The Factory Floor - 2019-03-19

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1:31 PM

@Mephistopheles World building isn't really an exercise in pen testing. Most people don't want to break the system. Most people will stop when they run into a wall of text at speed.

I looked at that question, scrolled down, shrugged, and closed the tab.

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid
(it's a saying I heard from one of my better professors. I didn't make it up, and neither did he. It's not pointed at you specifically.)

So Disney reinstated James Gunn to direct Guardians of the Galaxy 3. I guess they really jumped the Gunn when they fired him.

2:16 PM

@AndyD273 And we're good on keeping bad-puns for another week.

@James Just making sure I'm pulling my weight.

Though it kinda looks a little like it was just a publicity stunt until the outrage mob got distracted by some fresher meat.

I for one don't think anyone should get fired for something that happened so long ago. If he had robbed a bank he would have been fine. I believe the statute of limitations is less than 10 years.

I was just thinking this morning...it use to be that ignorance is bliss now it seems ignorance is outrage

The idea of permanent unpersoning with no chance of forgiveness ever without any kind of trial is evil on the most basic level.

Journeyman Geek

2:33 PM

@AndyD273 ._.

@AndyD273 there's an old indian saying... well tamil one...

Hit me painlessly and I will cry without cease...

@AndyD273 John Oliver's show on Sunday was all about public shaming and mob outrage it was good. He wrapped the whole thing up by interviewing Monica Lewinsky.

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though in this case - I think the outrage over firing Gunn was much worse.

@JourneymanGeek Probably why they felt they could "unfire" him, while others are still shunned.

@James I'll have to look that one up

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@AndyD273 and what he did was victimless

he was an idiot on twitter. Looks less worse than, say someone accusing someone of harassment or worse

Honestly I don't even remember what he did, and he makes good movies so I am happy.

@JourneymanGeek By that measure 90% of twitter users should be unemployable.

2:39 PM

@JourneymanGeek Most of the public outrage "crimes" are victimless. Outside of the hollywood monsters that got away with assaulting people for years, most of them have been petty BS.

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@James lol

@AndyD273 in this case critically - the accuser was an unlikable crackpot

@JourneymanGeek Shouldn't matter

Journeyman Geek

It does

No, it doesn't. The "accuser" just pointed to things that Gunn put up publicly. He didn't say that Gunn molested him. Gunn did a stupid thing a long time ago. The law should not pay attention to the politics of the people.

Tribalism is the key, and the disease.

@AndyD273 I'd generally agree with this.

2:47 PM

If you let your politics dictate justice, then it's not justice.

@AndyD273 Problem being humans are tribal by nature...

@AndyD273 Yep

@James Doesn't make it right :)

@AndyD273 But it does make it reality.

Its hard to do that angels of our better nature thing

But that's not how it's supposed to work. That's exactly why the Hollywood monsters got away with it for so long.

@AndyD273 You're doing it again...

you're mad at another tribe.

2:50 PM

Our tribe, we don't talk about the casting couch. We don't condemn the guy that drugged and sodomized a 13 yo girl. Getting felt up by the exec is just part of the deal.

Calling out evil is not tribalism.

Ah. I misunderstood your monsters comment.

You should know me better than that :)

There are also a lot of monsters in sports, politics, television...ugh. Sometimes I understand villains....

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@AndyD273 I've been twittering, it skews your brain.

The evil needs to be called out, though "innocent until proven guilty" is still REALLY important

@James being The Punisher is all well and good, until you jump on the outrage train just a bit too early.

@AndyD273 You may like Oliver's take on the topic. He basically talks about it as a spectrum. He uses the recent crapstorm around Tucker Carlson as an example. He said some horrible stuff, publicly...on air...refuses to apologise and plays the victim...which is insane. Public shaming/outrage in that case...I think I agree is fair and warranted.

@AndyD273 Yeah I have a 48 hour rule for things I hear about.

I don't form an opinion for at least 48 hours (or try not to) because 9/10 the whole story changes once people actually take the time to look at it...

2:59 PM

@James But on a different note What Tucker said was 10+ years ago. If that whole 'all cells are replaced every 7 years' thing is true, the he's literally a different person. And apologizing never ever works with the outrage mob.

@AndyD273 Yeah but he didn't do that and then played the victim. I am inclined to believe people that apologize and say "Sorry, that was a decade ago, things have changed a lot and I have change...etc etc etc."

I missed where he played the victim. He said "Hey, that was a long time ago. If you want to know what I believe now, you can hear it every night. If you don't agree with what I believe, I'll give you a platform to tell the world why you think I'm wrong."

And look at what happened to Kevin Hart. He said dumb things 10+ years ago. He apologized multiple times. Mob still didn't care.

Apologizing never works. I wouldn't apologize in their shoes.

Apologizing makes you look weak.

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Q: The Elementary Evil vs You /Wights/ Preventing Henry from gaining (more) power

Several hundred years after Simon, the Sudoer, Anon and two gold dragons managed to seal him away, Heinrich, the First, formerly Henry, is back, this time with an M249, ready to give world domination another shot. Henry's army The guy has soulless written all over his face but isn't our main co...

science-based military-defense zombies strategy

So, I edited it

"Self-replicating firearms"

3:20 PM

People need to be allowed to make mistakes, and then should be judged by their lives as a whole. If media matters hadn't gone in to the way back machine and raked through years worth of mud for a couple snippet they could use to attack him, no one would know that he had ever said anything like that, because his life since then hasn't had anything like that. Just like Gunn.

Gunn said some "shock jock" style things, which objectively were worse than what Tucker said, but his life since then hasn't shown that. It's exactly the same, and neither of them should be attacked for it.

@AndyD273 Meddling with way back isn't a good idea, especially for those outlets that have been archived more completely.

He who is without sin can cast the first stone?

@Hosch250 Something along those lines, yea

If you have a problem with someone, go to them alone the first time, with a witness the second time, and with the mob the third time.

OK, that last one is a paraphrase :P

Watched the Joe Rogan interview with Jack Dorsey, a twitter lawyer, and Tim Pool, and Jack brought up one interesting story about a lady who was de-radicalized from the westboro baptist church because she was exposed to other viewpoints and was able to see how maybe she had some bad ideas. If they had banned her instead, it would have just pushed her deeper into the echo chamber of bad ideas.

4:16 PM

@AndyD273 Yeah but he didn't do that and then played the victim. I am inclined to believe people that apologize and say "Sorry, that was a decade ago, things have changed a lot and I have changed...etc etc etc."

1 hour ago, by AndyD273

I missed where he played the victim. He said "Hey, that was a long time ago. If you want to know what I believe now, you can hear it every night. If you don't agree with what I believe, I'll give you a platform to tell the world why you think I'm wrong."

since we're repeating things :)

off to lunch, bbl

@AndyD273 We are experiencing intermittent proxy issues at work...joy

@James LOL.

I expect I'll see that message come in later too :)

4:36 PM

@James heh. No worries

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6:18 PM

I'd like to recommend this be re-opened, per my comments on the question, but I don't want to do it unilaterally. Opinions?

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Q: How to make money from a browser who sees 5 seconds into the future of any web page?

You installed a strange browser you found in the deep web that works similar to any other. You soon discover something really amazing. That browser shows the state of any web page or online app 5 seconds in the future. You make some tests. WhatsApp and similar things you can interact with quick...

internet time-manipulation

What were the strangest questions you ever saw here?

@Mephistopheles Ritualized cannibalism

...to be fair there is a lot of weird here. That's just some weirdness that I really found fun to write an answer for.

@James I admit it, that caught me off-guard

Sometimes I wonder, why do politics keep seeping into my dear entertainment?

@Mephistopheles Its like a super infectious virus. Plus Andy and I like to talk politics.

6:34 PM

@James WB:SE is one thing, I mean EVERYTHING

There aren't really any people around me that I can talk politics with. Most of the people I spend time with are family who agree with me, so that's boring, and the rest are co-workers, and I don't talk about anything important with them.

The deepest conversation I've had with a co-worker was earlier when I had to break it to one of them that they were not a coffee snob just because they drank the expensive Folgers.

@AndyD273 Bahahaha

When I was revisiting the normal part of my childhood (the one that wasn't Ghost in the Shell, or Bleach, and I think I once saw a bit from Cowboy Bebop) and I came across Sleeping Beauty, later, out of curiosity I decided to (illegally download) watch the pseudo-remake Maleficent. It was a meh movie with lots of wasted potential as having a movie with no real villain was too challenging for them. But why was it so hated? I looked into Wikipedia to see the answer:

Maleficent (film)

Maleficent is a 2014 American dark fantasy film directed by Robert Stromberg from a screenplay by Linda Woolverton, and starring Angelina Jolie as the title character with Sharlto Copley, Elle Fanning, Sam Riley, Imelda Staunton, Juno Temple, and Lesley Manville in supporting roles. Loosely inspired by Charles Perrault's original fairy tale and Walt Disney's 1959 animated film Sleeping Beauty, the film portrays the story from the perspective of the eponymous antagonist, depicting her conflicted relationship with the princess and king of a corrupt kingdom.Walt Disney Pictures announced the film...

I guess I'll just drown myself

@Mephistopheles Because it was hated?

Wouldn't ticket selling platforms get suspicious if someone bought out the VIP section 5 seconds before the tickets went on sale? — Alexandre Aubrey 4 hours ago

6:44 PM

@AndyD273 If they wanted to criticize "rape culture", they'd just show us the original! (the written version) Why this?

Dark Fantasy my ###

Oh man, yes, original, unadulterated fairytales are dark.

@Hosch250 Rape, child murder, implied cannibalism, immolation, adultery, rape, necrophilia, all in one story.

IKR?

And the fairies were "paying" the child support

@Mephistopheles I don't think that's why people didn't like the movie. It's their excuse for why people didn't like the movie. Disney has a hard time admitting that they can make B movies too.

See The Last Jedi and Captain Marvel (from all reports, won't see it till next week.)

6:55 PM

@AndyD273 I think it was because of Stefan. You'd have expected that if the movie tries to make a villain into a hero, at least it'd be morally gray, but no, they just flipped the roles. I mean, just tone down his "evil" into paranoidly turning his castle into a post-modern gallery of rebar-statues. Making his motivation to be king to end the war against the moors, and an "It has to be this way" mentality at the end fight, or something

It wouldn't have been that hard

Saw this video about why Aquaman doesn't suck like the other DC movies, and it makes me wonder if the issue they bring up is present in Maleficent. It's just been too long since I saw it last.

Need to get round to watching Aquaman at some point.

I'll pick it up when it hits the video store probably

7:26 PM

@AndyD273 Well, yes. I mean, that's what you get when trying to push all the agendas at once instead of trying to tell a good story.

7:46 PM

@AndyD273 Dude what is this 1995?

Ballistic limit

The ballistic limit or limit velocity is the velocity required for a particular projectile to reliably (at least 50% of the time) penetrate a particular piece of material. In other words, a given projectile will generally not pierce a given target when the projectile velocity is lower than the ballistic limit. The term ballistic limit is used specifically in the context of armor; limit velocity is used in other contexts.The ballistic limit equation for laminates, as derived by Reid and Wen is as follows: V b ...

Unless it shows up on netflix. I'm not planning on buying it

Aquaman is not a good movie but of the DC movies it is probably my favorite. Its a lot of over the top action and excellent special effects. Pretty decent story, some back story on Atlantis which was fun, Momoa is awesome but lets be honest...not the best actor in the world.

All in all it was a lot of fun to watch, I enjoyed it.

Now, we only need a handful of data to calculate how thick a dragon's armor has to be, yay!

@James All that really matters

7:50 PM

Oh God, what's this equation?

walb.com/story/28786983/…

I take that as proof that dragons could easily shrug off a 9mm and a .38 revolver

The final goal would be the intermediate cartridges, but

@Mephistopheles LOL, I read that when it first came out.

The armadillo died anyway, from the shockwave ripping through the squishy inside.

8:07 PM

@Hosch250 Graphene, however, could reinforce everything except for my self-confidence

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