butt-ton of work, but so worth it imo

Almo

@IcyDefiance you there man?

Pip

Almo wants to play LoL :P

Icy Defiance

01:10

yep, just got back 15 minutes ago

Almo

cool

in a series

already lost one

so if you're smart, you'll say you're busy :)

Icy Defiance

well now I just don't know what you want me to do

so confusing

Pip

@hasherr I still have to write two freaking more paragraphs before my parents get home and yell at me because I was supposed to do this on Friday :/

Icy Defiance

just insert a little lorem ipsum in the middle somewhere

Almo

I want to to play LoL with me, but I can't lie that I think you'd be better off waiting till I'm out of the series if you want to keep your LP :)

Icy Defiance

01:12

be all like, "as the latin philosopher *made up name* said..." and then the lorem ipsum

and then never explain it

just move on

@Almo it's cool, I won't be demoted from just one or two losses. three losses might do it...

Almo

ok :)

hasherr

@Pip You know what I do when my parents yell at me?

Pip

what?

hasherr

You sit there quietly. And you listen, and you wait until they're done. And then you say 'Can I work now?'

Pip

Hm

might have to try that

hasherr

01:16

You're golden at that point :D

Pip

01:27

:D

I just got promised 10 more minutes to work on this, which is all I need, perfect

Blackboard is being stupid :/

Ali.S

►

3

Pip

night all

7Blue_Beast7

02:24

Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eat my planet now suckas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shroeder

02:41

Hello

Ali.S

@7Blue_Beast7 :P

7Blue_Beast7

@Shroeder Hiya their

@Shroeder Anything you needed?

Martin Sojka

09:56

@Ali.S CleverBot still needs to work on the long-term coherence of the texts, but for short (2-3 lines) of generated NPC dialogue as you run past them, it might work.

Christoph

hi gamedevs

Chris

hey man

Martin Sojka

Hi Chris I and Chris II.

Chris

:D

NDraskovic

Hi guys

Chris

10:02

allo
what are we working on?

Martin Sojka

Mapping (a portion of) the game world. :)

Chris

nice

Christoph

nothing really. I'm sick, couldn't sleep and now I can't concentrate

does hanging around count?

NDraskovic

it should, we are all doing it right now :D

Chris

hehehe

I took quite a long break (felt like it anyway) from doing any gamedev... I seem to have refound some inspiration though finally

NDraskovic

10:12

do you guys work in gamedev professionally (indie counts) or is it just a hobby to you

Martin Sojka

Hobby (since about 30 years). Professionally, I'm programming software for TV stations at the moment.

Chris

30 years, damn lol, that's cool

Martin Sojka

Multimedia stream control and monitoring and the like.

NDraskovic

nice

Chris

I'm just a hobbyist indie, but have sold some copies at least!

I paid for an Apple iOS dev account thing today. Have spent the day working on some on-screen controls

NDraskovic

10:18

how much did it cost you?

Chris

$99 USD for a year

Christoph

I'm just hanging out here, really. I like the gamedev chat when I just want to ask a technical question that wouldn't really fit the other SE rooms. Other than that, I'm a hardware hobbyist

NDraskovic

it's not too bad, but the whole thing where you have to pay to test your apps is a bit ridiculous to me

Chris

haha yeh I agree, it's a bit crap. Luckily Unity has made it be a breeze so far

NDraskovic

I mean, I don't mind them taking a cut when you sell your app, but if you are just trying to learn iOs development, then it is too much

but then again, it is Apple's MO

Chris

10:26

there's this Unity Remote 4 app for my phone; it streams the editor's gameview to the phone, and interprets my input - all for the sake of saving time by not having to compile the app in Xcode every time I wanna make a change - lovin it. and deploying the app to my device works flawlessly too

yeah, it's a rather high entry barrier

I think the Android fee is like $25/year

Chris

10:59

screenshot from my phone haha

roll your left thumb side to side to move, made shield be toggleable instead of having to hold it down (so that you can jump with shield raised easily still -- hard to do with two fingers on a mobile device)

user92578

12:52

Hey!

SpartanDonut

Morning

Shroeder

13:10

Spartan

Any experience in XNA games?

I screwed up a save file and need to delete it, but can't find the location

I'm not confident enough to start deleting random files that look like they might be my save file, but for some reason I can't find the find named save.sav, I could post you my saving code when I get home tonight, but right now I have a very simple post on stack game dev, ill link you to it...

0

Q: Where does my .sav file default to in XNA 4.0

I am looking to delete my save file from the solution in my XNA game. I never specify where the save file is to save, and can't find the default location on MSDN documentation. I am developing this game for the pc, and never prompt the user to select a save device.

xna pc

user92578

It's not in your project folder? In the same location your source files are?

Icy Defiance

how did you create/save this file?

just a streamwriter?

SpartanDonut

13:24

@Shroeder It really depends on your method for generating a save file. Usually you have to specify a path. If you only specified a file name and not a path along with it I would suspect it's in the output directory of the project, e.g. /bin/debug

Almo

13:36

@NDraskovic 30% is quite resonable considering the service you are getting. People can pay with any credit card. Apple pays the card processing fees. Also, you are getting access to users who demonstrably spend more money on apps than do Android users.

Shroeder

Yo spartan, can you look at my directory and see what you think

github.com/shroeder/GameRPG

That was the first place I looked : bin/debug

Almo

@NDraskovic I work for Behvaiour Interactive. But I also make games at home

Shroeder

Or could you help me with the root cause of the problem, I am throwing an error reflectling xml serializable on my Load of the save game. I started getting this error after I am attempting to put a Class Item Into the game structure.

I suspect you can only serialize simple types like string and int, not full on classes?

SpartanDonut

@Shroeder your classes would need to be identified as serializable with the serializable attribute

Is perhaps the problem that the file doesn't exist?

Shroeder

I don't see how, it ran loading/saving up until it started throwing this xml reflect issue

I mean, is there a way that the game is saving these files into an external place like the c drive or something

If i could find the file, I can go back to using my old save game structure without full on classes trying to be serialized in there

SpartanDonut

13:53

I've honestly not used the method found in your game

Shroeder

What do you use?

SpartanDonut

Standard file IO methods from .NET

That said I think I figured this out

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb200105.aspx

> User storage is in the My Documents folder of the user who is currently logged in, in the SavedGames folder. A subfolder is created for each game according to the titleName passed to the BeginOpenContainer method. When no PlayerIndex is specified, content is saved in the AllPlayers folder. When a PlayerIndex is specified, the content is saved in the Player1, Player2, Player3, or Player4 folder, depending on which PlayerIndex was passed to BeginShowSelector.

Shroeder

!!! You may be onto something there

I am at work tho:( So i can't very til i get home

Can you post this as an answer?

SpartanDonut

I'm going to update your question and my answer now that I've seen your code

Shroeder

Nice thanks man

SpartanDonut

13:59

Done

and no problem

Though the question edit does need approval and/or peer review

Icy Defiance

am peer, review says "come back when you're more famous, and maybe rich too"

it says that to me, not you

Almo

-2

Q: I Delete that Code But still Running

Imagine we have a project whole codes Doing right work now I Want To Add Some Other Codes Looks Like My Code Have Some Problem(Algorithm Mistake)Now I Delete That Codes I add But codes Still Running In Program Only For This Problem I Have To Copy Paste The Project To a New Project.This Problem Ma...

c++ qt c++11

hahaha

user92578

:DDD

Shroeder

So you don't serialize data @SpartanDonut?

SpartanDonut

@Shroeder Yeah I would use a standard stream reader/writer serializing classes into XML or binary or whatever else is needed

Shroeder

14:08

I've never serialized a full class before, but I am now trying to. Is there an XSL or Data Contract required to tell the xml how the full class should be rendered in XML? If that is the cast I will probably just make another save structure specific to the class and just clarify each property as its base type(int, string, whatever)

case*

SpartanDonut

It can be automatic or manual

4

Q: Loading levels in XNA from XML

I'm trying to load levels in XNA from XML files. I have currently got a system to do this working, but it looks like it might get horribly complex as I add more objects later on. My world currently consists of Planet entities along with physics props, scenery, static props, etc. It will later inc...

xna c# xml

Shroeder

Ok, just not sure How I will find why its breaking, I remember getting No stack trace on this error, I wonder if I just have my vs2013 settings screwed up

So i can save straight up xml files and use xpath on them once the .xml file is loaded via the content pipe line?

oXmlDocument = Content.load<XmlDocument>("xml.xml");

SpartanDonut

Umm

That is one option

Shroeder

OxmlDocument.selectsinglenode("charactersomething").innertext?

SpartanDonut

The answers in the link I provide give you options as to how you can deserialize right into the object type

Shroeder

14:13

Ahh

SpartanDonut

Both the top answers (one leveraging hte pipeline and the other just using the standard .NET xmlserializer deserialize the data directly into the data type

Shroeder

Isn't it a bit tedious vs the way I'm trying to save data

Granted I'm having some problems:P

SpartanDonut

Well that depends

In my answer, the example I gave was from a custom level format (XML File) that I had come up with that made sense to me

Your method isn't going to support that file format

Shroeder

Is mine specific to the .sav type

SpartanDonut

And it also doesn't make sense to use your method because it's user data and not level data

You wouldn't store level data in the my documents folder

Shroeder

14:17

well user data is for user settings and gamedata is for game data

SpartanDonut

Right

Many ways to skin a cat anyway

@Joe I see you lurking there

Shroeder

You are right sir, all though I know of only the one

SpartanDonut

I linked you to a question with more :P

Shroeder

I got a good direction from that though, I should be good to go tonight

Joe

@SpartanDonut haha - i saw your new computer purchase! how do you like it

SpartanDonut

14:19

Sounds good

Shroeder

New computer?

SpartanDonut

@Joe probably won't get it until next week at the earliest

Not really sure

Joe

im still eyeballing them - but got alot of other bills that come first

Almo

xcode updated itself, dropped the iOS7 SDK, and now I can't connect it to my iPhone 4 anymore. :(

Joe

if i could get a 18 mo interest free.. id order a machine today

Almo

14:21

good thing there's an iPad mini in the house.

Shroeder

Where you get a computer with a payment plan?

Almo

yeah, they depreciate so fast, repossession doesn't make sense for them

Shroeder

Mine sounds like a jet engine, can't wait to huck it off a building

next computer is getting its stock heatsync whipped in the trash

Joe

@Shroeder idk id probably need a new card lol

SpartanDonut

In general I've not had problems with stock heatsyncs

Shroeder

14:23

my house is old and dusty

Lasse

0

Q: How to draw a triangle with C# and OpenGL 4

Now, I want to develop a game using OpenGL 3.3 or higher and C#. Therefore I included OpenTK like this: #if DEBUG using OpenTK.Graphics.OpenGL4; #else using OpenTK.Graphics.OpenGL; #endif But I don't know what I have to write down in the OnRenderFrame method to draw and position a simp...

opengl c# opentk

Shroeder

not condusive to program in

Lasse

why :(

Icy Defiance

was just looking at that question

can that be flagged as a "how to get started" question?

Lasse

yes, it must be

Icy Defiance

14:24

> Questions about "how to get started," "what to learn next," or "which technology to use" are discussion-oriented questions which involve answers that are either based on opinion, or which are all equally valid.

Shroeder

You guys big on unity development?

Icy Defiance

doesn't seem to apply exactly :/

Lasse

what do you mean big?

SpartanDonut

@Shroeder There are a handful of us here who are fond of it

Lasse

I use unity professionally, if that's what you mean

but I'm not fond of it

Shroeder

14:25

I would say that's what i mean

SpartanDonut

Oh ya and a handful of us who are bitter about it

Shroeder

Hah

Joe

as a very entry level hobbyist i love it so

dont listen to these naysayers

if your goal is to write an engine, dont use unity

if you just want to make a game

SpartanDonut

lol

Joe

i think its nice.. until it starts acting up on me... then you gotta slap it around a bit

Icy Defiance

14:27

I've tried to use unity a couple times, and it's very useful, but also has a lot of annoyances to work around all the time. I'm sure once you get used to the program many of those annoyances will disappear.

Shroeder

I enjoy coding and learning, but I also enjoy making progress on a game... I just wanted to see what those who use Unity think of it.

SpartanDonut

If you enjoy coding gameplay then Unity is fine and dandy

Icy Defiance

if I was actually making a game instead of an engine I'd use either Unity or UE4. probably UE4.

SpartanDonut

UE4 is a bear to learn

Good luck

Let me know how it goes

Shroeder

I currently have no Idea how to implement Unity, I opened it up once and imported some graphics stuff, had no idea wth i was doing

Joe

14:28

@SpartanDonut ^ thats on my list next

Icy Defiance

unity has a bunch of tutorials on its website

SpartanDonut

@Noctrine have you done any programming in UE4 yet or still blueprinting everything?

Icy Defiance

they're video tutorials though :/

Almo

I must admit I found a useful video tutorial

Joe

buy a book watch some lynda... talk to byte56 he did a lynda course on unity, i found it very helpful

Shroeder

14:29

Is there anything wrong with just creating an engine from scratch? even if its probably redundant and already exists?

Almo

I couldn't find anybody who had done a text tutorial of exactly what I needed, but there was a 5-minute vid one

Lasse

depends on reasons why you create it from scratch

Icy Defiance

wrong? no. seems like a waste of a lot of time though.

Almo

@Shroeder you will never finish your game

that's what's wrong with it

Icy Defiance

definitely depends on reasons

Almo

14:30

unless you're some kind of mad genius who can make engines

Shroeder

I started with the intention to never finish though, I find it fun to create. I have no plan of actually releasing

Almo

I have trouble finishing projects with premade engines.

Lasse

@Almo Is that a compliment? >:D

Shroeder

I just want to make a game I enjoy playing, then play it and try to give it to some friends

Almo

@Lasse if you don't intend to finish, then just do whatever the hell you want, and there's no need to ask us what we think:)

SpartanDonut

14:31

Did Josh get a new domain?

Shroeder

Good point Almo

SpartanDonut

Was going to link his famous blog post

Icy Defiance

I'm speaking as a guy who has spent most of the last year making my own engine: There's literally no reason to make your own engine, except for the fun of design and low-level optimization.

Almo

@Shroeder But you will probably not finish a game if you are making an engine.

Icy Defiance

if you want to finish a game, don't make an engine

Lasse

14:31

afk, getting a bus to home

Almo

You have to make up your mind if you don't care if your game is ever finished. It doesn't matter if you want to publish it or not. But if you're making an engine, it is very unlikely you'll ever finish your game

Shroeder

Just curious, what level of game development do you guys participate in?

SpartanDonut

@JoshPetrie does your write games not engines post not have a home anymore?

@Shroeder I'm a hobbyist

Almo

@Shroeder don't understand the question

Shroeder

I am basically a hobbyist, Have some in here actually released games?

Roy T.

14:34

@Schroeder, I worked on the Tomb Raider reboot, and on R.E.I.S.

Shroeder

Interesting

Roy T.

(... as intern)

Shroeder

I see people post Images of their games, and I think : "man that is a game I would play". Just wondering where I stack up vs those games, and would like to play them to test the logic:P

Joe

@Shroeder people in this room range from hobbiests (like myself), indies who've published and sold, there's a handful who work 9-5 the industry / i think there's even been a few on triple A titles

Icy Defiance

I've released a solitaire and minesweeper game made with my own engine. :D Nothing famous though.

I work for a tech consultant, not in the games industry, so I guess I'd be called a hobbyist

Shroeder

14:37

If you were to release a game that wasn't "famous" as you say, in fact, far from it. Would you stand to gain a reasonable amount of money?

Joe

@Shroeder if your interested in unity you should talk to @Chris hes working on a unity2d project "tallowmere" and he like many others here help me get a leg up

Icy Defiance

Chris can probably help with the publishing and profit aspect of things too

Almo

I don't recommend getting into game dev with the idea of making a ton of money.

Shroeder

Never talked to "Chris"

Almo

some can support themselves with it

but it's difficult

Joe

14:39

^

Shroeder

I have no intention of making a dime, just wondering if it is viable as a hobbyist to have a goal financially or not

Roy T.

My real work is writing software to help elderly people recover from a stroke trough gamified fitness applications. (Using Kinects and stuff)

SpartanDonut

awesome

Icy Defiance

well shit now I'm jealous

Shroeder

Indeed that sounds sweet

user92578

14:40

@RoyT. What can't a software do nowadays?

Icy Defiance

@Tyyppi_77 feel

love

Shroeder

:P

Icy Defiance

it can totally make love. just can't feel love.

Roy T.

@Shroeder for 95% its not viable to have financial goals for a hobby, programming or otherwise

@IcyDefiance I just started, so I hope its really going to be as sweet as it sounds :)

Shroeder

Do most of you make your game's code public while in development?

So that others may learn from it?

user92578

14:41

Well mine is

Icy Defiance

I do, but if I wanted to sell the game then I wouldn't

user92578

Just for keeping a public backup

Icy Defiance

don't think anyone's learned much from my code though, lol

user92578

+ I like to look at other people's codes, so I want people to be able to see mine

Shroeder

I'm with you @Tyyppi_77

Joe

14:43

@IcyDefiance there are quite a few companies who github there software and still sell it

Roy T.

@Shroeder I only share interesting things I come across (at roy-t.nl ) I think its hard to learn from code without some context, so just putting it up doesn't seem very useful :)

Almo

@Shroeder I don't.

Shroeder

Yes without context I wouldn't be learning much in someone else's code

user4704

@SpartanDonut I noticed it got rendered inaccessible this weekend. It's on my list to fix.

user4704

archive.org probably has it for now

Icy Defiance

14:44

@Joe right, but that adds complications that I wouldn't want to deal with, at least until after the game was complete. then I might do something like UE4 where you can see the code after you pay.

SpartanDonut

@JoshPetrie Good call. Thanks

Icy Defiance

not that it would prevent people from sharing the code

user4704

@Shroeder I don't in general, but I do publish some of the code I write.

Shroeder

Publish?

user4704

"Make available for others to use under certain license terms."

user4704

14:45

For example, slimdx.org and github.com/jpetrie et cetera

Shroeder

I gather you don't fall in the "Hobbyist" category though

SpartanDonut

@Shroeder good read by Josh here - web.archive.org/web/20140811041509/http://scientificninja.com/…

Roy T.

Why is that Frame Tapped 3 Indigogo campaing starred here. Why are 80% of their cost 2 VS Pro licenses, why do they even need VS pro? Why do they not allot any money to the actual programming... Why!? :P

user4704

Well, just because I work in the industry does not mean I don't write code as a hobby.

user92578

@RoyT. It's someones here project, I think

Icy Defiance

14:46

yes it is

Roy T.

Tom Piddock? In tha house? :P

user92578

What was his nick here again?

Icy Defiance

Blue...I think?

user92578

Ah, makes sense :)

Icy Defiance

yep, he has it in his profile: gamedev.stackexchange.com/users/26969/blue

SpartanDonut

14:48

Yeah that's a project of @Blue

Shroeder

Nice

So has it ever come to pass where people will help work on eachother's projects here?

user4704

I think so.

Shroeder

I feel a certain level of trust would have to be established...

user4704

I've heard people talking about problems in a way that suggested it at least.

Shroeder

Interesting

SpartanDonut

14:50

@Shroeder In the last 3 years the projects never make it too far past conception but its certainly possible if you get a group of properly motivated individuals with enough time to commit

user92578

Wasn't/Isn't MT a group-project?

Shroeder

MT?

Icy Defiance

was. not much progress on it lately.

user92578

Malware Tycoon

Almo

I know at least a couple people here have worked on each other's projects.

SpartanDonut

14:51

Pip has gone solo is my understanding

Icy Defiance

oh okay, is that why he's learning unity stuff?

user92578

I think so

Shroeder

So you seem to have knowledge of eachother's projects atleast?

SpartanDonut

I'll just link this again - meta.gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/1576/…

user92578

I should probably make a post there

Shroeder

14:52

Ok that game, I would support for sure

user92578

@Shroeder Absolutely, we talk a lot about our projects here

Shroeder

Why all work on seperate projects, wouldn't it be logical to pool efforts?

user92578

Not everyone has the same tools of choice, or the same goals

Icy Defiance

because working with other people is really hard. also because we have different things we want to do.

user92578

The skills also vary a lot

user4704

14:54

More people does not equal more productivity or effectiveness.

SpartanDonut

And time zones, and schedules, etc.

user4704

You should read The Mythical Man-Month.

Shroeder

@JoshPetrie Indeed, I have a few interns currently testing my patience

user92578

@JoshPetrie You just randomly pop here and say something like this! :D

Almo

@Shroeder ln-dev.maniac-games.com that's my prototype. it's functioning, just working on the iPhone interface to it now since I don't want it to be a web game

user4704

14:55

@Tyyppi_77 How is that random?

user92578

ikd

user92578

Book Suggestions?

Lasse

you should read books

user92578

I used to read a lot

user92578

Then I found out there were computers

Shroeder

14:56

I'll bookmark it so I can look at it when I get home @Almo

Icy Defiance

I just deleted a tab control along with the controls inside it, but didn't mean to do that so I hit undo, and everything came back except for the labels... so strange...

Almo

@Shroeder it's not much to see; just some text. it's a strange social numbers game.

Shroeder

My game development has been cutting into most of my free-time, It is hard to spend time doing something else, because all I can think is : "I could be making progress on my game right now"

SpartanDonut

@IcyDefiance undo again? Sometimes multiple step processes are automated for you

user92578

BTW @Almo this is bothering me a bit:

user92578

14:57

Shroeder

@Almo Don't sell yourself short man

SpartanDonut

@Shroeder as long as you enjoy it I don't see this as a problem

Icy Defiance

@SpartanDonut nope, that just starts resizing other controls that I changed earlier

user92578

Oh

Almo

@Tyyppi_77 It's a prototype man.

SpartanDonut

14:58

@IcyDefiance I tried

Almo

Ordinarily, I fix shit like that

but I'm CDO about these things, and if I let myself go, I'd still be messing with the prototype and would never have started on the iPhone client :)

Icy Defiance

SpartanDonut

:D

Icy Defiance

that image is so useful for being an asshole to people

I love it

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