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I haven't seen that yet. But after my impressions of the first one together with everyone else's and with things I heard about the 2nd one, I haven't yet felt the urge to.

M.A.R.

I watched Creed I long ago, but I think one thing I didn't like was the "Oh look a black guy can totally be the hero!" written all over it. WE DON'T NEED TO FRIGGING KNOW THAT, SHOW US THE BLACK GUY!

Napoleon Wilson

That didn't really bother me. I just thought it really offered nothing new to the genre and the Rocky films at all.

M.A.R.

8:04 PM

I mean, which is a better execution? Keeping in mind a racial message all the time, and basing some things off of that, or showing how the black guy can do what the white guy did as well, or maybe even better?

@NapoleonWilson Again, I watched it long ago, so it might not even be my own interpretation of it accurately

Napoleon Wilson

And in contrast to a poor dude who really doesn't have another chance than to box himself through pork torsos, you just got a little rich kid trying to show his dead pa that he's cool by playing boxer a little. That left a bit of a strange taste.

M.A.R.

@NapoleonWilson Creed II is the Dark Boxer Rises but well-executed.

It has more character development and that makes it more likeable.

@NapoleonWilson Ditto

Napoleon Wilson

And when he's had it with the boxing, he can just go back to the stock market.

M.A.R.

Yeah, a bit of an ego fight.

Napoleon Wilson

And I heard the 2nd part would continue in this vein from about the only other person I know that didn't fall all over themsleves for the 1st one either.

M.A.R.

8:06 PM

That's visible in Creed II too.

steelersquirrel

I'm outta here! See you sillies later!

Napoleon Wilson

But anyway, I still enjoyed it. It wasn't a bad film. It just left me kind of disappointed after everyone hailed it as the best thing ever.

@steelersquirrel Have funsies!

M.A.R.

@NapoleonWilson Here's what the second part does better: The villain is not a blank statement. They have some character build-up for him too. Creed also still has his ego, but the film tells us you should go box for your family. Because, um, Drago was gonna pull a gun at them in the street and mug them? Anyway.

@steelersquirrel \o

Napoleon Wilson

I even heard people say it has a totally suprising end. And what actually happened was exactly the end I expected. ;-)

The ending of Rocky was more surprising at that.

M.A.R.

But the ego is less of a focus in the plot and there's some negative spin put on it, so that is why it left a better taste in my mouth

@NapoleonWilson Creed I?

That, um, they climb stairs?

Napoleon Wilson

8:09 PM

@M.A.R. Yes.

M.A.R.

Or, heh. That he doesn't immediately become champ? What the heck is surprising about that?

Creed I does the fighting better. It's more intense.

Creed II is pretty solid too there but it feels more like a nice sports event you anticipated. Like a good soccer match, I dunno. It's good but not extraordinary.

All in all, I would probably maybe potentially recommend it to someone who wants to watch some boxing movie.

But if they don't, do I think they miss out on anything? Definitely not.

And IMO if a movie claims to be phenomenal or groundbreaking or revolutionary, it should be something every movie watcher should see.

Napoleon Wilson

Jul 29 '18 at 22:20, by Napoleon Wilson

I found Rocky Balboa a little more original maybe, as original as a Rocky film can get, I guess. But maybe that's just because I've seen that more often.

M.A.R.

I think it's thing after 2014 or something, or maybe it's just because I'm a little kid growing up, that it became all too common for a global overhyped buzz over a movie or a director taking over the news for so long

Napoleon Wilson

Also true.

M.A.R.

It's more common and durable.

Napoleon Wilson

8:17 PM

It's one of the consequences of globalized internet hype paranoia. Like the whole social media bullshittery, and victim culture, and whatever else makes the life of sane people worse.

M.A.R.

Like It. It's a great movie, OK. I would recommend it to other people, definitely. But it's not revolutionizing the genre or whatever it claimed it was doing

Napoleon Wilson

Also true.

I didn't find it shockingly scary.

M.A.R.

It just rehashed on what the good movies on the genre did good.

@NapoleonWilson sometimes the music was over-the-top too.

Loud and annoying when it would have worked better if it was subtle.

Napoleon Wilson

But there's also a big nostalgia factor to IT. Not just the film itself (being an 80's nostalgia setting par excellence) but also its whole reception. The people watching it now are the same people that grew up with the 90s TV movie.

M.A.R.

Waha, waha, waha, waha, waha

I agree with that.

Napoleon Wilson

8:19 PM

And those people probably found it totally scary back then, too. I mean, we talked in school about it (although, I hadn't seen it until much later either). But really, if you watch it today, it's practically a prime time TV movie. ;-)

M.A.R.

A middle-aged man introduced me to this meme. Or this meme to me.

The next one I can recall easily was Shape of Water.

Napoleon Wilson

But I'm looking forward to the new one, it was a neat film afterall. And now it has Jessica Chastain! \o/

M.A.R.

People who can't spell "Guillermo" right were suddenly like "OMG this director is the undisputed king of drama and stuff"

@NapoleonWilson I have watched the old one, parts of it, and a few scenes from the new one

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Q: Den of thieves question

Where did Donnie get the money from at the end of Den of thieves? He was handcuffed but got free. Did he find the second garbage truck? Did he divert the other thieves?

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Q: What is meaning of “these lederhosen are riding up my Bundesliga” in Penguins of Madagascar movie?

What is common between German traditional trousers and German soccer/football league? Scene where is that sentence:

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Jenayah

11:44 PM

@NapoleonWilson I had no idea there was a second one...

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