My problem is, this... thing should not be considered a human at all, because I want them to be deprived of human nor animal rights.

So you can basically come next to them, pull out a shot gun and burst them to smitherins

however, I also want them to have human feelings, intelligence and strength. They are basically mutants of our society, but I'm thinking, if they are... Humans with abnormal diseases then human rights will be involved. I basically want a creature that is neither human nor animal, with somehow a built resembling a human BUT a physical characteristic that you can consider as... mutant or freaks.

My best and closes description are the zombie people from fallout 3.

They too can't be a zombie because... zombies where once humans right?

My problem too is, IF I am adding human DNA to a creature, then that means that creature is part human, are they considered as humans? or could I consider them as, well, neither human nor animal.

*species

@Mr.J First, the site is there to ask questions, not necessarily the chat :-)

But then, you seem to have some confusion about DNA/biology. Humans ARE animals. In many ways, like many others.

Our DNA is similar to other animals... I don't remember the exact figure, but I think we share like 99% of our DNA with chimps and more than 80% with pigs (link)

"considered humans" by whom? For centuries, black-skinned people were not.

Neither were American natives

also "cancer cell" : cancer is just cell growing exponentially, without stopping. But it's not a specie

Various SF fictions debate about what does it mean to be Humans (and whether it can be transpose to AI). Ghost in the Shell or Blade Runner, e.g., come to mind

blade runner is also a good one about how robots can be close to humans

You may consider Tolkien's Orks... at least the Uruk'ai. They are artificially bred, but nonetheless, are shaped in humanoid forms, and have some kind of intelligence. They might fit your bill.

also, one reason that one can kill without problem a zombie or a robot is that they are not supposed to feel pain

@Kepotx yeah, that, and also because most of the time with Zombies, it's shoot them or let them eat you.

does it have to have the exact same way to feel/think than humans ?

same with uruk'ai

@Kepotx that's more debatable... they don't attack Saruman. Nor his allies.

I'm not aware of any Zombies source where they develop some form of social structure.

There probably are, but I never stumbled accross them.

@bilbo_pingouin sure. I mean that if they agress you, it's normal to kill them. But if they just want to drink tea with you, kill them because they are ugly seems a bit racist imho

yeah pretty much... but from Mr. J's note, I had the feeling, that shooting their creatures out of the blue would still be seen as fine...

Thing is, in some cases, even shooting a (non human) animal is seen as bad

it is in our world...

it those creatures are alive, I cannot really see how they could conceivably shot down on the spot just for sport by anyone anytime.

Unless they are a real threat...

It depends on the way you do it, not all farmers/hunters are in jail

but they could develop a different society... where that would be accepted

@Kepotx yeah, I don't know about all countries, but most western European have time frames for hunting, some places where you can and where you can't. And sometimes licenses to carry guns. Even for hunting. As for animal husbandry, there are dedicated slaughter houses.

And these days, people complain about "unnecessary pain while slaughtering the animals"

Sure, there is lot of laws. But hey are also some who give incentives to kill. In France, boars are seen as invasive animals, and hunters have to kill them

They have some minimum to kill each year's, and all damage made by boars are paid by hunter organizations

It's still badly seen by antispecists though

but even those are often organised in specific events (battue), where the expected number of animals to be killed is defined beforehand. And as you write, that does not go without some protests...

But to be honest, I don't think giving some human DNA to non human cell make this organism human at all

In fact we have already done it, like for insuline

We gave part of DNA that make insulin for humans to a bactery, and it can produce human insuline

I have seen no one saying that this bactery need to have human rights

Not in the biological sense no. But how they are accepted in the society... really depends on the society.

Good hunting!

(Been thinking of The Jungle Book for some reason recently.)

Good hunting to you, brother. (Reminds me come comics by Pratt)

as I might interest someone here...the mentioned comics refered to a past secret society, the Leopard Society

@bilbo_pingouin Huh.

That... peculiar. And at the same time, it totally makes sense now.

I always thought wild animal attacks were overblown in older books since they are typically so shy. I wonder if a significant portion of them were just groups like that targeting foreigners.

probably fueled some fiction...

That too.

but we have many stories of sharks attacks around... and the reality is... well... not up to the expectations.

But, I can totally see that happening. Then a native saying "Well, yeah, that was leopard."

Then them going on a grand leopard hunt, killing a leopard, and...

@bilbo_pingouin LOL, that too.

@Hosch250 well it make sense... encounter with those animals often don't end well (if extremely rare), thus rumours kick in, and make it scarier. Then those killings work as terrorism. Thus you achieve your revenge and scare the authorities...

Well played.

Yeah, although I tend call it "freedom fighting" in most cases.

Terrorism for me is more when you don't have a specific goal in mind, and no structure.

Just wanting to draw attention to yourself.

@Hosch250 That's not really the usual definition of terrorism.

I know.

@Hosch250 I strongly disagree. Terrorism is uaully politically motivated. It is a tool to achieve a goal.

Well, if you wish to define it that way, it's essentially the same thing, but with a negative twist.

"don't have a goal" = "achieve a goal"?

I mean, you define terrorism the way I define freedom fighting, basically.

If all you can do is guerrilla warfare, that's fine IMO.

See, the Auxiliaries/Black and Tans vs the IRA.

ok, the definition often depends on which side you're on... ;-)

Yes.

And I tend to support the underdog. It's just me.

but the goal is to act such as to scare the population, to shake the established order.

Yeah.

Or, not necessarily the entire population, but a subset, such as the ruling subset.

@Hosch250 it... really depends for me. But I like compromises, not absolutes ;-)

Terrorism to me is more random and doesn't have a specific goal.

The other has a specific goal and tends to target (especially voluntary) representatives of power and higher-ups.

Naturally, it's pretty gray in practice.

@bilbo_pingouin Yes, that's the best, usually, but powerful figures tend to stick their fingers where they aren't wanted.

Yeah, words have some meanings, and cover some realities... but what their exact contours are often blurry, and depends on one's culture/experience.

@Hosch250 There's a difference between guerilla warfare, and guerilla warfare against civilian populations to provoke mass terror.

@Hosch250 powerful figures are often on both sides of the equation... and often things would be solved by giving them a room ;-)

@bilbo_pingouin Yeah, stick them both in a room 6ft under ;)

@Gryphon Yes. "The other has a specific goal and tends to target (especially voluntary) representatives of power and higher-ups."

Happy Valentine's Day, people.

Yay! It's the day for all single people to be depressed! \sarcasm

@HDE226868 So the person getting the poem emits light of all wavelengths?

Roses are red, violets are blue, glucose is sweet, and science is cool

Drinking hydrogen peroxide is dangerous, right? lifehacks.stackexchange.com/a/20241/25488

12% probably won't be too bad but it isn't good for you.

I certainly wouldn't use it just to decarbonate a drink.

@HDE226868 Relevant xkcd: xkcd.com/1351

@HDE226868 I'm tempted to make a very sexually-tinged version based on that.

(Well, if you've got a Scandinavian sweetheart, or something...)

Doesn't work for me.

@AndyD273 Yes it did.

Scientific valentines cards that aren't romantic... Front: "I love you like HDE 226868 loves Cygnus X-1" Inside: "You're a black hole that is syphoning off my matter." With this picture on the front

OK, I think I got that out of my system

now if I could just get Crab Rave out of my head...

LOL.

Happy Supporting-Restaurant-Capitalism Day!

How's everyone doing?

Not bad

Good, good.

@NexTerren Happy National Organ Donor Day!

(Alternately, Happy National Ferris Wheel Day.)

Public Service Announcement: Don't be dumb. Get your SO flowers.

EVEN when she says she doesn't want them.

Maybe...especially then.

@James My dad used to do that to my mom.

She hated it because she's allergic to most flowers.

She'd usually end up flipping on him for spending the money.

TBH, I wouldn't get my SO flowers. It's too common to show that you are really thinking of them--you are just going with convention.

Use your brain and think of something new and romantic.

@Hosch250 "There is nothing new under the sun."

Wait, am I being cynical about not taking the defacto path for Valentine's? Is this recursive cynicism?

@Hosch250 Unless you can make giving her flowers romantic, ie by hand delivering them to work and making a big deal out of her in front of her coworkers...

That helps :)

@AndyD273 And obviously, show up at her work dressed in one of these: i.pinimg.com/originals/39/cd/c5/…

Heavy shakespearean accent is a must.

@NexTerren Because nothing says "I love you" like embarrassing her in front of everyone?

@AndyD273 *both of you, but yes!

@JohnLocke Well, we all do, right?

@Gryphon Oooh, that one's nice.

@AndyD273 . . . Yikes. Maybe I'll get lucky and explode as a supernova before that happens?

@HDE226868 Could get lucky, then spend eternity as a pretty nebula...

@HDE226868 When exploding as a supernova is the better possibility...

What exactly happens to a black hole that is orbiting a super massive star, and then that star becomes a supernova?

I can't image that "staying put" is one of the options

Seems more likely that it would become a Black Hole Bullet

Depends. It's certainly possible for the system to stay intact (after all, we've observed binary supermassive black holes), but it's also possible that asymmetry in the explosion would kick the other star out of the system.

I imagine the whole thing isn't all that pleasant for anyone in the general vicinity, no matter what happens to the black hole.

Maybe it depends on how close they are orbiting at the time of the nova?

@Hosch250 Ok fine. Their are legitimate excuses not to do so.

So I have an idea in my head about the black hole being host to a parasite civilization which orbits around a star for millenia, growing fat feeding off it's energy, then when the host star finally dies in a supernova the black hole is ejected from the system, and travels the interstellar wastes until finding a new star to parasitize, and thus keep the civilization alive until the heat death of the universe.

I guess they'd be star pirates

The true "Starkiller Base".

I was going to say "minus the giant planet destroying lasers", but I guess you could aim the xray pulse at a planet and at least sterilize it.

Gotta cook your food before you eat it

This version is much better than the original Starkiller Base. Star Wars VII was pretty bad.

Valentine day ads are soooo cheesy.

I mean, who wants to see pictures of naked women barely chopped off in time or guys kissing all day?

@James For some reason that won't let me watch it. Might be the school wifi.

There are a bunch of them, and they are hilarious...and they nail the more idiotic things done in movies.

@James No shortage of those for Force Awakens.

@James These are all amazing

It was SO HARD not to laugh at work

@NexTerren I know right.

I also recommend the wonder woman one.

Ooops.

@James Don't get the SO flowers, buy the WB flowers.

@Hosch250 Oh come on, now I'm curious!

Oh, I was just going to say I got an automated phone call from a credit card scammer, and told them they were a loser, and certain siblings thought it was funny and hoped they were recording my response.

It was rather stupid, really, but they keep calling.

I see, I see. I get about 4 spam calls a day. :(

You beat me!

I usually get a couple a week.

@NexTerren Ryan George (the guy who makes those) is pretty great.

Credit card scammers and hotels cold-calling, usually from the Hilton chain.

I have an IATA card because I work in the travel industry, and all these 3-5 star hotels are giving me complimentary stays.

Have you tried Jolly Roger Telephone?

No.

They are a service you can send spam calls to and a recording answers. jollyrogertelephone.com. they also put some of the calls on YouTube

I usually just use the call screen on my Pixel 3. Push the button and wait to see if the scammer hangs up or if it is one of those robo dialers, and then push the "report spam & block number" button.

@AndyD273 ^^ It's similar to our whomping willow question

hey there @Mithrandir24601