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3:39 AM
How do people have 1,000+ answers and no questions.
must have 0-faith in the network they participate in or too much ego to not ask questions.
 
4:38 AM
Back in the pre-25k club!
 
 
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7:56 AM
@EvanCarroll or it's the exact same reason why they have so many answers, namely they do the research for themselves?
 
8:40 AM
and then share it with no one
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8:53 AM
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A: Difference between trigger and transaciton

Tomasz Pala You really should learn anything about DBs. I mean: anything. Sorry, but asking such question you only shows, that you don't understand the very basics. Don't ask about cooking if you can't boil water. You are asking: "should I use purple bucket or ceramic flowerpot"? No, definitely not a usage ...

 
 
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6:02 PM
@dezso I'm not saying that they can't find the answer by themselves, I jus twould hope that the tool would assist them sometime in not having too -- and thus being more productive, and that if they were here answering questions they would also contribute with their own, likely being more capable to word the question then others
I mean as far as net impact, my greatest contribution is probably asking and not answering questions on the site.
Impact at Android.SE a StackExchange I almost never use, is ~673k, my impact here -- a site I use all the fucking time -- ~690k. I'd say the amount of time spend on Android.SE is <1% of the time I've spent here.
 
 
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7:25 PM
beach rugby cc @PaulWhite
There is a beach volley tournament next week where I live and the local rugby team decided to have a tournament while the infrastructure is in place
 
I'd love to watch beach swimming
 
:)
No goal posts only trys
 
8:26 PM
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Q: Where can I find publicly accessible paternoster elevators?

user13190Paternosters look fun, but (as far as I know, at least in Western Europe) they have almost all been replaced by regular elevators for safety reasons. Are there any publicly-accessible paternosters left I can ride in? Wikipedia mentions a few, but they seem to be in private buildings. If you ca...

 
 
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9:32 PM
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A: A new fiddle for dba.se

Kaushik NayakOracle - DBMS_OUTPUT.PUT_LINE does not print anything and SET SERVEROUTPUT ON is not working. It would be really useful to test PL/SQL programs. Is there any other way to see this output, other than creating a function and seeing output from a select?

new feature added
 
10:15 PM
@paulw - yah, I get that, just was wondering why you'd setup the database for RCSI but then try to use read committed. When I wrote .Net code against RCSI-enabled databases, I never specified any isolation mode, since I wanted the RCSI behavior. — Max Vernon 42 secs ago
 
Is that dumb, Paul?
 
@MaxVernon I'm struggling to understand what you're saying tbh.
What does "try to use read committed" mean?
@MaxVernon One cannot specify RCSI explicitly. Ask for read committed and you either get the locking or row versioning RC implementation, depending on the database setting READ_COMMITTED_SNAPSHOT. — Paul White ♦ 45 mins ago
 
Just referring to the OPs statement about using read committed... I can just delete those comments if they aren't helpful
 
Well the comments will go away of course, but I want to understand the point.
> I do actually want to use read committed snapshot isolation, but don't know how to set that in dotnet (client).
That's like saying one wants to use RCSI, but don't know how to set it in SSMS or sqlcmd or osql etc.
There is no setting. You request the read committed isolation level and SQL Server gives you RCSI or locking read committed depending on the database config.
 
I guess I didn't realize that if you specify read committed, that you're actually getting row-versioning... I was responding to this in the question:
> RCSI isolation level, however our transactions are setup (in the C# layer) to use read committed.
(mobile is so hard)
I'll just delete my comments
 
10:21 PM
@MaxVernon So what isolation level would you set in SSMS to use RCSI?
Microsoft seemed to do a really good job of making RC/RCSI/SI confusing for people.
Say you wanted to run a statement at SERIALIZABLE, then switch to RCSI in SSMS - what would you do?
 
You wouldn't, and I never have, which When I think about it means I'm using RC, which is actually RCSI.
(for a RCSI enabled database)
 
Yes, exactly so.
I think this misunderstanding is more common than I realized.
I wanted to pursue it just to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding the intent.
Probably the confusion arises because SI requires an explicit isolation level setting command, whereas RCSI is implicit.
I know people have asked for SET TRANSACTION ISOLATION LEVEL READ COMMITTED SNAPSHOT and SET TRANSACTION ISOLATION LEVEL LOCKING READ COMMITTED.
 
10:40 PM
1 vote =/
 
Well it's an old item. It had lots of votes on Connect (I don't think the "10" is accurate) or at least it was well-known.
There might be other items; the new feedback thing is just an awful search experience
Maybe RCSI will become default for on-prem SQL Server
 
11:09 PM
@PaulWhite I think that would be a popular choice.
Lots of folks out there recommending to use RCSI by default for "greenfield" projects.
 
Yes back compat is always the problem
Lots of apps that depend on blocking
 
Interesting how that works out!
I worked with a client to upgrade from SQL Server 2005 to 2016, and there were lots of deadlocks in the app after the upgrade.
Turns out the app was depending on crappier plans to avoid deadlocks.
 
Perfect
 
11:24 PM
Which the new cardinality estimator ruined with all its good plans.
Their DBA recommended we turn on the legacy CE setting, but in the end we just fixed the app to do less dumb things, which was nice.
(some of the dumbest things were coded by me, so I don't feel bad calling them "dumb things")
 

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