Agents of Absence

phantom42

04:38

HO-LY CRAP. It happened. Spider-Man will show up in the MCU.

> Under the deal, the new Spider-Man will first appear in a Marvel film from Marvel's Cinematic Universe (MCU). Sony Pictures will thereafter release the next installment of its $4 billion Spider-Man franchise, on July 28, 2017, in a film that will be co-produced by Kevin Feige and his expert team at Marvel and Amy Pascal, who oversaw the franchise launch for the studio 13 years ago.

> Together, they will collaborate on a new creative direction for the web slinger. Sony Pictures will continue to finance, distribute, own and have final creative control of the Spider-Man films.

> Marvel and Sony Pictures are also exploring opportunities to integrate characters from the MCU into future Spider-Man films.

Paul D. Waite

10:51

i:19989985 Oof, yeah, I don’t know if this sounds like a good idea. Apparently Sony retain final creative control over Spider-Man? Hasn’t that resulted in several iffy Spider-Man movies up until now?

I also note that July 28 2017 is the intended release date for Thor 3. Double-feature?

Ah — other dates are moving to accommodate: marvel.com/news/movies/24065/…

Paul D. Waite

11:56

But HOW does this fit in with Sony’s Sinister Six picture? This is the real burning question.

S S

12:35

It'd be awesome..

Think how Spidy would swing over Thanos in zero G in Avengers 2..

(removed)

Hahaha..

Keen

12:59

@PaulD.Waite I think this means Sony's previous Spidey plans are being scrapped. Sinister Six, Venom, Amazing Spider-Man 3, etc were Sony's version of the MCU.

Now they're likely giving up on that, so they can instead get Marvel's help.

Paul D. Waite

13:39

@Keen Right, right — the press release does say “the new Spider-Man will first appear in a Marvel film from Marvel's Cinematic Universe (MCU). Sony Pictures will thereafter release the next installment [sic] of its $4 billion Spider-Man franchise, on July 28, 2017”.

Sinister Six was announced for release on 11th November 2016, but I guess that would be an instalment (please note the correct spelling, Marvel) in the Spider-Man franchise, so presumably it’s either not happening, or has been pushed back to a later date.

phantom42

16:45

More details from WSJ. Have not seen this confirmed by Marvel press release yet, so adjust your level of trust as you feel appropriate.

> The new Spider-Man movie will mark a third creative start for the character following the initial trilogy of movies and two “Amazing Spider-Man” films starring Andrew Garfield, who will not appear in the new film.

> Sony will delay its planned release of “The Sinister Six,” about a group of Spider-Man villains, in wake of the new deal said a person involved in movie. It had been scheduled for release in November of 2016.

Paul D. Waite

17:01

I do like the idea that Amazing Spider-Man 2 is considered a financial disappointment because it pulled in a mere $700 million at the box office, especially considering it was released in April, sandwiched between Captain America 2 in March and X-Men DoFP in May.

I know it’s the lowest gross for a Spider-Man movie, but come on.

phantom42

Keen

17:53

@phantom42 Good, that matches other things I'm seeing. io9's post has a rumor that Garfield is out. Which implies that the Amazing universe is just gone entirely.

phantom42

@Keen Well, remains to be seen what they end up doing with Sinister Six, since that seems to still be on at the moment.

Keen

@phantom42 That'll be interesting. I bet it ends up cancelled, or completely redone, since they can't depend on the stuff from ASM2.

Color me skeptical. I doubt we'll get a Sinister Six in the next 2 years.

phantom42

Understandably.

Paul D. Waite

18:09

See Marvel doing a Sinister Six movie, I can believe they might make it work. Sony, not so much.

But yeah, it’d be surprising if they could even manage to fit it in. Their previous plans, and their re-jiggered plans including the joint Spider-Man picture, have them doing two movies a year (like they have since 2013) until 2018, when they’ve scheduled three.

phantom42

My guess is that for the foreseeable future, Marvel is just going to act as big brother hovering over Sony and guiding them, but staying out of the day-to-day production.

They've got too much on their plate with the rest of their previously planned films.

Keen

@phantom42 I'd agree, except they're shuffling some of the Phase 3 movies, which suggests that the new Spider-man films will be pretty well incorporated into the MCU. If it's not going to be off as its own thing, then Marvel needs to do a good chunk of managing it and making it fit.

It's also why I was fine with Spider-Man and X-Men not being in the MCU. The Marvel movie plans are packed, and they're packed with minor heroes that we'd never get movies for if all the big guns were also in play in the MCU.

Each phase would have Spider-man and X-men and Fantastic Four films as well as other heroes, and the big ones would edge out the small ones.

phantom42

@Keen How much are they being shifted by? I saw that it was happening, but I didn't compare against the original dates yet.

Keen

@phantom42 It was a domino sort of thing. Thor got bumped to later in the Phase, which bumped Black Panther, and I think Capt Marvel and Inhumans.

So Inhumans is Phase 4 (if ever).

Ergo some of the clamoring for Miles Morales. Getting a non-white dude Spider-Man would be pretty great since we're having to wait even longer for the non-white dude Marvel movies.

Stupid grammar, that's non-(white dude)

distributive property gooooooo

Keen

19:39

My sources say Sony still has rights to make Spidey spin-offs, if they choose. @BlakeX10 @dsolzman @EricIGN

Tweeted by Breznican on February 10, 2015 at 7:19 AM in reply to BlakeX10

theverge.com/2015/2/10/8010659/… is a decent rundown. Includes the updated Phase 3 schedule.

Although I think they're a little deluded if they think the Russos will direct the standalone Spider-man film. They're doing Civil War, which comes out the year before. No way they'd have time to do 2 films at once.

phantom42

What really needs to happen: reality gem gets abused and Spidey gets pulled into the MCU.

Possibly reality + space

Keen

Ehhhhh, that implies he doesn't belong.

Makes it kinda illegitimate.

phantom42

19:54

then retcon it the other way. richard parker's early work got the family yanked from MCU and trapped in Sony-verse

It wouldn't be a Spidey story without some incredibly convoluted "haha j/k" retcon.

Obviously, they're not going to do this. I don't envy whatever writer(s) have to figure out a way to make this work.

Too often, I read the name "Adam Warlock" and my brain briefly confuses him with Warlock from The New Mutants.

Keen

shrug AoS established that there have been meta humans running around for years that SHIELD's kept track of. It's not necessary IMO to explain where Spidey's been all this time. Or they can just explain him as recently showing up on the scene.

phantom42

20:38

ComingSoon.net did the math.

> Inhumans - pushed back eight months
> Captain Marvel - pushed back four months
> Black Panther - pushed back eight months
> Thor: Ragnarok - pushed back four months

Keen

We're ~~cancelling~~ rescheduling the apocalypse!

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phantom42

21:29

Don't be messing with my X-Men: Apocalypse, now. Unless they're going back to Marvel. Then, mess away.

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