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Calvin Khor

06:53

Hi Martin, in this math.meta answer you recently updated, it may be a good idea to mention that 10k+ rep also let’s you see a list of recently deleted posts via the mod tools. But I’m not so sure how exhaustive it is; I recently noticed that self-deleted posts don’t seem to get on the list.

Since I don’t really know what goes in the list I decided to tell you here rather than in a comment to the answer

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Martin Sleziak

08:20

@CalvinKhor Which deletions are not shown in 10k-tools? Are posts deleted by roomba shown there? and Why are self-deleted posts not shown in the 10k Tools?

Q: Which deletions are not shown in 10k-tools? Are posts deleted by roomba shown there?

As I learned from some other discussions, self-deleted posts are not shown in moderator tools available to 10k+ users. For example: Why are self-deleted posts not shown in the 10k Tools? Are there some other deleted posts which are omitted from delete tab in 10k-tools? Specifically, if a questio...

A: Which deletions are not shown in 10k-tools? Are posts deleted by roomba shown there?

Auto-deleted questions are shown. These are all from the “Recently Deleted” list: We can see posts deleted from spam flags are shown and roomba deleted RemoveAbandonedClosed and RemoveMigrationStubs posts are shown. Posts aren't shown if the user account that owns that post is deleted (so s...

Q: Why are self-deleted posts not shown in the 10k Tools?

I noticed on Retrocomputing that self-deleted posts do not show up in the Deleted section of the 10k Tools. Why is this? It seems like it would be useful to have all deleted posts show up in this list.

discussion feature-request 10k-tools deleted-posts self-delete

A: Why are self-deleted posts not shown in the 10k Tools?

I agree. Moderators can access a list of self-deleted posts, but as a moderator I want the community to be watching over deletions, not just mods. 10k users would be able to see those posts if they had the links, and we give them a tool to review other deletions. So why not include self-deleti...

A: Why are self-deleted posts not shown in the 10k Tools?

I assume Stack Exchange does not want to "shame" users. Suppose one wrote a REALLY dumb question or answer, then realised it's bad seconds after posting, and deleted it. While it will always be there, visible to 10k users who happen to visit the question, I think it's better not to spread the sha...

Calvin Khor

Thanks for the information!

Martin Sleziak

I have added this:

> Users with sufficient reputation can also see the list of recent deletions through moderator tools (a.k.a. 10k tools). However, this list has limited size and does not include self-deletions. (See also: Why are self-deleted posts not shown in the 10k Tools? and Which deletions are not shown in 10k-tools? Are posts deleted by roomba shown there?)

I do not use that list too much. So it is probably not that surprising that I have forgotten to mention it. (From my viewpoint, the main limitation is the limited size of the list. My impression is that usually you don't see there anything before the last run of roomba.)

Calvin Khor

Fair enough :) I thought at first that the reason I couldnt find posts that were self-deleted was because of the size limitation. The list is more usable on math.meta where the volume is smaller

Martin Sleziak

I have added some SEDE queries that might help to notice self-deletions here: Is there need to patrol for deleted questions?

And I think that some more queries useful for this purpose could be added - but I'll do that when I have more time. (If I don't forget about this again.)

Of course, using SEDE for this purpose has several drawbacks: Only updated once a week, you do not see the title in the list (only after you click on the link).

However, the queries in that post were intended mainly to help with find questions which were self-deleted after receiving an answer.

Calvin Khor

08:37

Thanks again. I really need to learn how to use SEDE properly :)

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Martin Sleziak

11:17

@hardmath You've been looking into various PlanetMath links. Do you know something also about the links containing planetmath.org/?op=getobj? Can such links be fixed in some way too?

Mathematics: math.stackexchange.com/… 17 results

MathOverflow: mathoverflow.net/… 8 results

I have noticed such a link in the following answer - after the question was bumped by Glorfindel's bot:

A: Is every locally connected subset of Euclidean space R^n locally path connected ?

No. There are locally connected subsets of $\mathbb{R}^2$ which are totally path disconnected. See my answer to this old MO question "Can you explicitly write R2 as a disjoint union of two totally path disconnected sets?". Also, Gerald Edgar's response to the same question says that such sets can...

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hardmath

15:04

@MartinSleziak I have some contact info for PlanetMath, so I can look into what their thinking is.

Martin Sleziak

15:25

@hardmath Thanks for looking into this - I appreciate it!

hardmath

16:06

@MartinSleziak These are probably legacy pages that used jsMath, a predecessor to MathJax. While broken as links, that MO url gave me enough information to find the current PlanetMath equivalent, a Lebesgue measurable but non-Borel set.

Wayback machine was helpful (but flaky) in this case.

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