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8:39 AM

Q: Is there a 'polite amount' to put up as a bounty for someone else's question?

Every now and again I see a question that I would like to know the answer to but don't know how to solve. I don't mind offering bounties but since I don't have a ton of rep, I'm wondering if a bounty of 50 or 100 is seen as 'rude' to put up on someone else's question.

I would think not. Mind you, I once had mixed feelings about placing a bounty of 200+ points on someone else's post because afterwards it dawned on me that I effectively denied them the opportunity to place a smaller bounty. I think that if there was no answer, then any bounty amount is fine. If the bounty were about rewarding an existing answer, then it may be polite to ask the OP if they are planning to place such a bounty before placing a more generous one. — Jyrki Lahtonen 7 mins ago

@JyrkiLahtonen Would you mind clarifying what you mean by saying that you "effectively denied them the opportunity to place a smaller bounty"? IIRC the rule about doubling the previous bounty amount only concerns bounties offered by the same user. — Martin Sleziak 6 mins ago

@MartinSleziak Wow! I did not know that. I was worried about me placing a bounty of 250 meaning that nobody can then place a bounty of less thean 500. Thanks for the piece of news! — Jyrki Lahtonen 2 mins ago

@JyrkiLahtonen I hope I am not misleading you here, but this is the way I interpret what I read in the FAQ/help center.

You can also check some questions which had multiple bounties on Mathematics and on MathOverflow.

The question "A short proof for $\dim(R[T])=\dim(R)+1$?" had several bounties, and several of them were for 50 reputation points: math.stackexchange.com/posts/358423/revisions

Of course, it would be possible to make also a query which shows how many different users put bounties on the same question - but I have used this, since the query already existed.

@MartinSleziak You were right. More careful reading of the rules makes it explicit. I had somehow missed that detail. Deleting my first comment. — Jyrki Lahtonen 1 min ago

Here is a SEDE query showing questions without bounties by various users (unless I have made some mistake there): Mathematics and MathOverflow

Jyrki is right that the wording in the FAQ/help center confirms it.

From "How does the bounty system work?":

> If you have already answered the question before, the minimum bounty offer is 100.

> If you have already offered a bounty on the question before, the minimum offer is double your last offer (see below).

From the help center:

> To avoid overly promotional bounties, if you are offering a bounty on a question that you have already posted an answer to, your minimum spend is 100 reputation (not 50).

> Additionally, if you offer multiple bounties on the same question, the minimum spend doubles with each subsequent bounty (50 reputation on the first bounty, 100 reputation on the second, 200 on the third, and so on).

@JyrkiLahtonen I see that you have already deleted your original comment.

Just to collect them somewhere, this is the deleted comment:

15 mins ago, by Martin Sleziak

There are the comments which currently exist on the question:

I hope not, since I have already done that. — José Carlos Santos 31 mins ago

Personally, I usually start the first bounty at 50 reputation points. Mainly because the next bounty on the same question has to be at least doubled. (Sometimes you might want to put multiple bounties on the same question - for example, if there are several good answers and you want to reward all off them; or if there are no satisfactory answers even after the bounty expired and you want to get attention of potential answers to the question for a longs period of time.) — Martin Sleziak 23 mins ago

@MartinSleziak You were right. More careful reading of the rules makes it explicit. I had somehow missed that detail. Deleting my first comment. — Jyrki Lahtonen 11 mins ago

If you think that it is better, I can delete my comment which is responding to your (now deleted) comment.

But I think that it is ok if the other comments remain there - I have quoted the relevant part of your comment in my response. So I don't think that it causes confusion.

But if you think that we should do some clean-up, feel free to ping me here.

user

9:32 AM

@MartinSleziak Hi Martin! I know you are (were?) a owner for GENTLE room. Do you know whether the room has been frozen or completely deleted? Thanks

Martin Sleziak

@user Is that a genuine question?

You can easily see for yourself that it was frozen: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/97476/2020/10/20 chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/97476/gentle

Out of curiosity, let me try whether a message posted in (now) frozen room can be copied to another room:

in GENTLE, Oct 20 at 0:00, by Feeds

This room has been automatically frozen for inactivity

As a side note, my impression is that I was added to owners mainly because the creator (and other owners) were not familiar with some features of chat and needed a bit of help. (It should not be taken as some kind of endorsement from my side.)

Just to clarify what I meant when I said that you can easily check that yourself - there are many ways how to find that room.

1. If you happened to favorite that room, the it is in the list of your favorite rooms.

2. You can look at rooms associated with some specific site and the click on show frozen/deleted rooms. (Mathematics has many rooms, so you'll have to browse through a few pages until you get to the frozen rooms.)

3. You were rather active in this room, so you can simply check your recent messages in your profile. (In some cases you would need to append &page=2 to the url to get to older messages: chat.stackexchange.com/users/323214?tab=recent&page=2 - although in this instance, there are messages from GENTLE already on the first page of your recent messages.)

4. This particular room was mentioned a few times on meta, if you remember where, you can get link from there. For example:

Regarding the third question. Is there any reason (other than time itself), in not getting involved there longer? Also, you're saying that because of the nature of it's activities the chatroom generates lots of unhealthy comments and we have to get rid of that, how do you think that can be achieved? And as a last question regarding this: There's also a chatroom, GENTLE, can you perhaps answer briefly 1. and 2. (from the third question) but regarding this chatroom? — Zacky Jul 21 at 8:44

And I am pretty sure there are other methods to find that room.

@skullpatrol Did you mean this room: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/115346/2020/10/29 ?

in Gowers' Topics in Combinatorics, Oct 29 at 0:00, by Feeds

This room has been automatically deleted for inactivity

skullpatrol

9:49 AM

Yes.

Martin Sleziak

It was deleted because there was no activity for seven days - as described in the FAQ for chat. chat.stackexchange.com/faq

> Rooms will exist indefinitely, so long as there is at least one person actively talking in the room. A room is considered worth retaining if it has more than 15 messages by at least 2 users.

> Rooms not worth retaining which are inactive for 7 days will be deleted. Rooms worth retaining which are inactive for 14 days will be frozen. Frozen rooms do not allow any new messages to be sent, and are not shown in the default room list to prevent cluttering the rooms interface.

user

@MartinSleziak I searched it but really I couldn't find it anymore. I don't know why. I'll try according to your suggestons. Thanks for your assitance!

Martin Sleziak

That is an automated process - the things you've mentioned in your (now deleted) messages do not have anything to do with that.

skullpatrol

Ok, thanks

Martin Sleziak

There were only a few messages in that room. You can either start the room again, or request a mod to undelete it.

Here is the recommendation how to request unfreezing of a room: How do I unfreeze a frozen chat room? I suppose undeletion requests work in the same way.

skullpatrol

9:52 AM

Martin Sleziak

If it is not much work to start the room again, the you can simply do that and you won't need some special help from the mods. It's up to you which option you prefer.

skullpatrol

I'll start it again if I need it.

And post every 6 days

Martin Sleziak

@user Those suggestions can help you mainly in the future if you're in a similar situation (looking for some room). As you probably noticed I have already given you a direct link to the room: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/97476/gentle

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