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8:23 AM
@JasonClyde Probably a couple of hours
one can't just flick a switch and turn it all on
 
 
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1:21 PM
@JourneymanGeek I wonder how much thermal constraints has to do with the start-up time for the grid. What's the fastest that you can go on cold equipment.
 
@Green and presumably EMF
 
@JourneymanGeek that too. I'm finding it hard to reason about the grid. It's so immensely huge but components in the grid operate on the millisecond timescales.
 
Consider brownouts too
 
@Green Have you figured out what you're going to do with that information?
 
@AndyD273 No, not yet. I believe the change to my answers will be subtle since this is stuff that I was doing anyway....just going forward I may be a bit more deliberate about it.
 
1:30 PM
@James Hey, saw an interesting video about a potential new way to boost solar panels beyond the theoretical max peak efficiency of 29%
@Green OK, just curious
 
@AndyD273 Well, there's also my strong preference for coming up with cheatery answers that answer questions in ways the author didn't want or didn't expect.
 
@Green I kinda like to do both most of the time. Here's the answer to the question as stated, here's the answer if you took these other things into consideration
@Green lol. I was wondering what mech warrior had to do with with WB... other than mechs are cool
 
@AndyD273 That guy's mania from 3:00 onwards.....I can't help but think "What is happening here?" My wife would be really really unhappy with me if I ever got that manic.
 
@Green I didn't watch the video, just saw the title and got confused
@Green I feel for the people that had to play with him
 
I suspect that its several games worth of mania condensed down to a few minutes of whiskey fueled mania.
@James Also, my favorite ciders these days are the ones aged in whiskey barrels. I'm moving up in the world.
 
1:45 PM
@Green "The hydrocarbons can be stored at relatively shallow depths this time" I wonder what depth they could be stored at, where they are fairly easy to get to, but not in danger of getting into the water table. And how you'd build storage at that depth unless you found some kind of natural cave, which probably isn't a great idea since caves are generally made by flowing water, meaning they are part of the water cycle
I mean, maybe you could fill up the gypsum mines below Detroit? Maybe they are deep enough...
Or some abandoned coal mines once the coal has been taken out
 
I wonder if those old mines have the capacity to contain even a fraction of the oil that humanity has extracted from all the porous rocks.
 
Dunno. You could expand them, make big reservoir areas of a few million gallons each down there...
I wonder if you could process it into some kind artificial coal that could be turned back into hydrocarbons, but that you don't have to worry about getting into the water
But there I go forced internalizing externalities on your answer... ;)
 
2:41 PM
@AndyD273 Haha! That's the kind of externalities one would want to account for.
 
3:26 PM
 
 
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6:49 PM
@Shalvenay hey!
 
7:02 PM
@Green Whats shakin verde?
 
@James Just workin' on stuff.
 
@Green Woo. Workin on stuff. I'm doing some of that too...conference call Zzzzz
 
@James Womp womp.
 
Also, if we hung out I'd have to help you up your game on beverages...
 
@James I still have a very low tolerance. I'd get one or two shots in then it's sleepy time for Green.
Have you ever had maple whiskey?
 
7:07 PM
@Green @AndyD273 Hey
 
@Green like crown? Yeah...not really my style.
 
@JasonClyde hey!
 
How's it going?
 
@James Crown Royale is maple whiskey?
 
If I am drinking booze its generally going to be a Rye with a little ice
 
7:07 PM
@JasonClyde Shootin' the breeze on WB :)
 
@JasonClyde Hey there
 
Fair enough.
 
@Green Crown has a couple different flavored whiskey. Pretty sure they have a maple version.
 
How about you @AndyD273 ?
 
@James I had a maple whiskey and ginger ale a few weeks ago. It was good stuff.
 
7:09 PM
@Green Ill do a vodka soda with some lime now and again...but I've basically stopped adding sweet stuff to my drinks.
Though I admit gingerale is a good choice of training wheel.
 
@James There's a Canadian cidery who makes lots of different flavors. They were pretty sweet and I liked them till I read the ingredients and it was "water, alcohol, glucose, natural seasoning, apple juice". F*** that noise. I want the real stuff.
Alcohol spiked sugar water is not my stuff.
 
@Green I got an answer last night on my question on neglect-proofing the infrastructure. From a pretty seasoned user no less.
 
@JasonClyde what's your next question going to be about?
 
So I was not expecting the answer he gave to be "Child Labor"
 
@JasonClyde Not a ton. Fixing up some old projects that the higher ups have finally thought might be a good thing to work on... a year later, after I've forgotten a lot of the details...
 
7:12 PM
@AndyD273 Jeez
 
@Green Try tito's and soda with a lime wedge squeezed into it. You can thank me later.
@AndyD273 Nothing like the start stop start stop stop stop stop start cycle of code development.
 
@JasonClyde WillK usually has pretty good answers. There was a guy a long time ago, named Samuel who absolutely killed it for a while (then he went dark with other obligations). I learned a lot from him about how to write good answers.
 
It's not a terrible idea actually. Bring a handful of kids in as interns in a work study situation. Not working in the mines or sweat shops, but bringing them in to train
as backups is a little different than "child labor"
 
@AndyD273 Or society sees that they need to redefine "child labor" to save their own skins.
 
@AndyD273 Could the job of maintaining a power plant be simplified enough with modifications that trained 12 year olds could do it for a week if needed?
 
7:18 PM
@JasonClyde I think so. It'd be very expensive to pull off but could be done.
 
Hmm... I have to say, writingwise it's a fascinating concept to accidentally make realistic like this.
 
@JasonClyde Probably. Especially if there are adults that can manage from afar. My 10 yo could probably push a lot of button and flip switches if I told her what ones to do, and walked her through it a few times in person ahead of time.
 
@Green At this point I feel like it would be easier to just program a robot...
 
Ah yes. That would be the case in most instances of these "Trials"
 
and she's not even a great listener...
 
7:22 PM
The adults would still have phones and be conscious
 
@James Maybe, though I'd go with remote telepresence robot instead of autonomous robot.
 
Here's a thought: How much would the kids be paid?
 
@JasonClyde ...nothing.
My kids think its unfair to have to do chores for free. I kindly explain that fairness is a made up concept and they need to get used to things not being fair.
 
@James Robots only get you so far though. Every technological system is one part human and one part machine. You can get the machines to be bonkers capable but there will always be something it can't do or some error condition it can't fix. You need humans as the exception handlers.
 
@Green ...sure...but 12 year old reliability versus robot reliability...Ill take the robot any day.
 
7:26 PM
@Green Why I'm not all that worried about full automation, at least for a while
 
@James Teach them to be commies! :D Explain that their food, clothes and shelter rely on them making contributions to society. No contributions = no benefits.
 
Poor poor madam president.
 
...their chores are their contributions.
 
The press is gonna have a field day with the kind of decisions she has to make.
 
families are basically small scale socialism, but it works because all parties have a vested interest in helping each other out.
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@JasonClyde Who in the what now?
 
7:28 PM
In my story
 
@James And it's the only place that socialism works
@JasonClyde Could be an unpaid "work preparation" school situation, or a social service, but some kind of reward if everything hits the fan.
 
@AndyD273 Socialism is like Agile PM methodology. On a small scale, with a similar willing group that is geographically co-located it works amazingly well. You start to expand or change those components and it gets unwieldy rather rapidly.
 
Second child really wants to do a "bring your child to work day" in the ER with my wife. If I had a job where they could walk around and push all the buttons they'd be over the moon.
 
@AndyD273 Some crazy shit happens in the ER...
Thank your wife for doing that.
 
@James She can't do it till the kids are 13 IIRC, so a few years. But it's a thing the hospital does every year.
I'm pretty sure I couldn't do it
 
7:32 PM
When I was in high school I got my EMT-B certification and I had to do clinical hours in the ER. I saw some things I was wholly unprepared for at 17 years old.
 
@AndyD273 I knew a woman once who's dad worked in a nuclear missile silo. As a child, she was allowed to go down into the silo with extremely strict instructions to not touch anything. We're all still here so I guess she didn't touch anything.
 
@Green I'm guessing you can't get away with that anymore lol
 
@Green that would be cool
 
@James probably not.
 
@AndyD273 honestly not as cool as you think. The technology in silos largely hasn't been updated in 50 years...
 
7:35 PM
@James I hear the stories. Any situation where the phrase "we had to shove the bone back under the skin" applies is something I'll probably avoid.
@James Also, the gulags are generally well furnished, and sentences usually only last a short amount of time.
 
@AndyD273 Strait up watched an old man die while his wife was sitting there...
On a less depressing note...or at least only partially depressing note...
 
@James I hear those stories too...
 
A drunk guy came in after he caused a car accident and ended up handcuffed to a bed (because he tried to run away cause police were waiting to take him to jail) the ER nurses put together a 1$ buy in pool to guess his blood alcohol level.
For the record we used Price is Right rules.
 
I should mention that one to the wife...
 
@AndyD273 When I got home and told my mom she was appalled, I just thought it was really funny. I mean you see some crazy ass people in the ER. Nurses have to stay sane and find a way to laugh.
 
7:43 PM
@James Dark humor is the best!
 
Betting on how drunk a guy is seems kinda tame... I've heard a lot darker
 
@Green ...I have a hunch we'd have a lot of fun playing cards against humanity.
@AndyD273 no doubt.
Which reminds me...I'm still a Gwen Stefani fan.
 
@James I believe we would.
 
heh. thats a good one.
 
Too much?
 
7:50 PM
dark...very dark lol
If you don't feel like you need a shower after you play you're not doing it right.
 
 
hehe
 
8:25 PM
While talking about things that can change to help our environment, I think this is worth posting...
 
 
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10:06 PM
@Green @AndyD273 thinking on it some more, I think if I do the kid workers thing, they're gonna have to be paid. The idea of having it entirely be up to the government what kids work where, causing industry businesses to compete for government favor, seems... both rife with abuse and the sort of thing my world's president would hate.
 
10:18 PM
@JasonClyde I agree. You could also make the school system have a much stronger trades program than the US has now. By age 12, you're expected to able to operate the machinery of your trade. Liability and accountability laws will need to change to keep up with the workforce suddenly being 5 years younger and the accompanying loss of mental maturity.
 
10:33 PM
That would be a very interesting thing to add to later years in the stories.
@Green Also, thinking back to when I was a kid...
@Green Even minimum wage, a week's wages would be an insane windfall for a pre-teen.
 
11:22 PM
@JasonClyde it sure was for me as a late teen.
 
hey there @Green, how're things going?
 

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