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@swasheck A predominantly random-access workload hides a lot of sins because the throughput is limited by the physical disk seeks. You can hide a lot (but not all) sins in that.
wow, way beyond help I fear
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Q: Adding job to server fails - TSQL database

Asp AspI added a job to reset my database column at 12:00AM every day but now when I make a new query as USE msdb ; GO EXEC dbo.sp_help_jobactivity ; GO I don't see any being displayed. Here were the steps I followed to create and add my job to server sql2012; On the Server Explorer, right click o...

@swasheck If you want a better reason, unless you really need HA (say 4 9's or better) networked storage is at least an order of magnitude more expensive per IOPS than direct attach storage, and closer to two orders of magnitude if it's not tuned for the workload.
If you want a fast SAN you're up for quite a lot of money changing hands.
Virtualisation is less of a sin than poorly tuned storage, although a badly set up VM can cause grief. I'd disagree with Mr Ozar on his point that virtualisation excuses you from capacity planning. I've seen about 6 sites on the trot that pretty much repudiate that for various reasons.
InfiniBand, JBODs and SMB3 in Windows Server 2012 will probably kill off the big SANs for many new apps.
I even had one outfit describe a blade with 1 four core xeon and 16GB of RAM as a 'supercomputer' (note that the capacity plan for this predicted about 1.5TB of data in 3 years).
@AaronBertrand An ordinary £10,000 SAS array and a host-based RAID controller will blow the socks of a SAN costing 100x the price for a DW workload if the SAN isn't configured right.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells yep, fools can make any very expensive kit suck ass
00:13
@AaronBertrand I had the infrastructure wonk on my current gig talk about how he could get 300 or 400MB/sec off a high-end SAN.
I can get more than that off a single mid 2000's vintage two-channel U320 array if it's tuned right.
And you can get over 1GB/sec off a 2.5" 24 way SAS array if you tune it for a streaming workload.
What really pisses me off is the political shenanigans infrastructure people will go through to avoid having to admit that about £20,000 worth of wintel server and storage will run a DW workload an order of magnitude faster than their £1m consolidation environment.
Hammer. Nail.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells it is all political. They fought to get the SAN budget approved, now they're going to make use of it, dammit. Even if it's terrible.
If you're running Enterprise Edition, the server kit is less than half of the DB licence costs.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells on SQL Server 2012 it's a much lower percentage than that.
Assuming you are on core licensing and not the half-assed CAL grandfathering
@AaronBertrand Definitely - especially if you have 6 or 8 core CPU chips in the box.
It's about £7,000/core here in the UK.
Still an order of magnitude cheaper than Oracle, though.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells yeah for 4-core it works out about the same as before. But try to find such a server.
Gotta run...
00:19
@AaronBertrand Ebay
Bye.
00:34
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells lot of shops won't buy used gear of any kind
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells they want latest & greatest, support, warranty, etc.
 
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02:02
Anyone use AWS?
03:09
xpath is such a lovely language. Remind me to scrub my brain of anything related to it once I'm finished mucking about
03:48
So I've got a stored procedure that the DBAs are reporting was blocked for nearly 10 minutes because of contention in TempDB... This stored procedure usually executes in around 50 - 100 MS... and simply does a select...into #temp of a few hundred rows. TempDB hasn't grown past it's initially allocated size... is there any other typical cause for long blocking involving TempDB?
If you need to fumble your way through xpath, and especially since I'm already using the html agility pack to parse html, this test bed has been just what I needed haptestbed.codeplex.com
@MichaelFredrickson How was it determined that the blocking was tempdb contention? Depending on the precise cause, there are some things you can do. In other cases, not.
@MichaelFredrickson e.g. see sqlskills.com/blogs/paul/…
@MichaelFredrickson Can't be of help on that although I think I remember hearing something about an explicit create table vs into being less painful
And since Paul is here, I can definitely zone out
@billinkc There's little real difference in many cases. SELECT INTO may be a little faster, more so pre-2008 when minimally-logged INSERT arrived.
@billinkc I hate and detest XPath with the burning fire of a thousand suns.
Tell me how you really feel about the matter ;)
I'm building a web crawler to scrape SQLSaturday info. It's been fun but I'm ready to be done with it.
04:13
Pondering an SSIS task. Task to check if file exist and just delete it if it does. Found Script Task with System.IO.File.Exists handles that well. If found moves to another script task and deletes it. This is the most common method I have seen written up in blogs and on Sql Magazine. Would it not just be quicker to use System.IO.File.Delete? If the file is not there this method will still return success, MSDN states it does not through an exception if the file is not found.
04:39
@ShawnMelton I find I am doing things like that when my package is going to retrieve a file and then start processing and I don't know that the previous run went well or cleaned up after itself so I always want a clean slate to start work with. A dirty trick I use is to just have a SQL Agent step do the delete so that I don't have file work in the package proper, just a documentation precursor of "files shouldn't be there before this starts"
 
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@AaronBertrand Partly a joke, but I find ebay is great for development kit and suchlike. Quite often I say 'Ebay is my preferred supplier.' About the only computer equipment I don't buy off ebay is laptops. Note also that not all kit off ebay is secondhand. Quite a few vendors use it as a channel to punt new kit.
08:49
I wonder what percentage of normalization questions on here have serious 1NF or 2NF violations.....
The small joys of life
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Q: MySQL doesn’t show any tables by using SHOW TABLES statement

user1345414I’ve used MySQL on windows7. I create a database named myDB and it has some tables. Recently my machine was infected by a virus. After that SHOW TABLES and SHOW DATABASES statements don’t show any tables and databases but I can see data from tables in myDB with SELECT statements. I believe so...

I don't want to imagine how a virus can infect a DB server of any sort
Where there's a user there's a way.
Of course
@dezso, my guess on that mysql performance question is that it is the NOT IN being used to juggle lots of records on both sides.
@ChrisTravers He probably just needs an index on the user_quiz_questions table.
09:04
@ChrisTravers my guess was that as well, but I don't like shooting into the dark
That will lead to 300k index scans to check if the rows exist, right (since he says it's 300k questions)?
anyway, could any of you point me towards some sort of reading on the relational background of normalisation?
@ChrisTravers It won't be a 300k index scan, with the conditions on user_id and chapter_id.
I may have misread his question then.
or maybe he is unclear
I am reading the section of but now there are 300,000 question that users have seen. and assuming he is trying to check over 300k rows to see which ones have been seen.
@dezso, how much depth do you want to go into and what about perennial debates like the relationship between arrays in columns and first normal form?
Yeah, that part is confusing. He is also saying that there are 2000 questions in the beginning.
09:10
@ChrisTravers I'm not really interested in the latter (at least now)
I just want some theoretical background which I lack sometimes (partly due to my lacking higher education in this field)
@dezso The standard recommendation is "An Introduction to Database Systems" by C. J. Date.
@dezso Do you find the Wikipedia stuff unhelpful?
There's also a reprint of an ACM article at bkent.net/Doc/simple5.ht
@PaulWhite it's quite inconsistent (or was last time I saw it)
09:15
@ChrisTravers looks like a promising starting point
@ChrisTravers it would be nice to find an electronic format of it
@dezso There might be some subscription services of ebooks with it. I don't know. I have found that a lot of academic books are available that way.
@ChrisTravers While this is a good introduction, I'd be happy with some level of formalization
09:33
@dezso iirc, thats what Date supplies and why it's the standard go-to book :-P
@dezso Wikipedia or Relational Theory? ;c)
@PaulWhite the former on the latter :)
I mean the levels - I was searching for something describing the different normal forms in human language for educational purposes. This is where Wikipedia fails (and the article linked by @ChrisTravers seems to fit perfectly). Some of its content are quite vague (and don't match other parts).
 
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Q: How to change Oracle user password without showing the actual password on screen?

dba-dominicIs there a way you can change Oracle user password without showing the actual password on the screen? I understand that you can execute ALTER USER user_name IDENTIFIED BY new_password; but this will show the password on screen. My organization practices split-password for administrator password ...

Madness
@Phil is paranoia considered madness?
11:26
Question: I've got a couple of people here who have spent years on Adabas and need to come up to speed on SQL Server quickly. Who does decent SQL Server courses?
@dezso Only if they're not actually out to get you
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells if they are out it isn't paranoia anymore :)
11:52
Why haven't you tried yet? — dezso 36 secs ago
12:03
while I love pivot questions. I feel bad for this user. Their client is awful.
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Q: Sum of Max after a series of grouping in sql server 2005

user1776609I have 48 columns to display data for each 1/2 hour and the corresponding date. It was all okay and suddenly my client wants to change this such that TO DISPLAY ONLY Maximum value off these 48 columns for each day. I tired Max conversion, pivot, etc etc but in vain. Currently it's like Date ...

there is followup here:
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Q: Does MYSQL join before LIMIT?

AtaThink i want populate last 10 question of stackoverflow . I have a table that keep question list , a table to keep question info , a table to list question asker , and .... Now think I want to get last then question , so I have to join some tables and get last items by ORDER BY ... DESC LIMIT ...

@bluefeet We have a similar client here
It is horrible.
12:19
Heh, recruiter e-mailling about a job in Uzbekistan
@Phil Once I got an offer about a job for dismantling an oil refinery in the Ural mountains
Oh, I know what this is for, and am more than capable of doing it. Just a little bit too far away (and borders with Afghanistan)
@Phil already done my part
13:07
@Phil Uzbekistan and Urals are better than: British Antarctic Survey vacancies
@ypercube Why exactly? I had a dream (while being a biologist) about a long-running project on Antarctica
If your dream is to be a monk, yeah, it's fine.
@Phil It is interesting that the command line client supports it which is actually pretty cool. I think it might be worth getting into PostgreSQL's psql client too
@ypercube I think it would be cool to work there
How do you login when you're on call? Stay at the other DBAs house? ;)
13:17
@bluefeet Oh, really, very, very cool. Down to -60 C, I think.
@ypercube you know what I mean. :) ... cool, neat, awesome
yep, just kidding, sorry for the bad humour.
I had a feeling someone would say that when I said cool
Anyway, these jobs usually don't mean permanent stay in the cold - a few weeks/months of field work then the rest in warm labs
13:39
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Q: How can FLOOR(3) equal 2?

Iain ElderI'm trying to find a reliable, efficient expression to calculate how many decimal digits it takes to write a positive integer. Mathematically, the number of decimal digits in an integer n is 1 + floor(log(n)), where log is the common logarithm (base 10). There are several ways to construct an e...

Regarding my comment, am I going insane?
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@Phil Nope I think you are spot on. This sounds like someone who knows a lot about math but not about coding or SQL
does anyone have any ideas on what this is about?
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Q: how can I get an answer to a part of a question?

rubo77There is a question, that is solved by the author itself, but there remains a follow-up question, that cannot be asked on its own without reading the whole question. how can I restart that question? MySQL stored procedure: loop through table, delete rows. Logic problem: won't exit loop beca...

@JNK I think that the user wants to know why the answer works
in the linked question: I don't understand why this fixed the problem though.
@JNK I think the problem in itself is interesting
and on the meta question: here is a solution but no answer, why that solution is working
13:55
@Phil No, I think that is viable, too. If you forbid the casting into scientific format.
14:24
Hi
good morning/afternoon/anything else, depending on your time zone :)
I have a very basic question about the correct settings for connecting from LibreOffice to HSQLDB using JDBC. I wonder if I should post here or on SuperUser?
@dezso It is afternoon. Hello :)
@rumtscho I'd expect SU being a better place for it
@dezso OK, thanks. Both places have almost nothing on HSQLDB, and I know so few of the matter that I am not sure whether my question is openoffice-specific or not :( I'll go post there.
@rumtscho if it does not attract enough attention you can always flag it for migration
oh, I just realized that you are a mod
so probably you already knew that :)
14:33
@dezso np, I don't know the customs all over the network. We are a small site and have almost no migrations, because we have practically no overlap in topics with other sites.
@rumtscho anyway, just a little gift (you've probably seen it earlier)
Good write-up, however one factual mistake: BigTable is shared-nothing, details see research.google.com/archive/bigtable.html - care to correct this? — Michael Hausenblas 2 hours ago
I believe BigTable is a shared disk architecture as all storage is globally visible to all processing nodes. Does anybody have a good reason to think this is not correct?
@dezso heard of the trick, but never seen it in action. Thanks!
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells It is correct: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_File_System
@Phil I thought so.
15:06
seriously they are asking this again.
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Q: Toad: formatting IN clause grouping 3 string for each line

Gik25I don't know if the title is clear enough. Standard formatting of a text puts every IN member on a different line. It's not highly readable, because it's not compact. I provide you with an example. I know how to solve it using regex. But I believe toad can help me directly. AS IS AND field1 I...

@Lamak can be problematic with big joins
@dezso Yup, but then there are 2-characters aliases
@dezso select a.id, b.id, c.id, aa.id ... it's magical
Well, I usually use single-letter aliases, the letter being the first of the table name
But now I won't be able to use one-character aliases without thinking that I'm confusing Brent
15:11
On collisions I extend all involved
so, because my tables are called t_1, t_2 and so on...
OK, the latter is just a joke
and there are tables which have fixed aliases
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@dezso Believed you too
15:33
Noting is worse that Hibernate automagically generated SQL. Absolutely ridiculous aliases for each column. Makes the SQL harder to read than my handwriting
@Phil What's worse - Hibernate generated DB schemas or Hibernate generated SQL?
should this question be closed?
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Q: Advanced column in MS-BIDS

Denny PienemanBecause we are having the same problems as in http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/sqlintegrationservices/thread/e51b775a-8601-491b-8ad4-a71b0f0d59ce we have the following question: That is when inserting from a flat file source we wmiis the last row from the file. Can you show us where we...

I mean, what he is asking is basically an image to where the option is
should I answer?, it is a bad question
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Answer!
I'll give you 10 rep.
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I'll take away 2
kidding
@Lamak at least it is somewhat better than the previous version
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Q: Where can we find the advanced column view?

Denny PienemanCan you show us where we can find the advanvced column view to set the text qualification to false? Thanks in advance.

15:44
@njk but it is a question where that image is self explanatory
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And you'll still be +8
@Lamak That's okay
those answers are not good for DBA.SE
@JNK are you closing that question then?
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Regarding the BigTable comment, the Bigtable: A Distributed Storage System for Structured Data pdf has: "C-Store and Bigtable share many characteristics: both systems use a shared-nothing architecture and have two different data structures"
oh, nevermind, closed already :-)
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@Lamak Probably not
I closed the first one
15:45
@dezso by the way, I posted my question over on SU. I am making a bit of advertising for it here:
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Q: How to set up the jdbc driver to connect to hsqldb from libreoffice?

rumtschoI am trying to "split" a LibreOffice .odb file into a HSQL database and an OpenOffice document containing forms and macros. I am trying to follow the instructions from this thread: Within a few minutes you can convert your embedded HSQLDB to a stand-alone HSQLDB which is just a very fine dat...

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@rumtscho Good luck. No one ever answered my question :( superuser.com/questions/549369/options-to-expand-storage
@njk Thank you. Sadly, I can't answer your RAID question, but at least I gave you an upvote.
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@rumtscho Thank you; I hope it will help.
By the way, why do you want to use the motherboard's RAID controller? External storages tend to have their own controllers.
@ypercube That;s quite an interesting philosophical question: Is BigTable really a shared-nothing system?
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15:54
@rumtscho Costs more to buy external storage
Individual storage nodes hold a partition of the data, but there is no affinity between processing and storage nodes. A BigTable process can read data from multiple nodes according to one paritioning key and write out to its output according to a different key. There is no local storage.
However, on an Oracle RAC system (which is definitely viewed as shared-disk) any processing node can see any disk. If the SAN has multiple controllers the data is partitioned amongst the controllers but any cluster node can still read data from any controller.
Teradata is a shared-nothing system as each partition is held on a separate server with its own local disk. There is a definite affinity between the disk and the CPU on a Teradata system.
Open to the floor. Google claim BigTable is a shared-nothing system and as it is essentially a distributed key-value pair system you could readily make that claim of the database engine itself.
I've made the assertion that BigTable is a shared-disk system on the basis that its most common implementation (Hadoop) has a parallel processing facility that allows uniform access to the distributed KVP data store with no affinity between the database partitioning and the partitioning of the processing nodes.
You could readily make the argument that this definition conflates the database with the application engine on top of it. OTOH, one would normally expect to see BigTable used in this context.
If you take BigTable as just the storage engine then it would be a shared-nothing system. If you take it in the context of the whole Hadoop system then there is no non-uniformity in the access to storage.
Comments?
16:11
I'm really not thinking properly today. :/ prolly best not to try and answer anything else today!
@Phil I'd be happy to go with the view that BigTable as a DB engine itself is a shared-nothing system. You could easily make the case that conflating BigTable with the whole stack isn't the right thing to do.
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16:25
Was my comment too mean?
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Q: MS SQL - stored procedure or function

user285336I have a table with 2 columns (A as bool and B as text), these columns can be: both are null if A is False, then B should be null if A is True, then B should be not null There are rules. I want to create SP or function to check these rules when row adding or updating (via trigger). What is be...

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why not a check constraint?
@JNK right. that's what i was going to say.
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Didn't know those existed.
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A trigger would be a lot more complicated and less transparent for that
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well learned something new
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16:28
Yeah you can add a constraint that's like CHECK CASE WHEN A = 'False' THEN B IS NULL...
I think CASE is ok in a check
Though I think that the current answer is lacking (even with all the upvotes)
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@Lamak A lot of answers lack.
@njk but this one is a link only answer, and had 5 upvotes recently
we shouldn't reward that kind of comments as answers
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@Lamak An example wouldn't hurt
flagged it as not an answer
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16:31
@njk that being said your comment was fine, at least you gave a link
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@JNK thanks for making me feel better
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I think most people resent the attitude that you shouldn't do your own research on SO
If you say "How to do X" and the answer "don't, you should do Y instead" it's pretty lame to say "OK how do I do Y?" without bothering to google
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@JNK I submitted a request for a "what have you tried" section some time ago...
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Q: Improving question quality by requiring "what have you tried?"

njkI am here today to ask for a monumental change. A section that asks the user what they have tried I feel that question quality could improve dramatically and members can help others faster, rather than waiting for the OP to post what they have tried or what system/language they are using. I w...

This would be a great feature.
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Q: Add the ability to ignore users

KipStack Overflow has successfully borrowed at least one XBox feature (Achievements). I'd like to see another feature borrowed as well. Let's say I'm playing Halo online and another player is being a bigot. I have the option to add him to a list of ignored users. After doing that, all the racist...

17:21
Ugh. UDFs in check constraints are not a good idea.
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+1 for "NO NO NO"
17:36
I've got a great UDF for a check constraint. See, it's CLR and it calls out to a webservice hosted on the other side of the Pacific to validate the input. The funny thing is, SQL Server sucks so much balls because I'm always waiting on my data to get inserted. NO LOCK doesn't even help
17:53
@jnk and @njk one of you should make your username different. Imagine if there was an AaronBeltland in here and I was talking back and forth with him all the time...
@AaronBertrand Must resist changing name...
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@AaronBertrand I was here first!
I may just use my name which is the same as my twitter account
My biggest problem is distinguishing Mark Storey-Smith and Martin Smith.
I have the same issue with locations that start with the same letter.
It seems my internal hash algorithm uses only the first letters of names.
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@ypercube I'm the same way
The names Melissa and Michelle are basically the same in my brain
I think it's something about the pattern of M(vowel)(double consonant)(end in vowel)
@ypercube for me it would be Mikael Eriksson and Michael Fredrickson
though an AaronBeltland would be hilarious
@JNK now I think that I know why @swasheck thought that I was stalking him once. The first thing I did was to look for your twitter account
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18:01
I'm @JasonNKyle but I don't tweet a lot
@JNK yeah, I found it
Awwww yea...., @JNK is about to get some new Twitter followers.
@JNK I found it too
@JNK I realized that this user were you when I saw a comment by JasonNKyle on the post by Brent Ozar that was posted on Reddit
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lol
@Lamak oh yeah
It's all SQL, Powershell, and Sandy Hook/gun stuff from me
18:11
Mmmmm....powershell
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yeah I can use it a lot more in my new position since I have more access to stuff
@JNK you can't convince us not to follow you on twitter
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not trying to, just giving you a heads up
Hrmmm.....I don't think I'm following @Lamak or @bluefeet either.
@MikeFal And I don't think I'm following you either ;-). Though I only use twitter to consume information about news, technology and stuff like that, I don't really tweet myself
18:14
Mine is easy. @Mike_Fal
@ypercube - You've got a fair amount of rep - I suggested to @Phil that he not award the bounty and save his rep to get to 10,000 (mod tools) at least. It's a bit late now but you should really concentrate on getting to 10k as well.
@MikeFal you got yourself a new follower
It's a generally useful post as a pointer to refer NoSQL debates to, so I imagine it will naturally accumulate votes.
@Lamak And you as well, sir. :)
You both do too, I never tweet anything though
18:18
kinda interesting, but I have no idea how to answer this
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Q: Tools and methodologies to keep to DBs aligned

aviad2 DBs having schemas that represent the same semantic objects. The first one is production DB (Non-RDBMS, in-house implemented in-memory DB with shitload of RAM). Other is Postgres. Once in a while the production DB is changed (schema upgrade). Question: what is the best practice to keep DBs of...

@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells If people tweeted more (instead of talking about tweeter), answers like this (and DBA.SE in general) would gather more audience, don't you think?.
@bluefeet so, in twitter you are Blufeet as in Blu-ray?
@Lamak Ha, no not it blu-ray. I just was lazy and dropped the e
@bluefeet oh, I assume that lazyness was the reason for blu-ray also
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I guess I'll change mine @JNK
18:24
@njk you don't have to change. Just an observation since mentally I actually attributed one of your comments to me earlier as coming from Jason. Could be kind of embarrassing if I joked about it with him in North Haven next weekend and he has no idea what I'm talking about. :-)
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@AaronBertrand That's quite alright
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@njk No need
@njk are you accepting suggestions?, 'cause AaronBeltland is a good one
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perfect!
I'll be Aarron Bertrand
Actually AaronBerlrand is even better
Or AaronBerfrand
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18:26
@Lamak I was thinking Lamar ...
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Or Aaron Betrand
I'll change mine to bluefoot
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lol
@AaronBertrand feel free
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@AaronBertrand just go to knj
18:27
@njk at least that way you'd get all the notifications that I don't :-)
No wait Martin Story-Smith
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@Lamak I think if we both were posting on the same answer it would be better.
@Lamak (if I had Lamar) as my display name
all of this would be confusing as f***
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part of my reason for obfuscation is not everyone's job includes this stuff, @AaronBertrand
Also I'm not 100% I'll be at N Haven
@JNK I have absolutely no issue with obfuscation. Just that you two chose very similar obfuscation. :-)
@JNK you won't be at the SQL Saturday you can throw a rock at? For shame!
@JNK What @AaronBertrand said. GO! It's like one day out of the whole year.
@AarolamaBluenk awesome
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@AaronBertrand Depends on how the wife is doing
@JNK ah ok
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18:32
she spends 11 hoiurs a day alone with 2 kids so weekends are normally recharge time for her
I just registered
We should have a day where we all switch our names and then come to chat and we try to figure out who is really who. Who's going to be Aptem Bertrand?
@AarolamaBluenk lol
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Wait Listed
ugh
@CadeRoux April fool's?
18:35
@Lamak Yes, good idea, like when all the avatars get changed to unicorns.
@Lamak And it's a Monday, so that will be excellently confusing.
@CadeRoux and chat should implement a way to link the user profile to a random user
@Lamak Where's @jcolebrand?
@Lamak You should definitely suggest that as an enhancement
That name will difficult to get used to
+1 Beat me to it. — Aarolama Bluenk 27 secs ago
@bluefeet Just taking it for a spin
Perhaps I'll add a few more into the mix
18:38
Is the name shown here, in chat, taken from the SO or the DBA.SE account?
@ypercube I think whatever your primary account is as shown here...
Under "Parent User"
Hm, you only need to refresh this page, to prove it :)
@Lamak According to the Blu-ray Association, it was intentional : "Blu" is intentionally spelled without an "e" to allow for a distinctive registration of the trademark name.
@ypercube I knew that. But laziness is much more fun
18:55
@ypercube Who's tweeting what?
@CadeRoux was just reading about it on The Verge
@CadeRoux but for that many, I expect a real, productive OS. I've used a Chromebook once, and Chrome OS limitations were too much for me
@Lamak Any idea if you could run Linux (i.e, a general purpose distro) up on it?
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells yup, you could on the one I had
didn't get to tested it much though, I had it from my company for a week or so
Hackable to the extent you could install a 3rd party SSD?
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells wouldn't really know. And this was one of the first units out there, I'm sure that things have changed a lot since then
19:17
4GB RAM is heaps for a Linux workstation.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I'll take your word on that ;-), last time I used Linux was way before 4GB being the norm
@Lamak I first ran Linux on a 386SX with 4MB of RAM.
Uphill both ways and all that.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells ah, memories
There are plenty of lightweight distros that will run a decent desktop on a machine with 64 or 128MB RAM
@JNK Unless CT is different, there is usually a 20-30% attrition rate on SQL Saturday attendance so just show up. ;)
19:21
And a full-fat one like Fedora or Ubuntu will run fine in about half a GB, even with a compositing window manager.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells yeah, that is true. I never did get used to it, though, and grew up almost exclusively using Windows
@Lamak I used to use unix a lot - around 1990 my dream computer was a sun workstation but I couldn't come even close to affording one. They were seriously expensive back then. In 1990 a midrange SGI box cost nearly as much as a house in my hometown.
It's got bluetooth so I can use a wireless keyboard. Only 2 USB ports.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells it costed much, much more over here. On those times, technology wasn't globalized like now, we got things more than a couple of years later
I have to say, I'm pretty impressed with Ubuntu. Takes a lot of the ugliness out of the Linux install, real easy to work with.
I tried linux 6 years ago
and my printer wouldn't work
so I gave up
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19:28
@billinkc OK I may just do that
@AarolamaBluenk CUPS is legendary for being an arse to configure.
@Lamak Battery life is just not going to be as good as the little Chromebooks. I'm still not sold on the touchscreen on laptops while using it AS a laptop. I've had a few convertible tablets and it's fine when you are using it AS a tablet, but when using it as a laptop, the only time I used it was laying in bed with the stylus as a scroller and clicker.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Well that was my only experience
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells And oddly, only USB 2.0. Even the little Chromebook has a USB 3.0. Which doesn't really matter since you won't likely be using a LOT of data through it.
@CadeRoux yeah, before all the tables boom, I would cringe at the sight of someone touching his screen, and got really upset when someone tried to touch my screen
19:30
@CadeRoux That's always been my hesitation with tablets. I was stuck on blackberry for the longest time. I needed a physical keyboard. I still refuse to move to a tablet; because if I need a physical keyboard (be it bluetooth), I may as well just use a laptop
I'd rather just pay $399 for a lower end laptop, throw in a $150 SSD and be done with it
well, I still do get upset when someone touch my sreen
@Lamak Me too!
@CadeRoux This debate got settled by the end of the 1970s when light pens finally died a death. Beware the gorilla arm.
The ergonomics just don't work.
@AarolamaBluenk Nexus 10 with a keyboard dock would be great for that niche - not sure why no keyboard dock yet
What I would pay good money for is a portable monitor using the same panel that plugs into the mini-displayport connector.
And maybe a folding stand that can hold both.
19:32
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells interesting idea
Combine that with a decent bluetooth keyboard and mouse and you'd have an O for awesome portable system.
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Q: Using KILL with a declared variable

JVCI'm trying to use a KILL statement with a declared variable but it's giving me a syntax error. Is there anyway to not use a constant and programatically change the SPID? For example: DECLARE @SPID smallint SET @SPID = 100 Kill @SPID BTW this is just an example. I need to run the kill in a loo...

@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Exactly - I don't have a problem with the same OS/hardware being convertible a la Windows 8 - but the idea that touch on a desktop or laptop screen is something you could use is laughable. Now when the monitor is on the fridge or on a cabinet or wall, that's different. Or in tablet with two hands or on desk or lap or whatever. There's just no laptop/desktop-touch scenario that really makes sense.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I think that's actually WHY Surface has that cool stand. Because without a stand to solidify the screen, touch on a laptop DOESN'T WORK.
@CadeRoux My thinkpad does have a multi-touch track pad that would kind of make sense if it had support from any software.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Yeah, on the part you're always pressing on.
19:37
But a touch screen on a laptop is a pointless item unless it can fold over in a convertable tablet mode. And then it's only useful if your desktop software supports running in a multi-touch tablet mode.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I think I saw a keyboard with a touchscreen builtin to the keyboard between the main part and the numeric keypad.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells My convertibles predated multi-touch - Fujistu and HP - but I don't see how MORE fingers on the screen makes the use cases more compelling if you keep dirtying up your primary display AND constantly move it slightly as you are touching it. With a stylus, you could have a very light touch compared to a finger.
@Lamak Sweet for notifications.
@CadeRoux The zoom by touching and dragging your fingers apart is useful (at least in theory) if you have a compositing user interface and limited screen space.
On something the size of an iPhone it makes sense.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I'd love to go check it out at Best Buy tomorrow, but, IT'S ONLY AT 11 BEST BUYS according tot eh web site.
19:44
Multi-touch screens make smaller portable computers feasible at the expense of sucking for things like text input where you need a keyboard.
@CadeRoux I'll let it sit and percolate for a while. They want over £1,000 for the 32GB model on this side of the pond and I don't want another laptop that much, having just plunked down a substantial amount of money on one less than a year ago.
Although the thinkpad is quite old-school. 'made from girders in Scotland' as a friend once said. It's about twice as heavy as a pixel.
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells It's good that we have many paradigms duking it out now, perhaps more than ever, although quite a lot of useful devices have died off.
what seems to be the question here?
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Q: Not all deployed SSIS packages are available for selection as job steps (SQL Server 2012)

user2096392I successfully deployed a set of SSIS packages to a server, and they were all visible in the SSISDB catalog. However, when I tried to select them as a job step, only a subset of the SSIS packages visible in the SSISDB catalog were visible in list of SSIS packages available for selection as SQL A...

@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells After a hard day of forging steel, we like to drink irn-bru
@billinkc Well, if a mugger tried to steal it off me I could hit them with it. If I could get one that would return like Xena's chakram I'd be even happier.
@CadeRoux yup, the more technological concepts that actually get made and tested, the more we all will benefit
19:51
No, officer it's not a concealed weapon. I've got it right out in the open.
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anyone have a recommendation for windows 7 tools/tweaks software?
@Lamak It's a bit incoherent but he's referring to SSIS project catalogue databases. I'd suggest he doesn't bother and sticks with package deployment.
I just don't understand the reasoning MySQL has for not enforcing group by/aggregate like every other db
@JNK To do what sort of thing?
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells But it's more of a rant than a question
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19:55
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells ui tweaks, or tools better than the built in ones
@Lamak Yes. It's pretty incoherent, too. Not terribly high quality and hard to understand what he wants to know.
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like improved defrag
@JNK I can make some suggestions for dev tools. Don't think I'd have much to say outside that.
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ok NP
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