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Good morning
 
 
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8:25 AM
Morning
 
 
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10:06 AM
Am I the only one working on saturday?
In case you need to teach git to someone: learngitbranching.js.org
 
 
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2:02 PM
@McNets nice one
the direction of the commits throws me a bit. I visualize newer commits either going to the right or upwards. Going downwards is unsettling.
 
2:25 PM
RIP Sir Sean Connery
 
 
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@ypercubeᵀᴹ Yes, Maybe for a novice is a more easy view
@PaulWhite as we say, Good heaven.
 
 
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6:06 PM
On local news, there is nonsense, there is utter nonsense and there is Borisnense...
 
6:26 PM
@PaulWhite I have to re-watch them all now
 
6:54 PM
@ypercubeᵀᴹ keep calm, politics are the same all around the world. it seems that nobody knows what to do.
 
 
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@McNets Yeah, stay calm, but also, care for others. So long as we can all do those two things, we can work to make the world better.
Just remember that unfortunately for us "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism" because capitalism, in and of itself, has no ethics. It must be forced upon capitalism, and that is easier for the consumer to do in tiny-market circumstances (mom and pop shop in a small town) and easier for the government in very-large markets and at a global scale only by a handful of forces, notably entire country-blocs exerting governmental pressure.
For those who "don't want to talk politics" or think it impolite that "a moderator" would "dare" to talk politics, just know that even I get chastised when I'm out of line, and that we are all victims of politics, so we must ALL speak about them. Nobody is immune to politics
The luxury of not having to worry about politics as it protects you and keeps you comfortable and safe is just a product of being very lucky.
So yeah, I'm always gonna talk about politics, and make some people very uncomfortable, but other people very happy to know that someone out there is willing to talk about it. If you're in the first group, know that there are people in the second group. And if you're in the second group, feel free to speak up too.
Just know that we won't tolerate Othering or hate speech of any kind, because we are all good sensible people. Nobody here is an outcast, we are all professionals.
 
@jcolebrand What I mean is, it seems there is a delay between countries. We have been locked before England. It seems the same things happens from south to nord, like a wave. And what politics do, what politics decide it's more or less the same recipe.
 
And as I go off to do the dishes and keep my wife happy, here's a great scene to start a conversation about bad movies :p
@McNets Everywhere no less
 
I'm not sure if I want to talk about politics but I've got a question about talking about politics. What's so different about a moderator talking about politics that it would make it impolite?
 
@AndriyM Moderators are expected to set a good example, to be above the fray. How we go dictates how the site goes.
If I closed any and every question about Oracle, for example, that would very quickly make it a site about SQL Server and MySQL.
If I came in chat and always talked down to new users and people with googleable questions, that would encourage others to do the same and make the site userbase (at least the power users) feel like it was good to do the same
And some people want to talk about their own brand of politics of hate, genocide, or just downright labor camps and how those things are all good and needed. So if you let some of those people in, they can quickly make the site less good for everyone because nobody wants hate. Well, some people do but we don't want them around
I don't want this room to be political, but I do want all of you to feel empowered to discuss anti-Nazism, anti-Fascism in your own lives. It's hard at first, it gets easier over time. We have to practice standing up to those who would kill 1/4 of us just for our skin or our language. Those are things we were born into.
 
Far-right is growing right now in my country, it's really disgunsting
 
9:13 PM
Choosing to be full of hatred after you turn like 25 is a choice. Choosing to be full of hatred at 15 is usually because you were forced into it by those around you and the life circumstances you can't avoid and lack of experience with the larger world.

(these age numbers are arbitrary but "feel" right)
@McNets Everywhere sir.
 
Yeah
 
I call it "Othering".
"Those people don't belong to my clan. They are Others."
"We look out for ourselves. Others have to look out for themselves"
FUN FACT: This Othering is entirely 100% brought to you by capitalism
Everyone has less because Wall Street needs more.
Corporations demand higher profits and lower margins. Therefore there is less to pay the average person while corporate owners earn trillions collectively.
So people start to fight like rabid dogs for scraps. Anyone not in your immediate clan is suspect, and to be defended against
Understanding the point of the problem helps to understand what needs to be done.
 
I'm not sure there's any -ism that doesn't deal in some or other kind of othering.
 
Not understanding the problem makes you just more angry at the next person because they aren't acting the way you expect them to
@AndriyM Any social construct breaks down after 7 billion people. We have to be locally organized. We can't keep fighting wars. We can't keep producing garbage and throwing it in the oceans.
Farming would have less impact if it were local. Massive global-scale farms are much worse for the environment than local farming dotted across the landscape
Same goes for meat production. Eating cattle is not bad. Commercial cattle farming is medium bad. Industrial cattle farming is bad.
Everything in moderation
While scared people stay in power, we will always have these problems.
And when the man with the nukes is the most scared, well ... I'm not excited about the supposed soon-to-be-seen uprising in the US. I'm just hoping most of the ones that talk are only talkers, and not also doers.
Cos there are a lot of scared folks here
 
There is a trend here called "Consuming Km0" (or something similar)
Meaning, if you can by something to your neighbour don't go further
 
9:20 PM
Do you have any articles that would describe it? The meaning is being lost slightly in translation here I think.
Or how it's written colloquially even, and I can use that to go look it up too
Ohhhh, kilometer zero?
 
Basically products that are produced nearby
 
Yes, that is a growing trend but it's expensive to compete with the industrial powers, especially in Urban American Cities.
A lot of us are trying to get there
 
Yes, kilometer 0
 
that's how we beat capitalism, by the way
It won't stop it entirely, never will
ok, the wife is gonna have a stroke if the kitchen doesn't get help :D (I'm teasing, she's a very good natured woman. I said I would clean and I haven't cleaned, and we can be nothing if we are not of our word.)
 
Capitalism has reach the top
See you
 

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