Agents of Absence

Ankit Sharma

06:14

@DrRDizzle Superman never interpreted as super smart and he has weakness like soft heart and green Kryptonite. But marvel had this kind of character too which are too strong, every omega level mutant is like that. Captain marvel too. And DC do have character stronger then superman too time by time.

And flash is always faster then superman.

@RogueJedi not able to open it, it redirects to black after few seconds.

Dr R Dizzle

07:53

@AnkitSharma Superman is meant to be one of the smartest beings on Earth. See this answer from @Thaddeus.

@AnkitSharma But Marvel's super strong OP characters are either a) so unstable that they can't use their powers properly, b) not "main characters" in the universe or c) uninterested in helping as they see it as below them. When your universes main character can do everything, I see little reason to form a team.

Ankit Sharma

08:12

@DrRDizzle yeah but they seems more annoying to me. Like Reed Richard's son, who can resurrect 100s of people at same time and have power at the level of galalactus

Then those omega level mutants

Scarlet witch, Professor x's son

But yeah i do agree most of them doesn't give a dam to important problems and mostly they more create problem then solving

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma Because they have flaws and issues and depth. I think that's probably the main reason I prefer Marvel to DC in general - the heroes of Marvel feel more real, more human than the characters of the DC comics

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle more real......no. More relatable maybe but its more opinion based.

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma I meant that they feel like real people (bar the superpowers), whereas DC don't have that for me.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle i never care if DC use fictional city name and marvel use real and try to be more human. I only care about my entertainment.

And i do like hero from both the teams but overall i like DC more.

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma I'm not talking about the names of cities or things like that, I'm talking purely about the people that the comics focus on. They have issues and flaws and moments of weakness that I don't think the DC heroes really do, especially not Superman.

Ankit Sharma

08:30

@DrRDizzle except superman, other do have this issues.

Arrow, batman etc

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma Batman has one issue, the death of his parents. Other than that (which is pure back story) he has no depth, nothing that makes him feel as if Bruce Wayne could be a real person. Batman is always the most boring part of Batman stories.

@AnkitSharma Admittedly I don't know a thing about Oliver Queen though.

Ankit Sharma

09:00

@DrRDizzle wwwhattt...????

@DrRDizzle spider-man had the same problem too, death of his uncle. Iron-man don't have any problem then his own self.

@DrRDizzle on the side note serious != boring

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma Yeah but Peter Parker has developed since his origin thanks to the death of Gwen, his marriage, his relationship with with Aunt May, his friendship with Tony Stark etc. Bruce Wayne doesn't change.

@AnkitSharma I didn't say it does.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle he change then he reboot, then he again change after again a reboot. And he is not married anymore or did he married again?

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma I'm just talking 616 Peter, not films.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle his marriage with MJ is removed from continuity long ago and i am also talking about comics. Reboot means soft reboot like identity revelation then reversal etc etc

And the lamest thing octopus took peter's body. Why? Why don't take body of some more powerful character ?

Spider-Man: One More Day

"One More Day" is a four-part, 2007 comic book crossover storyline, connecting the three main Spider-Man series concurrently published by Marvel Comics at the time. Written by J. Michael Straczynski and Joe Quesada, with art by Quesada, this story arc concludes the fallout of Spider-Man's actions during the 2007 Civil War crossover. "One More Day" starts in The Amazing Spider-Man #544, continues in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #24 and The Sensational Spider-Man (vol. 2) #41, and concludes in Amazing Spider-Man #545. After his Aunt May has been shot, Spider-Man seeks help to save her life. He...

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma Spider-Man is really powerful though.

Ankit Sharma

09:12

@DrRDizzle are you talking about that lame totem thing?

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma What? No, I'm talking about his physical strength and Spider Sense.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle he maybe cool but he always win fight with his intelligence not power

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma But all of these things add to to create a more complex character. Hell, the fact that he is poor alone makes him more interesting to read about that Bruce "I have all the money and no problems" Wayne. Bruce Wayne is a power fantasy, but Peter Parker is an actual character. And that's what I see as the main difference between DC and Marvel - power fantasy vs characters. I'll take characters every time.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle i am poor ...i am poor... seems more boring to me.

And money doesn't solve all the problem, he do have problem but not money but more mature ones.

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma Mature like beating the piss out of a clown?

Ankit Sharma

09:16

His story with joker are way better then clone saga or spider verse

@DrRDizzle you must be a fan of spider island, clone saga and spider verse?

@DrRDizzle clown........omg. Never go for villains, DC villain are always more developed then marvel.

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma I don't read individual character comics. I have a lot of Avengers and New Avengers comics, and all the big cross overs since Avengers Disassembled though.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle then how do you even understand those stories?

I think you skip a lot, mostly crap which make you like them more

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma DC has some villains that are better. I like The Joker as an antithesis to Batman, but there is nothing about him that is developed or nuanced. He isn't a character, he's a plot, an issue to be overcome.

@AnkitSharma I read a lot on Wikipedia to catch up with things I don't know about.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle except loki i like none of marvel villain. But in DC i like Lex, joker, riddler, reverse flash, grood , Darkseidetc etc etc.

@DrRDizzle he is not a character but a plot.......what.....?

@DrRDizzle anyways i really want to see which is your favorite villain from DC and marvel both.

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma The Joker is unchanging, unpredictable and defined by his determination to mess with people, whether that be by bursting a child's balloon or attempting to drive someone insane. He isn't a character, he's a reaction, a black mirror to the heroes that he faces. He has no motivation or personality or characteristics beyond messing with people. He's not a character.

@AnkitSharma Are you talking films, cinematic universes or comics?

Ankit Sharma

09:29

@DrRDizzle any

overall

@DrRDizzle being insane is also a personality.

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma I disagree.

Ankit Sharma

He was refreshment as a villain, not like revenge driven villain which have nothing more to them after some time and then turned into lame.

On the other hand Joker doesn't have to stick with rules and that made him do different things without looking off.

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma From the MCU I really like Loki, Wilson Fisk, Grant Ward and Arnim Zola. From Marvel Comics I really like Magneto. From non-MCU Marvel films I like Spider-Man 2's Doc Ock.

@AnkitSharma From DC comics I like Bane, mostly from the "Knightfall" comics. From non-DCEU films I like The Joker from The Dark Knight. I don't like anything from the DCEU yet.

@AnkitSharma He was invented in 1940, and hasn't changed since. That's hardly fresh.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle DCEU doesn't even came yet to be precised.

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma What?

Ankit Sharma

09:42

@DrRDizzle Man of steel was always like a attempt (same like green lantern). They left some nodes but frenchise can't be called like this till atleast 2 films comes

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma You asked what I thought overall, and overall I think Man of Steel was a bad film, including the motivations of bad guy General Zod. That's the only reason I mentioned it. It's part of the DCEU.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle i got your point and yeah I don't like Zod either. Neither did i liked any Iron man film villains, ronan, melkiath etc etc. Loki was good for sure. Don't know about Ward but filmverse Zola seems nothing good to me, did he appeared in tv series too?

And i liked Wilson Fisk but i liked him way more in Animated series of 90s

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma I like Zola. He's slimy, and very much in the background. I think he might be important in Agent Carter season two, but nothing has been confirmed yet.

@AnkitSharma I liked Obidiah Stane, but Iron Man 2 wasn't a very good film, and Iron Man 3 was way more focused on moving Tony forward as a character than it was on having a good villain. I'm OK with that.

@AnkitSharma Also, until it was revealed that he was really Trevor Slattery, The Mandarin was shaping up to be a great bad guy.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle for magneto i think film verse megaton is not that good as comics. And those two version doesn't transit that smooth either. And that loopholes are too many to still ignore

@DrRDizzle i liked Kingsley but the final twist was like ewww for me.

Even in the good movie like Winter soldier villain still sucks and winter soldier might have potential but till now he had done nothing much.

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma The Winter Soldier himself was great, but it is the way that the story progresses around him rather than him as a character that make it that way. Marvel Studios are more about the heroes than the villains - and that works for me.

Ankit Sharma

09:55

@DrRDizzle WInter soldier was no more then a prop and bucky was no more then extra.

So he need a good story to become next big thing. And i can't digest what rumors are suggesting him to become.

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma It's all part of the on-going, long form character development that Marvel Studios does best.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle till now they are very bad at it, so "best" is overrated word here.

Falcon, winter soldier and hawkeye were not developed well/yet. Black widow development was very weird too

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma I said long form. Take a look at the way that Tony Stark, Steve Rogers and Natasha Romanoff have changed over the films they have been in - to a lesser extent, Bruce Banner fits that criteria too.

@AnkitSharma Bucky Barnes is really interesting, I'm looking forward to seeing what the MCU does with him.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle Bruce for me still need a individual film to develop more. Natasha except winter soldier were side hero at best. Tony is good but seems bit repetitive. Bucky......no

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma We've seen Natasha go from the ultimate detached spy, not caring what the mission is, to a character who wants to make a real difference to the world, a character who has gone from "I can be whoever you want me to be" to "I'm ready for the world to see me as I am". She's really well developed over the course of Avengers Assemble, Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Avengers: Age of Ultron, and I'm guessing her arc will continue into Captain America: Civil War.

Ankit Sharma

10:15

@DrRDizzle Age of ultron where she turned helpless lame again

And her relationship with hulk was too under developed and forced that it appeared lame.

Dr R Dizzle

10:36

@AnkitSharma There was nothing forced about it, it made perfect sense. She says herself what she likes about him - "Here's a guy who walks away from the fight because he knows he'll win". That urge to be with someone who doesn't need to prove himself comes from the fact that Natasha desperately wants to prove herself - she's got red in her ledger, after all.

@AnkitSharma When? She was kickass in Avengers: Age of Ultron.

Ankit Sharma

kickass :O when

I think we watched different cut of film

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma Whenever she has to do anything. She kicks ass at Strucker's base at the start of the film, she kick's ass when Sokovia is under attack and she kick's ass in Korea when she chases Ultron down on a motorbike before jumping out of a plane and surfing the cradle into the Quinjet. She even has kick ass quotes - "I'm always picking up after you boys" as she grabs Captain America's shield.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle that dialogue seance was good but rest it was not near to winter soldier. And during ultron fight she was no more then extra or a heroine need saving.

Dr R Dizzle

10:52

@AnkitSharma She never needed saving in the Ultron fight. Hulk drops her off in the middle of the action and she starts taking Ultron bots out all over the place, saving civilians (take note, Man of Steel) and even stealing a truck and running Ultron bots down at one point. Even in the church at the end while they to to protect the thing in the middle, shes there kicking ass and taking names. She's awesome.

phantom42

leaked promo art showing ant-man's new costume for civil war

> In a promotional art leak that appears on the article, Ant-Man's suit features a few omissions and a few modifications. There are some designs that have been removed, like the red stripes on his forehead, and the jawline has been made to converge into a single mouthpiece. Perhaps this design is more of a combative design for his armor.

also, his belt stuff is gone

more leaked promo art

Dr R Dizzle

@phantom42 I honestly wouldn't have noticed the difference.

Ankit Sharma

11:07

@DrRDizzle didn't she captured? And her kicking was just full house fight scens only, she doesn't shine that much in it till you are Scarlett Johansson's fan

@phantom42 looks more like a comic cover.

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma Getting captured doesn't make you less awesome. James Bond has been captured how many times? So has Ethan Hunt.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle i am not in james bond.

Or MI

And that are different case.

And i just mentioned it because you said she was so ""kickass"" in film

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma Why is that different? A kick ass character is a kick ass character regardless of if they end up getting captured.

@AnkitSharma You aren't in Avengers: Age of Ultron either as far as I know.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle I don't like spy genre but it has nothing to do with superhero genre. And i just don't like age of ultron because it didn't do justice to its big budget and it seems incomplete and messed up here and there

Dr R Dizzle

11:23

@AnkitSharma This is a woman who has worked for all the top spy agencies in the world, a woman who survived not one but two encounters with The Winter Soldier, a woman who not only escaped the Hulk but went on to make him care about her, a woman who fought off an alien invasion, a Nazi threat from within SHIELD and the robot apocalypse without any super powers. That, my friend, is a kick ass woman.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle if i have hulk in my team i can also do that :p

And she had nothing to do with alien invasion and for robot invasion even quicksilver was better then him ( but he was also lame in his ownself)

Speedster killed by bullet .....burrrr....

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma She killed a ton of aliens and was the person who actually managed to shut down the portal, as well as the only person who could manage to get information from the God of Mischief. Black Widow kicks ass.

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle she was a good supporting cast in Avenger but kickass no

Except Winter soldier she was never in limelight

Dr R Dizzle

@AnkitSharma You don't have to be the main character to be kick ass. She's well developed and does tons of cool stuff. That makes her kick ass.

Ankit Sharma

11:39

@DrRDizzle can't agree with that.

Dr R Dizzle

12:11

@AnkitSharma Well that's stupid. So Neville Longbottom isn't a good character?

Ankit Sharma

@DrRDizzle but i will not say he is kickass awesome character but i will say he is a supporting character , that's it.

phantom42

Ankit Sharma

@phantom42 lol

phantom42

more appropriate?

Dr R Dizzle

12:30

@phantom42 That Loki one is killer.

Ankit Sharma

13:00

No joker is better :P

Is that penguin next to him

phantom42

yes

Dr R Dizzle

13:45

I don't know how I became known as the guy who loves Marvel and hates DC. I love The Dark Knight so much, I don't really read comics and I go see nearly every single film that is released. It's not my fault that Man of Steel and (what I've seen of) the DC CW shows sucks.

phantom42

16:02

@DrRDizzle i'm pretty sure it is.

in fact, i think we'll start blaming you instead of richard.

Mike Edenfield

16:13

DC has CW shows?

:)

in all seriousness... you don't like Arrow of Flash?

they're two of my favorite shows in TV right now

Dr R Dizzle

17:19

@MikeEdenfield I tried with Arrow, I really did. But 8 episodes in and I still couldn't tolerate anything about the show. Admittedly, I haven't had the chance to watch Flash yet, but I have other things that are higher on my list

phantom42

17:47

arrow definitely took a bit to find its footing. the flash, on the other hand, hit the ground running (no pun intended).

Mike Edenfield

17:58

Arrow definitely goes in waves.

the first half of the season is almost always worse than the second half

cuz they spend the first 2-3 episodes beating you over the head with the philosophical message of the season.

Season One: I'm here to save my city.

Season Two: I'm paying the price for my sins

Season Three: I'm being a better person.

Season Four: Finding Light in the Darkness

Dr R Dizzle

19:21

@MikeEdenfield Well I can't just jump into where it gets good, that would kill me, and I'm not sitting through that shite again. I guess Arrow just isn't for me.

Meanwhile, did anyone catch last nights episode of Agents of SHIELD?

Mike Edenfield

you know.

rewatching S1 of Arrow again, and I realized something.

they tried to make Oliver look like a total jackass when he turned down Moira's offer to be a QC executive.

phantom42

i wouldnt personally call the front half of arrow s1 "shit", but it was definitely not as good as the second half. same as AoS, and AoS took way longer to get "good"

Mike Edenfield

like she was giving him some kinda huge gift and he was just spitting all over it.

but he has an incredibly excellent point.

from Moira's perspective: he didn't spend the last 5 years going to business school. He spent it on a deserted island not speaking to other humans

and her response is "you've been back at least a week. ready to be CEO of a billion dollar company yet?"

Dr R Dizzle

@phantom42 I was invested in Agents of SHIELD from the start thanks to it's links to the MCU though - I don't have that with Arrow.

Mike Edenfield

and his totally honest reply of "Walter is doing just fine, and I'm totally not qualified" is played off like a dick move.

Dr R Dizzle

19:32

@phantom42 I think it was Olivers whiny spoilt bitch of a sister that really put me off the show. I couldn't stand her.

Mike Edenfield

@phantom42 also, i wasn't really claiming Arrow was ever "bad". I find Arrow consistently better on average than SHIELD so far.

phantom42

@DrRDizzle young thea is kind of meant to annoy the hell out of you

Mike Edenfield

SHIELD was terrible then got really good then got kinda sketchy then got lot better then etc.

Dr R Dizzle

@MikeEdenfield I said it was shite, I think he was referring to that.

Mike Edenfield

I know.

Arrow kinda ranges from "mediocre" to "really good"

SHIELD ranges from "unwatchable" to "amazing"

long term though SHIELD is getting to be overall better.

Dr R Dizzle

19:34

@MikeEdenfield I'm actually rewatching season one of Agents of SHIELD at the moment. It's not quite as bad as people like to claim - being able to ignore the shows poor attempt at making us like characters that by now we already like means you can just pay attention to the individual stories, which were compotent at worst and really quite good at times.

phantom42

young thea is ollie 5 years ago. she's meant to juxtapose.

Mike Edenfield

I'm still not sold on Red Arrow, tho.

phantom42

watching in hindsight with knowledge of what's coming, AoS works better because it's laying what's now an obvious foundation. watching the first time through though, it was easier to say, "this is crap"

Dr R Dizzle

@phantom42 Yeah, but made me actually turn the show off. If that's on purpose, then it is damn good writing but kind of not the way to build an audience.

Mike Edenfield

I think not having her go ape-shit crazy right away after the Lazarus Pit was a mistake.

Dr R Dizzle

19:36

@phantom42 Agree 100%.

Mike Edenfield

@phantom42 but you can say that about Arrow, too. knowing where he ends up and particularly where the team ends up makes it easier to suffer through the cliche crap from the early season episodes

I'm a sucker for "guy with secret identity ends up finally telling people his secret" moments though.

which is clearly why I like Flash so much.

Dr R Dizzle

@MikeEdenfield Is that why you like Flash so much? I heard he does it all the time.

phantom42

@MikeEdenfield sure, but the difference, imo, is that we know m.tanch/jed were weaving around TWS. arrow, as far as we're aware, was just them floundering and responding.

Dr R Dizzle

@MikeEdenfield Oh.

Mike Edenfield

@phantom42 this is true.

@phantom42 although... I have to wonder how much of that TWS excuse is just that...

an excuse for the show taking a while to get its footing.

Dr R Dizzle

19:38

@MikeEdenfield I would say it's an excuse. I like the show, and I'm saying that. There was no foreshadowing to Hydra, no nods about the past or anything.

phantom42

@MikeEdenfield absolutely possible

Mike Edenfield

like, they really had no way of making that build-up work better?

or they just knew they didn't have to try?

phantom42

they would have done better to just push the show back a year

Mike Edenfield

cuz the moment TWS came out they would get a ton of publicity from it and have a built-in reason to tell everyone "hey come on back!"

phantom42

but i think they sold the show, and it was "the hell with it, we got the money, let's go"

Mike Edenfield

19:39

@phantom42 I think that having the HYDRA reveal happen before the show started would have ruined it.

phantom42

well, i assume they would have designed the show completely differently

Mike Edenfield

They would have been better off if they could have gotten an entire pre-HYDRA season

but obviously that was way out of their hands.

BTW: my favorite Arrow scene so far. I sometimes just come back and watch it:

Arrow 3.13 - Oliver Tells Thea He's The Arrow

►

phantom42

> No copyright infringement intended.

/rage

Dr R Dizzle

@MikeEdenfield Apparently the Russo Brothers originally wanted to use Coulson, not Sitwell, as the secret Hydra agent.

Mike Edenfield

1. it took him 2.5 seasons to tell her, so it was meaningful; 2. he manned up and did it voluntarily; 3. they completely avoided the reaction everyone knew she was going to have.

@DrRDizzle even though in TWS he's dead?

Dr R Dizzle

19:43

@MikeEdenfield He's back by then.

phantom42

only comics-dead

Mike Edenfield

@DrRDizzle in the movies, he's still dead

Dr R Dizzle

@MikeEdenfield Guh, that stupid out-of-context Joss Whedon quote.

phantom42

how is "he's dead in the movies" out of context?

Mike Edenfield

Joss Whedon might have said it but no other director has gotten him into their movies either.

he wasn't in TWS

unless the Russo's manage to get him into Civil War

which I've seen no indication of. I think if Clark Gregg was within 150 miles of a filming location for Civil War we'd have heard about it.

Dr R Dizzle

19:46

@MikeEdenfield It's clear as daylight that as far as actual canon goes, Coulson is alive in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Multiple characters have crossed over to and from Agents of SHIELD.

phantom42

i get whedon's point, but i think it's shortsighted and very "it's my ball"

Mike Edenfield

I would have gotten Whedon's point if he wasn't so final about it.

phantom42

no one has crossed from agents of shield yet.

Mike Edenfield

if he was more "we're leaving him out of the movies for now because it cheapens things and because the Avengers need to trust SHIELD or blah"

Dr R Dizzle

@phantom42 Agent Sitwell into Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Dr. List into Avengers: Age of Ultron.

Mike Edenfield

19:48

i mean obviously if Marvel wants Coulson back in a movie whoever's directing it will put him in. Marvel is notorious for firing directors until they find one that'll toe the line :)

phantom42

sitwell was in the shorts first

Mike Edenfield

Sitwell started on the movie side, technically.

phantom42

list, i'll give you, but he's a blink and miss

Dr R Dizzle

@phantom42 Oh, I was talking about characters doing things in Agents of SHIELD that carried over into the films, not characters being introduced.

Mike Edenfield

List was in TWS

before he was in AoS

Dr R Dizzle

19:49

@phantom42 Dr. List was in Captain America: The Winter Solider, one of the post-credits scenes.

phantom42

ok, so we'll discuss stories that have gone aos -> mcu. what do we have aside from project insight?

Dr R Dizzle

@phantom42 Couslon and Co finding the location of Struckers Base and notifying Maria Hill.

@phantom42 Sitwell leaving the base to go to the Lemurian Star (?) - the boat at the start of Captain America: The Winter Soldier.

phantom42

sorry, not insight. that was the TWS project. i'm thinking of the lemurian star project.

i suddenly forget the name

Dr R Dizzle

I think that might be it?

phantom42

or whatever the name is of the ship they raised for ultron

Dr R Dizzle

19:52

@phantom42 Oh yeah, that too. Theta Protocol?

phantom42

sorry. doing like 8 things here.

sounds right

but heres the thing. all of these things are like extra gap fillers. they're nice fleshed out backstories to the MCU, but they're 100% unnecessary, evidenced by the fact that these backstories are completely ignored in the movies

they're just in the castle

fury just shows up with the ship

the average viewer is fine with those explanations

Dr R Dizzle

@phantom42 The average viewer would be fine with a substance that makes people stronger too. The fact that Centipede turned out to be part Extremis is ultimately irrelevant - but it's still connective tissue, the kind of thing that makes a shared universe feel shared.

phantom42

not arguing that. just saying that the value is definitely more heavily weighted on one side

Dr R Dizzle

@phantom42 I don't disagree. It's also not something I actually want to see change.

Mike Edenfield

I am ok with it up to a point

but the longer SHIELD goes on without the movie side even acknowledging that there is still a SHIELD out there, it gets silly.

If SHIELD is still on the air when Inhumans is being filmed that'll be a big factor for me.

phantom42

20:03

especially now with the inhumans and some major world-impacting storylines hitting

Dr R Dizzle

@MikeEdenfield Apparently Inhumans might be being cancelled.

Mike Edenfield

I heard that was a false rumor

from many sources.

but there is tension there

phantom42

even most of the stories that ran saying it were updated saying it's unlikely to be cancelled at this point

Mike Edenfield

because the movie side that's working on the Inhumans proposal is antsy about TV showing too much

Dr R Dizzle

@MikeEdenfield I heard it was a rumour, but not that it was ever disproven

Mike Edenfield

20:04

the quote that kept coming back was "If you see Black Bolt on AoS then you'll know the movie is dead"

phantom42

drew from hitfix asked someone specifically and it was denied

link was posted in chat hereyesterday or day before

Mike Edenfield

but you can't do that movie anymore and pretend TV didn't happen.

Dr R Dizzle

@MikeEdenfield You easily can. Inhumans probably won't even be set on Earth.

Mike Edenfield

at least with Civil War you can ignore the fact that millions of people are gaining super-powers at the same time because there will be enough heroes to deal with.

depending on where they pick up the story, I would assume the moon.

phantom42

2 days ago, by phantom42

> I went directly to an unimpeachable source, who told me that the film division is still planning to make the film, and there are certain elements of the “Inhumans” universe that have been declared off-limits to the “SHIELD” people as a result.

Mike Edenfield

20:07

but even still... how do you have an Inhumans movie and not talk about the fact that Terrigen was released into the Earth's ecosystem and tons of new Inhumans are popping up all over.

phantom42

bleedingcool.com/2015/10/10/…

Mike Edenfield

i mean that's essentially the New Inhumans storyline in a nutshell.

Dr R Dizzle

@MikeEdenfield Who says they even know it has happened? If they are in the same sort of area as Guardians of the Galaxy it wouldn't need explaining.

phantom42

don't the inhumans normally live on the moon in the comics?

Mike Edenfield

Atillan moves around.

phantom42

20:09

like.. our moon?

Mike Edenfield

but yeah I think lately they've settled into the Blue Area of the moon.

I think Atillan got blowed up at some point and released Terrigen Mists into the Earth

the only other place they've really been is Hala. which would be in the GotG area of space

but they only went there I believe for a very short period of time, and under extreme duress, and went right back to Earth ASAP

Dr R Dizzle

@MikeEdenfield Any chance that we've seen that planet very recently on Agents of SHIELD?

Mike Edenfield

Actually I think a better guess for that would be Kree-Lar

the original Kree homeworld, but I believe destroyed in war and mostly abandoned

Dr R Dizzle

@MikeEdenfield I just googled it. Kree-Lar is a city on Hala.

Mike Edenfield

there is also a planet Kree-Lar

Dr R Dizzle

20:14

@MikeEdenfield Wow, reaaaaaaaal original, Kree.

Mike Edenfield

although I think that might have been a mistake.

I think someone might have just used the wrong name for the planet in some series.

The Marvel Universe wiki says:

> Planet Kree-Lar, Turunal system, Greater Magellanic Cloud

but Hala is in the Pama system.

one of those nobody-pays-attention things, I'm guessing

I dunno it's confusing and I haven't read enough cosmic stuff to know.

but yes my assumption is that the planet Simmons was on is a Kree planet.

whichever it ends up being

Dr R Dizzle

@MikeEdenfield Did you watch the latest episode sorrY?

Mike Edenfield

not yesterday's

Dr R Dizzle

@MikeEdenfield I'll keep shuttum then.

Mike Edenfield

I'll watch it tonight.

I'm already angry that my DVR ate Doctor Who

teehee. I missed this the first time around:

Arrow 3x08 - Laurel meets Barry Allen

►

Dr R Dizzle

20:21

@MikeEdenfield Oh, it was actually a good one.

Mike Edenfield

> Oliver: Detective, this is..
> Lance: Bart Allen, right?

Dr R Dizzle

@MikeEdenfield I don't get it

Mike Edenfield

that's Barry

Dr R Dizzle

@MikeEdenfield I know that. Why is it funny that he got his name wrong?

phantom42

@DrRDizzle dc.wikia.com/wiki/Bart_Allen

Mike Edenfield

20:23

Because Bart Allen is Kid Flash and eventually Flash, and is Barry's descendant.

Dr R Dizzle

@MikeEdenfield Ok cool.

Mike Edenfield

though I think in the new 52 that's no longer true

phantom42

i havent seen it mentioned here, but mark hamill is confirmed to be showing up again this season

and i think i read that he's kidnapping barry's dad. so, it's a big 'ol flash reunion.

i wish that in the speed force vision thing last season, they would have shown the 90's version too

Mike Edenfield

interesting tidbit: In New 52, the Reverse Flash is actually Iris' brother and he's the one that goes around killing Speed Force users.

are we thinking Zoom is just Earth-2 Thawne?

phantom42

eobard?

would sort of make sense except for the dramatically different voice

Mike Edenfield

20:31

true.

I wonder if Jay Garrick is from Earth 2, Earth-2, or Earth Two

phantom42

he's from the n-zone

Rogue Jedi

I'm pretty sure Agents of Shield name-dropped the Muppets to drum up attention for the new show

Mike Edenfield

i watched muppets. it was cute.

i bumped NCIS off my DVR for it.

not that that's a terribly high bar to reach but there you go

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