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9:00 PM
They train high pressure problem solving to work in a relaxed way as opposed to training you to zone out and react dramatically.
 
I've known 2 people who when on their drug highs they get super aggressive. but they are perfectly fine when clean
 
@Dave I've seen many that become aggressive with alcohol
 
I know more than 2 people who were mean and aggressive all their lives, until they got on drugs.
 
snake5 i know i already expressed my displeasure of drunk people
 
if not agressive, at least careless and/or destructive
 
9:01 PM
you mean you don't like drunk people who bother you
 
if they are proven they cant handle the substance they personally should be banned from it
 
lol just give everyone unlimited everything, problem will solve itself quickly (the police officers I hang out with all believe in this idea, btw)
 
(not mine)
 
@MickLH too bad it's just not possible
 
9:02 PM
That's ridiculous.
 
@Dave again, hurting others is already illegal, even via negligence. adding another law will only fuck over people who drink and don't hurt others.
 
I don't like newgrounds.
Kongregate is better.
 
@IcyDefiance i said ban those who can't handle it. not those who are responsible with it
 
@BlueBug Please switch to kongregate.
 
kongregate.com ? is it because of the ads?
 
9:04 PM
Yes.
 
then again i have issues with some one smoking weed for example with a child in the same room. given it can harm brain development
 
@IcyDefiance too bad those hurting others are careless because of the drinking
 
Not so much the fact that they have ads, more because the content of the ads.
 
Aye.... kongregate.com does have only 3 ads. Far less than newgrounds.com
 
And it has this annoying background.
 
9:04 PM
@Dave then I have no idea what point you're trying to make. if you drink and beat the shit out of someone then you're gonna get arrested for beating the shit out of someone.
 
Anime everywhere.
 
@Dave Then you should have some serious issues with fluoridated drinking water.
 
I don't like anime.
 
@IcyDefiance but your still not banned from drinking.
 
will do so, next time, got ya.
 
9:05 PM
@MickLH no because i dont have flouridated water :)
 
@Dave no, because if you learn your lesson and start only drinking at home alone, what's wrong with that?
drinking isn't the problem. hurting someone is.
 
@IcyDefiance because once your too drunk some people have no self control.
once your drunk some addicts have no will power
 
@Dave Neither do I, but tons of children do. What happened to "durggiez R soooo bad cuz dey kil kidz"
 
im not 100% sure how dangerous flouride is in water for the brain
but theres been a lot of research for it on other drugs
 
@Dave and a smart person would realize that after the first time and take measures before drinking to make sure that lack of will power won't result in something bad again.
 
9:06 PM
then do even the slightest amount of cursory research, @Dave
 
@IcyDefiance you assume the world contains no stupid people ?
 
no, but if someone hurts a person again, he'll be punished again
again, it's hurting people that is the problem, not drinking
 
I mean, seriously, the slightest amount of cursory research will show you that fluoride does more damage over a wider range of functions faster and more permanently.
 
@MickLH until theres real world results i don't how any research can be factual flouride water has been around a while now. not seeing a global issue in the west
 
I am done with this topic, please research if you ever want to speak of it again.
 
9:07 PM
@Dave the laws you are proposing will only screw over the people who aren't stupid.
 
@Dave Weed has been around longer, so your fallacy looks stupid.
 
@IcyDefiance if you got drunk and hurt some one - then you are surely stupid so i think banning those who cannot handle it aka repeat drunk offences = ban them from being able to buy alchahol is a good idea
 
Where is the problem weed caused? By that logic there's no problem with that either.
 
@MickLH and weed can cause mental health problems
 
Just like fluoride.
 
9:08 PM
many drug users develop anxiety for example
then why dont we all have anxiety disorders lol
 
Every fluoride user develops the physical symptoms, do cursory research before you say another word.
 
@Dave you don't prevent repeat offenses by banning them from drinking, because you can only catch them after they drink anyway. it's the exact same thing.
 
I wonder if they would develop such anxiety
If it wasn't a controlled substance
 
@Dave why don't I have anxiety?
 
the only difference between punishing someone for drinking and punishing someone for hurting someone is the former hurts people who aren't stupid about it
 
9:09 PM
I smoke weed every day lol, a lot of it
 
@IcyDefiance they ban sex offenders from going near schools is it any different
@MickLH go clean and we shall see. its when you withdraw the problems arise
 
So what are we arguing here?
 
@Dave I have.
@Noctrine nothing
 
:(
 
@MickLH your still smoking it every day you said?
 
9:09 PM
I'm trying to open @Dave's eyes to the fallacy he's spewing
 
@Dave tbh I don't see the point of that either. you can't know whether a sex offender is near a school or not until after he's near a school and caught. you didn't prevent anything. you just punished someone who didn't plan on repeating his crime.
 
i'll stick to what research shows on the drugs. whilst some will come out with no issues - this is not the case for many.
 
@Dave I am the one who researches this on an almost daily basis.
 
Unfortunately, the state of most drug research is heavily skewed by self interests.
 
I mean there is nothing you can say without doing research, literally none of your emotional views matter to me.
 
9:10 PM
ill stick to following those qualified in the profession to do the research.
:)
 
lol as if you even know what any research says
 
its debated all the time.
 
@Dave Thanks for proving that you're only emotionally projecting. Good day .
 
good day to you to.
 
What are we arguing about?
 
9:11 PM
@AidanMueller We're not arguing.
 
antivaccers claim the research is behind them too. problem is they don't actually look at any of the research. they just hear other people saying the research is behind them and then regurgitate it. which is exactly what you're doing here, @Dave.
 
I tried to help @Dave understand the fallacy he made, and it's hurting his ego too much to admit it so I gave up.
 
Looks like "Drugs are bad" - @AidanMueller
 
@Noctrine Totally a Game Dev topic. ;)
 
not so much "drugs are bad" as "laws against drugs are useful"
 
9:12 PM
@IcyDefiance what are you on about ? research on weed for example has been done for decades and continuously mental health is big problem for many who clean their act up from it.
it costs us tax payers in the UK a lot of money
 
I am not claiming it either way, I simply value precise communication and logic.
 
"lot" of money
you know what costs a LOT of money? laws against drugs.
 
not as much as our health service
 
just look at the budget of the US drug war
 
Lol, the funny part is that's proven.
 
9:13 PM
it's fucking insaaaaane
 
we pay for their treatment they don't pay it themselves.
 
Ahh, drugs. Such a fun discussion.
 
you pay a shitload more to punish drug users than to treat them. as in several orders of magnitude more.
 
no we don't lol the budget for nhs is massive compared to the jail service
 
Jon
would you put a guy in jail for drinking?
 
9:15 PM
that is the dumbest comparison I have heard in years
 
@Dave You know what's awesome about my life?
 
and after debating with creationists for years, that's saying something
 
drug crime gives you tiny sentences and also you go through nhs treatment at same time so any one in jail also goes through the nhs
 
Jon
would you put a guy in jail for taking prescription drugs that are not prescribed to him?
 
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9:15 PM
@MickLH don't care lol
 
how am I supposed to respond to that? T_T
 
@Jon no we don't i dont think
 
in the US, 90% of what the NSA does is just chasing people who possess drugs, and they have a virtually unlimited budget
 
Jon
Point is.. if you are a user, you are not harming anyone but yourself
stupid to put those people in jail
 
@Jon not always the case
 
9:16 PM
@Icy Dave isn't from the US.
He said NHS, he's from the UK.
 
Jon
If you are robbing peolpe to feed your drug use. then that is a different topic
 
and if you do harm someone other than yourself, you get put in jail for harming someone, NOT for using the drug
 
most drug users here are told. go to rehab or go to jail.
unless u committed a crime then you do both
without choice
 
Jon
If you are just buying drugs and doing drugs, hell why the heck are we sending these people to jail? they need help
 
and if you do harm someone other than yourself, you get put in jail for harming someone, NOT for using the drug
 
9:17 PM
This morning I was greeted by 4 different women who love me, and I don't have to cook or wash dishes for any of them ;) I just sit at home enjoying myself literally all day every day, well except when I need to work once or twice a week for an hour maybe at $1000/hour to maintain my lifestyle. @Dave oh well it matters to me lol
 
Jon
that is fine.
if you want to drink javex, thats up to you
 
this point is so fucking important it should just be repeated endlessly in every conversation about drugs or really any law.
and if you do harm someone other than yourself, you get put in jail for harming someone, NOT for using the drug
 
@MickLH The beginning of that sounds like those "You can be like me if you buy my guide" things :p
 
@Jon what if they are smoking it with kids in the same room as them ? (this also applies to nicotine which is also debated here)
 
Jon
take the kids away
 
9:18 PM
but then you punished them
the user that is.
 
the US bans smoking in public areas, but not by yourself. tbh I think that's perfect.
 
Jon
if they can't take care of kids, then that is a major problem
 
here, I have a link for you
The non-aggression principle (NAP)—also called the non-aggression axiom, the zero aggression principle (ZAP), the anti-coercion principle, or the non-initiation of force principle—is a moral stance which asserts that aggression is inherently illegitimate. NAP and property rights are closely linked, since what aggression is depends on what a person's rights are. Aggression, for the purposes of NAP, is defined as the initiation or threatening of violence against a person or legitimately owned property of another. Specifically, any unsolicited actions of others that physically affect an individual...
 
but they may be a great parents beside that one flaw
 
@Noctrine hahaha I should write a book: "Lesser fucks, Greater glory"
 
Jon
9:18 PM
government shouldn't have a say in what you can and can't do with your own body
 
the NAP should be the ONLY factor considered for making laws
 
Jon
Micheal Phelps prooved this jerk wrong.
 
Damn government propaganda, always trying to keep the power away from people sheesh
There's a reason they used to call drugs entheogens
 
Jon
DRUGS... fuck they make drugs legal all the time.. prescription drugs are a major problem
yet, marijuana is illegal?
 
the problem is if you lower the punishment of lets say heroin which is v.addcitive, people can get caught in a spiral they can't break out of. too high to even call for a rehab intenvention and some simply OD and die cos they are so out of it. maybe thats natural selection but it a risk to do that.
 
Jon
9:20 PM
fuck the government's policy on drugs
 
@Dave Proven false.
Do cursory research.
 
marijuana is not only illegal, the US government classifies it as one of the most dangerous substances on the planet.
 
I know the effects of heroin.
 
@IcyDefiance It is, to the profit margins of Du Pont
Hemp destroys plastic.
 
Jon
Its completely bullshit... they prescribe mind altering drugs to kids
 
9:21 PM
@Dave Cool emotional judgement bro, I'll stick to the professionals results instead of someone ... lol
 
Jon
yet, if you give your dying kid marijuana, you go to jail
 
im not asking you to take on my words. im saying my own experience.
 
Jon
when shit doesn't make sense, i get mad
 
dont need research in that
 
@Dave See, you're proving to an exactness that you're relying on your own emotional guesses.
 
9:22 PM
There was a really good guide to making Pixel art, anymore remember it?
 
what part of "experience" is a guess?
 
Jon
you can't make a fucken plant illegal, while saying in god we trust.
 
@Dave actually people are gonna use drugs whether it's illegal or not. the difference is if it's illegal you just throw them in jail instead of treating them and it doesn't fix a damn thing because they'll start using it again as soon as they get back out because they're addicted.
 
i didn't dream that reality
 
the law you're requesting is one of the most cruel things you can possibly do to drug users
 
9:22 PM
@Dave The part where you draw arbitrary conclusions without a scientific process.
 
why can't jail be part of treatment it keeps them away from walk to a dealer and buying more.
 
@MickLH And various other industries.
 
Just blindly saying your opinions about it are fact, because you have "experience".
 
abortion is the same way
 
Obvious fallacy is obvious.
 
9:23 PM
@MickLH science or not i know my own life experiences.
 
if you make abortion illegal, the number of abortions that happen does not decrease
they just start doing it with coat hangars instead
 
25 secs ago, by MickLH
Just blindly saying your opinions about it are fact, because you have experience.
 
Jon
it just makes black markets more profitable
 
@IcyDefiance but in jail there are no dealers to buy drugs :)
@MickLH heroin was not my opinion. it was my experience. do you even read what im trying to tell you here?
 
Pixel Art Tutorial
 
9:24 PM
i know first hand of it. regardless of science.
 
@Dave so you're going to keep them in jail long enough to force them to quit cold turkey? jesus, dude, you really are cruel.
 
Your conclusions are your opinions.
1 min ago, by MickLH
Just blindly saying your opinions about it are fact, because you have experience.
 
Jon
if people want to do heroin, who the fuck am I to say no?
god, its your own right to do whatever you want with your body
 
@IcyDefiance what do you think rehab is. going cold turkey
 
and AGAIN, if they don't hurt anyone, why the FUCK you would throw them in jail?
 
Jon
9:24 PM
if I want to eat chocolate until i explode, who is going to stop me?
 
why is this question being ignored?
 
Jon
if i want to kill myself who is going to stop me?
If i want to do drugs, who is going to stop me?
 
you ALREADY get thrown in jail for hurting people. if that happens, jail time will happen.
banning drugs will ONLY hurt people who use the drugs and don't hurt people
 
@IcyDefiance you don't hurt any one when you steal from a bank but you land up in jail
 
bullshit. you hurt a lot of people.
 
Jon
9:25 PM
if i want to kill someone, then you can stop me
 
you're beyond lying and down to flat out ignoring logic, now
 
@Jon Even that's iffy, what if you want to kill hitler
 
no im not
 
keep going, maybe at some point I'll start laughing instead of looking incredulously at my monitor
 
Jon
@MickLH hahaha
hitler is already dead
 
9:25 PM
you experience inconvenience at most from a bank job
 
lol Hitler 2.0*
 
Annnnd close
That was fun.
 
@Noctrine Pixel art tutorial?!
 
Jon
 
Say whaaaa!!
 
9:26 PM
I found one.
 
@Noctrine I'm waiting for this to be reopened so I can answer it: gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/86731/…
 
:O people still do that?
 
So, if your wind power + the cows you send to the mill = "Cow Power", what do I name the spendable resource?
 
Jon
life
 
Cattleium
 
9:27 PM
@Noctrine ++
 
hahah, Love it
 
/Drugs.
 
@Noctrine Nice title.
LOL
 
Jon
we need to go back to gold standard
 
Now it's mostly just the phase of a microscopic electromagnetic field
 
9:29 PM
any way it seems USA has a different set of circumstances going on
 
That's what your money is lol, safe bet right?
 
This room was placed in timeout for 1 minute; the topic of this room is "Game development and other polite discussion. Please don't star trivial messages." - conversation should be limited to that topic.
:|
 
My bad...
I complained about a political ad I saw
 
First Post!
 
9:31 PM
@MickLH winner!
 
@SpartanDonut Is it just me, or do you accidentally start a lot of fights :P
 
Uhhh....
 
I'm glad I went ballsy on the timing, chat lets you send 2 seconds early
 
I think it's just you
 
Wait… was I just temporarily chat-blocked? Wut? There were numbers counting down in the bottom of my chat page.
 
9:31 PM
@bjb568 Everyone was
 
@bjb568 room was on timeout
 
Jon
hehe
 
Oh.
 
Noctrine was all like "go sit in a corner!" to the room
 
Jon
dunce cap for everyone
 
9:32 PM
@Noctrine shot the room in the face with a tranquilizer darts
 
I was playing LoL and didn't see the mess I created
 
2 mins ago, by Noctrine
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Hrm. Verizon says I can get an extra 4GB of data
 
^^ Oh derrr
 
damn it and now I want to play LoL instead of programming more
 
9:32 PM
with my current plan with no changes
 
thanks, Donut
 
Lies?
 
@IcyDefiance any time
 
Jon
verizon cannot be trusted.
its like an ex wife on drugs
 
@Jon No carrier can.
 
9:33 PM
@Jon lol oh shit that totally is verizon
what's T-Mobile?
 
did any on see the Star Citizen live stream last night
 
@Jon I mean, sure they have the ad token thingy, but if you're doing things you don't want people to know about on your phone... kinda a bad decision on your part.
 
@Dave nah, too much fluff in those things. I want a summary.
 
Jon
TL;DW;
 
9:34 PM
@hichris123 Privacy deadening advocate?
 
summary
 
Jon
summarize it for us @Dave
 
first person shooter in zero G
 
@bjb568 hmm?
 
4vs4
 
9:34 PM
@bjb568 Privacy is dead, it's so dead man get ready for it to go zombie
 
pvp
 
Jon
cool.. so you can exit ships and shoot people?
 
yes
 
Jon
why not just blast them from the ship?
pew pe wpew
 
mixed with corny military speak by the devs though
depends on your mission @Jon blowing up valuable intel ain't good :P
 
Jon
9:35 PM
:)
shoot first, ask questions later
thats how I game
 
US cops style
 
Jon
LOL, exactly
 
shoot first, load the savegame when you get mission failed instantly from shooting first
 
Jon
:D
 
@hichris123 You want privacy to go away with the excuse that people shouldn't have to hide anything?
 
Jon
9:36 PM
i do that in skyrim all the time
save -- go on killing rampage
 
@MickLH It isn't that dead…
 
@bjb568 Dude the Wolfram people will find the closed form solution to the universe and then what? :P
3
 
can't save on an mmo though lol
 
@bjb568 Nah. But if you're doing stuff with your bank & stuff that needs security, do me a favor and don't do it on your phone. Do it at home: there's a lot more security there.
 
@hichris123 Ah.
 
9:41 PM
I haven't made progress on my game in a while, not since skeletal animations
I haven't even integrated the animations into the character controller yet lol.
 
get to werk
get twerk
 
TW_TW_TW_TW_TW_TW_
 
How long does it take to questions get reopened? I got the answer in my notepad ready to be pasted in T_T
 
@Lasse Questions?
Answers don't get closed…
 
oh, right, yes, questions
 
9:43 PM
Question link?
 
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lol
 
Gahhhhh noooo brain stop wanting to do fun things, I want to try out Roslyn
 
(new Thread(() => Engine.CreateWindow("test", 640, 480))).Start();
not sure I like this syntax... XD
 
Screenshot from Delkan (a rl friend of mine in the jam):
His words are: Panda, Imagination, Blue, Timetravel, and Explosion
 
wat
 
9:51 PM
@bjb568 Ah, we're in the middle of a Game Jam!
 
@JohnMcDonald You never put the jam up on compohub!
 
:"( I tried, but it was too late
 
@JohnMcDonald Oooh. Looks fun!
 
@JohnMcDonald are there any words left?
 
@MickLH Yeah, we have at least 2 known drop outs. Did you want in?
 
9:53 PM
@JohnMcDonald Well I was thinking about it, and it just blindsided me that it already started
I guess there's time lol yes
@JohnMcDonald werdweredsdwerdswerdwersWERDSPLZ
 
Dun dun dun, how do I fairly assign you works. I guess it's easiest to randomly pick among the word sets from those who have dropped out
 
lol if it's a hassle don't worry about it
 
Pip
@JohnMcDonald nice
@MickLH it should be easy for him to do :)
and master coderz Mick has a lot of time
I expect stunningly amazing results
 
lol pip. expect pong
 
Pip
I just finished my SPI stuff for robotics :)
lol
 
9:56 PM
If I get words that I can get away with doing pong for I totally am
 
Pip
I have two hours to goof off at this robotics meeting... time to go hide in a corner and code >:D
 
@Pip spend your time wisely
 
@MickLH Alright, you're getting almo's words. He dropped out, and I did a random number between 1 and 2, (1 being almo, 2 being byte). It's all yours: Experimental, Acid, Mace, Armory, Energy-shield
 
"Musical Targets"-like
 
so many halloween costumes these days either look like low budget porno stories or have nothing to do with horror
 
Pip
10:04 PM
@Dave lol
@MickLH have fun!
@JohnMcDonald edit the post to add Mick?
 
Pip
10:21 PM
Now to implement collision and tiles!
 
hah, Unity has created their own Random class, presumably to prevent while(stuff){ Random rand = new Random(); .... } Why are all my random numbers not random?
I can only guess
 
are they not random ?
 
Pip
interesting
 
or just not random enough
 
Unity created their own Object class that they inherit things from
 
10:29 PM
@Dave new Random() in C# seeds it with the current time. And in a tight loop, they will all be identical
 
from what I could see from decompiled code, it wasn't any different from System.object, though I could have missed something
oh it does have a few extra functions. docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Object.html
not sure why they didn't appear in the decompiled code... :/
 
but they probably recreated a bunch of things in .NET just to inherit from that.
 
Cattle army
 
Pip
noice
 
10:38 PM
This game is going to be ridiculous
 
Pip
you are being much more productive than I am....
 
 
Well... I currently have nothing playable. You can collect Cattleium to your heart's content, and you can spawn a bunch of cows. Woo
 
animal genetic testing simulator ^ ?
:P
 
heh, Something like that
Wait until I get them passing wind, :p
heh, sound effect are gonna be awesome
 
Pip
10:57 PM
whoo, this marks the second hour without a single syntax error! On a roll!
 

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