@phantom42 Which is weird, because I learnt earlier that Disney own Epic Rap Battles.

rumor going around right now: (sorry, dont have a link ATM): dr strange's eye of agomotto is the container for the time stone.

@phantom42 People have been saying that for a while, but I've yet to see any evidence for that theory. It's pure speculation at this point.

rumor going around #2: Fox is going to scrap the Fantastic Four sequel and is already projecting a Deadpool sequel instead.

it had an 8% on rottentomatoes last i looked last night

only did like 26 million over the weekend, after a forecasted 43 or something like that. 120m production budget (not accounting for marketing). someone's losing their job.

the original forecast was $50... they dropped it down to $40 by Thursday and $30 by Friday

I think 8% is artifically low, though.

it's nowhere near as bad as some of the other comic movies in the double digits.

Howard the Duck and Elektra are both > 10%

that reminds me, I need to finish my blog post before I'm rendered dead to someone

@MichaelEdenfield They've actually already stated that they are "dedicated to these characters and the Marvel Universe we have created" in regards to FF. Doesn't mean much, but interesting.

I knew that, I think people are speculating that they're not going to get their own movie, though.

they'll try to integrate them into the x-universe

they might be dedicated to those characters, but this is 3 poorly-received movies in a row for the franchise, eventually they're going to give up

Plus, that "dedicates to these characters" line sounds like marketing speak for "no way in hell we're letting Marvel get them back"... though I'm not 100% convinced yet.

@MichaelEdenfield I can't see Fox letting the rights to FF revert to Marvel Studios at any point in the naer future, although people more knowledgable than me seem the think that after director Josh Trank tweeted about the version of the film he had a year ago being much better, Fox might have to rethink the franchise as a whole. For starters, the last thing they want to do is stick FF in an X-Men film if that might turn people off seeing it.

Additionally, the implication that there is a good version of the film somewhere might mean they release a Directors Cut, or a Rogue Cut-like version of the film in order to gain back public support.

What they don't want to do is let Marvel get the characters back and make an excellent film out of them - that would just make the executives at Fox look like bad businessmen and worse film makers.

@DrRDizzle you know what else does that? making terrible movies.

Yeah, I'm hoping for a Director's Cut, but Trank's comment implied that we'll never see that :(

The problem here is that 20th Century Fox is a public company; they have to do what they can to maximize profits.

@MichaelEdenfield we did get a DD directors cut though. it fixed a lot of issues.

I think most importantly, Fox are currently looking to make a live action X-Men TV show, which they need permission from Marvel to make. Depending on how much Fox actually want to make this TV show (and how badly Marvel want the FF rights back), I can see a deal being made where Marvel get FF and Fox are allowed to make the X-Men TV show.

@phantom42 did the director of DD seem to be in a huge fight w/ Fox over how much the f!@@# up his movie?

@DrRDizzle that's the one thing I keep hearing a lot of.

@MichaelEdenfield In an ideal world, Marvel Studios get the FF rights back and hire Joshua Trank to direct what ends up being the best film ever made in the biggest "Fuck you" the world has ever seen.

Fox may decide to cut their losses with the FF, because they have shown the inability to make money off them and if they keep trying their investory will riot. But they might be able to do a trade w/ Marvel and save themselves some face.

@MichaelEdenfield i'm not entirely sure how much vitriol there was, but i know that a lot of the cuts/changes were made by the studio.

@phantom42 Roughly 40 minutes of reshoots after Trank left the project, apparently

The fact that Trank pulled down his tweet does kinda imply that he's trying to place nicey-nice.

and then, of course, there's all the rumors of ed norton on hulk

@MichaelEdenfield The fact he made the tweet in the first place says otherwise

@phantom42 ?

@DrRDizzle yeah, TBH when I saw that tweet I was half expecting there to be someone else's name in the credits as director.

given how much of the movie he didn't direct

@MichaelEdenfield There are (denied) rumours that Matthew Vaughn had a hand in some of the reshot scenes

Director: Fox Executive Committee

@DrRDizzle slashfilm.com/the-truth-about-edward-norton-vs-marvel

@MichaelEdenfield Directed by Community♦

@phantom42 Interesting. I knew that Norton was unhappy about the lack of creative control he had over The Incredible Hulk, but I never knew things got that bad.

that was supposedly the reason why marvel didn't ask him back for avengers

@phantom42 I do always wonder what Avengers Assemble/Avengers: Age of Ultron would have been like with Norton. I like Ruffalo, but I'm still curious about how the same scenes would have looked with Norton.

Like, I'd have a harder time believeing him as a scientist equal to Tony Stark, but an earier time believing he struggles with The Hulk/

I kinda have to agree with Marvel on cutting the suicide scene... especially if it was right at the start of the film.

@MichaelEdenfield Just found this on the Wikipedia page for Fantastic Four.

TheWrap believed that the tweet may have cost the film $5 to $10 million during its opening weekend.

!

Imagine tweeting something that cost a major studio millions of dollars

The thing is, after seeing the film, I really believe him.

I want that power

@MichaelEdenfield I'm seeing it tomorrow hopefully.

I totally buy that he made a much better film and it got screwed in editing.

the first act of the film does a wonderful job of setting up a really good second and third act that never materializes

@MichaelEdenfield I've heard that the "One Year Later" placard may as well say "Please leave the cinema now"

I spent half the movie waiting for the good parts of the trailer to show up

Yes.

I timed it.

the showtime was 7:40

the movie went to shit at 8:40

For the first hour I was fully involved, wondering how the hell this movie got such bad reviews. and then, quite literally BOOM!

and then it sucked.

@MichaelEdenfield what is the status of that review?

@MichaelEdenfield I made a few copy edits, typos and what not.

I also completely reversed your position, you loved the movie and think everyone in the world should see it. I'm writing this as I lay in the pile of money that Fox Studios left for me.

Not exactly the most menacing photo of the punisher. comicbookresources.com/…

Lives up to his name?

More like Punishee

He looks mildly fed up

@JackBNimble it was mostly done but I didn't mean to submit it, I haven't proofread it yet.

speaking of not menacing, WTF is up with Apocalypse?

and, for the record, Tim Blake Nelson needs to never agree to act in a comic movie ever again

Heh.

the real question.. does this get filed under "review" or "bad-movies" ?

The X-Men franchise motto is turning into the Star Trek franchise motto: We Hate Continuity.

@MichaelEdenfield I think a "bad-movies" would spoil the entire plot while also making fun of everything.

This is just a review of a bad movie.

@MichaelEdenfield which one is he?

@phantom42 he played Dr. Sterns in The Incredible Hulk and he plays a newly-invented character in Fantastic Four... he mostly takes the role that General Ross plays in the Ultimate Fantastic Four series

I can't tell if he's genuinely a terrible actor, or if the material they gave him in those movies was just so bad that he couldn't manage to make it sound good.

At the very least, he needs to start picking better movies :)

@MichaelEdenfield Is he the guy who is in O Brother Where Art Thou??

that's it.

he seems to be a professional minor actor

:)

other than O Brother

@phantom42 it's pretty bad when one of the few good things I can think of to say about a movie is "At least they didn't try to show Kate Mara in her underwear"

@MichaelEdenfield i find myself very conflicted over this statement

on one hand, lack of gratuitous t&a. on the other hand, lack of gratuitous t&a.

I am also conflicted.

on the one hand, it would have been totally out of place, pointless, and a blatant cheap bid for attention.

on the other hand, it would at least have required her to go outside and be invisible

@JackBNimble I think it's as good as it's gonna get.

all yours

I can only promise to put as much effort into my review as the studio put into the movie

Affirmative.

Huh, I never use that 'more' markup.

I do because seeing whole blog posts on the front page annoys me.

especially if there might be spoilers in it

Oh, good call.

I don't think there turned out to be too many spoilers, other than some general "reeds character starts to suck" stuff

but no one's gonna go see this movie anyway so it's probably irrelevant

@MichaelEdenfield I will probably take your advice and wait for it to come to Netflix.

Based on the initial box office sales that should be in a week or two

I think the DVD goes on sale tonight.

Mr. Fantastic can morph his face to look like other people?

Is this a new power?

I'm not sure, though he really just looked like an older Mr. Fantastic

> Reed Richards, played this time around by "Divergent" actor Miles Teller, can now warp the space around his mass, appearing to make his body lengthen.

At least the other 3 largely kept their powers. They even showed how Sue can fly

actually, I might have lied... I don't remember Sue being able to make other things invisible?

huh. guess she can.

Is there any example of when a studio's meddling actually saved a movie, rather than hopelessly ruining it?

@MichaelEdenfield clearly the only way he could get someone like kate mara

@MichaelEdenfield She just made her career disappear.

i forget what it was, but i just saw a headline this morning that mara had just signed on for some new movie

@MichaelEdenfield does the interracial family thing feel natural or forced, etc?

@JackBNimble supposedly dredd. the story is that the director wanted the final cut to be far less action-filled. the studio locked him out of the editing room.

the butterfly effect is generally considered to have a better ending thanks to the studio demanding the new ending. i disagree, but that's just me.

@phantom42 barely mentioned and totally not an issue. One quick line about her being adopted

@JackBNimble I've heard of a lot of small incidents where the studio changed part of some scene, but I'm not sure about any where they basically re-shot the whole movie.

@phantom42 I heard the same thing, that the final film was put together by Alex Garland after the director was booted. Alex Garland then went on to direct the incredible Ex Machina, so I can buy it

HTTYD was originally a much more direct translation until the studio told sanders/debois to stray. the studio wasn't super overbearing there, but they made the writers/directors scratch everything

Its taken me since you posted that comment to figure out that HTTYD is How to train your dragon

@DrRDizzle I had to Google it.

sorry about that. HTTYD is a big thing in our house.

well, the movies, at least.

@phantom42 I liked the first one, not so much the second. But I dont think I'm the target audience.

in HTTYD 2 I felt like Hiccup's girlfriend was going to fall for the dragon trapper dude.

Since she spent the whole movie with that guy.

they already had someone pining for him (one of the twins).

OH SHIT YOU GUYS

dailymotion.com/video/…

@phantom42 As far as the movie is concerned, he doesn't get Kate Mara. There's absolutely no romantic subplot or hint of sexual tension at all. :\

wait. a movie without some random forced romantic subplot? what sorcery is this?

@DrRDizzle i dont do the chat-movie-viewing things, but that should totally be one of the group viewings.

@phantom42 I didn't say that. The random forced romantic subplot is Victor's infatuation with Sue that she doesn't share.

@phantom42 Yes, it should. I'd stay up for that.

!!\

@phantom42 Probably what killed it at the box office.

I knew I forgot to include something in my blog post. That was the movie I meant to reference re: shooting a F4 sequel without releasing it

I can't remember if I was banned from Marvel subreddit or not, but here goes.

I can't blame Victor. I also have an infatuation with Kate Mara.

@JackBNimble what have you been getting banned for?

aside from "nothing" which is a totally typical reason for being banned on reddit

@phantom42 Posting links. The nerve of some people, I guess.

Specifically, posting links to things related to either my webcomic or scifi.SE.

@JackBNimble How dare you add links to the largest collection of links on the internet

don't worry. it's reddit. someone else will post the same content in 20 minutes and get tons of praise for it.

I am basically a reddit terrorist.

oh my god they had the Fantasticar in the movie and they cut it

i forget the guys specific relation, but either the writer or something like that on chronicle came out saying that trank's success on that movie was a fluke

I'm a huge Marvel fan and I'm not even going to bother seeing the movie. I'll just wait the 4 months for a DVD rental. That should tell you something about hype and/or fan expectations.

@phantom42 He said the film itself was a fluke thanks to the complete lack of studio interference.

@phantom42 I read that as him saying that Fox fucked Trank over.

@phantom42 It was Max Landis btw

From what I've seen & read, the whole movie is just a twisted version of Ultimate FF anyway. I'll just go back and read those instead.

A twisted version of Ultimate FF would have been awesome.

Or I'll watch Rise of the Silver Surfer and keep pausing when nekkid Sue is on fire outside of Reed's window.

watching this B-roll is just making me more and more angry.

All of this is footage of them with their powers running around as a team and none of that crap happened in the movie

well, let's be honest. FF is a boring book. they were probably just trying to make it comic-accurate.

it's like someone at Fox went "this movie's 30 minutes too long, can we trim it down?" and someone else went "sure, we'll just cut that whole second out act"

@JackBNimble did you post a link to the SF&F blog to reddit?

@MichaelEdenfield Yes

cuz I dont' see it

oh, wait, it went direct to page 2 :)

@MichaelEdenfield Upvote it!

I would have to join reddit for that

Oh.

@MichaelEdenfield I've been told the magic happens if you can get 10 upvotes in the first hour or so, if that happens, you'll have a chance of critical mass. Otherwise, you just disappear into obscurity.

I upvoted.

that makes... 1

@MichaelEdenfield link so i can upvite?

@DrRDizzle reddit.com/user/raspberrypiejam

@phantom42 - I thought Ultimate FF was a nice spin on the 616 origins, but it started going downhill about halfway through the run.

reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/3ghpxm/…

@Omegacron They basically stopped having a Fantastic Four in 1610, but kept Reed Richards around anyway.

which I can't necessarily argue was a bad idea

What really blows me away is the Fantastick Four from 1602, which is really the 616, but only because the Captain America from 420 got sent to 616 before there were any heroes.

Sooooooo, it's the 616 but NOT the 616. Say what?

I think you guys are just making up numbers.

lol it's true

I prefer Captain America from 8675309

I prefer Captain Swagmerica, from Earth 42069360noscope

And weirdly enough, Steve Rogers from Earth-420 is practically immortal. so there's that.

@Omegacron Is that because he is constantly stoned?

stoned on some super-variant of the super-soldier serum, yea

Earth-420, a world without violence, but with extreme hunger.

@Omegacron I haven't gotten around to reading any of the 1602 series yet; I missed a few decades of Marvel and am still catching up :)

It's pretty good. Weird concept, but a good read.

it's annoying when I read something from like 2003 and recognize a question from here that already got answered.

I'm usually a little behind, too. I wait for everything to come out in TPB form

I'm just loading up Marvel Unlimited and churning my way through comicbookherald.com/the-complete-marvel-reading-order-guide

> With production chugging away at season four of The CW’s “Arrow,” two more have joined the show’s ever growing cast. Entertainment Tonight brings word that “Enlisted” star Parker Young has joined the series as a potential love interest for Willa Holland’s Thea Queen, while TheWrap reports that “True Blood” and “Hannibal” star Rutina Wesley has signed for a multi-episode arc.

i hope it's not a new love interest for thea. after everything with roy, that seems way too soon.