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Paul White

12:34 AM

twitter.com/aaronbertrand/status/1322662797734457345

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Paul White

7:54 AM

You want people to do be able to discuss politics so long as they're *your* politics?
I know that's not what you meant to say, but it is what it turns into in practice.

Especially at the moment.

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Tom V

10:00 AM

@PaulWhite yea it's unwelcoming towards nazis ;)

for what it's worth, I think people use the Nazi word far too quickly these days

Paul White

10:37 AM

and largely inaccurately

Paul White

11:21 AM

I found this interesting: gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html

> You are a center-left social moderate.
Left: 2.1, Libertarian: 0.6

I don't know how helpful these various categories are, but the quiz was interesting enough in itself

Andriy M

11:58 AM

Doesn't matter how accurately the term is applied so long is the audience react the way you expect.

That's my takeaway at least from watching some of the political videos

Paul White

True

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mustaccio

2:52 PM

@jcolebrand This is called tribalism, and it's as old as the human race itself, nothing to do with capitalism. Tribalism becomes more prominent and extremist when economic conditions for the majority are poor, but again, not specific to capitalism.

Max Vernon

3:02 PM

no, surprises there, then.

(the green is the average person taking the quiz)

jcolebrand

@mustaccio I just mean, it is exacerbated under Capitalism. You're right about it being as old as time. But we can be better.

@PaulWhite "I want to see people be put into labor camps" is highly different from "I think we should turn this natural park into an oil well district". Some politics are worth discussing and outright denying.

Most people say they don't want to talk politics over the nature of taxes, which ok, fine, you don't want to spend money on social services. It's when they don't want to talk about how much they want to put people into labor camps that I have a problem with not discussing politics.

@PaulWhite I'm curious if they use Libertarian the way the modern American political scene uses Libertarian

jcolebrand

3:24 PM

Tom V

4:17 PM

But isn't it also tribalism when you categorise the 'others' as racist or nazi?

Andriy M

I think it is if the reason you categorise someone as such is simply because they belong to a particular group (for instance, they are racist just because they are a conservative or just because they support Trump or whatever).

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John aka hot2use

5:43 PM

Morning

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Paul White

7:39 PM

@jcolebrand Probably. I don't know. That's partly why I said the terminology isn't terribly useful - no one is completely sure what they all mean. Still, looks similar to:

Nolan Chart

The Nolan Chart is a political spectrum diagram created by American libertarian activist David Nolan in 1969, charting political views along two axes, representing economic freedom and personal freedom. It expands political view analysis beyond the traditional one-dimensional left–right/progressive-conservative divide, positioning libertarianism outside the traditional spectrum. == Development == The claim that political positions can be located on a chart with two axes: left-right (economics) and tough-tender (authoritarian-libertarian) was put forward by the British psychologist Hans Eysenck...

Looks like my co-mods are slightly to the left of Evan 🤣

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