Agents of Absence

phantom42

02:58

chad coleman joining arrow

user116211

04:35

watched Beast Boy only in Teen-Titans.

Ankit Sharma

05:57

@phantom42 hahhahahha

I was tricked

How many new vigilante arrow adding, i heard 3 Wild dog, Vigilante and Artemis

Looks too messed up

@KutuluMike Are they like power ranger with less creepy villain and plain uniform?

Ankit Sharma

07:21

twenty one pilots: Heathens (from Suicide Squad: The Album) [OFFICIAL VIDEO]

►

My fav song now

Dr R Dizzle

07:36

Oh god, has anyone seen the new Suicide Squad character posters yet?

Ankit Sharma

which one

?

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma Any of them.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle that cartoonish one, i love that

Dr R Dizzle

New Suicide Squad character posters.

They're so gaudy.

Ankit Sharma

Can't see the link

uplaod it here

Dr R Dizzle

07:39

There are 9, I'm not doing that.

That's the general aesthetic they all go for though.

Ankit Sharma

Dr R Dizzle

I like this one;

But all the character posters are horrible.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle that one is bleh, cartoon one were better

@DrRDizzle looks good

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma Well there are about 8 more like it, one for each member of the Suicide Squad. And they're all awful.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle awful i don't think so, good no.

Dr R Dizzle

07:44

@AnkitSharma They look like something a Tumblr user would have whipped up in 5 minutes in between episodes of Steven Universe.

Ankit Sharma

But i am too much invested in the film

@DrRDizzle that could have been a good idea

But end result is bleh

Dr R Dizzle

By the way, it's worth looking at the progression of the logo for Suicide Squad over time as evidence for the films shifting tone.

I believe that they are from the first, second and third trailer respectively.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle I don't care if they changed it or not. I am more interested in final product

And i am quite positive and now i even love soundtrack

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma I don't think it's going to be anywhere near as vibrant or fun as the latest marketing would indicate. And I'm worried that the reshoots are going to be really, really obvious.

@AnkitSharma I don't care that they changed it, I care that they are pretending that this has always been the plan when it quite clearly hasn't.

Ankit Sharma

I liked all the trailers from start, so it's fine to me

@DrRDizzle whatever

Lie don't hurt me bad film do

Dr R Dizzle

07:51

I think I'm more skeptical of Suicide Squad than most though.

Ankit Sharma

You are always skeptical when it'd DC and too positive when it's MCU

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma Well Warner Bros keep making bad films, while Marvel Studios keep making good ones. Blame Warner Bros, not me.

Also, my skepticism this time comes from having seen a few David Ayer films, not from the fact that it's a DC movie.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle I have tasted bad from both plates

@DrRDizzle I am judging it from trailers and they are good.

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma But you can't just ignore the previous works of the director. They will obviously tell you what you might be able to expect.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle I have seen stuff from debut director based on trailer and loved it later on.

Dr R Dizzle

08:03

@AnkitSharma Obviously I'm not expecting you to judge a new director on his previous work, dude.

Ankit Sharma

09:04

@DrRDizzle His precious work is not my cup of tea, so i can't judge it on the basis of the film which i don't follow

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma I don't understand. If you don't like someones previous films, that's a perfectly valid reason to adjust your expectations about their latest film.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle I don't like the genre not the film

I don't judge the film which i have not seen

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma But he's done a few different genre's now, including war and cop.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle I know and answer remains the same

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma Fair enough then, I guess. There are entire genres you dislike?

Ankit Sharma

09:09

I don't follow war/cop/military/spy film. With some rare exceptions

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma They aren't my favourite genres or anything, but I can think of some excellent films that fit into each category.

You're doing yourself a disservice by ignoring them.

Although having said that, I don't watch romantic comedies, so I'm being a bit of a hypocrite.

Ankit Sharma

I rarely enjoy anything from those genres , so i go for it as a last option. But i do appreciated few like Saving private ryan, captain Phillip, shindler list

Schindler list is my all time fav

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma I've never seen it. I really need to fix that.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle Yeah you should.

My top two fav film about nazis are Schindler list and life is beautiful. Schindler list serious business but life is beautiful is quite emotional and sometime funny too

I think both won oscar

Dr R Dizzle

My favourite film about Nazis at the moment is Inglorious Basterds, I think. Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Arc or Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade comes second though.

Ankit Sharma

09:20

I want to see Inglorious Basterds but i am scarred of accents

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma Scared of accents? What do you mean?

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle I don't understand all the accents and from trailer it doesn't seems like a plain american accent film

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma As in, you can't understand what they are saying because of their accents?

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle I mean i can understand most of the hollywood film but when i try something from UK or Germany, then i don't get there slang, sarcasm, jokes and sometime miss few word due to different pronunciation and accents

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma Would subtitles help?

Also, just so you know, Inglorious Basterds is a Quentin Tarantino film. It's an American movie, even if it starts Brits and Germans.

Plus, it's got Zemo in!

And Magneto!

And Nick Fury narrates it!

Ankit Sharma

09:31

lol

k

but what kind of accent used ?

@DrRDizzle I do go for them when i have issue

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma Various throughout. Brad Pitt has a broad Texan (?) accent, Christoph Waltz German, Michael Myers is explicitly British.

Ankit Sharma

wow, i seriously need subtitle then

My backlong is increasing too fast

Dr R Dizzle

I'd still recommend it, especially if you like Tarantino's other films.

Ankit Sharma

Not into Tarantino that much but will give it a try later

Loong

@AnkitSharma Are you looking for cliché Nazis or historical, realistic Nazis?

Ankit Sharma

10:20

@Loong I don't care about historical accuracy that much when I watch a film

small bit of here and there is fine to me

Loong

If Schindler’s List and Life Is Beautiful worked for you, you could try The Boy in the Striped Pajamas.

Ankit Sharma

@Loong I heard about it but didn't got my hand on it and then forgot

phantom42

11:07

jamie chung cast as valerie vale on gotham

oh god. ankit did you just ask about character tags?

what were you thinking

KutuluMike

on meta?

Green Obie

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Q: How were all of Wolverines bones covered with Adamantium?

Ok so in the X-Men Origins: Wolverine movies we see clearly for the first time how his bones became covered with Adamantium but it raises another question... Who were all of his bones covered with Adamantium? If you watch the scene you will see that there are only a few places (on the major bon...

0

Q: How were Wolverines joints not frozen when he was injected with the Adamantium?

So if we think about it they just poured liquid Adamantium over Wolverines bones but should it not have pooled and locked his joints like glue does in you put to on something movable?

marvel-comics marvel-cinematic-universe wolverine x-men-origins-wolverine

phantom42

12:01

@KutuluMike yes

granted, i went stupid and chimed in on a meta question as well

Himarm

12:21

@DrRDizzle brad pitt is doing a tennesse/appalachian mountains accent in inglorias bastards

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Q: In which accent does Lieutenant Aldo Raine (Brad Pitt) speak?

I don't know if Stack Exchange is the right place to ask this question but I am very keen to find out: Which accent has Brad Pitt adopted in the movie Inglourious Basterds for the role of Lieutenant Aldo Raine?

speech accent movie

i only know that because living in tenn, meeting mountain folk, he nailed it pretty good, though most of the mountain folk butcher the spoken english language worse then ankit and i together type it

phantom42

@Himarm the one time you're supposed to misspell a word, you don't.

Himarm

i googled appalachian

because i spelled it appilcation

phantom42

@Himarm wrong word

Himarm

I CANT BE PERFECT

Himarm

12:53

byran cranston playing zordon in the powerrangers reboot

Ankit Sharma

13:09

@phantom42 That was genuine concern

@Himarm ROFL

...

I had other ideas too like "WTH few question have x character tag when the question is about y character and movie tag is already there?"

But now i will let the dead cat rest on the couch to save the glorious front page. I don't know why comment went to front page when my second suggestion was tag merge which never affect front page.

phantom42

13:30

@AnkitSharma yeah, but character tag discussions tend to end... poorly.

we tried for a long time to get them under control

or to come up with some sensible guideline for usage

Ankit Sharma

Why teh hell we have characters, character-motivation, character-development, female-characters and character-similarity??

phantom42

because our tagging rules make no sense. nor do our users seem to want them to.

Ankit Sharma

Comments were

@Ixrec - I'm still waiting for the tiniest scrap of evidence that retagging stuff helps anyone. — Valorum 6 hours ago

@ankitsharma - I haven't seen any evidence that retagging results in anything other than low-value edits crowding new posts off of the front page. — Valorum 6 hours ago

phantom42

that's a different conversation about whether or not anyone should bother fixing them

Ankit Sharma

And i agree with none of the answer

phantom42

13:34

versus "should there be rules to begin with?"

Ankit Sharma

Dizzle said burn everything and other answer said keep everything

I am a DBA and i know the value of standardization.

phantom42

we now have ajax and pet

rock-music

gideon

take-on-me

Ankit Sharma

What purpose familiar serve ?

phantom42

familiars are common elements in fantasy works

but pretty much...none

Ankit Sharma

ok

Even nobody bothers to merge superman/clark kent and green arrow/Oliver queen

Maybe due to spoiler ?

phantom42

13:39

/shrugs

was there a request for merging them?

Himarm

well both arnt exlussive right?

green arrow doesnt always have to be oliver queen

Ankit Sharma

@phantom42 You have not read my meta post....grrrr....., it clearly have that meta link

phantom42

i glanced at it this morning on my way out the door

Ankit Sharma

@Himarm then i need 4 tags for roy harper. arsenal, speedy-roy-harper, red-arrow and roy-harper

phantom42

not going to bother going into that hornets nest

Himarm

13:42

roy harper is stupid tho

Ankit Sharma

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Q: Should [clark-kent] be a synonym of [superman]?

The clark-kent tag has four questions and the superman tag has 341. Should clark-kent be a synonym of superman, or is there value in having both tags? The only similar situation I could find is that tom-riddle is a synonym of voldemort. There is no bruce-wayne tag. I didn't make any attempt to s...

discussion tags tag-synonyms

phantom42

@AnkitSharma actually, we have at least one user who would make that argument

Himarm

hes a minor character

user132126

@AnkitSharma Needs 2 more people that can actually vote on it to get approved.

Ankit Sharma

@Himarm i think rule was 10 question per character not minor / major

@CreationEdge that is not impossible.

phantom42

13:44

the argument is that someone may not remember arsenal's real name, or may not know roy harper is arsenal, or that he's red arrow or speedy, or whatever, so the question should be tagged with multiple things in case they're searching

user132126

@AnkitSharma No, there's no rule like that, really, it was a suggestion

Ankit Sharma

Just fixed up your answer; I suspect it's being downvoted because people disagree rather than because it wasn't in good English, but no harm in making sure. — Rand al'Thor ♦ 1 min ago

ROFL

user132126

@phantom42 Tag search!

Ankit Sharma

8

Q: Did the Winter Soldier and Black Widow programs ever interact?

The Winter Soldier and Black Widow programs were both Soviet operations where citizens were modified and brainwashed into near-superhuman assassins and used for espionage and enemy elimination. Both were in use from soon after World War II right up to the fall of the U.S.S.R. In either the Marve...

marvel-comics marvel-cinematic-universe captain-america-tws russian black-widow

what are thoughts about this tagging ^

Himarm

what is this russian tag

lol

user132126

13:46

Exactly.

phantom42

@AnkitSharma russian needs to go

user132126

I was like "Whut? WTF? lol no"

phantom42

i could make the case either way for TWS

Himarm

or russian tag needs to just be "Media created in Russia,using the Russian language "

phantom42

really, it's the wrong tag, but i dont think we have a tag for the TWS program

nor do i think we really need one

user132126

13:48

Black-widow also should be removed, too, because it's it's about the program, not the character, and the tag is not about the program.

user132126

IE, it's not talking about Bucky and Natasha, it's talking about the operations that created them.

Ankit Sharma

I want to remove Russian tag but i don't want people to come after me amd i am not going to raise meta for every single tag issue

user132126

That's our environment here, now, raise a meta about everything or do nothing

phantom42

@AnkitSharma and this is why mike and i just stopped trying to help fix tags

i'll add/fix universe tags and story-id tags, but that's it

everyone wants a mess? have at it.

Ankit Sharma

@phantom42 but that's not possible with old questions too

user132126

13:50

It's not even just a mess they want, but an argument

3

phantom42

mike's criteria seemed to have been going well as an objective measure for character tags, and then all of a sudden it got huge backlash after we started using it

it wasn't perfect, but it was about as good as anyone could come up with

user132126

It frustrating that it's just a handful of us even involved with the discussion, but we can't come to a middle-ground?

phantom42

but yeah, ad hominem attacks abound when tag discussions come up

user132126

And I feel like policy is sometimes more about who you like rather than what's better for the site.

phantom42

@CreationEdge i felt like a middle ground had been reached. then all of a sudden, everyone reversed

user132126

13:54

Let's blame chat. :D-

phantom42

or at least, no one was super opposed to the proposal going in, and then suddenly everyone came out to say it sucked after we started implementing

user132126

This whole Nolanverse thing only came up because stuff started hitting the front page a lot, and that seems to get people riled up.

user132126

I need to restart. brb

phantom42

@CreationEdge where do you stand on spy-fi?

for me, that's the real rub. spy-fi is off topic, but nolanverse is on topic.

KutuluMike

@phantom42 I'm afraid you need to provide me concrete proof that spy-fi is off-topic. Charts and graphs and spreadsheets, plz.

phantom42

13:57

@KutuluMike i've got your charts and graphs right here, buddy

KutuluMike

no spreadsheets?

phantom42

nah, too lazy

Ankit Sharma

lol

I hate blur lines and nolan trilogy vs spy-fi is a big blur line

phantom42

do we actually have a meta saying "this version is on-topic, so all versions are" (e.g comics-batman is, so all batmans are)?

i know we've discussed it in chat before, but i don't recall an actual meta ~~post~~ argument

Ankit Sharma

I don't know

user132126

14:08

@phantom42 I just mentioned this in mos, actually

user132126

in Mos Eisley, 26 mins ago, by CreationEdge

@DrRDizzle I think some spy-fi definitely doesn't qualify, but some does, so I have a hard time making any blanket statement, even internally, about them.

user132126

And 14111's answer here addresses a lot of the "issues" people have with Bond-style stuff:

user132126

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A: Is James Bond science fiction?

I believe most of the denizens of this stack exchange consider James Bond to be off topic, for no logical reason. None of your "things that place it outside the genre" carries any weight whatsoever. no aliens, alternate universes, time travel etc. Most science fiction stories have no ...

user132126

My question is... What does it hurt? Do we really think we're going to be flooded by Mission Impossible and James Bond questions? Is that realistic? I dunno.

Himarm

we have 10 upvotes saying james bond is on topic

in a dupe though

user132126

14:11

But a dupe of a policy that's fairly well inclusive.

phantom42

@CreationEdge that's fair. saying a genre is definitively on/off can get squirrely. to my knowledge, the bourne movies never get really sci-fi in any way. but bond and MI do (MI, maybe moreso)

Himarm

the first scene of MI he takes off a perfect mask

user132126

The Piers Brosnan Bond movies got really sci-fi, but I never watched them.

user132126

An invisible car?

Himarm

a giant space lazer that can destroy anything

is the theme to die another day

with 2 people who have complete face and dna changes

fingerprints the works

thats pretty sci-fi ish to me

halley barry

ontopic

Jack B Nimble

14:16

Didn't Bond travel to space once, to like a moon base or something?

Himarm

welp

theres the shared universe questions

next will be a straight up should we make spyfi ontopic

phantom42

that covers shared universes, but what about same franchise, different universe?

e.g. batman

user132126

@Himarm It'll get closed as dupe.

user132126

Which is stupid and circular.

phantom42

i see rand wants to

which is awesome

user132126

14:25

Where at?

phantom42

because for the past 7 months, everyone has been saying gilles' old guidelines are no longer good enough

but then he says gilles answer covers it

If it's set in an on-topic universe, it's on-topic. <--- does that answer the question? — Rand al'Thor ♦ 5 mins ago

Himarm

thats exactly why i asked this question meta.scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/9549/…

we the people of sci-fi fantasy are not the people who started this site

dam near all of them have quit

we shouldnt have to deal with circle jerk closes to re-ask questions settled by dead people 5 years ago

phantom42

@Himarm or they've been "exiled"

Himarm

the weirdest part of all of this, is that our mod hasnt seen any sci-fi movie ever made

phantom42

i dont mind continuing to use gilles guidelines, but you can't say they're no longer applicable when you don't like them, but that they are when it's convenient for you

Himarm

14:30

marvel dc starwars nope

user132126

When I read Gille's answer, it seems pretty clear that there's leeway towards spy-fi, and it already can be on topic.

phantom42

hadn't he not even finished the books he's named after? or am i thinking of someone else?

Himarm

thats him too

phantom42

@CreationEdge gilles answer was very inclusive

Himarm

its been a year and a half since he said he stoped reading them

at book 10 out of 14

@CreationEdge its that little line about animals that pissed me off about gilies answer, or rather how our people handle that line /sigh

user132126

14:33

Ergh, this stupid SDK... I'll BBL

KutuluMike

@phantom42 and yet, when I had the nerve to ask if we needed to revisit our guidelines and make sure they still represented community opinion I got skewered

"Can you provide me some concrete evidence that making these on-topic hurts the site?"

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that's now my automatic response to every meta question.

phantom42

i'm just going to alternate between "42" and "spoon"

maybe throw in an occasional "rum"

Jack B Nimble

14:49

Yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me.

phantom42

15:23

@mazurka - If it wasn't for all the liberal nay-sayers, nuclear power would be really awesome, practically limitless and dirt cheap. — Valorum 11 mins ago

wtf

KutuluMike

...

when he gets political is when i really remember he doesn't live in the US

Dr R Dizzle

I didn't realise nuclear opposition was a leftwing stance.

phantom42

@DrRDizzle generally, it's not

Dr R Dizzle

So what's he on about with the phrase "liberal nay-sayers"?

phantom42

US liberals typically want 100% renewable power, or nuclear as an alternative.

nuclear is definitely not the "liberal" option, but many are open to it

@DrRDizzle hell if i know

it boils down to liberals wanting to get away from fossil fuels. beyond that, depending on how left you go, you start balancing wind/solar and nuclear

this is a gross simplification, of course

Himarm

15:34

newsmax.com/US/gallup-americans-oppose-nuclear/2016/03/18/id/… its less favorable by dems and more favorable by reps but apperently the majority of the US are moving agaisnt it

Dr R Dizzle

For the record, I support the use of nuclear power.

Himarm

basically the american public supports the cheapest option currently natural gass

Dr R Dizzle

@Himarm Holy shit, the comments.

Himarm

i dont look at news comments anymore

thats like going to 4chan

sometimes worse

phantom42

@Himarm because we keep giving coal subsidies

Himarm

15:40

most of my state is nuclear, seems safe to meee

californa was having a big fit over nuclear energy wernt they?

the rest of the country doesnt seem to care

Ankit Sharma

@KutuluMike Maybe i can use it in reverse ;p

KutuluMike

there's a higher percentage of liberals that are anti-nuclear power than conservatives.

but the difference is not really significant.

Himarm

that recent poll i found said it was like 54 rep, to 34 dem

KutuluMike

but on the other side, liberals also tend to be slighty better educated on average, and better-educated people tend to be more pro-nuclear power.

so it really depends on exactly how you ask.

but there's a heavy anti-nuke faction among, e.g. Greenpeace and similar groups, and those are very heavily liberal.

they skew the results.

having said that, plenty of conservatives are also anti-nuke, so it's just an idiotic point.

Himarm

15:57

it would have been better to say the hippies block nuclear power

KutuluMike

it is also a stance that has changed a lot.

every time there's a nuclear accident (TMI, Fukushima) there's heavy liberal backlash against building more plant.

it's been what, 5 years since the last one, so people are starting to dial back on the knee-jerk reaction.

phantom42

the real question is what this all has to do with the nolanverse

Himarm

that sci-fi ish nuke they made in 3

phantom42

but i mean why bring it up as part of the conversation

bringing up the nuke is one thing.

bringing up the politics is another

KutuluMike

oh. there is no point. he just likes to pick stupid fights.

he's practically the textbook definition of a troll

that's not even getting into the stupidity of the claim that nuclear power is 'dirt cheap' and 'practically limitless'

Himarm

16:06

Were having a company picnic for lunch

were outside and its raining

oh joy

KutuluMike

its not raining here yet.

wait 5 minutes, it'll change

Jack B Nimble

16:22

It almost always rains when we have outdoor events at work, or it is super windy.

phantom42

it can't rain all the time

KutuluMike

tell that to the UK

Jack B Nimble

Heh.

I live in a desert, it doesn't rain all the time, usually only when we schedule events outside.

phantom42

17:04

tag rollback war! scifi.stackexchange.com/posts/127476/revisions

Jack B Nimble

I vote against a russian tag.

KutuluMike

17:23

...

there is a hilarious conversation going on in meta chat

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 21 secs ago, by Shog9

OH: I want Thaddeus to moderate the entire Internet

Loong

:-(

KutuluMike

That would actually work awesome... as long as you knew what topics to never ever talk about :)

its like impossible to make that guy angry... 95% of the time.

phantom42

based on the things that make him angry, i don't think that 95% of the time thing would hold true given responsibility over the internet

Himarm

5% more like

phantom42

things like 4chan or any comments on blogs or news articles would destroy that in a second

KutuluMike

17:33

that's true.

i am mostly amused by the repeated contention that Mos Eisley should be held up as a standard for chat rooms. on SE>

phantom42

is there a law like godwin for how fast/inevitably internet comments go racist?

KutuluMike

"we used to be terribly terribly awful. we got treated like 6 year olds for a while, and now we're only a tiny bit terrible. look how awesome we are."

Himarm

usually you call someone stupid, then some sex term, then racist

thats my progression at least

with a few added obesenties at each stage

Jack B Nimble

We wouldn't have these problems if Mike and I were moderators. We'd have, like, a whole different set.

Himarm

everyone would be dead to you for one thing

easy to moderate dead people

phantom42

17:40

is it? do zombies follow directions well?

KutuluMike

moderators have nothing to do with it.

because everyone's a moderator in chat.

did having kevin and keen and ferret and thaddeus keep mos from degenerating into a chaotic mess?

when I abandoned Mos, the general sense of the room was that I was terrified of saying things for fear that it would be flagged by someone as "over the line"

from a few persusals of their transcripts I don't get the impression it's any better.

Himarm

read between 10pm-4-5 am on the weekend when stealerfans on

KutuluMike

even in here I don't talk normally because it still feels like an SF/F chat room.

Himarm

its all baseball chat code words for sex

KutuluMike

shit I would say in a heartbeat in the screening room or bridge or SO chat I censor myself in SF/F chat.

^--- that, for example

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