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10:00 AM
we have $w_7=\sqrt{2}/2$
what is the relation between 1 7 9 15 17 23
 
@Vrouvrou what are the values mod $8$?
 
9, 17,
23= 8*2+7
17=8*2+1
i can consider w_{8n+1}
it gives me
w_1, w_9, w_17, w_25
all are equal to $\sqrt{2}/2$
but i don't find $w_{15},w_7,w_{23}$
@TobiasKildetoft
 
10:17 AM
and why does that matter?
 
like this i dont see all the value
can i find them in an other subsequence?
$w_{7}, w_{15}, w_{23}$
 
what other value?
 
in any subsequence i can find
 
I think you need to take a step back again and remember what it really is you are looking for here
 
$w_{7}, w_{15}, w_{23}$
 
10:20 AM
You are not looking for all subsequences or all subsequences containing some specific parts
 
i found the adhrent value $\{-\sqrt{2}/2,0,\sqrt{2}/2\}$
i just want to make my proofs like in the book
 
Why does the book do the things it does?
 
Hello, can someone help me with the following question?
$\sum _{ k=0 }^{ n }{ \frac { 1 }{ { 2 }^{ k } } } $
 
@bugrahaskan What happens if you multiply it by $2$ and add $1$?
 
@TobiasKildetoft OK it becomes well known geometric series
@TobiasKildetoft Thank you
 
10:35 AM
Hi, why is $\bigcup_{k \in \Bbb N} [\frac{1}{k},1]$ not closed? (math.stackexchange.com/a/2321897/454513)
 
@bugrahaskan I would have said that it already was a well-known geometric sum
 
If $f \in L^P(E)$, is $f^* = ||f||_p^{1-q} \cdot sgn(f) \cdot |f|^{p-1}$ the right expression for the conjugate of $f$?
 
I would think this union gives $[0,1]$
Or ist it $(0,1]$
 
I tried computing $||f^*||_q$, but the norm doesn't come out to $1$, so I'm wondering if I've made a mistake or $f^*$ is wrong.
 
@philmcole It is not the former, since $0$ is not in any of those sets
woops, corrected latter to former
 
10:38 AM
ok so it's the latter?
 
ok thx
 
@TobiasKildetoft indeed, I saw it. thanks a lot
 
11:20 AM
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Both of these questions have a bounty on them.
 
What is subring of $\Bbb C$, namely, $\Bbb Z[\alpha]=\{a+bi:a,b\in \Bbb Z\}$ (where $\alpha$ a complex number,) called?
@TobiasKildetoft
Also, does $\Bbb C$ have any other subring?
 
@Silent The right hand side is the Gaussian integers, but that will not be the left hand side for arbitrary complex numbers
And the complex numbers has tons of subrings
 
I am so sorry! @TobiasKildetoft, I meant $\Bbb Z[\alpha]=\{a+b\alpha :a,b\in \Bbb Z\}$. Does it have any specific name? also any other subring ?
 
@Silent plenty of other subrings. But for one thing, what you have written will not in general be a subring at all
 
11:39 AM
@TobiasKildetoft I am so thankful for this. I was mislead by seeing $\Bbb Z[\alpha]$ just after $\Bbb Z[i]$. So, is there some theorem which lists all $\alpha$, such that $\Bbb Z[\alpha]=\{a+b\alpha :a,b\in \Bbb Z\}$?
 
that thing is a ring iff $\alpha$ is the root of a quadratic polynomial
(with integer coefficients that is)
 
ok, thank you very much.
 
(that is a good exercise to show)
 
i will try it
 
11:57 AM
@TobiasKildetoft, it seems like $\frac12$ is root of a quadratic polynomial ($4x^2-1$), but set $\{a+b\frac12\}$ contains elements with denominator $2$, while $\Bbb Z[\alpha]$ can have denominator $2^n$, for any $n\ge0$
 
@Silent Woops, I means a monic polynomial
 
@TobiasKildetoft ok, thank u
 
12:31 PM
@Silent All I knew he has been spamming the voluminous covering theorem for ages aalready
and we have told him to stop but he don't listen
I don't know what options we have since we obviously cannot flag those posts because individually they break no chat rules
Ignoring is also of no help since his spam will affect new users anyway
 
I'm stuck on the following problem: I want to show that topologies induced by two equivalent norms of a given vector space are the same. So let's denote the vector space with $X$ and for $i=1,2$ the two norms by $\lVert \cdot \rVert_i$, which induce metrics $d_i(x,y)=\lVert x-y \rVert_i$ and those again induce the topologies $T_i$. How can I show $T_1=T_2$?
I tried this: Take an open set $O \in T_1$ which means for every $x \in O$ there is an $\varepsilon$-neighborhood $B_\varepsilon(x)=\{y \in X \mid d_1(x,y) \lt \varepsilon\} \subseteq O$. Then by the equivalence of norms there are scalars $c,C$ s.t. $c d_1(x,y) \le d_2(x,y) \le C d_1(x,y)$.
I want to show that there is a $B_\delta(x) = \{y \in X \mid d_2(x,y) \lt \delta\} \subseteq O$ too.
How do I need to choose $\delta$ so that this is true?
 
12:48 PM
@philmcole I'll give you two ways to do this
Way 1: Take $U$ open in $T_2$. Then for each $x\in U$ you can fit a $T_2$-ball by definition. Show that you can then fit a $T_1$-ball, so it's $T_1$-open. Repeat with $T_2$ and $T_1$ switched.
Way 2: Show that metric spaces are first countable. Then show they are sequence spaces. Then, since the two metrics have the same convergent sequences, they have the same open sets.
 
Way 3: ask on the main site :-)
 
@0celo7, why $1\ne 0$ assumed in definition of field, but not in definition of ring?
(I know that there is only one ring where 0=1)
 
@Silent because of conventions
 
oh :)
 
Fighting spam with spam makes you @Secret look like a spam bot, right?
 
12:58 PM
then what I can do, nothing?
 
just put'em on ignore
end of story
 
but what about other new users, they will still be affected by the spam?
There's no global shadowban option in the entire SE chat system to force all users to ignore a certain spammer
 
new users will have to learn for themselves
 
fine
 
1:17 PM
@0celo7 Thanks I'll try way 1
 
1:27 PM
@philmcole you should do both, sequence spaces are important
 
ok
 
I have a very naive algebraic geometry question: if $f:X\to Y$ is smooth, then $\Omega_X\otimes_{f^{-1}\mathcal{O}_Y}f^{-1}\Omega_Y^{-1}\simeq \Omega_{X/Y}$. Is this still true if one of the fibres of $f$ is singular?
 
@Secret well, I suspect that we could do so if someone has previously indicated that constantly posting the same problem links here is distracting and irritating
but I frankly don’t care enough to do more than Ignore and move on. ( Perhaps I should, since it’s not a good model for new users, but i just can’t be arsed)
 
1:44 PM
@Semiclassical tfw this paper has 3 references in a row that are not in the bib
 
Ok great, somehow I cannot find Ted's telling 193319 to stop spamming question post in the transcript again, guess nothing can be done until some time in the future someone else complains about it
 
I owe someone I met here a proof that $\displaystyle W(x)=\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{(-n)^{n-1}}{n!}x^n$
'Cause I started describing the proof last night but I couldn't remember all the details
 
@Secret well, you could also prod them yourself :)
 
Nov 6 '17 at 19:46, by Ted Shifrin
@user193319: Continually spamming us with stuff from main is not a good idea.
 
Well, that’s not exactly recent
 
1:51 PM
Ok, but that's the one I am talking about
hmm...
 
For some reason I'm finding this page really funny
5
 
Voluminiously covering lemma is uttered roughly with a day spacing of 3-9 days, and the distribution tends towards more on the smaller end
I guess that is enough to qualified as spam?
 
I could read that problem but I'm really not in the mood for measure theory
 
even mick don't post the same question on main that frequently
 
I keep getting nosebleeds
Isn't that a sign of brain cancer
 
1:55 PM
no
it's a sign to go see a doctor
 
I don't trust doctors
 
not even for a check-up?
 
Apr 12 '16 at 1:18, by Ted Shifrin
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Oct 3 '13 at 1:27, by Pedro Tamaroff
@TedShifrin NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
4 mins ago, by s. patroller
no
 
;-)
pedro has stopped coming here for quite awhile...
 
@AkivaWeinberger, In proof that $7+\sqrt[3]{2}$ is algebraic number, how do we derive polynomial $(x-7)^3-2$ when showing $(x-7)^3-2=0$ has root $7+\sqrt[3]{2}$ ?
 
2:08 PM
$x=7+\sqrt[3]2$
$x-7=\sqrt[3]2$
$(x-7)^3=2$
$(x-7)^3-2=0$
Therefore, if $x=7+\sqrt[3]2$, then $(x-7)^3-2=0$
and so $7+\sqrt[3]2$ is a root of $(x-7)^3-2=0$.
Note that this technique will not work for things like $\sqrt2+\sqrt[{\Large3}]3$.
At least, not without some modification of some sort
 
@AkivaWeinberger you are right! I am stuck applying the same technique for $\sqrt 3+\sqrt{-5}$algebraic: I get $(x-\sqrt3)^2+5=0$
While i want $(x^2+2)^2+60$
 
@Silent With square roots there's something you can do:
So expand it into
$x^2-2\sqrt3x+3+5=0$
$x^2-2\sqrt3x+8=0$
$x^2+8=2\sqrt3x$
Now, if you square both sides, you get rid of the root.
$x^4+16x^2+64=12x^2$
$x^4+4x^2+64=0$
 
@AkivaWeinberger, thank you so much
 
(Fixed a typo in which I thought $(\sqrt3)^2$ was $9$ by accident)
And then that's $x^4+4x^2+4+60=0$ (completing the square)
so it's $(x^2+2)^2+60=0$
 
:)
 
2:18 PM
Finding the minimal polynomial for $\sqrt[{\Large3}]2+\sqrt[{\Large3}]3$ would be significantly harder, due to the lack of square roots
(You can try it and see)
 
ok
 
did you notice @0celo7 some one deleted the conspiracy central room?
 
@s.patroller lmao
we aren't banned so it must have been a friend
 
yeah
 
@Secret Y'know, fighting spam with spam doesn't really help anything.
 
2:25 PM
1 hour ago, by s. patroller
Fighting spam with spam makes you @Secret look like a spam bot, right?
 
the wise patroller
 
raining all day...ridiculous
 
better than snow
 
2:28 PM
@AkivaWeinberger I don't think what I did constitutes 'spamming.' You might have noticed from the link Secret furnished us with that I posted those links at most once a day, if at all. Moreover, I recently put a bounty on each question, so I was trying to garner for those questions as much exposure as possible, lest I lose reputations without receiving an answer.
 
@s.patroller Whoops, didn't see that. In any case, I've cleaned up a bit.
 
deleting hour old messages is completely ridiculous
 
What is up dramalertnation
 
it helps those who are looking through the transcript
 
@BalarkaSen I sent you two urgent messages
 
2:30 PM
I don't want to look through the inbox. What's it about
 
You don't want to look through the inbox?
How many messages do you get?
 
over 9000
 
Over nine thousand
Flip
skull is 2 fast
 
Unfortunately, since I'm not a frequent visitor of either the site or this chat, I don't have much to say on whether user193319 is spamming. That said, I would think that most people who might notice a message in chat promoting a bountied question would also have seen it on the main site anyway.
 
@0celo7 Is it the experimental metric geometry thing
I can't do any math atm sorry
Got to keep taking exams
 
2:33 PM
thanks for your concern @El'endiaStarman
 
@BalarkaSen not now
after your exams
 
Depends on what happens at the exam
If I get rekt I probably will abandon math
 
-_-
and do what?
 
be an electrician or something
 
no way Balarka can do engineering
he'd have to wash
@BalarkaSen what scores are you getting on practice exams
 
2:38 PM
Not too bad. These admission exams are not standardized tests like SATs though so I doubt that counts for much.
It's more like an Olympiad level thing
 
how long do you have to sit for?
 
I'm taking two of them: on one it's broken up into 2 hours on the multiple choice and after a break, 2 hours on the subjective thing. On another it's all at once in 3 hours
(two admission tests for two different unis, i meant)
 
ok
best of luck pal
 
Thanks
 
@BalarkaSen the idea of this paper is to take a singular minimal surface and unfold the singularity into a gromov boundary using a skin transform
 
2:43 PM
that sounds like a fucked up blowup
 
I can't tell if it's really technical or just the usual Gromov insanity
 
why tho
@0celo7 who is this by
 
@BalarkaSen because PSC heredity is ruined by minimal surface singularities and this is one proposed method to deal with it
this is one of 5 papers on it
the first of 5 papers
apparently h principles come into play somewhere
 
Wait I have heard of Lohkamp
 
from me
 
2:46 PM
Ah
 
I've been meaning to read this paper for months
I thought it would be better to understand Schoen and Yau first, but I have come to doubt what they're doing is correct
I emailed one of Rick's students with some detailed questions, I hope I get an answer
in the meantime I'll look at this insane guy's stuff
 
rip. onto gromov at last
 
@BalarkaSen This paper might be too GMT heavy for you, but if you want to read the scalar h principles paper and tell me about it that would be awesome too
 
I'd like to do that after 15th next month, say.
Shoot me the paper
 
Will do
gtg, cya
 
2:49 PM
bubye
 
2:59 PM
@BalarkaSen do you use dropbox?
 
3:12 PM
@0celo7 Let $\alpha=\frac12i$, then how to show $\Bbb Z[\alpha]$ dense in complex plane?
 
Show it contains arbitrarily small reals and arbitrarily small pure imaginaries
 
ok
 
@BalarkaSen discord
 
3:27 PM
@AkivaWeinberger $(1/2i)^n$ lies in $\Bbb Z[\alpha]$ for all $n\ge0$, so, we see that it has arbitrarily small (negative) real (for n even), and arbitrarily small (positive) purely imaginary (for n odd). Since rigs closed under subtraction, and contain 0, we see, it has arbitrarily small real and purely imaginary numbers.
 
Well, $n=2,6,10,\dots$ are gonna be negative real and $n=0,4,8,12,\dots$ are gonna be positive real
but yeah essentially
So how does that help you?
 
How to proceed from here to show that every open ball inn complex plane has an element in $\Bbb Z[\alpha]$?
@AkivaWeinberger I see that unit ball with center zero contains a point in Z[α]
 
Approximate the real part and imaginary part of $z\in\Bbb C$ separately. Remember that you also have multiples of these arbitrarily small numbers.
 
$\lim_{ x \to 2^+} \dfrac{[x-2]}{\log(x-2)}$
Where [.] represents the floor function (always)
The numerator tends to 0
and denominator to -infinity
What do I do then?
@LeakyNun Could you give it a look?
 
 
2 hours later…
5:55 PM
@TedShifrin bonsoir
 
Bonsoir, comment ça-va?
 
ca va merci
j'ai besoin de votre aide, la question est trouver les valeurs d'adhérence de la suite $w_n=sin(n\pi/4)\sin(n\pi/2)$
j'ai remplacé a chaque fois n par 0,1,2,3,...
 
Si on prend la suite $1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,\dots$, quelles sont les valeurs d'adhérence?
 
et j'ai trouvé 3 valeurs qui revienne a chaque fois $-\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2},0,\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}$
 
oui, précisément ... mais il nous faut la définition d'une valeur d'adhérence.
 
6:01 PM
$l$ est une valeur propre sii $\forall V\in \mathcal{V}_l, card\{n\in \mathbb{N}, w_n\in V\}=+\infty$
je n'arrive pas a retrouver toutes les valeurs dans des sous suite
$w_{2k}=0, k\in\mathbb{N}$
 
Est-ce qui'il faut que $w_n \in V - \{l\}$?
 
non c'est pas valeurs d'accumulation
 
OK, ça va. Alors, il n'y a que les trois valeurs, n'est-ce pas?
 
oui
mais regarder comment ca change
 
Fini.
 
6:06 PM
$w_1=w_7=w_9=w_{15}=w_{17}=w_{23}=w_{25}=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}$
 
Il n'y a que ces trois numéros qui puissent être limites ...
 
si je considère $w_{8n+1}$ je retrouve $w_1,w_9,w_{17},w_{25}$ comment retrouver $w_7,w_{15},w_{23}$
 
o..o
 
Je ne comprends pas. Il y a beaucoup, beaucoup, beaucoup de sous-suites ... mais la plupart ne convergent pas ...
hi mercio
 
hello
 
6:09 PM
je ne peux pas résumer en sous suite ?
 
Il ne faut pas considérer chaque sous-suite possible! Il faut tout simplement penser.
 
il n'y a pas marqué sous-suite dans la définition de valeur d'adhérence
 
@AkivaWeinberger LOL, DogAteMy.
 
comme pour $z_n=sin(n\pi/4)+\sin(n\pi/2)$ j'ai trouvé dans un livre : on remarques que les sous-suites convergentes sont: $w_{4n}=0, w_{8n+1}=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}(1+\sqrt{2}), w_{8n+1}=1, w_{8n+3}=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}(1-\sqrt{2})$ d'ou les valeurs d'adhérences @TedShifrin
il faut que je fasse comment l'a fait l'auteur pour cet exemple
 
moi j'aime bien comment la suite $w_{8n+1}$ a deux limites en même temps
pourquoi te sens-tu obligé de faire comme l'auteur ?
 
6:15 PM
ya un -
c'est ce qu'on a demandé de faire
 
@Vrouvrou: Et si je te donne la suite $w_n = (-1)^n \frac1n$, tu fais quoi?
 
@TedShifrin pour n paire et n impaire !
 
Pourquoi?
Il y a toutes sortes de sous-suites ...
 
quand il dit "les" sous-suites convergentes à mon avis il veut plutôt dire "des" sous-suites
parceque sinon, énumérer toutes les sous-suites convergentes ça peut être un peu long
 
oui des sous suites
 
6:17 PM
Il faut justifier qu'on a trouvé toutes les limites possibles.
 
comment faire ?
 
De temps en temps c'est très, très difficile ... mais pas dans ces cas-ci.
 
(et puis dans le cas des suites périodiques, ben moi je regarderais juste pour quels V est-ce que $\{n \in \Bbb N, w_n \in V\}$ est infini parceque c'est pas bien compliqué)
 
Pour l'exemple que je t'ai donné, il ne faut dire que $|w_n|\to 0$.
 
mais je cherche les valeurs d'adhérences
 
6:19 PM
Si je prends $w_n = \sin(n\pi/2) + (-1)^n\frac1n$ ?
 
je ne sais pas
 
Eh bien ... il faut chercher ...
 
on nous a dit de suivre l'exemple du livre j'essaye de faire pareil , je vais reflechire a l'exemple
 
Mais le livre doit toujours justifier qu'on a trouvé toutes les valeurs d'adhérence!
 
non meme l'exemple au cours ne justifie pas
 
6:23 PM
dans ce cas là tu peux dire qu'il n'ya aucune sous-suite convergence sans rien justifier et prier pour que ce soit juste
 
et on nous a dit qu'on voit (-1)^n on pense dirrectement n paire et n impaire
 
on vous dit jamais de faire des dessins ?
 
pas ici
 
Oui, il faut des prières :P
 
vous ne voulez pas me montrer comment faire
 
6:26 PM
tu prends la droite réelle
tu marques les points d'abscisse $w_n$
et tu regardes les endroits où ils s'accumulent
 
mais un dessin n'est pas une preuve :P
 
certes mais ça donne des idées
par exemple si tu vois que y'a un intervalle
où y'a qu'un nombre fini d'occurences de la suite
ben tu peux alors chercher à le montrer pour de vrai
ce qui exclut l'intérieur de l'intervalle de l'ensemble des valeurs d'adhérence
montrer qu'une valeur n'est pas une valeur d'adhérence, c'est facile il suffit de trouver un intervalle autour où $\{n \in \Bbb N, w_n \in I\}$ est fini
la difficulté c'est qu'il faut souvent faire ça pour plein de valeurs en même temps
montrer qu'une valeur est une valeur d'adhérence c'est un peu plus dur puisque qu'il faut donner une sous-suite convergente
mais c'est en faisant un dessin que tu sais qu'est-ce que tu dois prouver pour quelles valeurs
en gros les étapes c'est
1. dessiner
2. observer les valeurs d'adhérence
3. montrer que ce sont bien des valeurs d'adhérence
4. montrer que le reste n'en est pas
mais l'étape 2 est importante pour savoir qui tu traites dans la 3 et qui tu traites dans la 4
c'est quand même un peu bête de faire ça à l'aveuglette
ah mince j'croyais que c'était vrouvrou qu'avait dit "mais c'est pas une preuve"
 
 
1 hour later…
7:38 PM
what is an "abuse of notation"? can you give me some examples?
oh! nvm, found it
 
@0celo7 Hey I couldn't reply earlier. How exactly do I show that the $T_1$-ball fits in the $T_2$-ball?
I tried this in my initial question too but I got stuck finding this $\delta$
 
8:07 PM
@philmcole $\|x\|_1\le C\|x\|_2$
 
yeah
8 hours ago, by philmcole
I tried this: Take an open set $O \in T_1$ which means for every $x \in O$ there is an $\varepsilon$-neighborhood $B_\varepsilon(x)=\{y \in X \mid d_1(x,y) \lt \varepsilon\} \subseteq O$. Then by the equivalence of norms there are scalars $c,C$ s.t. $c d_1(x,y) \le d_2(x,y) \le C d_1(x,y)$.
8 hours ago, by philmcole
I want to show that there is a $B_\delta(x) = \{y \in X \mid d_2(x,y) \lt \delta\} \subseteq O$ too.
So we have $d_1(x,y) \le C d_2(x,y)$
 
$B^1_{\delta/C}(x)\subset B^2_\delta(x)$
 
Is this because if $d_1(x,y) \lt \delta/C$ then $d_2(x,y) \lt \delta$?
 
yes
 
How exactly can I show this?
It makes sense but I want to write the actual inequality
 
8:12 PM
Maybe I have things backwards. In a class, writing a talk, and reading a paper sorry:P
But something like that does work, guaranteed
 
okay :) thanks
 
You either multiply or divide by some $C$
Just take $x=0$ and think about normed spaces here
 
yeah
 
So you want $B^1_\eta\subset B^2_\delta$, for $\eta=\eta(\delta)$
take $y$ with $\|y\|_1<\eta$, find $\eta$ so that $\|y\|_2 <\delta$
use the fact that $\|y\|_2\lesssim \|y\|_1$
so $\|y\|_2\le C\|y\|_1< C\eta$, set $\eta=\delta /C$
 
by finding $\eta$ such that $\lVert y \rVert_2 \lt \delta$ you mean finding $\delta(\eta)$?
 
8:16 PM
no
$\delta$ is given
 
okay
 
you find $\eta$ such that $\|y\|_1<\eta\implies \|y\|_2<\delta$
 
right
 
$\eta=\delta/C$ works, where $C$ was defined (correctly) this time
 
Yeah I had it the other way around :P
But I get confused all the time with the order
Got it now thank you
 
8:18 PM
I had it backwards too, but now it's right
np
@philmcole you can (morally) think of equivalent norms saying you can sandwich a norm-2 sphere in between two norm-1 spheres, and vice versa
and you can choose the relative sizes in a uniform manner
 
wow I think I'm not able to understand this geometrically yet
We just started topology
 
hello everyone
enjoy phil, it's only my second semester learning topology and it's really different from other maths
different-feeling I mean
 
8:38 PM
Nice yeah I can imagine it having less concrete numbers :)
 
what do you mean by that?
i mean I agree it becomes rather abstract
but so can algebra
though I'm still not sure what's NOT algebra, in general
 
In my multivariable calculus course we still deal with a lot of concrete number examples I mean, calculating integrals and stuff...
 
Oh, sure
you're undergrad?
as math becomes more advanced, you see fewer numbers, in my experience. at least in pure math, not applied math
the benefit of the abstract approach is that then "regular numbers" becomes a consequence of the abstract theorems, but not vice versa. so an abstract result is strong er in that it tells you about numbers and about things more general than numbers
 
anyone here familiar w/ random walks
 
Yeah still undergrad :P
 
8:46 PM
but the downside of that benefit is that it becomes harder to intuitively understand
sometimes
so you go to topology and you find out
that any set that has a concept of continuous functions is a topological space
but that there are all kinds of sets that have a concept of continuous functions that aren't exactly like the sets youre used to
 
Yeah. So far I like it it's not to difficult to understand and there is some intuition too
Things like group or ring theory seem to me very abstract
I like the non abstract topics more
 
group theory is very very imporant in the context of toplogy though
 
As far as you can talk about non abstract in math :D
 
Continuity is a silly concept. Really, we should worry about boundedness. Thus bornologies are better than topologies.
 
Xander, blasphemy
 
8:49 PM
@AkivaWeinberger hello
 
Bornological spaces are the bestest spaces!
 
when you start talking about loops and holes and areas/volumes, you're gonna consider groups all the time in topology phil
 
@XanderHenderson large scale shill
 
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