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1:30 AM
Might as well check out the chat discussion for the topic. Seem to be making time to answer more question, we'll have to see what you fine folks are up to behind the scenes. Of course I had to do a quick search for "mike" to make sure I wasn't doing anything too poorly ;-)
 
 
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1:44 PM
@Mike good to have you with us. We talk a lot of rubbish in here but some sense too and as your contributions to the site are quality I don't think your search will have turned anything incriminating :)
 
1:58 PM
Not nearly enough rubbish. How about a weekly theme? Monty Python, Family Guy, @gbn Quotes, the possibilities are endless
 
:-) No, I didn't get scared away by the findings of my research anyway. I'll have to check out the rubbish from time to time then.
 
gbn
2:38 PM
@MarkStoreySmith This is DBA.SE. It's quality rubbish
 
 
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6:54 PM
If SQLSentry fails to install properly this 15th time, I'm going to have to take a look at Redgate!
 
gbn
I haven't used SQLSentry but I always have doubts about 3rd party tools
which one of their kit are you trying?
 
Its primarily for the performance advisor. Great tool, just being a bit difficult in this environment.
 
gbn
Red gate don't have the same thing
 
Main client uses Idera, for which I have very little affection left.
 
gbn
I started with Red Gate because they were cheaper (back in 2003)
The rest seem to pitch at your bosses as some kind of silver bullet.
 
7:01 PM
Did they have anything in the monitoring bracket prior to the current offering?
 
gbn
never IIRC
 
I met one of the SQLSentry chaps on the SQLSkills course in London + they hosted an evening session going through the product. Good stuff on the while
whole
 
gbn
dev and DBA tools
 
farking keyboard! :)
 
gbn
Aaron Bertrand?
 
7:02 PM
Scott Fallen
"SQL Sentry 6.2 Setup Wizard ended prematurely"
ARSE!
 
gbn
We've all had that, one way or another ;.)
 
gbn
@MarkStoreySmith most of this stuff comes from DMVs anyway
 
Indeed but the automated collection, analysis and pretty graphs for the sake of the non-techs, is great
"Completed the SQL Sentry 6.2 Setup Wizard"
<--- gone to the fridge for a beer
 
gbn
True, would be useful
 
7:16 PM
I'd ping SQL Sentry. Usually the stuff's pretty easy to install, and it's worth it. PA's a great product.
 
@BrentOzar Looks like it's finally good to go. I'm not ruling out a proportion of FUE (******* user error) being to blame in my efforts so far.
phew and the pretty graphs just lit up
 
Whoops, wrong room for hotlinking
 
Next up, a spot of Hallengren maintenance magic
 
gbn
@MarkStoreySmith yes, I like them
Also, Michelle Ufford's script sqlfool.com/2011/06/index-defrag-script-v4-1
 
What's up everbody? I'm only here for about two minutes, then gone to pick up lunch
 
7:26 PM
@jcolebrand One of those days! I'm headed to the sofa with scotch shortly :)
 
gbn
@MarkStoreySmith glass or bottle?
 
@MarkStoreySmith On the sofa, wish I had a scotch, have to go write up a lot of details for my social goings ons ... like our local TEDx talks that we need to start organizing, and our training sessions that I've got to setup.
yay writing
 
I honestly had to email a client earlier along the lines of "Someone appears to have compressed the C: drive of your server. This is generally considered to be a bad idea."
 
lol, wow
 
@gbn We'll approach this on a glass by glass basis
@jcolebrand TEDx?
 
gbn
7:28 PM
@MarkStoreySmith not a school night then?
 
@gbn Have to trudge to a client tomorrow but nothing too major on the critical list
 
@MarkStoreySmith You're familiar with TED.com yes?
 
@jcolebrand I am now :)
 
the x is for independently organized (ergo local) events
 
gotcha
What are you TEDxing about in your area?
 
7:34 PM
Lots of stuffs. after I get back with two pies in about twenty minutes and I get my notebook out I'ld be glad to tell you ;-)
 
Roger that. Go get them pies.
 
ack ack ;-)
 
7:55 PM
Anyone know why Ola uses SQLCMD for the agent jobs?
 
8:36 PM
@BrentOzar Any thoughts on this Q? I'm stumped. dba.stackexchange.com/questions/7753/…
 
@MarkStoreySmith Yeah, I'd run sp_WhoIsActive in a tight loop, dumping the data to table, while it's happening. That'll show the actual waits for each query. Just gathering the system-level waits won't show what the specific wait is for the drop-table query.
 
Even thought we got zero waits recorded between start and finish of the test script?
thought = though
Must be a problem with my keyboard today! :)
 
Yeah, that simply can't be right.
Unless they're CPU-bound, which you'd catch with signal waits.
Ooo, you know what else would cause it and not show up in waits - VLFs. adventuresinsql.com/2009/12/…
 
I've asked for spinlock stats next and asked him to test without dropping the temp tables explicitly. I'm head scratching
Got him to do VLFs already. Was high so he's shrunk and resized.
 
8:51 PM
Dammit.
 
I like the way you think though. :-D
 
I thought I was on to a winner with the TokenAndUserPermStore but the size came back as 4MB odd
 
He says it's taking >5 sec on the one server - that's really a slam-dunk for sp_whoisactive there. He won't even need to run it in a loop.
The only other thing, and I hate to even recommend this, but when I'm dealing with out-of-support versions like that, I usually tell clients to try to get it to a supported SP before we start troubleshooting.
 
Server has ALOT of databases on it apparently, in the hundreds, but with zero waits showing up, what else might sp_whoisactive catch?
true true
 
8:54 PM
As a consultant it's easier to say, "I would hate to do hours of troubleshooting only to find that it's been fixed in a service pack - and end up billing you thousands of dollars for something you could have fixed for free. Plus you're out of support anyway."
sp_WhoIsActive will catch task-level waits. sys.dm_os_wait_stats is good, don't get me wrong, but when I'm troubleshooting one specific query, I need to see what each task is waiting on.
 
Want to chuck your thoughts on the Q?
Happy to do so but I'll be stealing rep! :)
 
Hahaha, okay, okay, twisting my arm...
OK, done.
Ooo, forgot to add the SP stuff.
 
Cheers, your +1 for it already :)
 
+2 now ;-)
 
evening @MikeWalsh
 
9:00 PM
HAHAHA
Thanks, guys.
 
Hey @Mark
Sorry.. Hey @MarkStoreySmith still getting used to the interface here ;-)
 
We've got a backlog of stuff for you guys to dip into when you're bored
Check anything @MartinSmith has posted an answer on, lots of in the guts of it stuff!
 
@MikeWalsh It's almost a fair sight better than IRC
Just doesn't have quite as many features (it's much younger)
 
dba.se is a good break from looking at this reallly reallly bad customer database :) Feel free to direct me anywhere I can go to help for a little bit.. Still relative n00b with the whole thing here, just click on questions and look for new questions that haven't been answered or few answers
 
@MikeWalsh see my earlier comment regarding email sent to a client today. dba.se is full of interesting diversions.
Without the unbearably low SNR on SO.
@MikeWalsh here's a couple of interesting ones for starters... dba.stackexchange.com/questions/7350/… dba.stackexchange.com/questions/7233/…
 
9:08 PM
ouch @MarkStoreySmith - I've been independent as a consultant for about 4 months now. The more clients I meet, the more secure I end up feeling in that "there is plenty of work for us out there!" ;-) Compressing your C:\ drive is one good example. I got to send the "if you change these two little things in this ugly query (for now) you'll see a 150x-300x reduction in both duration and reads" e-mail late last night.
 
Hahaha, yeah. That's why I don't worry about more bloggers becoming consultants - I want it to happen. Clients need so much help.
 
@MikeWalsh welcome to the dark side :)
 
+1 on that @BrentOzar lots of fun work to do out there for a lot more consultants.
 
@MikeWalsh where were you fulltime before going indy?
 
So @MarkStoreySmith on those Questions - what more are you looking for? Those are pretty good answers/discussions already. Not to sound daft, but what's the goal? I don't think I could add too much new and useful to either of those questions :-)
@MarkStoreySmith I was full time with a consultancy as their SQL Server practice lead but that wasn't where their heart was, so I left with them as my first client, @MarkStoreySmith
 
9:16 PM
On the inaccurate row counts one, we've got repro for when it occurs but no explanation as to why its happening. My answer to my own question is "paused" while I try and figure out the behaviour.
On the insert/sort one, Martin has dug up all sorts of variations for when a sort occurs or not but we've not got to a root cause for the optimiser taking different paths
Signing off for the evening, cya later chaps.
 
'night
 
9:41 PM
@MarkStoreySmith I just asked the inaccurate row counts on the MVP discussion list. I think Denny had intended on doing the same. We'll see if a healthy answer comes up from the others on the discussion list or the folks at Microsoft. @MarkStoreySmith
 
10:19 PM
@MarkStoreySmith Paul White took the bait on the actual counts question. His answer is going where the thought process was heading anyway but provides a link to back it up as well. Paul really knows the Query Optimizer.
 
11:01 PM
@MikeWalsh You're a gent, thanks.
 

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