Game Development

Shotgun Ninja

14:00

@RhysW and Unity

RhysW

yeah

Shotgun Ninja

/argument

Vaughan Hilts

</3

I feel like they're trying to kill C# for games

Shotgun Ninja

Wait, you liked Microsoft to begin with?

RhysW

@VaughanHilts :(

i wish they wouldnt

Shotgun Ninja

14:01

I think they're more trying to appeal to the HTML5 crowd... They already know that Unity and XNA audiences for C# are big, so that's not their corporate concern.

They're trying to say that you can use their products to make HTML5 games.

Vaughan Hilts

Microsoft ain't such a bad company.

RhysW

should be, people will happily move elsewhere if other communities are more supportive

Shotgun Ninja

@VaughanHilts Yeah, but they are a company. And one whose heart pumps money.

RhysW

@ShotgunNinja they cant help being successful xD

Shotgun Ninja

There's definitely worse companies (looking at you, EA and monsanto)

RhysW

14:02

success does not a bad company make

Vaughan Hilts

Microsoft has done bad things, but overall they're not so evil

Especially to students.

Shotgun Ninja

I'm agreeing, they're not bad, but their agenda is for survival and continuing relevance in the market.

Vaughan Hilts

God they pour out so much mmoney to students

Admitelly, they only give us so much free shit to get us hooked on their tech

Code Assassin

Microsoft: Raising another generation of Windows Users aka students

Shotgun Ninja

Just to serve as the devil's advocate, they spend more ensuring we buy their products than they do actually making them.

Vaughan Hilts

14:04

Well, they have to in todays market.

With so much choice, they need to grab everyone they can.

And once you're in an ecosystem, it's harder to leave

Shotgun Ninja

I'm not saying it's wrong; it's a smart business move. All I'm saying is that they have less about the consumer's wants in their mind than some smaller companies, because they have to support their own weight.

Vaughan Hilts

No, I know.

Shotgun Ninja

At least they're not Monsanto.

Vaughan Hilts

Haha

RhysW

nono a bad company is one like amy's baking company

Vaughan Hilts

14:06

Or most indie companies.

That never make it more than 4 weeks.

RhysW

or OUYA

Shotgun Ninja

@RhysW Is that the one that Gordon Ramsay walked out on?

RhysW

@ShotgunNinja yup

Shotgun Ninja

@RhysW I just watched that the other day, lol

RhysW

@ShotgunNinja it gets so much worse though

Shotgun Ninja

14:07

@RhysW They closed down?

RhysW

so much bad stuff that wasnt shown on that episode

@ShotgunNinja unfortunately, no... i dont think so

@ShotgunNinja on their facebook page (which is actually run by them, not soemone pretending) they openly mock and abuse customers

flies and other stuff is frequently delivered in food

hygiene is horribble

they shout at customers they dont like for complaining about flies in the food,

THAT is a bad company xd

Vaughan Hilts

radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/08/…

RhysW

@VaughanHilts facepalm

Vaughan Hilts

Tada, you guys fromt hem m0ar money.

lol

RhysW

aghh

Shotgun Ninja

14:10

@VaughanHilts wat

RhysW

that site forces you to watch a video to rread the article

no thanks

Vaughan Hilts

I didn't have to

I have adblock, though

Shotgun Ninja

jeffreyhollender.com/?p=208

Vaughan Hilts

Yeah, I read all about them.

Shotgun Ninja

While we're on the subject of things to be pissed about, how bout Russia persecuting LGBT activists?

Vaughan Hilts

14:12

Didn't hear about that

RhysW

@ShotgunNinja i saw your post yesterday, made me sads

@ShotgunNinja anyone who discovers how to solve world hunger with a resilient, cheap, safe crop, shouldnt be allowed to sell it, it should become public owned, free to all

Shotgun Ninja

pbs.org/newshour/bb/world/july-dec13/russia_08-12.html

Vaughan Hilts

Ouch

Illegal to be "LBGT" there now?

RhysW

@VaughanHilts i expect mass emmigration

Vaughan Hilts

Problem is you need a country that's willing to take them

RhysW

14:17

the UK, im pretty sure we dont give a crap :L

sometime i honestly think i could do a better job of running a country than these half wits

Almo

I see someone cleaned out the useless starred messages again.

Shotgun Ninja

@RhysW The UK has David Cameron, who has recently shifted his views in favor of gay marriage rights.

Kevin van der Velden

@VaughanHilts come to holland! We have tulips and gay marriage.

Shotgun Ninja

@KevinvanderVelden Only two? My girlfriend has four.

RhysW

@ShotgunNinja ¬_¬ really dude, REALLY :P

Shotgun Ninja

14:23

ehehehehe

RhysW

did you Have to go there? xD

Kevin van der Velden

@RhysW too low for your taste?

RhysW

talk about lowering the tone :P

Shotgun Ninja

@KevinvanderVelden Not too low for mine ;P

MrPlow

Over here in Croatia people started a petition for a referendum to prohibit gay marriage by state law, it got over 700k signatures : /

Shotgun Ninja

14:24

@MrPlow barf

RhysW

screw it ill make my own damn country, who wants to come join? xD

Shotgun Ninja

Well, both my girlfriend and I are bisexual, despite the fact that we are now in a heterosexual relationship, and we find this offensive.

I'm down, @RhysW

Vaughan Hilts

Sorry, I like Canada.

They have internet - your country probably won't.

RhysW

@VaughanHilts you can get a joint citizenship :P

MrPlow

@RhysW only if you make me the treasurer

Vaughan Hilts

14:27

Is it even possible to found a new country?

Almo

Maybe you can find one.

Vaughan Hilts

We'll make a sky country.

Shotgun Ninja

@VaughanHilts At this point, there's no real unclaimed land on Earth, aside from islands in the Pacific or South China Sea.

RhysW

@VaughanHilts yes, you can declare independance and hope no one cares enough to dispute it :P

Vaughan Hilts

Even then, we have country lines.

Shotgun Ninja

14:28

Your only real hope is to secede and be recognized by the UN.

MrPlow

Let's make a country.... IN SPACE

Shotgun Ninja

Well, you can secede individual oil rigs, apparently.

sealandgov.org

The entire principality of sealand fits in a photograph.

Kevin van der Velden

Lets just do this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hutt_River

We'll even have internet!

RhysW

@ShotgunNinja so does the entire earth...

you can fit anything in a photograph, you just move further away xD

Shotgun Ninja

@RhysW You can't get the backside in it, though.

My point is, you can get it in a photograph, and still make out individual people.

Kevin van der Velden

14:33

@ShotgunNinja sure you can, you just need a few mirrors

RhysW

@ShotgunNinja sure you can, move the camera around the earth in an orbit nd take one really long picture :P

Kevin van der Velden

@ShotgunNinja define photograph? Check google earth =p

Shotgun Ninja

Never mind the photograph bit, you trolls.

RhysW

:D

Kevin van der Velden

Trolololol

RhysW

14:35

the bridge i live under can fit in a photograph

@ShotgunNinja what you working on currently shotgun? that haunted house thingy right? hows that going?

Shotgun Ninja

@RhysW Yeah, I'm just doing preliminary engine coding and building up a design base.

RhysW

@ShotgunNinja gonna base it on the ECS you built? :P

Shotgun Ninja

You know it.

RhysW

what language you using?

do not say english

Shotgun Ninja

Java, via libGDX

I might look into OUYA compatibility at some point.

Vaughan Hilts

14:40

bleck java

Shotgun Ninja

badlogicgames.com/wordpress/?p=2733

Yeah, I know, but it's ~~easier and~~ faster than setting up Visual Studio, and I already know Java fairly well.

Vaughan Hilts

Never used libgdx heard it was cool though

Shotgun Ninja

Yeah, it's really simple.

Vaughan Hilts

Does it enforce an ECS?

Shotgun Ninja

Nope. It's just the bare bones of what you need to get graphics and sound running in a game window.

RhysW

14:42

@VaughanHilts surely it enforces whatever the hell you tell it to enforce? :P

Vaughan Hilts

Ah, so lesss engine and more framework

Shotgun Ninja

Well, more a game library than a game engine.

RhysW

@ShotgunNinja more like a game book from the sounds of it

Shotgun Ninja

@RhysW lol, yeah, kinda

Vaughan Hilts

Has a lot of stuff XNA dosen't, though.

RhysW

14:43

@VaughanHilts liiiiike?

Shotgun Ninja

@VaughanHilts You sure? It doesn't have a lot of stuff to begin with...

Vaughan Hilts

I take it back

It has a camera class

And that's it

RhysW

xD

Shotgun Ninja

lol

RhysW

ah Pingu, you crack me up

Shotgun Ninja

14:44

The point of the library's design was to be a simple set of classes to get a game going in minimal steps, for the purpose of game jams or prototyping.

@RhysW You mean Tux?

RhysW

@ShotgunNinja nope, i have nicknamed him Pingu

Vaughan Hilts

my honour </3

So, is anyone here a different web person and want to make some money on the side?

RhysW

different web?

web 3.0?

Vaughan Hilts

gah auto correct

decent *

RhysW

ahhh

that makes more sense

functionally yes, design wise, not so much

Vaughan Hilts

14:49

Yeah, it's more design I'm worried about

RhysW

im not your guy then im afraid!

layouts n stuff is not my strong point

if you say i want 'X' i can make it look like x, but im not creative enough to think of making it look like X myself :L

Vaughan Hilts

Well, yeah. Cloning designs is easy enough :p

RhysW

well i dont think i am anyway, i guess ive never tried but ive never been good at arty things :L

Shotgun Ninja

I'm a backend guy, and I don't like web stuff anyway...

Vaughan Hilts

I do front-end web dev. at Axonify time to time

MrPlow

14:53

@RhysW you and me bro... I've aced my web design / web programming class but all of my designs looked like the old school menu of Half Life 1

Vaughan Hilts

But it's front-end

Not design.

Shotgun Ninja

I can pound out HTML...

MrPlow

dark backgrounds and yellow glowy text.. that's my "design" .. can't think of any pretty modern things you see around nowadays

Vaughan Hilts

I'm looking for something like:
http://www.waveengine.net/ http://libgdx.badlogicgames.com/ http://www.rpgmakerweb.com/ http://www.deltaengine.net/

But something that screams more 'community' like

Shotgun Ninja

Welp

I'm out

Vaughan Hilts

14:56

lmao

Shotgun Ninja

I can't generate that much graphical content.

MrPlow

waveengine and libgdx look pretty, others look cluttered

Vaughan Hilts

Yeah, I'm thinking something similar to WAVE

MrPlow

aren't there a crapton of free frameworks which can give you a similar look?

Vaughan Hilts

If I knew about them, I might.

MrPlow

15:00

I don't know much about web development but don't most sites nowadays use bootstrap?

ClassicThunder

no

or they heavily modify it

Shotgun Ninja

libgdx.badlogicgames.com/…

Vaughan Hilts

lmao

MrPlow

"Touch to dial: Uncle Putin"

lol'd

Shotgun Ninja

Found a stray sheep in the C# room

@Flotolk, welcome

Flotolk

15:06

I found this code for buoyancy: forum.unity3d.com/threads/72974-Buoyancy-script it is attached to my boat, which has both a collider and and a rigidbody. Can anyone tell me why my boat still falls through the bottim.

@shotgun thanks again

Vaughan Hilts

Ah, Archimedes Law..

Is your desnity set correctly?

Shotgun Ninja

Let's see your setup

Vaughan Hilts

i.e: is the boat just really heavy

Flotolk

density is 500

Vaughan Hilts

And what's the water?

Flotolk

15:08

Do I need the script in the water too?

Vaughan Hilts

I'm not sure about unity, never worked with it.

Try lowering the desnity of the boat

See if it floats at low density

Flotolk

it doesn't, still falls staright down

Shotgun Ninja

Try a density of 0.5.

Vaughan Hilts

The water probably needs a density, too

Does it fall at a lower speed the lower density?

Flotolk

the water doesn't have the script right now

even with .5 it falls

Shotgun Ninja

15:12

The water probably needs the ocean script.

MrPlow

Well if the water object doesn't contain a script then how do you expect the boat to know how to interact with it?

Flotolk

is that in the website too? I didnt see the ocean script

Shotgun Ninja

> 1) add an object with a collider(s) (even in children) and rigidbody.
2) attach this script BuoyancyJS.js
3) set the level of water in world coordinates
// CONGRATULATION, you got a physic object which is floating

4) by script, use AddForce to move your object
*) for a boat, you should have to change rigidbody.centerOfMass = Vector3 (0, -2, 0); to make it more stable

MrPlow

oh.. so water is a global height level and not a singular object

Shotgun Ninja

I don't know if there's an ocean script, or if it does what I think it does

Flotolk

15:14

I tried that... not sure why it still doesn't work

MrPlow

Have you set the water height correctly?

Vaughan Hilts

You'd need to get @Wardy in here.

Shotgun Ninja

Don't we have more people who do Unity stuff?

Vaughan Hilts

@Byte56 Does

And @ToddersLegrande I think

Flotolk

the script I am using is in c#, the GetwaterLevel is returning water level as 34.75f

that's where the water is too

Kevin van der Velden

15:17

@ShotgunNinja I did some unity stuff =p

MrPlow

and the ship is at?

Shotgun Ninja

Hmm

Flotolk

34.75

Shotgun Ninja

Is that the same as the global water height?

I could easily see this being bad crosstalk between two water libraries...

MrPlow

try setting it slightly above.. although that probably won't do much

Flotolk

15:19

how much higher?

Shotgun Ninja

Set it to 35.

Try shit.

Vaughan Hilts

Boat's should still be pushed up via force even if it falsl

Shotgun Ninja

Try a few different levels.

Vaughan Hilts

It sounds like it's not recieving ANY bouyancy

Shotgun Ninja

Try some lower as well.

Vaughan Hilts

15:20

@Garan Know anything about Unity?

MrPlow

@VaughanHilts yeah, that's why I said that it proably won't do much

Garan

@VaughanHilts To a very small extent

Vaughan Hilts

Hey Noctine is a unity user

lol

Flotolk

well now its just shot up to 618 in y, and still flying

Vaughan Hilts

lol?

Garan

15:21

That was very weird though, because I only JUST opened my laptop

And was like WUT? MSG?

Shotgun Ninja

@Flotolk The density must be way too low now.

Is it still at 0.5?

Flotolk

its kinda bouncing and fliupping ion

let me check

yea

Shotgun Ninja

increment it until it settles down.

Vaughan Hilts

bloody hell this game is hard lemoda.net/javascript/flood-it

Shotgun Ninja

I know a lot of game engines spawn water vehicles slightly above the water, so they have an initial downward force to kickstart the buoyancy.

Flotolk

15:23

ok, at 500 it seems to work fine again

Almo

@ShotgunNinja That's really interesting.

Vaughan Hilts

Buoyancy should kick in even if you're slighly submerged.

Flotolk

maybe it doesn't like the fraction?

now it works fine

Vaughan Hilts

Congrats.

Flotolk

thanks

Vaughan Hilts

15:25

Come back any time =D

Flotolk

k, thanks guys

MrPlow

@VaughanHilts fun little game, just barely managed to flood the whole thing in 24 moves

Vaughan Hilts

@MrPlow I win like every third round -_-

Most rounds there's like one block elft

MrPlow

@VaughanHilts I got a lucky generation so I could overtake a lot of blocks early

Vaughan Hilts

lol

Shotgun Ninja

15:36

got it in 21, on my 6th attempt

Vaughan Hilts

you bastard.

MrPlow

After the first win I can't seem to win anymore

I'm always either 1 block short or a whole block short

Vaughan Hilts

LOL That happens to me a blot.

lot*

I'll be one 1 single block short >_<

It's like "FU - if only I made a smarter descission earlier..."

Noctrine

Ahh thought it filled in from the outside but its just the upper right hand corner

Vaughan Hilts

Upper left, actually

Noctrine

15:44

Ah yeah, wasn't thinking, trying to get it :p

Vaughan Hilts

Careful - it's addictive.

Noctrine

aaah

Almost had it

3 moves away

RhysW

@MrPlow what we talking about?

MrPlow

@RhysW I don't know

John McDonald

:( 6 moves away.... can I do it?

RhysW

15:49

@MrPlow but, what? xD you must! i replied to something you said! xD

Vaughan Hilts

lemoda.net/javascript/flood-it

Shotgun Ninja

lemoda.net/javascript/flood-it

shoot

RhysW

thankyou :P

Noctrine

24 / 25 got it

Vaughan Hilts

Congrats!

John McDonald

15:50

Nooooo: i.imgur.com/mE9hK33.png

Noctrine

Ouch

Vaughan Hilts

LOL

Happens all the time.

MrPlow

@RhysW I really don't know what you're talking about.

RhysW

that game isnt hard, 25/25 on my first try :L

MrPlow

C++ can be quite funny

Vaughan Hilts

15:52

Play again, asshole.

RhysW

ok

MrPlow

If I have two headers and each includes the other one I get messy nonsensical errors

however if in one of those headers I predeclare the other class and only include it in the implementation file then everything works fine

user4704

That's not funny.

Noctrine

@RhysW Minimum Viable Win

RhysW

@VaughanHilts second game 20/25

user4704

15:54

That's exactly how it works.

Vaughan Hilts

@RhysW :( You're making everyone here sad.

user4704

@MrPlow Remember what #include does: it's just dumb textual substitution. The preprocessor handles all include (and other) directives to produce the resulting TU that is compiled.

Almo

oh flood-it

RhysW

@VaughanHilts :D i have a similar game on my iPad, except its 2 player, take it in turns to pick a color, try and get more than the other person, ive never lost xD

Vaughan Hilts

No wonder, the man has experience LOL

user4704

15:56

Since you presumably have header guards in there (otherwise you'd see the "include recursion too deep" errors, you're getting errors because one particular .cpp file is being turned into a TU that can't be compiled

RhysW

actually thats a lie, i lost once to an 'insane' ai

user4704

Probably because of a reference to a symbol that is defined lower in the TU.

MrPlow

@JoshPetrie right but with proper include guards shouldn't it work even with circular inclusion?

user4704

Forward-declaring that class solves the issue.

user4704

@MrPlow Absolutely not.

Almo

15:57

i like flood-it

Vaughan Hilts

I think I'm going to develop something like it for js13k

user4704

That's not what include guards are for.

RhysW

@Almo its catchy, a ncie quick game to whittle away a few minutes

Almo

yeah I have a very nice version on my iPod touch

RhysW

@Almo we might have the same one, whats yours called?

Almo

15:58

It's by PixieLabs I think

RhysW

is it 'set in communist russia' kind of thing?

Almo

hahah no

that sounds cool though

MrPlow

@JoshPetrie really? Aren't they there to prevent multiple inclusion of the same file ( since as you've already said preprocessor just copy pastes the contents )

RhysW

ah mine is, its pretty funny

Almo

@MrPlow Yeah that's what I thought.

MrPlow

15:59

I would've thought that that would prevent circular inclusion as well but I'm obviously in the wrong

user4704

@MrPlow Yes. It prevents circular inclusion.

user4704

It does not prevent nonsense TUs.

Almo

ok I feel better now.

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