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12:20 PM
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* Compact Linear Maps *
Chapter V sec 17 page 302 BV Limaye
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I ws thinking that how a linear map $F$ from a normed space $X$ to a normed space $Y$ is continuous iff it sends open sets unit ball $U$ in $X$ to a bounded subset in $Y$ ?
It says refer sec 6.2
so i saw that $F$ is continuous if $F$ is bounded on $\bar{U}(0,r)$ for some $r>0$.
 
12:38 PM
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We denote $C(X,Y)$ the set of all compact operators from $X$ to $Y$
What is a compact operator?
So Let $X,Y$ re normed linear spaces then a linear operator $T:X \rightarrow Y$ is a compact if every bounded subset $B$ of $X$ , $\bar{T(B)}$ is a compact subset of $Y$.
We explore some theorems -
Theorem1 -
Let $X$ and $Y$ are NLS then $T: X \rightarrow Y$ is a compact linear map $\textbf{iff}$ for every bounded sequence $\{x_{n}\} \in X$ $T(x_{n})$ has a convergent subsequence.
$\rightarrow$ direction -
So we have $T$ is a compact linear map and we have a bounded sequence say $\{x_{n}\}$,
Now we consider the set $B =\{x_{n} , n=1,2,3,...\}$
the set $B$ is bounded in $X$
so as $T$ is compact so by defn. $\bar{T(B)}$ is a compact subset of $Y$
$T(x_{n})$ is a bounded sequence in $\bar{T(B)}$
but as $T(B)$ is compact so $\{T(x_{n})\}$ has a convergent subsequence
$\textbf{doubt} $- I was thinking why $\{T(x_{n})\}$ is a sequence in $\bar{T(B)}$ ?
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$\leftarrow$ direction
 
12:58 PM
@BAYMAX This theorem seems to be more-or-less direct consequence of the fact that, in metric spaces, compactnes and sequential compactness are equivalent.
 
I see
 
@BAYMAX I am not sure whether I understand the question. Isn't what you are asking here simply $T(B)\subseteq\overline{T(B)}$?
 
hmm so we can also say then that $T(x_{n})$ is a sequence in $Y$
 
I see
Conversely Suppose for every bounded sequence$\{x_{n}\}$,$\{T(x_{n})\}$has a convergent subsequence then to prove that $T$ is compact
or to show that if $B$ is any bounded subset of $X$ then $\overline{T(B)}$ is a compact subset of $Y$
so let $\{y_{n}\}$ be asequence in $\overline{T(B)}$ then we will show that $\{y_{n}\}$ has a convergent subsequence
$\textbf{doubt - }$ then how there exists $x_{n} \in B$ such that $||T(x_{n}) - y_{n}|| < \frac{1}{n}$ ?
how do we show that $\overline{T(B)}$ is compact
 
1:21 PM
@BAYMAX From definition of closure.
@BAYMAX You show that every sequence in $\overline{T(B)}$ has a convergent convergence, which is sequential compactness. (And now we are working with metric spaces, so this is the same as compactness.)
By "from the definition of closure" I mean this: If $y_n\in\overline{T(B)}$, then every neighborhood of $U$ intersects $T(B)$.
Just take an open ball around $y_n$ with radius $1/n$ for $U$.
 
$y_{n} \in \overline{T(B)} $ then $\forall \epsilon > 0 , U(y_{n} , \epsilon) \cap T(B) \neq \phi$
 
Yes.
In fact you can write iff instead of then.
 
oh
now as $x_{n} \in B$
so $||T(x_{n}) - y_{n}|| < \frac{1}{n}$
Nice trick!
now how to proceed to $\overline{T(B)}$ compactness?
we know $T(x_{n})$ has a cvgt subsequence
perhaps we can dig smthng frm this
 
And this gives you convergent subsequence of $y_n$.
 
say the subsequence of $\{T(x_{n})\}$ is $\{T(x_{n})_{k}\}$
 
1:28 PM
And then you're done -- you've shown that every sequence in $\overline{T(B)}$ has a convergent subsqeuence.
 
@MartinSleziak how ?
 
I'd guess that $T(x_{n,k})$ is more usual notation that $T(x_n)_k$.
@BAYMAX What is actually the question here?
How .... what?
 
how a cvgt subsequence of $\{T(x_{n})\}$ can f=give a convergent subseq of $\{y_{n}\}$
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So you know that $T(x_{n_k})$ is convergent.
 
Yes
 
1:31 PM
And you also know that $y_{n_k}-T(x_{n_k}) \to 0$.
 
hmmmm...i see
 
In fact, you know that $y_n-T(x_n)\to0$.
Since $\|y_n-T(x_n)\| < 1/n$.
All that remains is to use the fact that sum of two convergent sequences is convergent.
 
is this $y_{n_{k}} - T(x_{n_{k}}) \rightarrow 0$ and $T(x_{n_{k}}) \rightarrow x(say)$ then
$y_{n_{k}} \rightarrow x$ ?
so we have a convergent subsequence $y_{n_{k}}$ of sequence $\{y_{n}\}$ ?
 
I see,thanks
What is the gurantee that we can find such a subseq $y_{n_{k}}$
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1:36 PM
The assumptions of the theorem.
51 mins ago, by BAYMAX
Let $X$ and $Y$ are NLS then $T: X \rightarrow Y$ is a compact linear map $\textbf{iff}$ for every bounded sequence $\{x_{n}\} \in X$ $T(x_{n})$ has a convergent subsequence.
You are now trying to show the direction where you assume that for every bounded sequence $\{x_{n}\} \in X$ $T(x_{n})$ has a convergent subsequence. And you want to show that $T$ is compact.
 
Yes
I am seeing how this relates?
 
I am not sure what is the question here.
You start with a sequence $(y_n)$.
Then you get corresponding sequence $T(x_n)$.
From the assumption you get a convergent subsequence $T(x_{n_k})$.
From the fact that $T(x_n)$ is "close" to $y_n$ you get that $(y_{n_k})$ is convergent.
So this is a proof that: Every sequence $(y_n)$ in $\overline{T(B)}$ has a convergent subsequence.
I am not sure what you mean by this in the question: "I am seeing how this relates?"
 
where are we using bounded sequence property of $\{x_{n}\}$ ?
also can we guarantee always that there will be such a convergent subsequence of $y_{n} ?$
 
@BAYMAX When we get a convergent subsequence of $T(x_n)$. We only have this for bounded sequence.
 
ohh..gotacha
 
1:44 PM
@BAYMAX What you mean by "always"? It suffices to show for sequences $(y_n)$ in $\overline{T(B)}$.
 
ok
thats nice!
 
2:03 PM
Theorem -
Let $k \in \Bbb{K}$ and $F,G \in C(X,Y)$ then $kF $ and $F+G \in C(X,Y)$
Proof -
Let $\{x_{n}\}$ be a bounded sequence in $X$ then we have that there existsa convergent subsequence of $F(x_{n})$
so let $F(x_{n})_{j}$
but why he has taken a subsequence of $\{x_{n}\}$ that is $x_{n_{j}}$ amn dmoreover also used the same subsequence in the convergent subsequence of $\{F(x_{n})\}$
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as $F(x_{n_{j}})$
subsequence of a subsequence game here?
 
Could we get an alternative proof of this results using the fact that sum of compact sets if compact: If $A$ and $B$ are compact, then so is $A+B$.
There is still problem with $\overline{A+B}=\overline A+\overline B$ which is not true in general: Example where closure of $A+B$ is different from sum of closures of $A$ and $B$ But maybe if we know that $\overline A$ is compact, this can be shown.
@BAYMAX You are talking about the second part? The proof for $F+G$?
Or are you dealing with $kF$ here?
 
$F+G$
 
Ok, so your goal is to show that $H=F+G$ is compact operator.
 
yes
i am tied up with the subsequence
sorry my dinner time starts after 15 mins
 
It seems reasonable to use the characterization from the first part of the theorem, so probably you want to show that for each bounded sequence $(x_n)$ there is a convergent subsequence of $H(x_n)$.
 
2:17 PM
Yes
thats i like it
 
So if you can get a subsequence $s_k$ such that both $F(s_k)$ and $G(s_k)$ converge, then you have also that $H(s_k)$ converges.
 
thats nice
 
2:30 PM
in fact we are trying to show that $C(X,Y)$ is a subspace of $BL(X,Y)$
strongly $C(X,Y)$ is a $\textbf{closed}$ subspace of $BL(X,Y)$
 
3:12 PM
@MartinSleziak perhaps we are planning to discuss separate cases like, when we take the same subsequence in botht the cases and next different subsequences
if i am not wrong?
 
Natural way to go seems to take first a subsequence again to make $F(x_n)$ convergent.
Then once again you take a subsequence (from this subsequence) so that you get also $G$.
 
ok
why we need to f=get a subsequence of a subsequence?
 
?f=get?
You have sequence $(x_n)$.
 
sorry mistypng
mistyping
Ok,I understan now
 
3:27 PM
You know that there is a subsequence $(x_{n_k})$ such that $F(x_{n_k})$ converges. But you know nothing about $G(x_{n_k})$, so you can't say how $H$ behaves for terms of this sequence.
 
but why this statement ?
 
Similarly, if you use a subsequence $(x_{m_k})$ such that $G(x_{m_k})$ converges, you do not know about $F(x_{m_k})$.
@BAYMAX By this statement you mean this statement?
1 min ago, by Martin Sleziak
You know that there is a subsequence $(x_{n_k})$ such that $F(x_{n_k})$ converges. But you know nothing about $G(x_{n_k})$, so you can't say how $H$ behaves for terms of this sequence.
 
"$F \in C(X,Y)$ there si a subsequence $(x_{n_{j}})$ of $x_{n}$ s.t $F(x_{n_{j}})$ converges in $Y$"
 
@BAYMAX You are using the first part of the theorem.
 
I meant the above!
we say this that if there is a bounded sequence $x_{n}$
 
3:30 PM
@BAYMAX By "the above" you mean: "$F \in C(X,Y)$ there si a subsequence $(x_{n_{j}})$ of $x_{n}$ s.t $F(x_{n_{j}})$ converges in $Y$"?
You know that there is reply function in chat, right?
So that you can add an arrow which show what you're actually replying to.
 
sorry,will keep in mind
 
Ok, so what "statement" are you asking about now?
 
@MartinSleziak I am asking about this
2 mins ago, by BAYMAX
"$F \in C(X,Y)$ there si a subsequence $(x_{n_{j}})$ of $x_{n}$ s.t $F(x_{n_{j}})$ converges in $Y$"
From first part of the theorem
we know that
 
@BAYMAX Exactly!
 
no
I am asking how we get this from first part,let me write a bit
From the first part of the theorem we know that F is compact iff there is a bounded sequence $x_{n}$ there is a convergent subsequence of $F(x_{n})$
 
3:35 PM
Yes.
 
here we have taken the bounded sequence as a subsequence of $x_{n}$ that is $x_{n_{j}}$
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That's exactly the same thing, isn't it?
You have a sequence where $n$-th term is $F(x_n)$.
So if you take a subsequence, it means that it looks like $F(x_{n_k})$.
In that way you automatically take also a subsequence of $(x_n)$.
 
I see,
 
If you prefer, you can reformulate without mentioning either of the sequences and subsequences.
 
how?
are you mentioning some other method?
 
3:37 PM
You can simply say: There is an increasing sequence $(n_k)$ of positive integers such that $F(x_{n_k})$ converges.
Hm, obviously I type too slowly.
 
faster than me atleast :)
 
@BAYMAX No, just a reformulation of the same thing. (Mainly because you seemed uncomfortable with taking subsequence of $(F(x_n))$ and subsequence of $(x_n)$.
 
increasing sequence of positive integers
 
What is a subsequence?
 
gotcha
 
3:40 PM
Sequence is some function $n\mapsto x_n$ defined on positive integers.
 
"Yes"
 
Subsequence means that you take only some of them, and it is uniquely determined by saying which terms you tak.
 
nice
> “Your mind is like this water, my friend. When it is agitated, it becomes difficult to see. But if you allow it to settle, the answer becomes clear.”


― Bil Keane
 
So subsequence is uniquely determined by $(n_k) = n_1 < n_2 < \dots$.
 
Yes
 
3:43 PM
Any subsequence is determined by the set of indices you take - i.e., by infinite subset of $\mathbb N$ or by increasing sequence of natural numbers - whichever way of looking at it you prefer.
 
I see
How can we show closed property?
 
This is norm-closed right?
 
that is $C(X,Y)$ is closed
wrt to operator norm I think?
 
closed in $L(X,Y)$ with sup-norm
 
$L(X,Y)$ is the set of all linear continuousoperators?
 
3:45 PM
Sorry, my bad.
It's $BL(X,Y)$ in Limaye's notation right?
 
Oh isee yes
 
Do we have that $Y$ is complete?
Yes, we do.
 
I dont see where
 
So we want some convergent subsequence. Since we have completeness, natural way to go would be to find a subsequence that is Cauchy.
@BAYMAX Ok, I'll try to look whether I have this part of the book. Which theorem is it?
In Theorem 17.2(c) Limaye has an assumption that $Y$ is Banach.
 
and hence complete
 
3:49 PM
So if this is what we're trying to prove, using Cauchy sequences seems like a natural strategy.
 
I am going through our notes,I am unable to find this in Limaye now,it says $C(X,Y)$ is a closed subspace of $B(X,Y)$
 
It's the same thing you've seen many times before. For example, when proving that uniform limit of a sequence of continuous functions is continuous.
@BAYMAX B(X,Y) and BL(X,Y) is the same thing?
 
sorry
yes
@MartinSleziak they arethe same
 
Well, then you get from Theorem 17.2 that it is closed subspace. Or maybe it is also formulated separately in some part I do not have access to.
Anyway, I'll leave you with this proof. As I've mentioned, this is very similar to what you've seen a few times before.
 
 
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