Game Development

Alex M.

21:00

what do you mean "life"

it was like, 20 hours tops

Icy Defiance

hey now, I had 4 characters at 85 before cata ended, and a 5th well on its way, and got one of them to 90 before getting too pissed off at how many dailies they wanted me to do.

and that's not even the MMO I've put the most time into

Alex M.

well I only play this char

it's fun

especially pvp battlegrounds

Icy Defiance

RuneScape, OGame, and War of Legends have all been even bigger parts of my life, as ashamed as I am of them all now

WoL in particular I led an alliance of over 170 active players (active meaning they logged in every week. if they didn't, they were kicked, because the max size was 200.)

that was NOT a fun experience

it's the primary reason I hate leading anything now

MickLH

@AlexM. I started the ash bots in RS

Icy Defiance

I hate you

Alex M.

21:04

ash bots?

MickLH

the bots that pick up ash at the GE

also the ones who do bones at the grinding sites

and the random map spawns like grapes, etc

I always made new bots to keep my mills coming in so I could have gold trim

But the gold-sellers always copied me

Shotgun Ninja

Not racist at all

Alex M.

of course not

Icy Defiance

darn everyone from other countries!

ruining all the games

Shotgun Ninja

nice edit

Almo

21:06

dialog almost done

staying a little late so it's clean for monday morning

Alex M.

I'm just saying, if we actually wanted to stop being racist, we'd just not make that much big of a deal of people being part of diff races

Shotgun Ninja

sweeeeet

Alex M.

but as you can see, we never do

and racism is always pointed at

Icy Defiance

for some reason, Facebook has recently decided it's okay to text me every freaking thing that happens there, even though I haven't even logged in for over a year.

Shotgun Ninja

No, I'm a racist motherfucker.

Icy Defiance

21:07

Facebook needs to die. Now.

Alex M.

because it's part of our human nature

you lie to yourself if you say you can't spot differences

Shotgun Ninja

@IcyDefiance You can disable that, under Options.

Alex M.

and if you say they'll never come to your mind when the other pisses you off

Icy Defiance

that would require logging in, though I guess I have to

Shotgun Ninja

@IcyDefiance Beats wasting data/texts

Alex M.

21:07

the odd one out rule always applies in times of crisis

Icy Defiance

true

I have unlimited data, but not texts

crap I don't even remember what email I used

I know it's an email address I don't have access to anymore, because I forgot the password to it years ago.

this should be fun

oh hey lucky guess. that's fixed now.

Shotgun Ninja

cool

MickLH

nice!

joapet99

Now the encrypter is done and archived in a zip file

and the decrypter is in the zip file too

Alex M.

inb4 virus

Almo

21:15

and do you need to use the decrypter to decrypt the zip?

joapet99

What?

Almo

one time, many years ago, i needed to upgrade Stuffit to unpack something

joapet99

I just store 3 files in a zip file

Almo

but the stuffit archive was zipped

so I got the unzipper

but it was stuffed

MickLH

@Almo I had that issue on Mac OS 9...

Alex M.

21:16

a program that would rename all of your files to golmer[0-9]* sounds like something that joapet would make

joapet99

@MickLH where should I upload it

Almo

might have been 8.5 or something long time ago

MickLH

@joapet99 probably the internet

joapet99

yes, but do you trust any site

MickLH

actually I had it on OSX 10.2 too

@joapet99 well if you SHA256 it I do

joapet99

21:17

what?

SHA256?

MickLH

grr

encryption what what?

sha256 mo fuka

Shotgun Ninja

it's a real ~~encryption~~ hashing algorithm.

MickLH

hashing*

joapet99

oh

ToddersLegrande

@MickLH I never had you on ignore. You are too smart of a guy to ignore completely. I appreciate the apology.

user4704

21:18

As opposed to your silly rot13 clone.

Almo

rot13 hahaha

Shotgun Ninja

@ToddersLegrande d'aww ++

Almo

it's almost recognizable when you see it

Shotgun Ninja

that's basically what it is, it's rot-13.

MickLH

@joapet99 sha256 will give a number like 658d7s65d876d5sa7s65a87s65a7s65 and if you give it to me I will be able to tell if it's really yoru zip file

no matter where it comes from

Alex M.

21:18

@ToddersLegrande wait, did mick insult you

honestly, this should be an initiation ritual all newcomers should go to

MickLH

@AlexM. stopit bro I'm trying to make up and have nice feelings now

Shotgun Ninja

sha256 is hard to replicate by changing the source file in a trivial fashion, but easy to verify with the same file.

Alex M.

you are 100% a gd.se chat member if you get insulted at least once by micklh

or me

MickLH

@ShotgunNinja sha256 is still unbroken AFAIK

Shotgun Ninja

@MickLH Hence, "hard".

joapet99

21:20

@MickLH mediafire.com/?jtbxj3wa5uez6hp

MickLH

except that 256 bits of brute force is achievable these days...

Shotgun Ninja

Not "impossible", since it hasn't been proven as such yet.

Not "possible", since we can't definitively say it is.

MickLH

well I've always had an 8192 bit RSA key

so I think I'm safe to send my new ECDSA key using it before the script kiddies get it

Shotgun Ninja

@joapet99 MediaFire? Really?

joapet99

What else?

My own site

MickLH

21:21

@joapet99 really, making me decompile a .jar

joapet99

I have 3 files

MickLH

you could have given me C#, that's so much easier to decompile

Shotgun Ninja

Seriously, get a Github.

Almo

binks.jar

Shotgun Ninja

Create a project, then push the code up onto it.

Or Bitbucket, or something.

MickLH

21:21

@joapet99 sauce plx

joapet99

I have GitHub

MickLH

*Source code please

joapet99

You should be able to figure out using the decrypter and encrypter

MickLH

@joapet99 when I google "jar decompiler"... I have to see my fucking 1 rank on SO

do you know what banned feels like?

it feels like alcohol, give me a beer

joapet99

You don't need to decompile it

MickLH

21:23

lol I want the derivative, so I do

if maxima took a jar file as input,... that would still be decompiling

joapet99

You can write things like 5 1 3 in the encrypter and then open the auto generated encrypted file with the decrypter

And don't forget spaces

MickLH

@joapet99 give me a ciphertext to break

something like "We will not attack at noon, we will attack at dawn"

joapet99

what is a ciphertext

MickLH

the encrypted text

Alex M.

joapet

user4704

21:25

Encrypted text.

Shotgun Ninja

stop making shit up.

joapet99

ok

MickLH

and make it cool and governmenty

Alex M.

why are you making cryptography related stuff?

yesterday you were making a tic tac toe clone

MickLH

@AlexM. so I can show him that math works

user4704

21:26

He thinks he's learning.

Alex M.

two days ago you were making golmers

MickLH

@AlexM. he needs to know that math really does work

even if you're drunk

joapet99

071126

Alex M.

three days ago you were ALMOST going to start to write your own physics engine

good thing we stopped you

joapet99

@AlexM. Because I got an idea at school

Alex M.

21:27

@JoshPetrie yeah but learning what

he's all over the place

@MickLH well math really does work

user4704

Nothing, he's learning terrible things and is resistant to real education.

joapet99

@MickLH is it decryptable by you

user4704

You gave him the source, so yes.

joapet99

@JoshPetrie I'm just 14

Shotgun Ninja

oh god

user4704

21:28

That doesn't excuse being stupid.

Shotgun Ninja

/r/gameDevClassifieds is hilarious

First post:

reddit.com/r/gameDevClassifieds/comments/1ovkyz/…

MickLH

@joapet99 well your app doesn't even run, so I'm having to emulate the JVM bytecode by bytecode... but so far yeah no problems

Shotgun Ninja

His name is cooolstorybro, and he ended the post with [Serious]

user4704

Seems legit.

joapet99

@MickLH What is the error?

MickLH

21:29

@joapet99 did you mean to put spaces in "071126"

joapet99

NO

Or what do you do?

Are you changing the Encryption.txt

MickLH

@joapet99 I fired up console ill make my keygen/cracker in JS

joapet99

@MickLH ohh

Are you going to try decompiling my jar?

Or are you trying to decrypt the encrypted file

user4704

I'd decompile the .jar, personally.

user4704

Seems like the most straightforward way.

user4704

21:32

Especially given what I know about your program.

joapet99

And it would work easiest to, but it wasn't the meaning

user4704

Yes it was.

user4704

You just don't understand what the meaning is.

MickLH

keep in mind I know nothing about it, I paid no attention

user4704

Cryptography is not about secrets.

MickLH

21:32

I just got the jar and you said crack it and gave me 071126 as ciphertext

joapet99

yes

but what is the error when you try to run the jar in the terminal

Shotgun Ninja

Learn english, learn programming.

MickLH

it just makes a massive window with a tiny textbox that does nothing

joapet99

You have to write things like 5 8 1 or something

don't forget spaces

between the numbers

MickLH

wait, did I have to add spaces between all your numbers

joapet99

21:34

but not in the beginning

Yes

MickLH

so 071126 was supposed to be 0 7 1 1 2 6

joapet99

facepalm no

You can't encrypt encrypted code

user4704

Yes you can.

Shotgun Ninja

This is becoming retarded.

user4704

You just wrote a shoddy algorithm.

joapet99

21:35

Ok you actually can

But it would not work very good

in my

MickLH

public String getLetter(int encryptingNumber, double number)
throws IOException
{
BufferedReader br = new BufferedReader(new FileReader("LetterCombination"));
String line = null;
while ((line = br.readLine()) != null)
{
String[] information = line.split(" ");
if ((getAnswer(encryptingNumber, number) >= Double.parseDouble(information[0])) && (getAnswer(encryptingNumber, number) < Double.parseDouble(information[0]) + 0.1D)) {
return information[1];
}
}
return null;
}
}

you realize that can only return 7 or null right?

user4704

...because you have a shoddy algebraic transform gussied up as "encryption."

joapet99

How did you?

MickLH

and it's the core of your decrypt algorithm

Alex M.

@MickLH bro

do you even fixed font

MickLH

21:37

@joapet99 I downloaded the first thing SO answer from google for jar decompiler

joapet99

Did you decompile that now or was it the code I posted

MickLH

decompiled

joapet99

ok

MickLH

you built with debugging information I guess :P

thx

Icy Defiance

and you can't expect people to not decompile your programs either.

like Josh said, encryption has nothing to do with secrets

encryption means everyone in the entire world can understand your algorithm perfectly, and they still can't decode anything without the key.

MickLH

21:38

@Jov

Shotgun Ninja

What are the characters that are used to explain cryptography in classrooms? Some names starting with A and B.

joapet99

@MickLH Do you get near an answer?

MickLH

@joapet99 I stopped at "return information[1];" it can only return some permutation of character 7 and null

joapet99

Why did you stop there?

MickLH

decrypt your own string

joapet99

21:40

I sent you a decrypter too

MickLH

if you get anything except the 2nd letter in LetterCombonations or null, then your code isn't compiled properly

user4704

He's saying your program is broken, @joapet99, because it can't decrypt what it encrypts.

joapet99

Oh can't it?

So you mean the decrypter don't work?

MickLH

unless your file is encoded as one character per line, the 2nd character in LetterCombination

then it's broken

user4704

According to that code above and your explanation of how to use it, no.

joapet99

21:42

Then screw you

user4704

The explanation you gave does not agree with your code.

MickLH

and if that's what it's supposed to do, then I broke it, you just take the 2nd letter of every line and you have the plaintext

user4704

You need to make them agree.

joapet99

Wait a little

user4704

@joapet99 That's unnecessary.

MickLH

21:43

@JoshPetrie wait a moment

joapet99

AKD

Alex M.

I have no idea

joapet99

that was the answer

Alex M.

what is going on here

joapet99

And the decrypter worked

Alex M.

21:43

but the overall atmosphere is grim

and makes me feel uncomfy

MickLH

I've been moderated a fair bit in my life, imagine how Rinjdael would feel if someone said "Retard, look you take the modulous of e[42] to the x power and multiply it by x[16] 10 times and you have q which is the modulo of plaintext[i] and q itself!"

Alex M.

can we talk about something else

user4704

@joapet99 But it still doesn't appear that your code and your explanation agree.

joapet99

nbo

MickLH

@joapet99 give a tutorial on how to use your decryptor successfully if you want me to really take a crack at it

I can't do debugging and cracking at the same time

user4704

21:45

You are missing a certain sense of logical rigor in your thought process and in the process by which are you are attempting to educate yourself.

joapet99

ok

MickLH

Look at it this way, if you ask a computer algebra system what X and Y are when X + Y = 5

you will get [[x=5-%r1,y=%r1]]

user4704

I realize it can be frustrating when starting out, but the sooner you correct this behavior the better. You cannot reasonably expect people to continue offering help and guidance if you are going to ignore that assistance -- even if that assistance isn't what you think you need.

MickLH

that means there is only 1 degree of freedom

but you are asking me for two

I'm sorry to be so harsh, but I'm literally being as easy as I can

There are people who might physically harm you out of jealousy over how nice I am being to you right now

Grey

wot is going on

MickLH

21:48

@Grey I tried to break joapets encryption algorithm but I found a bug in the code instead

Jovito

what? @MickLH

Alex M.

I'm out

too uncomfy for me

MickLH

@AlexM. nooo

Grey

I'm out.

MickLH

stay bro wtf

@Grey nooo

stay bro wtf

Grey

21:50

lol

Jovito

is this 'Revolution OS' any good?

user4704

Never heard of it.

Jovito

@JoshPetrie imdb.com/title/tt0308808

Icy Defiance

I am completely skeptical of any movie or tv show that claims to portray people who work with technology. The number of good ones are just barely above zero.

that particular movie makes me think of the social network, which was not one of the good ones.

Jovito

Friday night is movie night for me. Know any good ones?

Shotgun Ninja

21:55

"People who liked this also viewed" shows one of my favorite documentaries ever: imdb.com/title/tt1587707/?ref_=tt_rec_tti

Grey

Can you name inline php?

guess not ; o ; I should probably just create another file then.

Icy Defiance

not sure what you mean

Grey

<?php

?>

can I name this

Icy Defiance

nope

Grey

gah

joapet99

21:57

@MickLH should I explain you one more time?

Grey

@IcyDefiance could I do something like this:

MickLH

@joapet99 no, make an algorithm that decrypts it in Chrome console that you copy paste fully working right here

Grey

<?php
echo HTML FORM STUFF
(if submit button)
if ($_SERVER["REQUEST_METHOD"] == "POST")
{
stuffs
}
?>

joapet99

@MickLH Why should I do that?

I can't program the whole thing in javascript

Icy Defiance

@Grey looks valid, though you might not get what you want.

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