Game Development

Alex M.

00:05

amazon.com/Hatsune-Project-Playstation-Controller-Japanese-3/dp/…

holeee foook

$149.99

Almo

:o

Alex M.

I wonder if it will also have sex with you

Lasse

00:17

mornin

Icy Defiance

o/

Almo

got any recommendations for a $500 or less monitor withj 15 ms or less input latency?

Lasse

oh youtubers get now their own humble bundles?

Icy Defiance

@Almo so...most monitors? :P

Lasse

humblebundle.com/weekly

Almo

00:21

not pixel response speed

input latency

Icy Defiance

ah right

Almo

big difference

how long from when the image goes over the cable to it being displayed

Lasse

what's the difference?

Almo

pixel response is how fast a pixel on screen changes after the monitor tells it to change

Lasse

I think that's up to the gpu

Almo

00:22

input latency is how long it takes the monitor to put the image up after getting it

nope

Icy Defiance

gpu just sends a stream to the monitor

Almo

for example, our sony tv takes 70 ms to display the image

the pixels change fast, but the driver inside the tv takes forever to process the data and put the image up

my current dell monitor is 10 ms

which is great for 60FPS gaming

but its HDMI port is busted

so I can't connect my new mac

Icy Defiance

huh, newegg doesn't have a filter for that

odd

Almo

i'll try to fix the port over the weekend

even if you write to tv manufacturers, their customer service reps don't know what input latency is

the only real way to get data on it is to check the video phreak sites of guys who test these things

Icy Defiance

well yeah, it's not a buzzword. they weren't given any speeches about it.

Almo

00:25

found one sony while hunting the stores that was 250 ms

a whole generation of gamers brought up on HDTVs have no idea what real twitch gaming is

since it's not possible on those tvs

MickLH

^

Almo

tried playing a pinball game on my sony

was fucking horrible.

anyway, enough about that

will talk to you guys later :)

MickLH

peace

that twitch-free generation is some serious shit

Alex M.

Response Time:
5 ms (typical)

apparently this is my monitor's rt

I have an old dell.com/ed/business/p/dell-se198wfp/pd

MickLH

5ms is the threshold that I'll settle for

but I prefer 2ms

Almo

00:28

response time is pixel response, not input latency

MickLH

yeah that's the hard part

the huge stack of shit between your ram and your pixels

Lasse

I havent seen any monitors even tell the latency how long it takes to process the image

MickLH

Although above 5ms pixel time just looks nasty to me, the ghosting man the ghosting!

Alex M.

Eizo Gaming FORIS FG2421 <-- this one has 1ms rt

interesting comparison on their website

Lasse

so does this: asus.com/Monitors_Projectors/VG248QE

Alex M.

00:38

206

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so many goddamn icons ugh

Lasse

I don't think I'm going to get a new monitor before the nvidia's sync thignie gets on shelves

Alex M.

man I love how everything about this heartbleed bug

including the official site

has this awesome sleek design

with a logo

it's like the iBug

Ali.S

Lasse

techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/monitors-and-projectors/monitors/…

pictures of pictures on other monitors

I hate that

"look how cool it is, here, a picture!"

and then it's stamp sized image showed on everyone's crap monitor

Icy Defiance

still better than the desktop backgrounds of most people

ClassicThunder

00:57

my roommate ate all my chicken and ground beef >:/

Lasse

The solution

MickLH

Just make sure you use a good quality bag so it's not contaminated when you fish it out of the trash

ClassicThunder

not to mention neither chicken nor beef look like that when they go bad

Lasse

you have to be imaginitive

Alex M.

@Lasse if you put that near me

I'd throw it away

anything expired is thrown away

Lasse

01:04

That's why you need to use good quality bag

Alex M.

anything I'm not sure when will expire is thrown away

anything that looks like it will expire sooner than I'll ever feel like eating is thrown away to make room for what I want to eat

yes I do make a lot of hobos and cats happy

thank you, I am a role model

there was this news about rats getting huge in the UK due to them eating fast food from trash bins

so I guess what I'm doing makes sense

if the rats become huge

we must also make the cats become huge

MickLH

Hey way a minute we already have huge cats

We call them "a problem"

Huge rats too

Alex M.

so.fucking.ugly.

Lasse

I thought at first that it was a cat

Alex M.

Giant rat: Massive rodent dubbed 'Ratzilla' terrorises family after gnawing way into the kitchen through CEMENT

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/giant-rat-massive-rodent-dubbed-3289846#ixzz2yXH6km00
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fun fact: rats' teeth never stop growing

so if they ever stop gnawing, their teeth will pierce their skulls

MickLH

01:10

fuck it just kill them off and patch the food chain with chemistry

mosquitoes too

Alex M.

fucking rats are ugly

should be killed even if only to make sure if aliens visit us they won't see their ugly asses

Lasse

mosquitoes spread aids

Alex M.

mosquitoes are fucking ugly

MickLH

seriously we need to clean up this planet already

we've got the technology we can stop fucking around with animal ways and just switch to alien ways now

Alex M.

Eunice, Bolton Lancs, 1 year ago
Okay, so maybe it gave somebody a (brief) fright but why kill it? If it was female and pregnant then it was probably only looking for a place to give birth to its babies and doing no harm to no-one, so why kill it? Live and let live! I hope this big brave man is proud of himself!!

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133818/Giant-rat-killed-pensioner-Brian-Watson-lump-wood-farm.html#ixzz2yXHg22Ln
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YOU SEE THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T LET WOMEN LEAD THINGS

Lasse

01:11

@MickLH It doesn't work, look at chernobyl area, the nature is flourishing there

MickLH

Pfft nuclear accidents are so animal

Alex M.

fucking shitheads like that one piss me off

rats should be exterminated like any other source of disease

then again what am I talking about here

idiots nowadays are still not comfortable with the idea that everything we eat we killed at some point

MickLH

That's fine just kill them to show them it's really ok

Lasse

I wonder how they sleep at night knowing that all those poor animals are killed while they sleep

Alex M.

well you see they can sleep just fine because this:

►

there are some stupid comments on that video too

"SO CARING TODAY MEANS GIVING MONEY?"

yes you stupid bitch

as someone poor, I'd rather have money than your bullshit sentiments

I'm off to sleep

if I continue to see this crap I'll probably kill someone on my way to work tomorrow

MickLH

01:20

lol

Icy Defiance

nooo she wouldn't want to give sentiments either

just prayers

Alex M.

and likes

g'nite

Icy Defiance

yeah but 1 like = 1 prayer, so...

lol see ya

MickLH

It seemed like I had a viable strategy for integrating this god damn function

Lasse

rebuilding monodevelop is like chirstmas, what bugs do I get this time?

from git master obviously

MickLH

01:24

but then ... + x^999 * c[999] + x^1000 * c[1000] + ... happened

oh well, gotta get the canned air, cpu's getting toasty

Lasse

Once I get a new computer and this one becomes not important, I want to try to fry eggs on this

and of course building monodevelop fails

Icy Defiance

dang it, making my own file system is irritating. in a fun way, but still. every awesome idea I come up with just ends up being a bitch to implement.

only have 2 weeks. must. restrict. scope. :'(

or I could just play minecraft

Lasse

that too

MickLH

damn it was fucking time for that dusting

idle temps are down about 6C

Lasse

I need to buy some canned air

it's just that I don't live near any shop that sells such things, and I'm not sure if I want to order some online

it takes forever

oh well, this one online shop offers 3 hour delivery times

still damn forever

also the deliver would cost two times as much as the canned air bottle

oh, they don't even deliver to my area

why do I have to live in middle of nowhere

Icy Defiance

01:39

wait, 3 hour, not 3 day?

Lasse

yeah

Icy Defiance

best the US has is usually overnight, and that's damn expensive most of the time. pizza places are about the only things to deliver on the same day.

given, the US is massive

still jealous anyway

LeSam

hi

Lasse

but they deliver only around helsinki :(

Icy Defiance

o/

Lasse

01:40

hi

they have stores all over the country but they still can't deliver

but the delivery price for that is actually really cheap

it's 10 euros for max 50kg, or 20 euros for max 400kg

the normal means usually cost about 6-15 euros and take at least two days

and that is for really small packages

Lasse

01:56

crap

even fresh clone from git of monodevelop won't build

:(

had to build with stable profile

ClassicThunder

02:08

Ugg I'm using monogame for my current project. Hate it but don't feel like learning a new tech. Rather focus on actually getting things running.

But I've never found mono anything to be particularly nice to use.

Lasse

mono is great

I don't see how it differs from .net developing

also XNA is almost 1:1 to monogame, so what's the hate?

ClassicThunder

"XNA is almost 1:1 to monogame" Only if you use the most basic features of XNA. Window resizing behavior changes between OSs, the Stencil Buffer changes behavior between OSs, updating the window during resizes breaks on Linux. Not to mention utilizing the technologies behind the library is very hard due to the creation of the graphics device and state management code being very convoluted and the libs them selves not being exposed in any way.

Icy Defiance

resizing the window and things related to that are outside the scope of XNA

dunno about the stencil buffer

there are some glitches and annoyances with monogame, but it's not a design problem. it just doesn't have all the kinks ironed out yet.

ClassicThunder

02:24

It most definitely is not out side of the scope of XNA. The screen pausing and the backbuffer's size being updates is handled by XNA.

Icy Defiance

to change the window size in an XNA project, you have to get the window form's handle and use that, which XNA merely provides a reference to.

ClassicThunder

XNA listens to the on resize even and handles things for you.

Icy Defiance

also I don't remember XNA windows being resizable in the first place, unless you change that with the same window form handle

ClassicThunder

Monogame does to but handles it inconsistently across OSs.

Icy Defiance

but I could be wrong about that

ClassicThunder

02:26

You can easily make it so you can resize the window dynamically without any pause.

Something I was unable to get monogame to do.

Icy Defiance

yeah in XNA, to even allow the user to resize the window at all, you need this code:

ClassicThunder

Not to mention I prefer window driven event handling over polling and managing to hook into the OpenTK window was an incredible pain and monogame simply returned null for the handler.

Icy Defiance

this.Window.AllowUserResizing = true;
this.Window.ClientSizeChanged += new EventHandler<EventArgs>(Window_ClientSizeChanged);

Window is a GameWindow...

hmm...

wait wtf.

this is odd

Lasse

I said almost

ClassicThunder

Well I've run into the *almost enough times to dislike it.

Icy Defiance

02:31

okay GameWindow is an XNA class that contains a system window. doesn't inherit anything. so yeah, user resizing is within XNA's scope. just barely, but it is.

Lasse

I ditched xna/monogame because it wasn't flexible enough for me

I'm using OpenTK instead

Icy Defiance

I do agree with the basic point anyway, that monogame has plenty of annoyances

just being forced to use XNA to compile content drives me away for now

BlueBug

03:03

woo damn it. I forgot to buy more mountain dew. I have no more mountain dew left. I can't program without drink; my productivity drops to crawl. This is going to be tough night today.

Icy Defiance

I know that feel

at least my parents usually have a buffer of pop to steal if I forget to buy some

I drink way too much though so they don't like it XD

BlueBug

mine, same. xD my parents believe that carb in soda melts my bone.

*carbon dioxide themselves don't melt bone. Caffeine, however, can cause lessened bone density(so I read) but I drink mountain dew, no caffeine.

Icy Defiance

caffeine's not even the big problem. it's a bit addictive, but not that horrible for you. the problem is the sugar. or at least so I'm told.

I drink pepsi, so that's probably valid XD

Lasse

holy crap

I got polygons on screen, god damn finally

Icy Defiance

\o/

BlueBug

03:13

oh yeah sugar. Yeap, soda very high sugar. I stopped drinking real soda. Now I drink those zero calorie ones. They don't taste as good as the real ones but I think it's fair

@Lasse you go girl!

Lasse

all I needed to do was to rewrite the damn thing completly

now I need to figure out what the hell I did differently

and now it crashes again :|

oh, it crashed in a weird place this time

damn multithreading, need to learn to use it properly

John McDonald

yeah, it's easy to get wrong

What's the issue?

Lasse

it just crashed in some part of the code I've not tested yet

I need to figure it out

basically I started a background thread that is supposed to create a pool of chunks for me, and the main thread should wait for at least one chunk to be available before continuing, and it is not locking the pool object yet and I guess that was what crashed it

John McDonald

Ah, probably

C#?

Lasse

yeah

John McDonald

03:24

Thread safe collections could be worth a glance: msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd997305%28v=vs.110%29.aspx

Icy Defiance

bookmarks

disappears again

Lasse

Oh, I forgot about the concurrentStack and friends

I just wonder what additional stuff it does if it is used, instead of doing this:

lock (pool) {
	chunk = pool.Pop ();
}

John McDonald

Yeah, donno

Lasse

public static Chunk Get()
{
	if(pool.Count == 0)
	{
		ManualResetEvent mre = new ManualResetEvent (false);
		ThreadPool.QueueUserWorkItem (Reserve, mre);
		mre.WaitOne ();
		//Reserve (null); // Do it foreground
	}

	Chunk chunk;

	lock (pool) {
		chunk = pool.Pop ();
	}

	lock (used) {
		used.Add (chunk);
	}

	return chunk;
}

John McDonald

Maybe it does finer grained locking, so it only locks around the important bits, or maybe they've benchmarked stuff, or... you could use it because it's easy and you don't have to think, :p

Lasse

03:28

That's the untested code I'm using to get chunks

John McDonald

Without knowing all the details, you may also want to lock around "pool.Count == 0"

Lasse

Yeah I thought about that

John McDonald

It's a possible race condition

Lasse

public static Chunk Get()
{
	bool needReserving = false;

	lock(pool) {
		if(pool.Count == 0)
		{
			needReserving = true;
		}
	}

	if(needReserving)
	{
		ManualResetEvent mre = new ManualResetEvent (false);
		ThreadPool.QueueUserWorkItem (Reserve, mre);
		mre.WaitOne ();
		//Reserve (null); // Do it foreground
	}

	Chunk chunk;

	lock (pool) {
		chunk = pool.Pop ();
	}

	lock (used) {
		used.Add (chunk);
	}

	return chunk;
}

changed it to this

I wonder how much overhead the lock() has

also I'm not sure if this thing needs to be threaded anyway, since it seems to be fairly fast even though it's reserving 100 pieces of 32*32*32*4 bytes

John McDonald

So, in english, you are checking if there are any ____ in the pool, if so, reserving one by adding some work to a thread pool. Then popping something out of the pool (which may be nothing), then tossing the popped chunk into a different collection

Lasse

03:36

yeah basically that

John McDonald

yeah, the efficiency of multithreading is heavily based on the task

GnomeSlice

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Lasse

I just assume the pop will return something, since I am putting stuff in there in the other thread

GnomeSlice

Interesting graphics.

Blurgh, 300 mb download

John McDonald

@Lasse I don't know if the new thread you make there is guaranteed to start up and do stuff before your lock

Lasse

03:38

I wait for it to finish the first loop of the for loop in there with the ManualResetEvent

mre.WaitOne ();

that blocks the thread until the other thread says it can continue

or is supposed to

it's all new for me, so not sure :D

John McDonald

Looks like it. Just read the doc

@GnomeSlice Should I know about these devs?

GnomeSlice

@JohnMcDonald Beats me, I didn't until just now.

John McDonald

Ok

GnomeSlice

Game looks interesting though... 300 mb download, blurgh

I like how they did the graphics

John McDonald

Yeah, pretty neat

:) I am porting For Sparta! to Android

So far, so good:

Lasse

03:56

nice :)

John McDonald

Sad thing is that it's taking nearly as long to port it as it did to write

Grey

04:18

Does anyone know a countour tracing algorithm that traces "holes" in the pattern as well?

John McDonald

Some paint apps will do that, but you need an algo, eh?

Grey

Yep

imageprocessingplace.com/downloads_V3/root_downloads/tutorials/…

Already looking at this. It's for a geometry based glow solution for Unity Free that I'm making.

John McDonald

I would create 2 algorithms. One that looks for perimeters to walk around, and a second one to do the tracing

Grey

Contour Line Tracing algorithms do that in one algorithm tho.

However the ones listed in that specific example don't trace the holes v_v I'm not even sure if I understand it correctly. It isn't exactly written in a straightforward matter imo

All of em' seem to be pretty inaccurate at times, but I think it should be okay for my purposes.

Lasse

04:42

voxels \o/

Grey

coolbeans

Lasse

it's drawing only the visible faces, or faces that touch air

Icy Defiance

so many of them :O

Grey

@Lasse back face culling?

That's what it seems like to me doe

Lasse

already enabled

Grey

04:45

cool beans

Lasse

if it wasn't it would not seem any different

Grey

@Lasse because you are already doing the same thing :P

right?

Lasse

no, I'm just building a mesh from the voxels

it covers the whole chunk, back side too

it's running about 20fps on this crap

not bad for first try

oh and it's still running about 20fps when I regenerate the mesh 10 times in a frame

this is great

I was afraid it would be worse

Now that I have a screenshot, I can write about my project to the 2014 highlights

BlueBug

05:07

@Grey You are on MalWareTycoon as well right? do you guys have github repo?

if so, mind linking me? Just curious, would like to follow.

Grey

@BlueBug not github but bitbucket. and it's private XD

BlueBug

ah oki.

Grey

:<

BlueBug

: )

Grey

:>

BlueBug

05:08

:)> hrhr.

Grey

I don't even.

There goes my first animation

Nyan required.

Icy Defiance

trying to find a way to respond to that... this is the best I got

Grey

05:24

@IcyDefiance lol

Lasse

Icy Defiance

nonono, here it is: youtube.com/watch?v=iRZ2Sh5-XuM (kind of nsfw but not really)

can't get a better response than this

Grey

qwop

Lasse

0

A: Community Project Highlights 2014

CraftPlatform You have played minecraft, right? You might also have tried some mods for it. The thing is, the modding community is huge even though it's nightmare to create any mods for minecraft. The purpose of this project is to build a platform for minecraft like games and mods. The "vanill...

\o/

Grey

Jump animation with just the legs.

Who da man

Little tiny scarf

WHO DA MAN

Icy Defiance

05:29

no man, just a bird with a strange liquid head

Grey

@IcyDefiance it was a bird.

Leg Simulator

BlueBug

►

I guess abstract art is a thing now days.

Lasse

BlueBug

@Lasse Dat's hack of a sick office.

Icy Defiance

@Lasse do that with an oculus rift and I'd call it downright awesome

BlueBug

05:36

#dreamworkplace

Lasse

I wonder how the oculus motion sensor would work with that

Icy Defiance

good point

probably would need to compensate somehow

Grey

@Lasse no way

Icy Defiance

coolest thing I've learned this year: reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/22pi7o/…

Lasse

nice text

I knew already about half of that, but that really put some of the jigsaw pieces together

Icy Defiance

05:52

yeah same here

I mean I always knew time is the 4th dimension, but when he flat out said it's perpendicular to space in the same way X is from Y, that just made a whole lot of things click perfectly.

well it would be more like how Z is to both X and Y...something like that

but yeah

Lasse

yeah I know what you mean

what I didn't know was that everything moves thru spacetime with speed c, which happens to be the same speed as light travelling thru space

BlueBug

what happens if you just accelerate enough to reach speed c with mass?

Icy Defiance

you'd break the universe

it's not possible

it takes infinite energy for anything with mass to reach c through space

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