Game Development

Lasse

00:02

wtf, when I am running the profiler, it's smooth and with better FPS than what I had before

makesnosense

Vaughan Hilts

It's a conspiracy!

Icy Defiance

try running the exe on its own, not through the IDE

I notice the same in Visual Studio. it's because of its logging or something like that.

it's especially bad if you have exceptions being thrown or you're handling a lot of strings.

Lasse

I had like 2 fps before, now it's running smooth

Vaughan Hilts

My package manager is frozen >_<

Icy Defiance

@VaughanHilts huh, I get 1118 results, while the unanswered questions tab gives 1090. I wonder what else I'm missing... here's the link anyway: data.stackexchange.com/gamedev/query/182739/…

took way too long to write that little bit of code. I had to figure out how their tables worked first.

Vaughan Hilts

00:08

Nice work. I'll see if I can figure out the exact criteria.

Alex M.

I'm not sure about the font and stuff

and the background

Icy Defiance

ooh, I do have ideas to make that look real good, but I'm not sure I have the skill to pull them off

Alex M.

I changed the lines a bit to say "We have questions!"

and "Can you answer them?"

near the "0 answers" icon

to kinda suggest nobody answered them yet

and the way is clear

I'll upload the file in a bit

dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17635452/ad.xcf

there it is

it's a gimp xcf

is xcf openable in photoshop too?

if so, maybe more people could contribute to it

Vaughan Hilts

It's not.

Alex M.

dang :(

looks like you're on your own @IcyDefiance :D

at least I gave you a reason to postpone your homework some more

Icy Defiance

00:14

lol

hmm, there are 5 questions with no answers where the owner's user id is null, like this one: gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/55938/…

are these banned users?

deleted accounts maybe? maybe both?

Vaughan Hilts

Deleted, probably.

Icy Defiance

that shouldn't be the problem with the query. just interesting.

oh right, gotta cut out questions with a score < 0. data.stackexchange.com/gamedev/query/182739/…

still 13 extra, but I have no idea where they're coming from. I give up.

Vaughan Hilts

@IcyDefiance You've got it pretty close dude :)

Lasse

regexr.com/38mq9

This might be some use for someone

Alex M.

facebook.com/…

haha this was funny

user4704

00:37

@IcyDefiance Or disassociated.

Icy Defiance

oh? under what circumstances would that happen?

user4704

A moderator anonymizes a post.

Icy Defiance

lol well I figured that much. but no matter.

Alex M.

@JoshPetrie this feature smells of NSA

Icy Defiance

it would be the opposite of NSA, wouldn't it?

Alex M.

00:42

not unless the NSA posts stuff!

Icy Defiance

no the NSA doesn't want people to be anonymous. if they had a say in things the site would require a real name.

glances sideways at Google+

Alex M.

if putin decides to start a war

nobody will care

because everyone will be busy talking about the heartfuck bug

#perfectplan

Lasse

$ mprof-report output.mlpd | sed -r -n 's/^\s*(\d+)\s+(\d+)\s+(\d+)\s(.+)/\1,\2,\3,\4/p'

does not output anything, what am I doing wrong? :(

I want it only to output the modified lines

Vaughan Hilts

@Leathe Not a reg-ex guru, sorry. :(

Lasse

it's not about regex, it's about sed

and i'm not leathe ;)

Vaughan Hilts

00:56

DOH.

lol

I thought Sed used Regex?

Lasse

I know the regex works

oh, well, I'm not sure if it works with sed

Vaughan Hilts

Well, what does mprof-report do?

Lasse

damn

it's the data I want to regex

pipes it to sed

Vaughan Hilts

It prints the data line by line to stdin?

Lasse

yes

Vaughan Hilts

00:57

Which is what you're piping in?

Lasse

yep

Vaughan Hilts

Tried sedsed ?

Lasse

whats that

Vaughan Hilts

Debugger for sed

Lasse

oh, cool

Icy Defiance

01:02

@VaughanHilts okay here's the query for questions with no upvoted answers. again, just a few extra, but it's close again. data.stackexchange.com/gamedev/query/182741/…

also it doesn't look like either of these queries include questions migrated here from other sites

which...if it does include questions migrated away from this site, that would explain things

not sure how to fix that

Vaughan Hilts

@IcyDefiance That'll be more than close enough. We just need it close enough to prevent honour system breaking down.

Basically, we just need to know what was unanswered before we started.

Icy Defiance

fair enough

Lasse

ah got it to work, it didn't understand \s as whitespace and \S as not whitespace

Icy Defiance

wouldn't it be easier to make queries to get the answers of specific users, though, along with the times they were made?

Vaughan Hilts

Thanks jon.doe13528 :D

Icy Defiance

01:04

limit it to questions that had no other upvoted answers posted before the time the contest started...

yeeee I got this

Vaughan Hilts

@IcyDefiance Yes, you're quite right... :)

Lasse

hahaa, got the profiler data to excel

Vaughan Hilts

Does mprof not give a good view of it?

Lasse

I want to calculate something

and I'm not calculating it by hand for all of those lines

Lasse

01:18

meh I can't make heads or tails out of this

public Block this[int x, int y, int z]
{
	get {

		if(solid)
		{
			return solidContent;
		}

		if (depth > 0) {
			int subx, suby, subz;

			GetSubCoordinates (ref x, ref y, ref z, out subx, out suby, out subz);

			return Children [subx, suby, subz][x,y,z];
		}

		return Blocks[x,y,z];
	}
}

most of the time goes in there

but it shows it that way because it's sort of recursive

those Children are objects that has that getter

I guess there's so much overhead using that

I wonder how I could do that without such overhead, I know it's possible in C++

user4704

01:33

What overhead?

Lasse

I'm not exactly sure

I had the engine running at about 20fps when I read the 3d array thru many times in a frame, but now when I use this octree approach, it runs only 2fps and most of the time goes to that function according to the mono profiler

I changed it already anyway

Method call summary
Total(ms) Self(ms)      Calls Method name
   35316     9262   32325440 Core.Worlds.BlockTreeNode:HasBlock (int,int,int)

does that mean that all the power goes in that function, or does it just mean that it gets called a lot and that's the total time it runs

there are functions that gets called a lot less, but take lots of time

   16825        3          4 CraftPlatform.Game:OnRenderFrame (OpenTK.FrameEventArgs)
   16797      834         40 Core.Worlds.Chunk:GetIndices (uint&)
   15936     1468    9159920 Core.Worlds.Chunk:HasBlock (int,int,int)

these for example

user4704

01:59

Total is probably time spent in the method + children.

user4704

Self is just in the method.

user4704

Calls is the call count

Lasse

It makes it hard to read because it counts in the time when it does the same function call to the child nodes

So I guess the Chunk:HasBlock is the actual time spent on the single chunk, and then the self(ms) on the BlockTreeNode:HasBlock is the actual time it takes to check single block in the chunk

because there is only one node in the chunk, and it has all the children

I guess it's called the root node

Alex M.

02:29

the divinity series always had a generic sense of humor

but it's pleasant while playing

Icy Defiance

@VaughanHilts okay my brain is completely shot, and I can't find a very good test case, but I think this should work. if not, it's close anyway. data.stackexchange.com/gamedev/query/182742/…

that's all I got for tonight.

Icy Defiance

02:41

oh wait, no, forgot to ensure the question was asked before the contest start

tears out hair

I hate SQL

Vaughan Hilts

@IcyDefiance I don't think it should matter if it was before it started, I guess.

We're encouraging good answers, either way.

Icy Defiance

right...

Vaughan Hilts

Well, hm.

Maybe this should more well defined first >_______>

Icy Defiance

how about this, all other answers must be made after the one in question, or they must have a score less than the one in question

dang it, yeah, I was approaching the entire thing wrong and it doesn't work at all

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@AlexM. Like the skeletons that question their existence and then falls apart? :P

Alex M.

02:56

yes

there was also an even neater event like that in beyond divinity

but I forgot about it :(

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Have you seen the next game?

It has multiplayer :P It's going to be awesome

Alex M.

I showed you the next game

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

... I knew that...

I was testing you...

You passed...

Good for you...

Alex M.

lol :D

yeah the new game seems neat

Pladnius Brooks

03:57

hey guys. have a quick question if anyone is around

Alex M.

shoot

Pladnius Brooks

i am trying to implement an easeinoutsine function. check this thread here

1

Q: C++ - Trouble understanding easeInOutSine

I am trying to understand this easing formula: float easeInOutSine(float t, float b, float c, float d) { return -c/2 * (cos(M_PI*t/d) - 1) + b; }; Here are what the variables equal: t: current time b: start value c: change in value d: duration I am trying to apply this to a sprite transf...

i can't figure out how those values relate to what I have

the first value is time

i'm not sure time of what

@AlexM. you still around?

Alex M.

have patience

Pladnius Brooks

sorry

Alex M.

t is most likely the time since you started applying the easing function

no idea, never did stuff like this, always used libs

Pladnius Brooks

04:06

do you know of any C++ easing lib

Alex M.

well you sure got the function right so I'd recommend experimenting with the time first

libclaw.sourceforge.net/tweeners.html

also you got answers

Pladnius Brooks

okay. thanks! I appreciate it

rofl, i got an answer just now

jackopen

04:27

which is the best android tiny/simple interface(without much graphics) brain/puzzle game?

maths/physics/other general conecepts realted

Pladnius Brooks

what language

jackopen

for play

not for developing

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

How can you even answer that?

I like one type of games, @PladniusBrooks likes another, @AlexM. likes a third.

If you're looking for popular, just sort the appstore by popularity.

jackopen

sorry which are good instead of the best

share your opinion

i ll choose myself

@William'MindWorX'Mariager

Pladnius Brooks

what language are you programming with jackopen

wait,...what

i'm confused

jackopen

04:32

only for playing

sorry not for programming

@PladniusBrooks

Pladnius Brooks

i'm not sure. sorry

jackopen

it is ok

which are good ways to starts with game developement coding for layman?

any specific language, fresher has to learn?

any books/.

?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Game Maker, RPG Maker, Warcraft III Maps, Minecraft modding, etc.

jackopen

any special software like (scratch from mit)?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Things where you don't build from scratch.

jackopen

04:37

www.yoyogames.com/‎
is it same as game maker?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Yes

jackopen

any specific book can you recommend?

@William'MindWorX'Mariager does all of them (which you said) require any (pre-requisite) knowledge of programming language(like C/basic/java/etc..)?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Game Maker and Warcraft III maps both have a "GUI" programming system, which make following and learning the logic easier.

Minecraft modding does require some more knowledge than the others.

I have no experience with RPG Maker myself

jackopen

thanks for details @William'MindWorX'Mariager

is it a good to directly jump into game development for kids ? or it is better first to learn any programmigng language ? can you suggest your opinion?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I think game development is a great way to learn programming.

You get a visual response that is much more interesting than a terminal/console window showing numbers.

jackopen

04:52

ok

jackopen

05:12

can i ask question about web browser here? (not relaated with game)

John McDonald

Web browsers?

jackopen

yeah

like opeara/doplhun etc..

will it cross chat rule for this room?

John McDonald

heh. I don't know what the question relates to, but I'd say either chat or SO

jackopen

ok

John McDonald

Why the curiosity with obscure browsers?

jackopen

05:16

Can someone help me to find general open networks to discuss web/non-web related subjects outside of IRC/stackoverflow?"

i am looking for other avialable networks where in differnt differnt subject chat is allowed via chat room/other facility

@j

@JohnMcDonald

i have a smart phone & i want to choose android web mobile browser which is very tiny (so that it will not load/make any burdan to my mobile memory much)

John McDonald

The only place I can think of is maybe a Google Group

jackopen

ok

John McDonald

@jackopen Does Chrome not meet that requirement?

I'm assuming you want the browser to be reasonably capable

jackopen

someoen suggested me uc browser, dolphin & opera mini, i am sure they may be lighter than chrome. But i wnat to choose other best one?

@JohnMcDonald

yeah you are right

John McDonald

Are you experiencing an issue with browser performance on your android?

jackopen

05:24

@JohnMcDonald no

John McDonald

mmk, so why are you looking for something smaller/faster?

jackopen

as i need space for other programs which i may install in my smartphone

John McDonald

Run some benchmarks. Should be pretty quick. Install Chrome, Firefox, Opera, and Dolphin. Run one of them, open a pre-set collection of tabs, and go to the task manager to see how much ram they are using.

Probably faster than waiting for someone else to do it

jackopen

@JohnMcDonald i am sure there must be some comparative study already dfone by people

hence googling

& it may be better than my observagtion

Mobile browser

A mobile browser, also called a microbrowser, minibrowser, or wireless internet browser (WIB), is a web browser designed for use on a mobile device such as a mobile phone or PDA. Mobile browsers are optimized so as to display Web content most effectively for small screens on portable devices. Mobile browser software must be small and efficient to accommodate the low memory capacity and low-bandwidth of wireless handheld devices. Typically they were stripped-down web browsers, but as of 2006 some mobile browsers can handle more recent technologies like CSS 2.1, JavaScript, and Ajax. Websi...

Comparison of web browsers

The following tables compare general and technical information for a number of web browsers. Please see the individual products' articles for further information. General information Basic general information about the browsers: creator, company, license, price, etc. {| class="wikitable sortable" style="font-size: 85%; text-align: center; width: auto;" |- ! style="width:12em" | Browser ! Creator ! Cost (USD) ! Software license ! Current layout engine ! Latest release version |- ! | Amaya | W3C, INRIA | | | Amaya | |- ! | AOL Explorer | America Online, Inc | | | Trident | |- !...

Category:Mobile web browsers

i found these links from wiki

how to read them for my reuqirement i dont know

John McDonald

Yeah... I somehow don't think wiki will have what you're looking for

jackopen

05:31

whether it involves my requirement i odnt know

BlueBug

05:43

@Byte56 Hey, I was told last time John had received t shirt. This time I attended Jam and was so hyped of chance to get one for myself as well. I am curious to know whether you are planning the t shirt thinging again? Giving out GDSE T shirt, I think, can add a lot of value to the Jam. It is less of material reward but IMO it can hold more fitting value for the Jam.

GDSE Jam participants, I think, do jam for sole attachment to GDSE and personal interest. I don't think any one of us expect something extravagant for "winning" the jam, but still the act of vote results in selecting "winner" and I think it is nice gesture to give something to the winner to not only promote the value of Jam but also recognize hard work for creating the game.

John McDonald

Correction: I got a shirt for the first jam, but not for the second.

Grey

XD

BlueBug

your art skill, seems to be improving.

user92578

06:04

morning

BlueBug

ning!

awww my eyes, I think I just stare into monitor too much.

My eyes, so dry, and I have this "sore" eye pain.

Noctrine

06:50

Sup

user92578

doing some random rendering with Three.js, got a very strange bug... =(

Noctrine

:| network is having connection issues

I need a question answered!! Yay for google cache

user92578

TypeError: Argument 1 of Window.requestAnimationFrame is not an object.

user92578

	// Renders the game
	this.render = function()
	{
		window.requestAnimationFrame(this.render);

		// If update returns true (the game is not pause), the scene is drawn.
		if (this.updateScene())
		{
			this.renderer.render(this.scene, this.camera);
		}
	}

user92578

I guess it has to do with the fact that the requestAnimationFrame() takes in an object's method instead of a function...

user92578

06:58

TypeError: this.updateScene is not a function

user92578

	// Updates the scene
	this.updateScene = function()
	{
		this.camera.rotation.x += 0.01;
		this.camera.rotation.y += 0.01;
		this.camera.rotation.z += 0.01;
		return true;
	}

user92578

this.updateScene = function()

user92578

WTF

user92578

Why doesn't JS like my objects

user92578

Anyone here a monogamer?

BlueBug

07:08

@Tyyppi_77 what language is that? javascript?

user92578

Yeah

BlueBug

r u doing web game?

user92578

kinda

user92578

yeah

user92578

atleast trying to

BlueBug

07:12

window.requestAnimationFrame(this.render); you are passing function. "object's method" is a "function" there is no difference.

@Tyyppi_77 what is this "window"? I am not familiar with javascript.

Noctrine

07:27

Window refers to the actual browser window in a webbrowser.

user92578

It offers the function that should limit the framerate to 60

user92578

also, I'm supposed ot pass a function in

Kevin van der Velden

07:45

Morning chat

user92578

hey there

user92578

08:51

I ended up writing a simple function that does the job:

user92578

function render()
{
	window.requestAnimationFrame(render);
	game.render();
}

var game = new Game();
render();

BlueBug

09:09

interface is such hard coding. I think UI is the least fun part of making game.

jackopen

is it possible to browse through all whatsapp groups?

or are there any alternate messaging service which allows such feature?

user92578

I find the UI part the most entertaining

BlueBug

grrr... really?

user92578

yeah

BlueBug

you like hard coding?

or I guess more so the case that you like graphical components? or working on "interaction". o_o

user92578

09:16

yeah, I find interaction really entertaining and rewarding

BlueBug

I am more into gameplay, but I guess gameplay without good UI can never be more than half finished.

user92578

blog.stephenwolfram.com/2014/02/…

Alex M.

11:17

@William'MindWorX'Mariager I like any types of games

except boring games :D

Lasse

12:13

sometimes I like the boring games too

but they usually become boring only afterwards

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@BlueBug I agree completely. I hate making UI.

I've gone to great lengths to avoid it. :P Like using Silverlight to mix XNA and WPF or use Awesomium with XNA to have HTML/JS designed UI.

user92578

13:08

What do you think about this?

user92578

I think I did a pretty good job, somethings could use some more work tho

Lasse

I like the contrast

Alex M.

yes

Lasse

I don't believe the mono profiler anymore

void GetChildCoordinates(ref int blockx, ref int blocky, ref int blockz, out int childx, out int childy, out int childz)
{
	childx = blockx >> depth;
	childy = blocky >> depth;
	childz = blockz >> depth;

	blockx -= blockSize * childx;
	blocky -= blockSize * childy;
	blockz -= blockSize * childz;
}

it says that took about 20% of the whole execution time

of course it was called a lot, but still

Alex M.

13:11

the fast forward operator is slow as hell man

despite its name

Lasse

I tested and I couldn't get it any faster with anything

BlueBug

@Tyyppi_77 noice tiles. Very smooth transition

Lasse

void GetChildCoordinates(ref int blockx, ref int blocky, ref int blockz, out int childx, out int childy, out int childz)
{
	childx = (int)(blockx * oneOverBlockSize);
	childy = (int)(blocky * oneOverBlockSize);
	childz = (int)(blockz * oneOverBlockSize);

	blockx -= blockSize * childx;
	blocky -= blockSize * childy;
	blockz -= blockSize * childz;
}

this is one version I tried out

user92578

@BlueBug What?

BlueBug

@Tyyppi_77 I like the art asset you have, I think it has nice transition from one to another; the ground tiles you have connect "smoothly", and color choice is good as well

Alex M.

13:13

@Tyyppi_77 noyce toyles mon

user92578

oh

user92578

I feel stupid now

user92578

Don't use stuff like noice=nice with me (thought now I know, so I guess that okay =))

BlueBug

lel alright.

user92578

thanks a lot guys

Lasse

13:14

lel

Alex M.

lyl

BlueBug

yly

user92578

olo

Lasse

oloja

Alex M.

8===============================================================================‌================...

user92578

13:16

@BlueBug I saw what you did there

user92578

=)

Alex M.

...==================================================8

BlueBug

hurhurhur

Alex M.

IT'S THE QUADBALL NULLHEAD COCK

Lasse

@AlexM. or just docking

Alex M.

13:17

really huge but ultimately useless

user92578

a long transportation pipeline between two factories that produce...

BlueBug

useless; can't be used in reproduction process since its too big? looks over moderators nervously

Alex M.

yes

that is totally why it can't be used in a reproduction process

THAT IS THE REAL REASON YES

user92578

^

BlueBug

very scientific education conclusion. my mom can approve this conversation.

user92578

13:19

also, dont look over moderators nervously, they can smell fear

BlueBug

xD

TorbenC

Hello, I have an idea for a project I want to work on and I want a bug tracker I can use, the project itself will be open source but I don't have a website or hosting to host a bug tracker such as redmine or many others. Does anyone know of a free solution that lets me just log in and make a bug tracker for my project?

Lasse

github has great issue tracker that can be used as bug tracker

if you want to host your own, then buggenie comes in my mind

TorbenC

I am unable to host my own. I have seen github and I am considering it for sure, just thought I'd see the alternatives before jumping on board in case there were other options that might be preferable.

Thank you :)

user92578

@TorbenC I really like the GitHub issue tracker, I can recommend it

BlueBug

13:28

github++

TorbenC

Awesome, creating one now. Thank you three for the suggestion and testimonials.

Alex M.

@TorbenC go with github or bitbucket

you can also host your repo privately on bitbucket

I hope you have a repo

TorbenC

bitbucket?

I'll look into it

Alex M.

yes it has free private repos

Lasse

yeah bitbucket is another good

Alex M.

13:31

you have to pay to get the same on github

TorbenC

Does it provide an issue tracker?

Alex M.

yes

TorbenC

Sold, thank you :)

Ah! This is absolutely perfect, exactly what I was looking for! :D

Alex M.

bullshit wita

seems appropriate

TorbenC

He he, well I'm off now. Thank you all for the support :)

user92578

13:40

Bye!

Lasse

14:08

optimizing with a proper profiler is fun!

2

I just managed to get 10% better outcome

and that function I optimized is now 66.172992808 % faster

user92578

15:13

Now I need a dungeon generation algorithm

user92578

but first a name for my game

Lasse

lol first things first

user92578

yeah

user92578

"MiniRogue"

user92578

"MiniDungeon"

user92578

15:15

"Erotic Hamster Crisis"

user92578

I think I'll go with the last one, even though my game has nothing to do with crisises

Kevin van der Velden

looks at chat... slowly switches tab

user92578

EROTIC HAMSTER CRISIS

user92578

is a new type of rogue game. Randomly generated levels and monsters will challenge you at a whole new level! Make sure to ignore the name, since it'll have nothing to do with the game. Why are you reading this? Do hamsters turn you on? Creepy.

Lasse

15:25

I don't understand why this code does what it does :(

oh, now I do

user92578

wanna show?

Lasse

no, it's shit

I think I just need to make my base cube inside out

uhh, no

wtf

user92578

15:57

f*ck we're having a dance thingy at our school =(

Lasse

lol

user92578

"Ysigaala"

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