Game of Go

balpha

09:01

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A: How do we go about getting the markup plugins we need?

I doubt anybody working at Stack Exchange is going to take time to learn how to write an SGF parser just for a private beta site. Sounds like fun -- challenge accepted :) No, I didn't write an SGF parser, but the arguably most important thing – Sensei-style diagrams – will work ...

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mafutrct

11:09

nice :)

that's something to work with

the diagrams look a little mangled for me, but it's readable

Fabian

@mafutrct Which browser? it looks very nice without errors for me

mafutrct

Chrome on W7

There are no errors for me, too, it just looks hmm.. as if it was upscaled

Maybe it's just the missing font smoothing

Fabian

It's antialiased in most parts

mafutrct

Can I send you a screenshot?

Fabian

Tha's how it looks for me

I find it looks nicer than the other implementations I've seen

mafutrct

11:15

Yes, looks the same for me.

Let me check with the Sensei's one, 1 sec.

Fabian

I think you mean the slightly fuzzy lines, that's the antialiasing.

mafutrct

Eew, I forgot how ugly the Sensei's one was. You're right

This one is better.

Certainly ok for now :)

balpha

13:19

@mafutrct Lines should be crisper now.

mafutrct

14:07

@balpha yeah looks a little better. If you want to keep working on this, maybe make the font of numbered stones slightly less bold (it reminds me of the ugly Windows 3.1 bold fonts), and the outline of the stones (the thin black line around them) less pixelated (current AA does not seem to work perfectly there yet). Just my opinion though

balpha

like that?

CodeInChaos

Is there no event that's triggered when the editor changes the preview content?

龚元程

yes, the board is updated in real time in the preview window

need to wait a few seconds

balpha

@CodeInChaos noting that's really easily pluggable at the moment. I'm considering adding something; until then, you'll have to live with a timeout

龚元程

14:25

where can I see the source for the board above?

I tried but couldn't get the move numbers to show correctly

CodeInChaos

I looked for such an event when hacking together my user script, and finally went with a 500ms timeout(but only on pages with an wmd-editor) which felt quick. Looks like you went with an increasing timeout once nothing gets edited.

龚元程

or guideline on how to use it (is it just like SL?)

CodeInChaos

It's just like SL

龚元程

ok

balpha

meta.go.stackexchange.com/revisions/… is the source for meta.go.stackexchange.com/questions/4/…

mafutrct

14:28

@balpha woah, nice

mafutrct

15:15

Does anyone feel like posting a Q about the wall +1 rule? I feel dumb answering my own questions all the time

jkerian

17:07

@mafutrct I, for one, don't feel bad about conspiring to form questions at all... what would you like the direction of the question to be?

mafutrct

@jkerian Along the lines of "how far should an extension be?"

This is one of my favorite topics when teaching beginners :)

jkerian

17:37

sorry.... got distracted by work

mafutrct

@jkerian lol, dont worry, this is not supposed to be a real time chat :)

jkerian

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Q: How far can you safely extend from your own wall?

When extending into what is basically open territory, how far can you extend to increase your influence/moyo, without inviting an invasion?

moyo

On that note... during the private beta there is probably few enough questions on the site that we could turn the channel feed on

Or, alternatively, turn on the "Feed screen" at the top, that way it doesn't interfere with the rest of the chat

Adrian Petrescu

18:11

Holy moley, the diagram generator is gorgeous

I gotta agree with Fabian, the anti-aliasing makes it look way nicer than the ones we're used to on Sensei's

Mad, mad props to balpha for this

mafutrct

19:01

@jkerian Will have to consult some books to get further examples, should suffice as is for now, I hope

@jkerian What is that? Channel feed?

@AdrianPetrescu Absolutely, it's very nice. Superior to Sensei's already, of course hoping that it's further improved :)

Adrian Petrescu

:)

The only thing on my wishlist for the diagram generator at the moment is improved star-point graphic

The big hollow circle is grating to me, it should definitely just be the smaller filled-in circle

SL always got that wrong, and balpha was probably just using that as a model

mafutrct

Oh, that's right. It was a little confusing

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Q: Why did black avoid the straightforward capture here?

The following position is from a 1998 China-Japan friendship match, described in Shuko's book The Only Move by Hinoki Press. $$Bcm31 Why B33? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X X O . ...

professional-game

I'd guess its because of the 2nd line attachment at M18

there seems to be a tiny difference in the fight, assuming black hanes on the outside

but far from being worth not capturing that stone, imo

Adrian Petrescu

Hmm, never considered M18

mafutrct

I'm sure 'a' is not sente though, there is no way white would answer locally

white would always take the W34 point

well, or attach at m18 :)

Adrian Petrescu

Sure, that's why I say it's "almost" sente. There's bigger points on the board, but the aji created at 'b' is definitely worth something

mafu, do you play on KGS? :)

@matutrct Do you play on KGS?

mafutrct

19:20

sure

mafutrct :)

Adrian Petrescu

Cool

I'm apetresc

We should play sometime :)

What's the explanation behind your name, out of curiosity?

mafutrct

if someone feels like posting a question... "Why is the first move in the upper right corner?"

sure :)

oh, that's one of my FAQ :)

it's a long story, and I kind of forgot the details

I remember that it was an abbreviation

with the nice feature of being almost impossible to pronounce... and to type, unless you're used to it.

Adrian Petrescu

Yeah, I keep having to double-check it ;)

jkerian

19:46

@mafutrct Whoever owns this channel (no idea who that is), can turn on a feed where we'll see each new question that's posted to the site here in the channel

If we decide that's too spammy, another option is for a little dropdown to show up in the top-left of this chat-frame, that shows the same information, but doesn't interrupt the normal flow of the conversation

mafutrct

@jkerian Oh, sounds lovely

mafutrct

20:14

@AdrianPetrescu Added an answer... I think it's wrong though >_>

Adrian Petrescu

21:55

I like it a lot -- thanks :)

Adrian Petrescu

22:12

Does anyone know who is currently able to accept suggested edits?

Since there's nobody with 2000+ rep yet

Only @balpha or something?

mafutrct

@AdrianPetrescu I just accepted an edit, not sure if it was yours. If I remember right I have enough rep to edit posts now anyway. Why?

Adrian Petrescu

Ah okay

mafutrct

@AdrianPetrescu Updated the answer :)

Adrian Petrescu

I forgot that the original author can accept an edit

I think you need 2,000 rep to accept suggested edits on arbitrary posts

(Or to make edits)

(On others' posts)

I was just curious how that was gonna work, no particular reason :)

mafutrct

Ah, yeah, probably.

Adrian Petrescu

22:17

You are definitely the rock star of the Go SE so far

Ooh, thanks for the high-dan confirmation

mafutrct

It's fun :)

Adrian Petrescu

Yup

Thinking of people to invite to get more questions in

Particularly concrete, positional questions

mafutrct

welcome. I found it funny that they didn't see it either. maybe the pros were just messing with us :)

Adrian Petrescu

Not just "How do I do [x]" types

mafutrct

I'm preparing a few questions right now.

They should be reasonably easy to answer, too, but I'd had to do some research so I figured they'd be a good fit for the site

Adrian Petrescu

22:22

Awesome

Fabian

@AdrianPetrescu I'm pretty certain it is coupled to the general edit privilege, so anyone that can edit can accept a suggested edit. The notification about pending edits is coupled to the mod tools, though, so you need more rep for that.

Adrian Petrescu

Gotcha. So 2,000 then?

I have over 2,000 rep on SO but I've never seen a suggested edit by anyone else :(

I guess I need to get the mod tools at 10K

Fabian

It's only 1000 on a beta site

Adrian Petrescu

Oh cool

jkerian

22:36

wow... that board display widget is very nice

Adrian Petrescu

Yeah

mafutrct

23:15

I am horrified to be unable to find the wall+1 rule in any book

I found extend 3 from a 2 stone wall in Shape Up! but that's all

I'm sure there has to be more....

jkerian

I think I read it in the introductory series by Jeong Soo-Hyun/Janice Kim

amazon.com/Learn-Play-Go-II-Moving/dp/0964479621 <-- I'll check tonight

jkerian

23:34

Yeah, reading the description of that volume, I'm pretty sure it's there

mafutrct

I just had a look, it is somewhat in there.

jkerian

just the 1->2, 2->3 variant

mafutrct

Yeah

Maybe I was confusing this with what I learned online

I thought I read it in books, too

I remember one great example of black extending 1 too far, white too advantage of that in such a cute way

jkerian

granted... I'm not sure "if 12, 13" is completely reliable as a guide to when you can't be invaded

mafutrct

Let's see if I can find it.

You mean for large extensions?

jkerian

23:43

yeah

mafutrct

Certainly, it doesn't work that well for say, > 4

In those cases, global strategy becomes more important

Sometimes you want to play tighter because your wall has a tiny weakness

Sometimes you want to go extra wide because your wall is super thick

Adrian Petrescu

LOL

mafu has ~14,300 reputation on all of SE combined

Which the chat room rendered as a "14.3k" under his name

I immediately thought this meant he was 14-kyu

And was extremely impressed that SE had already implemented rank indicators

Alas

jkerian

I think he's a fair bit stronger than 14k, also :P

Adrian Petrescu

Yup

mafutrct

haha xD

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