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@NapoleonWilson Is Capy being a bad influence on you? Staying awake for hours on end and then crashing?
@steelerfan No, I've done such things before for work stuff.
And I'm not posting crazy taco and animal gifs yet, am I?
Ha!! You're right! All of that was done over in Mos Eisley the moment he came back.
What are you doing in here this time of the day?
@steelerfan Oh, I love Labyrinth, own it on DVD, it's just amazing!
11:17
@NapoleonWilson Love that movie. Love David Bowie.
@steelerfan Me? This time of the day? The same I always do, chatting, while drinking my noon wake-up coffee.
@NapoleonWilson I never usually see you in here right now. It is 3:20 am here. Ankit is usually the only one in here at this time when I am working overnight shifts.
@steelerfan Well, it's a bit early for weekend, I guess. I rarely get up before 13:00 on the weekend. And if I do, it's because I gotta lunch externally.
@NapoleonWilson I hear ya. I will be sleeping until about 5-6 pm when I get off work :)
@Walt I might have a guess who it is, but I might also be wrong. Haven't read the latest weekend flood yet.
@steelerfan Normally such articles are to be included. But if the tag name is too long, they're the best candidates for shortening.
11:34
@NapoleonWilson Yeah, Walt was kind enough to explain that to me :)
@Walt I think you can blow this by simply using a multiline chat message (in which case it will just hide the rest behind a "read more" click option).
@steelerfan Well, I made the mistake to register with my real name and photo on SE anyway.
@NapoleonWilson Oh, sorry I missed your pic :( You could have shared in all of the fun we were having earlier :)
I am unhappily working this weekend and its 5:00 P.M.
Now i might even cry and ask for a weekday off :D
@steelerfan What do you mean miss? Anyway, if it wasn't for the botched SE chat parent site system I'd probably go by my real name in chat anyway.
@NapoleonWilson What? I have never seen your real pic. Am I going mad?
11:43
@steelerfan Well, it's practically on every SE account except for the entertainment/arts related things, for which I just use my favourite characters.
@NapoleonWilson Alright, if you're going to make me work for it and go check it out for myself :)
@steelerfan Duh, just click on my top-rep account, which is SO. ;-P
If you want me to spam chat with my likeness, that's unlike(ness)ly to happen.
@NapoleonWilson OMG!! You are so handsome :)
@steelerfan Wow, thank you. <blushing emoticon>
You guys are all so adorable.
11:46
@steelerfan That's what the maniacs in the movies say, right?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Sure. the female "maniacs" :)
@NapoleonWilson Oh huh, you're the christ tau guy.
@NapoleonWilson Famous? I'm honored. :)
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I thought I'd seen that event regularly be advertized in the chat events list. Or was it rather one-shot? Maybe I remember other similar events then.
@NapoleonWilson What do you mean? Events don't get advertised. Can you give me a screenshot?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I just meant the list of chat events, maybe "advertized" was too much.
11:55
@NapoleonWilson Ahh. Then take a look at this and find out:
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Q: The Great Retagging Event - Episode 1: The one-taggers

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.                 TRE will be held at $\ldots$? Famous final words The Retagging Event (TRE) What good is in working so much on cleaning tags if they're not applied to questions? I thought, we should do something extraordinary. Oh no Rationale Editing questions bumps them up; and so...

I am happy we didn't started showing of pictures here.
There are also links to chat logs in which the TRE happened.
@AnkitSharma Why? You have shown me your pic before.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. did you changed you name recently?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Yeah, I will.
11:56
@AnkitSharma Define recently Ankit.
@steelerfan that didn't had my face ;D I think i have used my real pic here many times and stupid area 51 still have my old real picture
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. is that name started with "i" was u?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. So bluntly, are you that M.A.Ramezani(?) guy from ELL?
@AnkitSharma Yep.
@NapoleonWilson Yes. Did I do something?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. No, just out of curiosity and to bring names in relation to people.
Good. For a moment I thought . . .
11:58
@AnkitSharma Oh, stop. Everyone is friendly here. Of course, please don't feel obligated to. We were all just messing around earlier :)
You guys just wait until after my Steelers game. I will be FLOODING you all with pictures :)
@steelerfan "We were all just messing around earlier" - I see, that's how you hold it with the sincerity of your compliments.
@steelerfan You got to tell me where you're actually seated in that.
@NapoleonWilson I was actually referring to the goofballs in Mos Eisley when they were posting all of their pics. I am very sincere when I give a compliment :)
@NapoleonWilson I believe it is around the 20 yard line. My brother in law has the tickets. I will let you know before I leave.
@AnkitSharma You are too hard on yourself. Good picture. Adorable :)
12:14
@steelerfan ohhh....really. :)
You guys are all adorable.
Even the goofballs in Mos Eisley.
@steelerfan I think only two of them shared there pic
@NapoleonWilson knows he is my #1 though :)
@AnkitSharma Wad, N_Soong, Phantom42, Candied Mango all shared.
k......maybe i need to get back to trail more
Later maybe, after office
I aslo need to check many questions from here
@steelerfan I have doubts if N_Soong really looks like Brent Spiner, though. ;-)
12:20
@NapoleonWilson OMG! I was believing that was him! Dammit, he tricked me!! I have no clue who that would be. I have my blonde moments some times. Don't mind me....
@steelerfan Well, I guess it's simply your lack of Star Trek knowledge showing (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), given that he wasn't really in anything else since then (apart from Independence Day) and when he was it was usually to capitalize on his Star Trek fame.
@NapoleonWilson I actually thought that he was serious when he said that his real pic was his avatar. I know exactly who you are talking about now. He is the old "crazy" Doctor that works at Area 51. Dammit N_Soong!!
I was wondering why he kept dropping hints about TV shows. God, I am such an idiot!!
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Q: Movie with one (child) twin kidnapped and sold to a wealthy family. Reunited in later life

kawayne Parker SrThe film starts off with two twins sitting or playing in a yard and a guy reaches over the fence, grabs one of the boys and sells him to a wealthy family. Later on, the kid realize he's friends with his own twin brother. At the end of the film, the stolen twin leaves his biological mother a no...

@steelerfan Well, I'm pretty sure I know who it is and this person should already know how detrimental it is to the site (not that I think he'd care about that anyway).
@NapoleonWilson Well, you would have more inside information than I would. I would have no clue who it would be. I do know what Walt is talking about after I actually had time to look at all of the questions from the past 3-4 days.
@steelerfan I don't have more inside information about votes, it's just a pattern that shows, combined with prejudice and guessing from my side.
@Walt Actually, this is the biggest problem of your site now. Yes, the biggest.
Crap getting upvoted and answered is the worst disease of a growing SE site.
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Proof: Look at trash.SE (AKA math.SE)
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. ID has always been the biggest problem of this site. But sure, even upvoting the shit it doesn't actually help.
13:03
I have a sharp eye on them, but it's your and @Nap's duty to look and write some dramatic meta in order to call people off.
@NapoleonWilson Well, that's too bad. Maybe there should be some sort of prerequisite of IQ level before voting? ;)
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Well, we've tried it, but maybe the meta hasn't been serious enough yet. But unfortunately meta activity is another problem. ;-(
@NapoleonWilson Depends on how we define 'problem'. ID in movies is like HW questions in chem.SE. There isn't a real and good reason to ban them once and for all, and allowing them draws way more traffic to the site.
@AnkitSharma You changed your Avatar pic!! You're awesome!! :))
@NapoleonWilson Poor guys. .__. At least we have an active meta.chem. (Or I think it's that way)
The best thing I like about chem is that people decide something and then abide by it.
Meta posts work, not just come and go.
13:05
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Yeah, but what traffic? Most of those users are never ever coming back at all, let alone to contribute non-ID stuff. And the questions are simply distorting the brand of what the site is about, leading to an actual exodus of great users.
@NapoleonWilson They do ask questions.
Perhaps rather than relying on downvotes, you could (as mod), ask the community to define a set of minimum standards for Ident questions, then simply close anything that fails to meet those standards.
That would obviously require a meta.
@Buffybot This is the way.
Downvotes are a very unpleasant way for people to work out that they're doing wrong.
@Buffybot That minimum standard exists, though. If people disregard it when deciding to upvote is a different question, though. But ok, maybe we just have to be clearer.
13:13
Whereas force-closing it, with a link to the standards in the comments is much more pleasant for new users
@Buffybot Granted.
@Buffybot Mere sympathy upvotes for crap aren't great either, though.
@NapoleonWilson Do you have a post titled "How do I ask ID questions in movies.SE?"?
As a minimum you need to define "answerable" much more closely. I've seen questions that are answered being described as unanswerable.
e.g. Which they clearly aren't. QED
@Buffybot Granted, that sure needs rewording, it's about "effort" more than "answerability".
@NapoleonWilson - A poorly worded close is liable to lead to bad feelings.
13:15
@steelerfan You inspired me and this pic is atleast not that old
@AnkitSharma awwww, glad I could inspire you :)
@Buffybot It's here under Identify-This-X Questions, though, granted, it's not the most visible location for it.
And 'unanswerable' is indeed poorly phrased IMO. I think I told the Mods this already.
@Walt On the other hand, people who don't read the help center won't search meta either.
@Walt Indeed you did.
@Walt Not poorly phrased, but general and vague. Everything general and vague fails in practice.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Sure.
13:20
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Unfortunately it's hard to give clear and strict guidelines on it, though, sicne they don't really exist. You need to mention at least a decade accurate timeframe and a continent-accurate production country? If that fails, how much can more time accuracy make up for lacking country accuracy. And how much can more story accurary make up for lacking meta accuracy?
Guys! You should have strict set of rules, so when you faced an ID question, you could easily and clearly say "this doesn't do X as mentioned in the ID policy, VTC."
@NapoleonWilson Maybe require at least 3 criteria from, like, the 7 criteria that usually get mentioned?
So any post that has 3 specifications remains open. Otherwise, -1, VTC.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. But then what. What about a crappy non-descript 2-liner that actually gives that meta information but still lacks significant detail/effort at a whole?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. - I like this idea. "VTC as this post doesn't meet at least 3 of the 7 accepted criteria for an ID question"
1) Genre
2) Whether it's a Movie/Documentary/TV serial, etc
3) Likely year of production (or at least decade)
@NapoleonWilson I don't even care anymore if people say they're not sure what country or year it's from if they just say it, because it showed they at least tried.
4) Any stars or cast they can recall
13:24
@Walt Indeed, it's about friggin' effort and has always been. Unfortunately, though, that's also less clear to measure.
5) Likely Country of origin
and two more
@NapoleonWilson The only thing you can do to lack of effort is -1, unless you require minimal effort, as we require in our homework policy.
And still, save your breath for the edge cases.
You're resolving the main cases. That's an improvement.
And I'm happy to reopen a closed ID question when someone actually added new substantial information (how rarely that may happen), even if it isn't actually adding an additional one of the 7 information categories. As the close then actually served its pedagogical purpose.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. But the main cases do largely work. Crap is closed and downvoted and good stuff stays open and gets upvoted.
@NapoleonWilson And that includes what percent of the questions?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Pff, don't know. Questions.
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Q: querky comedy in english language

jackson darrellbritish film (english, irish, scottish, welsh?) -- in color some sort of 1 word clerical or scholarly reference in a 3-4 word title (apostate, cleric's, petitioner???) in beginning wealthy, older man meets with his confidential friend and a nephew? -- they talk of shifting or transferring iden...

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Q: Watching Star Vijay online in India

JoshDoes anyone know how to watch Star Vijay online? I have tried using Kodi. I can view all other channels but not Star Vijay.

@MovieReel O__o
@all That being said, your input is appreciated and we'll try to think about it.
OK, take this into account that since you don't have stats, your intuition may be lying to you @Walt @Nap. The extreme cases -- the odd ones -- are the ones that get the most attention and frustrate the most. So what if you're whining for no good reason? Humans tend to over-exaggerate stuff.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I thought you mean the percentage of questions that are edge cases when you asked about percentage. No, the actually crapp questions (that are not edge case or good ones) are a big majority.
13:36
@NapoleonWilson Some improve, though. (After prompting, usually)
Neither do I feel being concerned about the future of this site devolving into a lair of crap nobody cares about as exaggerating more than being genuinely worried. But I also admit that many users can afford the luxury of not having to worry about the site's future in that way.
@NapoleonWilson A lot of crap isn't un-salvageable. A lot of crapped that's being received with an answer or an upvote is, though.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Yeah, that's what I was whining about, really. (Well, today, anyway.)
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Well, the problem is that for any question category other than ID you don't necessarily need the actual asker to salvage the question on a fundamental level.
@NapoleonWilson Dunno about that. A lot of questions need clarifications.
13:41
@Walt But mostly the rough idea is recognizable, though.
@NapoleonWilson Yeah, I guess
13:52
@NapoleonWilson "Story about a world where humans are living in some sort of virtual reality environment. Had Keanu Reeves in it" = 2 out of 7 criteria but instantly recognisable.
@Buffybot And awful shit, so...?
"Indian language Bollywood film made in the 1990s, starred Adoor Bhasi About a man who has issues with his wife" = meets 6 out of 7 criteria just from the title but is totally unanswerable.
@Buffybot And shows equally less effort, so...?
@NapoleonWilson - There's no "so", I'm just pointing stuff out.
@Buffybot @Richard Love the new profile on SFF! :-)
13:55
@Buffybot Ah, ok. Then yeah, I agree with your point that simply meeting those X out of X info points is not really enough to measure quality.
For the record, I'm largely on your side. Bad/unanswerable ID questions should be closed. But they should be closed by you, not reliant on downvotes from the community
Are you on strike from answering over there, or just from editing/flagging/reviewing?
@randal'thor - Glad you approve
@randal'thor - Still deciding.
@Buffybot Sure, but it doesn't help when the community is divided on things and upvotes bad questions that then provide the wrong impression of what the site is supposed to be. (Not saying this is entirely the upvoters' fault.)
@NapoleonWilson - Hence the need for a powerful meta question that can be referred to
Perhaps schedule a chat event to encourage people to thrash it out.
13:56
What? @Buffybot is Richard? Jesus Christ I am losing it right now!
"Hello. I'm Buffybot. I'm a chatbot operated by @Richard on SFF:SE. If I'm acting weird, it's his fault. Go yell at him."
@randal'thor He's apparently not on strike from chatting at least. ;-)
@NapoleonWilson - I presume I'm welcome to chat here under my alter ego.
Given that you have at least one active member/chatter who's had their account destroyed on SFF:SE
@NapoleonWilson Not on M&TV at least.
@randal'thor - I am banned from Mos Eisley for the next 87 days.
13:58
@Buffybot Well, by me personally? Sure, or at least as welcome as Richard was. ;-P But frankly I'm not so sure about SE, since it isn't an indirect chat-ban due to parent site suspension but an actual chat suspension.
@Buffybot So, did you hear that BENGALS LOST!!!! :))
@steelerfan - How did the Steelers do?
@Buffybot Yeah, and he 's chat-banned, but didn't circumvent the chat-ban yet. (And is a great contributor on the site in general.)
@Buffybot THEY WON!!
@steelerfan - Boo!
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@Buffybot From the whole of SFF chat (at least), if I understand correctly how chat suspensions work.
@randal'thor - I am happy to be led by @NapoleonWilson or any other mods/CMs who happen to be in the vicinity. My understanding is that my chat ban applies to my @richard account on SFF and specifically to Mos Eisley rather than any other accounts that I operate.
@randal'thor This is where I'm unsure. It is actually a chat suspension from the entirety of SE's chat and you're not supposed to do anything with a sockpuppet that you ucan't do with a single account.
I can't take all of these aliases!!!!
@NapoleonWilson - Please ask on my behalf. In the meantime I shall resume lurking.
@NapoleonWilson Hence my "(at least)". You're the mod though - you tell us!
@steelerfan Richard = Buffybot, Wad Cheber = Capy Stenchbeast, cde = Passerby ... that's all I can think of right now.
14:02
@Buffybot I will do so. (And let it be known, that apart from our obvious differences this isn't me trying to bully you out of chat, your constructive ID isnights today are appreciated.)
@randal'thor My head is literally going to explode.
@steelerfan Make sure you have a mango seed ready to plant then!
(inter-chatroom jokes :-D )
@randal'thor HA HA. Mango cracks me up :)
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Q: Why is the child disclaimer incomplete?

Kate GregoryThe third season of Masters of Sex has a disclaimer that ends by telling us ... the children Tessa, Henry, Johnny, and Jenny are fictional. Thing is, Masters has 3 children in this season. I don't know the name or gender of the third, but there have been several scenes in which it is clearl...

14:32
@Buffybot It seems you are indeed not supposed to chat on @Richard's behalf anywhere on the whole of SE's chat network.
14:53
Ugh. I'm sick of Christmas music ALREADY!!!
@steelerfan its only November.
@AnkitSharma EXACTLY!! They have this damn station on at work that is playing non-stop Christmas music. It's driving me crazy!!!
Anyways i am just busy in cursing people in my heart for killing my weekend
And missed all that ID discussion and didn't put input either
@AnkitSharma I'm sorry :(
@AnkitSharma I wasn't even getting into that :)
@NapoleonWilson i don't mind if something like 3 out of 7 essential info for ID rule passed.
14:59
@AnkitSharma I explained my arguments why that IMHO fails as a good criterium.
3 more hours to go.... :)
@NapoleonWilson i need to read whole transcript , as i have read fucking 100+ question.
@steelerfan shift end?
@AnkitSharma Yes!!!
Great
I might even break someones head before leaving office or my own
I am working a double shift. I don't get out of here for 3 more hours.
I believe I will only break my own head. I cannot break anyone else's here ;)
15:12
Last night after office i had office party and there i have to drop a colleague (which i hate the most) to his home because he is too drunk too even walk on his own. And now after all that with 4 hour sleep i am working on weekend.
And this same guy is responsible for this weekend work.
15:29
@NapoleonWilson Except meta chat, I assume? Since chat.meta.SE is a whole different system from chat.SE.
@randal'thor Indeed, as is SO's chat.
@Richard If you want, you could set up a meta chatroom for your fans to come and chat to you ;-)
15:51
@AnkitSharma awwwww, I am sorry. At least you were nice enough to drive him home :)
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alrighty then :)
On that note, I am outta here.
16:23
Woah. What'd I miss?
@WadCheber Nothing, apparently. ;-P
(Seriously though, it was nothing serious, just a rehashing about a user's chat suspension over and over again that didn't seem to add anything. It was not at any negative severity levels at all, but simply felt unnecessary. And I'd rather uphold a philosophy of not discussing user suspensions and their reasons to death, as might be known to be a problem from other chatrooms.)
Very sensible.
I left the parts of the conversation that bear actual information value, though.
17:00
Do we know if @Richard set up such a room?
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Q: Have there ever been considerations about releasing the actual movie whose production The Act of Killing documents?

Napoleon WilsonJoshua Oppenheimer's documentary The Act of Killing observes original perpetrators of the 1965 Indonesian anti-communist purge reenact their killings in the form of movie scenes in whatever cinematic genres they choose, resulting in a wide range of disturbing movie scenes growing in surrealism. H...

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I keep reading "Capy" as "Captain".
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Q: Looking for old animated pegasus movie

CaitlinLooking to find an old animated (2D) movie about a Pegasus. I distinctly remember that my mother used to check it out from the local public library for me to watch so it must have been in the early '90s, but the animation style looked like it could have been from much earlier. I don't remember ma...

 
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@WadCheber Sausage man?
Oh no no. Lemme think.
The Salsa?
Hints: Cult classic. Brilliant soundtrack.
 
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Q: Looking for great philosophical / life related films

Miguel Ruizthis week I have seen Interstellar and it was an extremly beautiful experience. I'm not a person too much in touch with my feelings but this film went realy deep inside of me, making me cry as I have never cried before. The sci-fi scenario doesnt care to much in my opinion, but it does the myster...

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Q: i need help to find a movie!

Rocky17movie is about two robbers something like bonnie and clyde,young man and his girlfriend robbing around,she is daughter of local sheriff,and i know on the end police surround the gas station and when they come out he takes out the chocolate stucked in his pants the police kills them both

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Q: movie about a guy going into a store and then pushes a row of domino's he then gets burned with acid

yvonnei watched a movie very long ago about a group of people that gets trapped in a small town. All i remember is a scene where the guy goes into the abandoned store then pushes over a row of domino's only it leading to a acid bottle and then gets burnt in his leg. i also remember a scene where the gi...

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Q: Name of a painting in Wall Street (1987)

user1128791I am looking for a name of the painting or artist featured in Bud's apartment. I tried to google the artists in credits but no luck.

@MovieReel I'm gonna buy every single copy of Mindhunters and then rent them at 1,000$ a pop upon request. I'magonnabe a millionaire.
 
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@MovieReel Should I answer this? Isn't it currently trivia?
@Walt One could ask what it contributes to the scene, though.
@NapoleonWilson I kinda did, in a comment
Or at least hinted at it
@NapoleonWilson In any case, brace yourself for Sunday :/ They're already trickling in
@Walt Fortunately I got a few more Star Trek questions to retag so I should be able to overspam 'em a bit.
@NapoleonWilson Hmm, Trek Q's or bad ID... it's a toughie
@NapoleonWilson Richard seems interested, at least. I'll put it up; if it's trivia, VTC
23:50
@Walt Meh, if the "trivia" votes come, we can still extend the question (whatever that'll do with your answer, though).
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