Game Development

MickLH

12:00

BOW dumDumDumDumDumDumDum ChChDumDumDum Ch-Ch-Ch-DumDum BOW dumDumDumDumDumDumDum ChKChK DumDum ChChChCh hourmWOP!

Monica

?

MickLH

I am stepping the dub, you see.

Jon

in before the bass drops.

Monica

whats the solution now?

MickLH

Listen to old-ish excision stuff I guess

Jon

12:01

Get rid of the red.

MickLH

I mean nobody else gets the "hourmWOP!" quite right

I miss when Datsik and Excision were butt buddies, if they had someone to do the Ch-Ch-Ch's there would be no more room left for music in this world

radical

@Monica, you are using the API incorrectly, IMHO! You need to specify how many rows and columns of sprites are there in your image. How else would it be able to animate them otherwise? Also, see the method sig/docs, ".., 10, 10" that is not rows and columns. My source of info: raw.github.com/nicolasgramlich/AndEngine/GLES2/src/org/…

that is all i was able to figure out. I haven't used AndEngine, so i could be wrong!

/me shuts up

hm "/me" isn't supported here :)

Monica

@radical hey thats what i mentioning 10 10 that means 100 images

radical

but the parameters for which you are specifying 10, 10 are actually position in the atlas, where the image would be placed. AFAIU! See the doc or the code

Monica

noooooooooooo

u r making stiuation so complecated

leave it

i m will handle

thanks again so much for help

MickLH

12:07

hahaha

Jon

dude, you didn't even get her number

MickLH

bro it's not worth it

that's the kind of crazy you avoid, you can see it in their eyes

radical

hehe :)

MickLH

god damn that screencap enrages me so FUCKING MUCH

eyes full of red...

but only because the close button is on the wrong side

I don't want to go to top left to close, it feels so far away ;(

radical

@Jon, your game, Inifinidrill, looks nice!

Jon

12:13

I think all serious developers are crazy.

radical

*infinidrill

Jon

@radical ah thanks -- its been put on hold for another project actually :)

radical

okk

Jon

It is overly ambitious for a single person to make..

radical

Good luck! What is it about?

Jon

12:15

You and your crew crash landed on a planet. Your quest is to find your crewmembers, and re-assemble your ship to escape.

The world is seamless and infinite... which creates some obstacles when you are trying to define regions in your world.

radical

okok

Jon

I mean, I am going to return to it for sure.

But I think I need a new plan of approach... to trim some of the work involved.

What are you working on?

radical

um game related, just my engine. Though, I haven't had a chance to hack on it for some time. Hoping to attempt some small game, soon-ish :D

Jon

I was working on character movements when I stopped

MickLH

awesome!

radical

12:21

that looks great!! you did the artwork?

Jon

No! I did not.

I found this amazing artist.

So, we put this game on hold, and started working on another one together, hehe.

radical

hehe :)

MickLH

I'm actually trying to achieve the same thing as you posted :)

Jon

I wrote a pretty sweet Tilesheet manager

Without it, all these animations would be insane to manage.

What are you writing in @MickLH

MickLH

C++

Jon

12:24

Using any libs?

MickLH

It's a bit crazy in 3D, I've been grinding away at the curved volume extrusions a while now, and the logic's hard to get right too

Jon

sdl ? sfml

MickLH

OpenGL, Bullet, Assimp (optional), SDL_image (optional), DevIL (optional)

Jon

nice

MickLH

actually Bullet is optional too, but the core demos don't work without it

Jon

12:25

bullet is the collision detection system?

radical

any screenshots/videos?

MickLH

It's the rigid body physics system

Jon

ah, i found it.

MickLH

Collision detection for players is using raytracing

Jon

yeah, remember reading about it a while back.

Screens???

:)

MickLH

12:26

@radical I just posted one earlier, I finally got it to work on windows again the other day

Jon

What's it about?

MickLH

sorry no good screens, it's all programmer art

radical

i can relate to that ;)

MickLH

Well I'm not making the game yet, it's a zombie survival thing

But I have another project of "everything else" that I'd like in a game that wont fit, the engine is general purpose

Jon

I love it in here. People in the "real world" typically just pitch me their ideas.

And want me to do all the work... Here, people make their ideas happen.. its magical

MickLH

12:30

I also have some crazy dream of making an easy-to-use toolset

There really isn't one for open source yet imo

Jon

Unity ?

Open Source, it is not though.

MickLH

Nor does it qualify as easy to use by the definition im shooting for

As soon as I reach the first milestone, I'll release everything

Probably the biggest difference is that it works in Bodies and Materials, instead of Meshes and Textures

There's no custom shaders allowed at the artist level, although a programmer can define a lighting model by implementing it into the source code

I've implemented all the normal lighting models that 3d packages use

Oh, derp the point was that a Body can be a Mesh, or a small grid of voxels, or even F-Rep

The engine manages creating runtime data and LOD information, as well as approximating physics meshes

although if you make a pile of rocks, you better make sure they are convex, or you better set the maximum LOD on them by FPS

same deal with images also, if you apply a vector image to a plane, it will render the polygons directly

but that might not be ironed out for the first milestone

radical

sounds interesting ..

Jon

Yeah. As long as you have good documentation :)

MickLH

12:45

I plan to have some friends help me document it, I've got a group of total newbie friends who want to make an FPS game kinda like Halo / Half-Life, I'll bite the bullet and help them through it, and record the process to hopefully end up with documentation that a normal gamedev can use

I just hope they hold up their parts, only 2 of them seem to actually be making any progress getting good at their 3d tools

TheProgramm3r

hey

jgallant :D

sup @MickLH, @Jon

Jon

sup dude

MickLH

hey

TheProgramm3r

what's happening?

@Jon working on school and programming today

Jon

should be working. watching videos.

TheProgramm3r

12:56

still have homework

:P

MickLH

lol

TheProgramm3r

it is magical in here, @Jon <3

MickLH

I'm so glad I quit school (not recommended!)

Jon

It is haha

TheProgramm3r

@MickLH what did you do?

MickLH

12:57

Today or the school thing?

TheProgramm3r

also, what's your current job?

MickLH

I currently work as a lover

TheProgramm3r

?

MickLH

I rely on humans who love me to keep my body functioning

TheProgramm3r

hm... interesting :P

Jon

12:59

lol

Which brings us back to the point, why you so happy you quit school?

MickLH

Because I truly enjoy life now

I sit at home and do open source / drugs / fuck all day and then move to another country

TheProgramm3r

drugs..........

MickLH

*not recommended

I've actually been off drugs a while now

I think a month or two, except caffeine and alcohol and human hormones

TheProgramm3r

good for you :)

caffeine and hormones are okay, but not hgh :P

MickLH

I don't really do any crazy shit, alcohol is by far the worst drug I'd do

TheProgramm3r

13:02

*human growth hormones

@MickLH :)

MickLH

and I meant human emotion hormones :P

TheProgramm3r

I've tried beer and wine before, wine is okay, but beer I hate

lol

MickLH

lol I'm considering a beer right now

but it's because I'm refactoring

TheProgramm3r

wine

go get a white one

MickLH

bro I've got these tall cans of this 9% shit that actually tastes decent

Jon

13:04

if you code while drunk, make sure you have a version control system

14

TheProgramm3r

LOL

MickLH

hahaha yeah definitely

TheProgramm3r

:D

Jon

Oh man... I bought this 10% beer, it was so thick

MickLH

it's a lottery

Jon

13:04

You think you are chugging it, but then you stop, and there is more than when you started.

MickLH

hahahaha yeah bro thats the puke

Jon

Lesson learned, don't go higher than 7% on beer.

MickLH

I think really it's the right time for a beer though for me, I keep procrastinating on other code because refactoring is so boring

I just need to fucking sit here and copy paste

doin it!

Jon

treat yourself.

MickLH

lol feels weird, I've never stack network'd drunk

TIME TO DRAIN ALL MY REP SON!

Jon

13:07

drink fast

MickLH

SHUDDER UGGHHH

33%

50% fuck this

its a tall can, that counts as a beer

6 typos in a row... I swear I'm not this drunk yet... oh yeah danish keyboard

TheProgramm3r

lol

MickLH

13:31

PIP DONT DRINK GOD DAMNIT!

Some people like the way it feels, some people want to KILL their sorrows, some people wanna fit in with the popular. Then what's my problem?

TheProgramm3r

@MickLH You are the problem..... go finish school.

I'm serious

MickLH

13:46

pip.

TheProgramm3r

yes?

MickLH

im here. you dont need to tag me

TheProgramm3r

lol

editeditedit

so

what were you studying to be in school?

Jon

A boss.

Almo

haha

TheProgramm3r

13:47

hey lmo!

dammit

sorry Almo

Almo

:D

you can use the uparrow to fix those you know ^_^

TheProgramm3r

i know :P

MickLH

@TheProgramm3r That's a great question, I dropped out in the 5th grade

I always loved computers though, I guess that ;)

TheProgramm3r

:D

It's illegal to drop out before the end of high school in the US

MickLH

Yeah I showed up

I just spent my time in class meeting people and never turned in homework unless it was fun

TheProgramm3r

13:51

:P

MickLH

Honestly, you can call me crazy all you like, aliens taught me everything I'd ever be good for by the age of 3

TheProgramm3r

you're crazy!

MickLH

That's healthy

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TheProgramm3r

:P

TheProgramm3r

14:07

where is everyone? Actually coding?!??!!!?!??!?

MickLH

yeah

Jon

yesh.

TheProgramm3r

wow

stunned

Jon

Heh, game ain't gonna release itself.

TheProgramm3r

:D

you could have it write a script to do that @Jon :D

Jon

14:14

that would be a pretty complicated script.

TheProgramm3r

yep, but it would be possible :P

Jon

TheProgramm3r

um

what is that?

Jon

coding in mspaint.

TheProgramm3r

wha?

so confused

Jon

14:16

Lol, its from this: stackoverflow.com/questions/5588649/…

Almo

TONY THE PONY

TheProgramm3r

@Almo adarkroom.doublespeakgames.com

Almo

I know about that.

I just haven't finished it :(

TheProgramm3r

:D

MickLH

@Jon OK OK OK delete this shit LAG DEMON at least on chrome...

Jon

14:19

actually, it lags me out too

its a laggy gif.

MickLH

submit it to google as a testcase

it lags everyones shit, even on IE, as if IE could lag more than IE

TheProgramm3r

it didn't lag Firefox <3

MickLH

1 hour recap to aid in critical thinking: what have I completed? one tall can and one more C++ class

Jon

sweet.

I'm gotta make an enemy follow a path now.

here's a good programming game -- everytime you knock something off your todo list, chug a beer.

MickLH

at this rate it will only take me lethal alcohol poisining to finish my game!

Jon

14:24

The trick is to keep your todo list very simple: 1. Create a Position variable.

MickLH

hahaha

about that...

hey look, my drunk class is even const-correct :D

Jon

i'm sure everyone saw this

MickLH

We all knew that's how it happened. RIP

Jon

Astonishingly, those in the drinking group averaged nine correct questions to the six answers correct by the non-drinking group. It also took drunk men 11.5 seconds to answer a question, whereas non-drunk men needed 15.2 seconds to think. Both groups had comparable results on a similar exam before the alcohol consumption began.

Read more at http://betabeat.com/2012/04/bottoms-up-the-ballmer-peak-is-real-study-says/#ixzz2m2qEQAfN

TheProgramm3r

lol

MickLH

14:29

and it's explained by the egos not-giving-a-fuckness to accessing the infinite data of the universe setting in faster than than drunk bitch syndrome, due obviously to the access to the infinite information of the universe and egoic drive to be "better"

TheProgramm3r

@Jon he really is drunk :P

Jon

he is nearing ballmer's peak

MickLH

the key is making a commit before falling back out of it

Jon

haha

TheProgramm3r

bleh

I'm refactoring my code to include a state machine T__T

taking forever

MickLH

14:36

worth it!

I ended up with an entire new class out of refactoring and now my code isn't disgusting

Don't be afraid to change everything!!

TheProgramm3r

bleh

Timtech

Hi everyone!

MickLH

hi

TheProgramm3r

hey

Almo

hey tim

MickLH

14:37

not high actually, drunk this time, sorry

Timtech

I'm hoping to make a new game soon

Matt D

nice work

TheProgramm3r

@Timtech story of our lives

Timtech

@TheProgramm3r Yeah. Well I already have part of it :)

TheProgramm3r

@MickLH also have to implement my new turn system while doing this -_-

@Timtech so do we all :P

Timtech

14:39

:D

Okay

TheProgramm3r

:)

Timtech

Well I'll tell you when I get it done :)

Almo

I'm releasing an in app purchase soon :)

MickLH

@TheProgramm3r don't do that

TheProgramm3r

@Almo is one of the only people who actually ever released a game

why @MickLH?

Timtech

14:39

WAIT

MickLH

@TheProgramm3r refactor first, then your new turn system will be much easier to write

that's the point of refactoring

Timtech

I"VE ALREADY RELEASED GAMES!

:)

Almo

Don't forget Josh

TheProgramm3r

:)

MickLH

and also @Almo is definitely not the only oen

TheProgramm3r

14:40

true

Almo

yeah

MickLH

he's just an apple fanboy so he brags about it too much

TheProgramm3r

i know "one of the only people"

Almo

:D

TheProgramm3r

anyhow

Timtech

14:40

Yeah look under video games here timtechsoftware.com

MickLH

Apple does need games desperately though

So big ups anyways!

TheProgramm3r

@MickLH the point of this was to clean up the code I don't need, while implementing the new turn system, which uses a state machine as the base

@Timtech cool

MickLH

@TheProgramm3r thats separate tasks

Timtech

@MickLH Thanks

Oops wrong one :3

@TheProgramm3r Thanks :)

Almo

CENTER THE TEXTELEMENT DAMMIT

:(

MickLH

14:41

:P I was a bit paranoid that your website exploited this windows PC within the seconds I had it open and was monitoring me :P

TheProgramm3r

not really...... the code that I don't need i will need until I write the state machine

Timtech

My website?

MickLH

yeah, when you thanked me

it was seconds after your site loaded in the other tab

Timtech

Uh

Waat?

MickLH

nevermind

Timtech

14:43

Yes I do have 24/7 Live Monitoring :0

MickLH

/MickLH puts away his past

TheProgramm3r

@Timtech Python <3

Timtech

:)

TheProgramm3r

that's what I'm using right now

Timtech

afk

TheProgramm3r

14:44

for my game prototype

Almo

you know what's screwy... is AWK.

MickLH

@TheProgramm3r pleeease try assembly one day

TheProgramm3r

@MickLH maybe sometime

Almo

i used it in combination with bash scripting to make my Javascript obfuscator in 2000

TheProgramm3r

for the TI-84 Silver that I'm getting for school soon @MickLH

MickLH

14:46

@TheProgramm3r The hard part is bending your algebra into the way a computer wants it

TheProgramm3r

:D

MickLH

You've done that already, it's only like 5% further to unlock all programming languages

Jon

assembly for logic chips :)

MickLH

And then magically your 1337 skill gets boosted, and the programs you write after that grind more skill for you since you write them at higher 1337ness

Jon

In college, i managed to control a serial port to rotate a electric motor

the power coming from the serial port

MickLH

14:48

that's fucking gangster, do you mean parallel port?

Jon

no serial

old school

MickLH

that's fucking ridiculous, did you use baud to do PWM?

Timtech

Serial is ooolllddd

My games still support it though :)

MickLH

:)

Jon

lol, it was essentially some hardware intercepts, sending out electrical pulses to a motor, to the motor specifications.

it turned 5 degrees at a time

its simple robotics

TheProgramm3r

14:50

wow

MickLH

I miss robotics like that

Jon

you can also program a PLD to do it

TheProgramm3r

this week has actually been about 800 posts less than usual... even when people have time off this week...... wow

MickLH

I got to go to UC Davis for a month in an experimental program when I was in the 8th grade, that's the kind of stuff we did

Jon

yeah, if you find a good college, you can learn to do this

although, i was doing this on my own time in the lab

MickLH

14:51

Sadly I was only one of 3 that didn't piss off the professor so the program got shut down

He was a elitist prick a bit though

TheProgramm3r

@MickLH hey.... what about dropping out in 5th grade?

bbiab

MickLH

Remember, it's illegal to actually leave

I had to sit in class until 12th grade

Jon

the craziest thing I ever did, was reflashed a bios

they had a bios flashing machine

i mean, how can you not play with that.

MickLH

dude you gotta mention, out of system

it's WAY COOLER out of the mobo

Jon

I rewrote an old PC's bios (these are the chips that used to be removable on mainboards), to play Happy Bday

when the PC was turned on

MickLH

14:54

they aren't removable anymore?!?!

Jon

They are.. but good luck

MickLH

pfft soldering iron doesn't count

Jon

before, you could just pull them out... now they have the flash backups, and they are soldered right on the board

MickLH

and that's gay. fuck peoples dumb

What if I want to install SeaBios without reverse engineering my mobo's flashing program, and I have EEPROM tools ;(

Jon

lol no idea, that was a long time ago.

things have changed.

MickLH

14:56

Seriously, fuck man I'm too drunk for this, I'm about to cry about the NSA microcode built into the CPU itself in this machine I'm on

I'm not even in the USA?! what the fuck!

oh well, back to MeshTool::*() :D

Jon

yay

path movement working pro

lol, nope.

MickLH

lmao

tsss silly noob *builds code FUCK!

Jon

ahh, i see the problem

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