Game Development

jgallant

12:06 AM

Yeah I can't find it. It was tiy from terraria that little ked it to me

Linked

I want to read it again.

Pip

Yo he does Starbound now right?

jgallant

Yeah

Pip

cool

jgallant

It had a specific name for the technique

jgallant

12:31 AM

catlikecoding.com/unity/tutorials/marching-squares

blog.project-retrograde.com/2013/05/marching-squares

i can't find that specific article.

Pip

12:49 AM

oh right marching squares

yeah

that's a thing that exists

user92578

6:05 AM

@Pip looks like 8-bit tilemasking plus some variance

user92578

Or wait, more like 4-bit

user92578

9:12 AM

DH.

9:49 AM

Nice!

Liked those dots to give that metal feeling to it

The gears and wheel are good looking too

yahoo5000

Guys have a question about animation sprites is having alot of spites effect performance alot ? i mean i have a loading icon with a 70x70px size and its have 17 sprites for me i would stay that for loading icon 17 sprites are just to much

should i get into this deeper and try to reduce them or just do not think to much about number of a sprites ?

user92578

@DH. yeah it's amazing what a few little pixels do

user92578

@yahoo5000 not an performance issue you should be worrying about now

user92578

my game loads a looooot more than 17 images

yahoo5000

so i should not get into number of sprites and just do with what i have ?

cuz i was thinking about reducing from 17 to about 12 would that give me much benefit ?

user92578

10:02 AM

premature optimization is bad

user92578

all though, the optimal way to do this would be to store the sprites in one texture and clip that

user92578

not sure if you're already doing that

DH.

The only optimization in that would be memory and load time(maybe)

But only 5 images is such small change I wouldn't worry

user92578

yeah

jgallant

If yo having gif problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 glitches but a pixel ain't one.

yahoo5000

10:39 AM

guys whats the best way to do text input (C++) i mean i probably could hard code that in but not sure if i have to i mean there is probably already made functions for that

user92578

what framework do you use?

user92578

or console input?

jgallant

what is it for c++ again?

cin >>

user92578

yeah

user92578

can't remember how the arrow thingys go though

user92578

10:47 AM

those might be correct though

user92578

@yahoo5000 hard code what?

yahoo5000

input into winapi

i am Using Chili dirext 11 framework

hardcode input fields

user92578

in the future you should always mention that

user92578

there's no text input for "C++" besides std::cin

user92578

So you want a text entry?

yahoo5000

10:50 AM

yea

i would add Login UI and then i want to add actual text input

user92578

You'll either want to find a ready-made UI library or make your own

yahoo5000

do u know any ?

user92578

(or try some weird WinAPI hack which I would stay the hell away from)

user92578

No.

yahoo5000

yea i okay ty for info will try to find something

user92578

10:51 AM

Making your own shouldn't take too long though if you just want to get something quick and dirty working

user92578

Actually

user92578

A lot of people seem to use imgui for their UI

user92578

github.com/ocornut/imgui

user92578

it basically handles all the logic and you just render a few vertices and textures I think

user92578

should be quite fast to setup

yahoo5000

10:53 AM

okay will try this one tnx

jgallant

i'd say your welcome, but I didn't help

yahoo5000

:D

jgallant

Ultimate Chicken Horse being advertised during driver install nvidia

wtf...

along side gears 4

yahoo5000

does imgui have password type input ?

user92578

yes, which you could have found out with a quick google search

user92578

11:09 AM

user92578

in-game, whoo!

user92578

next up is deciding what I want the tank to do

jgallant

11:49 AM

so steep is totally not worth 80$...

its like.... a snowboard game made for xbox 1

the trick system is horrible.

There is literally nothing to do except just go down hills.

Dissapointed.

The online aspect is really bad too...

I tried to get people to join my party and finally when someone did -- It didn't do anything

yahoo5000

What game are u making guys ? for phones ?

user92578

12:39 PM

@yahoo5000 I'm making GunHero for PC.

yahoo5000

Are u planing to make money from him or just for fun ?

user92578

I'll sell it on Steam.

yahoo5000

it online ?

user92578

what does that mean?

yahoo5000

i mean steam game are multiplayer is this multiplayer ?

online game play on internet offline game play on pc

user92578

12:42 PM

My game has local COOP, so offline multiplayer

user92578

Networking would be cool but I was a beginner when I started out and did not plan ahead for networking.

user92578

It's something that needs to be put in early or it can't be put in at all.

yahoo5000

how much are u willing to get ?

user92578

Are you asking what price I'm going to sell the game at?

yahoo5000

yea

user92578

12:43 PM

Somewhere between 5 and 10 bucks probably

yahoo5000

is it work ? :D

worth

i mean uspend alot of time making it and 5-10$ is nothing

user92578

Currently making the game has cost me ~100 euros and a social life.

user92578

I have made a fucking game. That's not nothing.

yahoo5000

yea but still i mean i have made one game but i spend only a month there

user92578

Was it a good game? Where did you sell it?

yahoo5000

12:46 PM

i didt not sell it just for learning purpose , is a space shooter game there is an upgrade system bullet system and so on

user92578

A learning game != a commercial game.

yahoo5000

yea

now i am coding a game witch i would like to earn from but i am not gonna sell it i keep for my self cuz its online game

user92578

Had I been more goal oriented at the start, I maybe could've done the game quicker.

user92578

This has also been a huge learning experience

user92578

@yahoo5000 Umm, what?

yahoo5000

12:47 PM

yea i bet cuz game looks cool

user92578

thanks

yahoo5000

I am currently making a game online one like Blade and souls , linage , perfectworld and so on , its just a strategy game like Civilization 6

user92578

You're making a game online? So you're making an online multiplayer game?

PearsonArtPhoto

I have a few sources of things that I make money from online.

yahoo5000

yea

PearsonArtPhoto

12:49 PM

I like to re-invest all of that money so I don't have to pay taxes on it;-)

yahoo5000

i am planing to gather huge player community

user92578

How are you going to do that?

PearsonArtPhoto

I'm going to have a few hundred dollars, trying to decide what to do with it to progress with my game...

user92578

Save it for the GL fee?

PearsonArtPhoto

GL?

user92578

12:50 PM

Greenlight

PearsonArtPhoto

Oh, yeah, maybe...

That's about half of what I have. Maybe I'll use the rest for some kind of artwork...

yahoo5000

Tyyppi did u make your game sprites and animations your self ?

user92578

Yes

yahoo5000

cool

jgallant

1:05 PM

yep he also made the music

sfx

and the engine

and the editor

yahoo5000

nice

user92578

there's still a lot to do in terms of music and sfx

user92578

that's something I want to get on after I get this god damn boss finished

user92578

I also probably need to fix most of the bugs before I send this out to you guys for testing

jgallant

yeah it will be picked apart

user92578

1:09 PM

so sound effects and music don't necessarily have to be in for the test I'd think

user92578

but bugs needs to be fixed
and I need to rework the powerup the player is given

user92578

Currently I think it's better to leave the level editor out of the initial release so that I don't need to rush that in

yahoo5000

1:30 PM

tyyppi i think if u made this game for andoir and set it to google you would get much more then selling to steam

android

cuz this game would by cool and popular for phone

user92578

no way

yahoo5000

why not ?

user92578

so so much harder to get noticed on the app market

user92578

also, people don't buy games on mobile

yahoo5000

ppl dont but google does

user92578

1:32 PM

what? google doesn't just buy games

yahoo5000

yea they do as far as i hear they pay you for a games even when they put them in for free

user92578

hmm, okay, weird

user92578

I doubt that they would buy my game though

yahoo5000

well i would :D , and also there is Microsoft they pay for all games

cuz windows phones doesnt have that much app as androids

user92578

how much does this happen?

user92578

1:35 PM

I've never ever heard of this happening to any game

DH.

Games are rarely bought, they are often only published by someone

user92578

I seriously don't think that I would make more money if the game was made for mobile instead

yahoo5000

i heard this about two ears ago and that was true and i bet its still are same

user92578

On mobile you'll just disappear to the huge mass of shitty games in the app market

user92578

The same is slowly happening to Steam but it's not the same yet

yahoo5000

1:37 PM

yea but i mean atleast two years ago windows was not mass of shit app market it was a tiny one

there was no much apps at all

user92578

That's not a good thing

user92578

That means that there are no customers there

user92578

No one who'll buy your game

DH.

The only place where people buy mobile games that I'm aware is this fgl.com

yahoo5000

well i bet there would :D if y ask 10 cent for a download i bet there would be a lot of ppl who would pay that atleas i would do

user92578

1:38 PM

...

user92578

So, let's say I would sell the game at 5 bucks on steam

yahoo5000

or event if you would put it for free i think your game got alot of player and you could get money from advertising some stuff

user92578

I would need to sell 50 copies of the game on mobile for a single sale on steam

DH.

Ads make so little money

user92578

@yahoo5000 I seriously doubt that, plus that's not the way I want to make revenue

user92578

1:39 PM

Yeah

user92578

You need a ton of players to make money from ads

yahoo5000

is 5$ alot of money ? DH ?

DH.

Unless you get a dozens of thousands of players, then ads get you some money

yahoo5000

well its android market there are tons of ppl

DH.

@yahoo5000 Per sale? Not too much, but still a reasonable price. Ads won't make that much.

user92578

1:40 PM

Mobile just isn't a viable market place anymore, for a small developer I feel

DH.

If a single person plays and clicks on Ads everytime trough out your whole game, you won't even make a single dollar out of it

yahoo5000

well i would give a shot if i wear u because 5$ its nothing

user92578

So if you were me

user92578

You would stop making the game on PC

user92578

And start a massive porting process

yahoo5000

1:41 PM

nop

user92578

Spending a year on that

user92578

Putting ads into the game

user92578

And release on Windows market?

user92578

well, I guess that's a plan

DH.

Mobile market has gone shit, only IAP get money nowadays

user92578

1:42 PM

^

user92578

I'm pretty sure that's what Jon concluded with GORB

user92578

Now he's putting IAPs to Picross

yahoo5000

i mean i would never go into mobile games

DH.

Yeah, even though his game feels great on mobile, nobody wants to pay for a mobile game itself

jgallant

eh, if PC market wants GORB on steam it will not be abandoned

I have an editor ready to be hooked to workshop

user92578

1:43 PM

right yeah

jgallant

I might lower the price point

user92578

@yahoo5000 what? that's not at all what you were saying

yahoo5000

what do u mean ?

user92578

first you were saying this:

user92578

4 mins ago, by yahoo5000

well i would give a shot if i wear u because 5$ its nothing

yahoo5000

1:46 PM

yea

user92578

then you switched to this:

user92578

3 mins ago, by yahoo5000

i mean i would never go into mobile games

user92578

also the whole conversation above you kept suggesting that I would make more money on mobile

yahoo5000

u get me wrong :) i mean if i would have game like this already coded i would try to sell it for mobiles

user92578

So if you had a PC game made? Or a ready-made mobile game?

yahoo5000

1:47 PM

i mean u have whole game engine it should not by very hard to code it for phone too

user92578

...

user92578

okay that is just not at all true

yahoo5000

why not ?

user92578

have you ever ported a desktop game to mobile?

DH.

Because they are completely different platforms?

user92578

1:48 PM

even porting to Linux can be a pain

jgallant

I'm going nowhere

DH.

Not to mention how Android is shit to make a game

user92578

now for mobile I'd have to change input stuff, probably cut down on resource consuption, optimize performance, test on a bunch of devices

yahoo5000

i mean i never done but i can imagine that everything can be done

user92578

yes, everything can be done

user92578

1:50 PM

that doesn't mean that those things aren't hard

yahoo5000

i got u

i was just thinking that this kind of game would be cool to play on mobile instead

jgallant

are you nuts

yahoo5000

and based on my opinion was saying that u would definatly buy

jgallant

if you are going to sell a premium game on mobile, you need either A. Advertisements, lots of it. B. Established game that people want.

user92578

Chris kinda did B, right?

jgallant

1:52 PM

Otherwise, it has to be free -- and even then, it will be drowning in a sea of shit

there is also C. A genuinely amazing idea that people want to try.

That you can sell in a simple video.

With Steam, I feel as though you can reach a broader audience

The market isn't as flooded with diarhea

user92578

Yeah that's exactly how I feel.

DH.

And the customer are more receptive to indie games

jgallant

There is shit on steam, but its not like mobile... if you want to play on mobile, you need to make it for mobile, and it kinda sucks now

DH.

Not to mention that even Steam itself promotes Indie stuff

user92578

On Steam, people have already expressed their interest in my game

DH.

1:55 PM

Mobile marketplaces are drowned with AAA industry games

yahoo5000

what about Microsoft ?

jgallant

Mobile market is drowned with free games that want your money every 2 minutes so you can spin a slot machine and get rubies

The people have spoken, that is what they want.

user92578

What does Microsoft have to do with this?

jgallant

The small minority of people that you can reach, will never see you because the store doesn't promote anything else.

DH.

Yeah I remember a GDC survey, IAP is what gives money, period

Paid apps get pirated and free with ads make little to no money

yahoo5000

1:57 PM

I mean Microsoft have its on game store

user92578

ever used that?

user92578

me neither

yahoo5000

actually i did :D

once i was buying Age Of Emprite :Rise of rome

jgallant

wow, you are their #1 customer!

user92578

^

jgallant

2:06 PM

I bet that hololens is gonna be shit

you are gonna put it on, and it is gonna be like, worse than a kinect experience

Lasse

@Tyyppi_77 it can be, but does not have to be if you plan for portability from the beginning

user92578

well yeah

user92578

I'm expecting to be able to do the porting quite nicely

Lasse

yeah SDL is usually pretty easy to port

that's the point of it

user92578

yup

Ali.S

2:11 PM

@Tyyppi_77 how come? you were using bare SDL, and it can be compiled anywhere

user92578

can

user92578

and TBH I have no idea of the challenges I will face

Lasse

I'm thinking about ditching OpenTK and making my own libraries to handle GL api calls and creating a window

user92578

how come?

Lasse

OpenTK is currently in a really bad state, it's almost unusable from the box. For example OpenAL implementation does not work at all in x64 builds

it just crashes when you initialize the openal components

user92578

2:16 PM

oh, that sucks

Lasse

also it lacks some crucial enumerations, like enum for enabling anisotropic filtering on textures

but there are some people working on it, so I guess I just have to wait a bit for the worst things to get fixed

Also if I make my own wrappers and window creation, it's a lot easier to go vulkan

user92578

2:52 PM

that's true

user92578

3:15 PM

user92578

(not actually quite that fast)

Almo

oooh i like the rotaty gun!

I imagine it start spinning with a rev up sound before the shots start coming out

user92578

it has a massive amount of three animation frames!

Kevin van der Velden

Maybe move the bullet stream slightly up or down? Now it looks like it's coming from the center of the barrels thing

user92578

@Almo oooh that's something that I need to do

user92578

3:17 PM

hmm that's true

user92578

I'll see what I can do

Almo

i like the addition of the rivets

makes it look METAL

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah the rivits look cool

Maybe needs a bit more detail on the farthest tank threads? They look a bit single color to me. Though that could just be .gif

user92578

they do look quite bad on my screen to

user92578

they do have very basic shading in them though

Kevin van der Velden

3:19 PM

Blame .gif quantization then!

user92578

if I open the gif I can see the colors okay though

user92578

so they are there, it's just quite dark

Kevin van der Velden

Oooh, blame resizing

Looks even better at actual size

user92578

This makes more sense but somehow looks a little worse to me?

user92578

3:22 PM

or actually, not sure, might be all right

Kevin van der Velden

I... dunno

yahoo5000

look good

looks

user92578

you can edit messages

yahoo5000

oh okay tnx :D

user92578

3:36 PM

looks a little better but also a lot lamer

PearsonArtPhoto

Fire two shots, one top and one bottom?

Out of phase with each other?

user92578

something just went horribly wrong

PearsonArtPhoto

Or horribly right?

user92578

lol there isn't really a feature in a long line of rockets :P

PearsonArtPhoto

3:46 PM

Probably not, but...

user92578

I think I'll just go with the bigger & manlier bullets

DukeZhou

4:04 PM

I think the one with the correct sized bullets looks way better, just that it feels like they should be coming out of the top of the gatling

the main weapon is the cannon, after all

PearsonArtPhoto

6:12 PM

It is surprisingly difficult to pass data from one scene to another scene...

Almo

you mean in unity?

with the new scenemanager, it's possible to load one scene while another is in, then unload the other. not great if your scenes take a lot of memory. the way I do it in Cognizer is I have a (gasp) singleton object called SharedData that is "don't destroy on load" where I store things that need to be persistent across scene changes

so the menu is a scene, you choose Standard mode, Normal difficulty, it pokes those into SharedData, Menu gets unloaded and MainGame gets loaded, which checks Shared Data for the game settings.

PearsonArtPhoto

Yeah, with Unity.

Basically, my main game scene is all configured with a single config file.

I would really like to just have 1 game scene, and pass in that value.

I guess I'm going to do some kind of either a Singleton or even a pure global class...

It feels really clunky... I wish I could do it like Android, with packing the "Intent" off with a single value would allow for me to set it up correctly.

No need for static variables. Oh well.

yahoo5000

6:30 PM

Pearson are u c++ programer ?

PearsonArtPhoto

I've done it before, but it's been a while and I never was great at it...

yahoo5000

witch one are u now ?

i guest java

or javascript

PearsonArtPhoto

Java, C#, and Python are the 3 that I most use.

Not in that order.

yahoo5000

C# is similar to c++ right ?

PearsonArtPhoto

C#, Python, Java is the order that I use those 3. There are a few others I'll touch when required.

C# is closer to Java than C++.

yahoo5000

6:32 PM

Maybe u know something about virutal funtion binding ?

function

virtual

user4704

Depends what sort of "similarity" you're thinking about.

user4704

What about virtual functions?

PearsonArtPhoto

Same concept I think as abstract functions, right?

yahoo5000

i am not sure i just made those words and now just want to know if its possible to do something like bind two functions

give me a minute i will show you what i mena

mean

PearsonArtPhoto

See, it's stuff like that which causes me to say I'm not a C++ developer...

yahoo5000

6:40 PM

so here it is

this is my game state machine

and what do i want to do is to bind a GameStateFirstPhase draw function with a CurrentState Draw funtion (one of those 3 )

does this makes any sense ?

PearsonArtPhoto

This is where I say I'm not a C++ programmer...

yahoo5000

:D

okay ty anyway for your time :D

user4704

It sounds like you just want GameState to have "virtual void Draw();"

user4704

And then implement that Draw function in each state subclass.

user4704

In the specific subclasses that inherit from GameStateFirstPhase, the overloaded Draw function also call up to GameStateFirstPhase::Draw to get that parent behavior.

user4704

6:48 PM

(as that's what I understand you want from your description)

user4704

That's pretty basic inheritance and dynamic dispatch stuff, nothing fancy.

yahoo5000

yea i mean i have tried to do GameStateFirstPhase::Draw but that gave me an error i was thinking that i am doing something stupid

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