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JNK
1:45 PM
everybody's working on the weekend!
oh wait just me
And probably paul white because it's tuesday in NZ
 
2:17 PM
@JNK i'm here. i'm not at work - but i'm on call
and getting an oil change
made HN
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A: Why is Stack Overflow so negative of late?

Mysticial Why is Stack Overflow so negative of late? I hate to pile on, but I couldn't resist summarizing the problem. And I apologize ahead of time for any potentially offensive language that I might use. Basically there are 4 camps of users on Stack Overflow: The "caretakers" who want to keep the...

 
 
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3:56 PM
@JNK What is the issue with email?
 
JNK
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells something about not being able to do email lists, and it's hard to see what goes where, and SSRS doesn't support authenticated SMTP
 
Decent best-of-breed reporting tools tend to be quite pricey.
Some options are:
Cognos: everything that opens and shuts. Sphincter-puckeringly expensive
Qlikview: particularly strong on interactive dashboards. Cheaper than Cognos, but that's like saying 'Cheaper than a Rolls Royce'
Business Objects: Good bursting features (delivering parameterised reports to a user base). Cheaper than Cognos
Tableau: New-ish but pretty good. Quite pricey.
MicroStrategy: Very heavyweight system with everything - and I mean everything - that opens and shuts. The Oracle of reporting tools. Has sort of lo
@JNK If there's just one issue I'd consider working around it. Moving off SSRS will entail re-jigging your reports. Also, folks with SSRS experience are easier and cheaper to hire than Qlikview or Cognos devs.
@JNK I don't know how open Business Objects are these days (now SAP bought them). They used to be notable for good delivery features.
Note that I have no idea OTOH whether any of them support SMTP authentication. You'd have to bail up the vendors and ask some hard questions.
@JNK No, it's Sunday, but that won't stop him.
 
JNK
4:18 PM
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Honestly I think SSRS is great for our needs but some of the upper managers have had issues with it
so whenever anything comes up (i.e. I need to set up an SMTP relay server to allow auth) they see it as yet another flaw in SSRS
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I was joking there :)
 
@JNK So was I ;-)
@JNK If you have any significant portfolio of incumbent reports it would be a lot of shagging about to move off SSRS. A SMTP relay server shouldn't be any great hardship (financially or otherwise). There are several good SMTP servers in the open-source world and even if you're a die-hard Microsoft shop I would bet quite a bit of money that another Exchange server would be quite a lot cheaper than any of the reporting tools I listed - let alone the cost of migration.
Really, there are (IMO) four reasons to move off SSRS:
o Better self-service reporting capabilities
o Interactive dashboards (although MS Powerview does this now if you have Sharepoint)
o Bursting (better in 2012 but still a bit crap)
o You want a better front-end for SSAS than MS provides out of the box (this is really a special case of 1)
 
@billnkc you around?
 
JNK
4:35 PM
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells its just a local relay so it costs nothing
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells yeah and we don't use SSAS yet at all, and there's not much self-servicing
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells what do you mean by "bursting" here?
 
5:13 PM
@JNK Bursting is Business Objects-speak for publishing a parameterised (i.e. filtered with their view of the data) report to a base of subscribers.
 
JNK
5:48 PM
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells sounds fancy
 
@JNK You can do data driven subscriptions with SSRS. BO is quite good at it (or was about 10 years ago when I last used it in anger)
 
6:31 PM
Free OReilly graph database book graphdatabases.com
 
6:45 PM
Hey guys, does the following work for you same as for me?
 
7:29 PM
vote to close please
You've asked 280+ questions and still don't know that you need to show what you've tried? — Kermit 1 min ago
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9:28 PM
I'm here in a land down under.....
 
9:54 PM
Well now I can officially say it ... "GO HABS!!!"
 
user58869
10:37 PM
@AndriyM what is this?
 
user58869
@AndriyM yes it does
 
11:49 PM
@AndriyM Yes
@MikeFal Kia ora and welcome.
 

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