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12:15 AM
I think I have my conlang alphabet ready! Anyone wanna see?
 
 
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1:20 AM
Just got back from a short trip to Rhode Island (Hi, New Englanders!). Did I miss any interesting madness?
 
1:59 AM
Hi, @HDE226868!
 
2:12 AM
hey there @SamCoutteau
 
2:23 AM
When the sky turns black gray and white
It's a sign that They arrive
Towering titans of plight
And the Last Great Stronghold set alight
-----Triangulum Collective
 
3:20 AM
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Q: Is there any scientific multiverse theory that contains impossible worlds? (even if it is highly hypothetical)

bautzemanI found an article written by physicist George Ellis that confused me a little. http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.498.4569&rep=rep1&type=pdf At some part, he says: 3.2 Non-uniqueness: Possibilities There is non-uniqueness at both steps. Stating “all that is possible, ha...

illogical universe hmm...
 
 
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6:21 AM
@Shalvenay Hello!
 
7:17 AM
@HDE226868 Only the regular worldbuilding madness ;)
Good morning @SamCoutteau and welcome to the Factory Floor!
 
7:31 AM
@Secespitus , Good morning as well.
 
7:56 AM
Subject of the morning: what kind of crapsack situation/world cannot be made worse by adding zombies? As per this closed post
1) Awating certain doom. The solar flare is on its way; the world-killer asteroid is on short final; aliens are slowly sterilising the entire world... zombie at this point is a blatant "Meh, whatever... hand me the drugs and booze... might as well party while we can".
 
@MichaelK The scenario has to be survivable by humans. "Solar flare on its way" is not an acceptable answer to the question.
"Sterilising" is not an answer as well. If you ask me that's a pretty good constraint on the question.
 
Define "humans need to be able to survive any scenario you suggest". If all we have left in the end is Alice and Bob, standing on top of the cinder, that technically fulfills the criteria.
 
@MichaelK Also I think it's better to look at the question as "which situation can be made better with zombies", because the're a lot of situations where zombies wouldn't make any difference
 
It seems pretty clear to me that it means "humanity", as in lots of humans, and should be considered long-term for at least a couple dozen generations.
Having Alice and Bob be wiped out last and choosing this specific point in time to say "there were humans who survived until this second" seems like a weak workaround for the requirements put forth in the question and against the spirit of the question.
 
 
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11:25 AM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Questions

user53220I am still unsure if the following question is out of topic for worldbuilding : How could a medieval army defeat Sauron army? Sauron army was one of the most powerful of Middle Earth in the Second and Third ages. According to this SE question Sauron army consisted of 50000-75000 with mainly Or...

 
 
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1:08 PM
@Hosch250 Hey!
@Secespitus I figured. :-)
 
How are you doing, @HDE?
 
Hi!
 
@Gryphon Not bad! I finished my summer work last week - well, kinda, we're still doing stuff, just back at home - and am planning on enjoying these next 2.5 weeks before school starts again.
How goes it?
 
Pretty well. Still working, but I'll have the last week of summer before school off, so I'm looking forward to that.
 
Nice. I hope you have decent weather for it.
 
1:14 PM
I'm hoping so too. It's been kinda cloudy and bleh recently.
 
at least it's not unreasonably hot for 2 weeks
 
I'm working as a lifeguard at an outdoor pool, so unreasonably hot would be preferable. It's freezing to sit up in a chair while soaking wet.
 
@Gryphon Thanks. I'm still making some modifications to the code.
 
@HDE226868 Well, you've already got a +1 from this direction.
 
Well, my fictional characters are going to have to learn their
A/À/Á/Â/Ã/Ä/Å B C/Ç/Č's
 
1:21 PM
@FoxElemental Ouch.
 
Wanna see the current full alphabet?
 
@FoxElemental shudder
 
That looks like a cross between Spanish, French, German, and a few other languages.
 
@FoxElemental Oof. That looks tough.
 
A a À à Á á Â â Ã ã Ä ä Å å B b C c Ç ç Č č D d Ð ð E e È è É é Ê ê Ë ë F f G g H h I i Ì ì Í í Î î Ï ï J j K k L l Ł ł M m N n Ñ ñ O o Ò ò Ó ó Ô ô Õ õ Ö ö Ø ø P p Q q R r Ř ř S s Š š T t U u Ù ù Ú ú Û û Ü ü V v W w X x Y y Ý ý Ÿ ÿ Z z Ž ž
 
1:22 PM
@FoxElemental what have you done?
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Though the Ø might be replaced with Õe/eu
 
What'd you do? Get every English-looking letter?
With the little mark things attached, and all.
 
Yes!
 
Isn't there a term for that collection?
 
Why!?
 
1:23 PM
don't forget the §
 
Aigu, grave, circumflex, cedilla, caron, umlaut, tilde, stroke. eth
a-ring
Oh
Forgot the breve
 
@Secespitus OK, I got one. world wide flood of biblical proportions. Humanity is on giant fleets of floating cities. Pretty bad, but survivable. And the zombies are the Drowned. Annoying, but not too bad.
 
Just remember--people are (mostly) lazy. You are going to have to have literal grammar nazis to keep people speaking correctly.
 
The good lord help us all. Think of the children (literally, in this case. Especially the dyslexic ones)!
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@Hosch250 Hmmm . . . . homicidal angel maniacs work?
 
1:24 PM
@FoxElemental Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
 
@FoxElemental Oh, this is for the 27 sun world.
 
@FoxElemental No, because they'd just kill them anyway.
 
Lotsa pings
Aren't you glad I didn't go for the additional thirty characters I was planning?
 
@FoxElemental Pingishment for making that alphabet.
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sniff. I'd have thought for that I'd get some praise
 
1:25 PM
@FoxElemental Yes. Temporarily.
 
@FoxElemental Umm, it could be worse, then?
 
@Gryphon At least there aren't zombies.
 
@Gryphon exactly
 
@FoxElemental No offense, or anything, but I am not learning that language.
 
You could be having to read through an additional thirty letters
 
1:26 PM
FWIW, I don't think zombies would be any worse than drug lords.
 
@Gry But it makes up for it in verb simplicity and reading pronunciation!
 
At least there's open hunting on zombies, and they can't take you to court with lots of expensive lawyers if you kill them.
 
@AndyD273 That seems reasonable
 
And if you look around the inner city, the results of hard drugs is basically zombies anyway.
 
@FoxElemental I don't think I want to memorize the pronunciation for anything with close to that many letters.
 
1:29 PM
I must be getting close to the stars-by-10-people badge.
 
I noticed
Or to quote from the Tavern on the Meta (I love this one)
"OMG! IT'S FULL OF STARS [AND CHICKEN]"
 
@Hosch250 I dunno, most of those were me.
 
Unfortunately, I don't think there are 10 regular users here. Probably only 6-8 users so far.
Oh. Well, thanks :)
 
@Hosch250 It is possible to get the badge in this room alone. (supporting evidence: I have it).
 
@Gryphon Yep. I'll get it too. It just takes time for people to filter through.
Or for me to post something funny enough.
 
1:31 PM
@Hosch250 I'm still proud of getting 6 stars for my Liquid Science comment.
 
So nobody appreciates the research that went into building my alphabet?
 
@FoxElemental You should add ß
 
@FoxElemental I'm sure it was a lot of work, but that alphabet is kinda huge.
 
@Secespitus Ever the german.
@Gryphon But half of it is simply the lowercase versions!
 
@FoxElemental By "research" do you mean scrolling through Character Map and pulling out all the letters with accent marks?
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1:36 PM
Maybe you could add some circles under the letters for extra effect.
 
@Andy Actually no.
 
That would nearly double your alphabet :D
 
@FoxElemental Then you worked too hard
 
Looking at different languages and their alphabets, and then through different lists
@Secespitus Reaaly!? HOW!?
 
@FoxElemental so it's basically a Frankenstein alphabet
 
1:38 PM
@FoxElemental No one cares about how much work anyone does; they only ever care about the effects of that work. Sadly, that's the way of the world.
 
@FoxElemental Every letter gets another one - with another circle :D
 
@Fox if you start combining accents, you could get loads more characters.
 
But there's only so many letters and ways of pronouncing them before it becomes silly/easily replaceable
@Gryphon But how would you pronounce a r tilde caron umlaut ring?
 
@FoxElemental shrug (indicating the fact that I have no idea)
 
@FoxElemental you can have non-pronunciation accents used to convey extra meaning in written text.
 
1:42 PM
I mean, if I use the letter eth, then I can automatically speak like this (ðhen I can automatically speak like ðis)
 
@FoxElemental I prefer D.
 
(I mean, if I use ðe letter eð, ðen I can automatically speak like ðis)
 
Den I kin audomadikally spik licke dis.
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Since ð is pronounced as a "th"
 
Why do I get starred every time I type weird?
 
1:43 PM
Eye dunt now
What, no star?
 
you can't simply ask for stars
 
Making a joke about Hosch's comment
 
@SamCoutteau You technically can, but it doesn't typically work (although I've said: "Everything I post should be starred", and had it starred multiple times).
 
2:01 PM
"Grains," said the vegetarian zombie hoard. Farmer Bill aimed his shotgun. The alfalfalypse wasn't happening today.
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@AndyD273 Personally, if a zombie hoard shows up at my door, I'd sooner use some sort of flail on them.
You have to reload a shotgun.
 
@FoxElemental Here's a challenge for you. Anyone can create long lists of symbols. Create a system like this one: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3#Language
Specifically, "Unrelated to any other extant tongue, and based on just eight consonants and three vowels, Pirahã has one of the simplest sound systems known. Yet it possesses such a complex array of tones, stresses, and syllable lengths that its speakers can dispense with their vowels and consonants altogether and sing, hum, or whistle conversations."
Make a really simple symbol set then let the meaning emerge from there.
 
Then have characters have long, unintelligible conversations in that language.
Sure way to kill a story
 
@Hosch250 Same effect if characters have long unintelligible conversation in English.
@Hosch250 Absolutely agreed.
 
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Q: How curious is too curious?

AshThe fallout from Worse than zombies, part 1, has reminded me that I keep meaning to ask to what extent one can ask question about things they are curious about rather than issue they need answers to. As I'm writing this I've asked 44 questions on the main, of which only 15 are actually about anyt...

 
@Hosch250 Flails take a lot of skill to avoid bashing yourself in the head. Kinda like nunchucks. A FuBar seems like a decient melee weapon. Or mace. or an ax.
 
@AndyD273 Less if it's at the end of a long pole, so the ends can't reach you.
 
@MikeNichols I see you beat me to bountying your question. If you still don't like any of the answers you get when it's done, let me know and I'll add a bounty of my own.
 
Like a threshing flail, or something.
 
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Q: How to combat magic as science?

JavaScriptCoder Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.                     – Arthur C. Clarke Question There are two planets, A and B. A is a global state with little conflict, while B is a medieval warlord state with constant conflict. A has advanced technology, while ~0.1%...

 
2:28 PM
@Hosch250 I suppose, especially if the end is also weighted so it can act like a bludgeon all on it's own
 
And, bonus points for being able to make from household materials.
 
So, you lose one, just make another.
 
is this about worse than zombies?
that was a nice question
 
@JavaScriptCoder It's about the best way to turn zombies into fertilizer.
 
2:30 PM
@JavaScriptCoder It started with that question, yes
 
decomposed corpses would make good fertilizer....
 
@HDE226868 Will do, Ash gave a pretty good response though that brought up some interesting aspects of the system I hadn't been considering.
 
Also, hard to write a story in 150 characters, or whatever.
 
Yeah, I was just reading that.
 
I had to halve my last post in the story-go-round.
 
2:31 PM
well, I'd probably barricade the door to a lab and try to find out chemicals that work against reanimated decomposed corpsers
 
@JavaScriptCoder Fire would probably work.
Bonus points for the fire department being dysfunctional :)
 
right. Get fuel from my corn in Illinois.
I have a flamethrower thats partially functional
@Hosch250 eh, define probably. Percentage chance of failure?
 
@JavaScriptCoder 0, given enough fuel.
If you are in the city, with nothing but concrete, close to 100.
 
don't worry, there's probably more corn in illinois than there are people in the world
ethanol is reasonably simple to make from that, right?
 
You don't need ethanol.
You just need something that will keep the fire going long enough.
 
2:35 PM
hmm
 
Think burning at the stake.
 
in that case, I'd just raid the local gas stations for gasoline for my flamethrower
and use the copious amounts of corn we have to establish a perimeter
 
Also, in the city, there'd be unlimited amounts of concrete blocks you could rip off buildings to throw. You could practically just bury the things.
 
define 'strength'. I'm a chemist, not a bodybuilder. I don't think I could rip concrete blocks off buildings.
 
@JavaScriptCoder Get a sledge hammer from the local hardware store.
 
2:38 PM
Although there is some HCl sitting around in my cabinet
yeah
 
Or a piece of iron piping, or explosives.
Levers and pulleys are awesome for this kind of thing, too.
 
yeah, i mean if you mix nitric/sulfuric acid and glycerin, you get some
and everyone has those ingredients
 
You could drop the mother of all concrete bars from a sky scraper and blow a hole in the hoard.
 
ok lol zombie apocalypse is getting less scary in my mind now
 
And just be sure to set charges on the building to do 9/11 2.0 if they take over.
 
2:40 PM
you could drop a nuke. The city would be clear of zombies
 
And ropes to the next building so you could escape.
 
or thermobaric weaponry
 
Sure.
TBH, I'm not concerned about dead people. It's the live ones that worry me.
 
yeah
honestly, go to the nearest army base. I feel like they're more than ready for an apocalypse
whether zombie or nuclear
I honestly think that this should be our model for sending missions to potentially habitable exoplanets. Sure, they have a 99% chance of failure, but they also have the world's best scientists and engineers backed by a multibillionaire.
It's a nice idea, anyways
 
@JavaScriptCoder It's from models by Eric Mamajek and others, one of the more comprehensive grids I could find. I was surprised to find anything so detailed, especially given that it runs the gamut for main sequence spectral types.
 
2:49 PM
@JavaScriptCoder Oh my gosh.
Ground-based light beams?
 
@HDE226868 interesting. Humans have always turned their eyes to the stars and wondered if there was life out there.
 
Why not just use the flashlight that's bigger than the whole earth? The sun.
 
The Breakthrough Initiatives certainly do dream big.
 
Diffraction from the air would ruin the ground-based beam anyway, probably.
 
@Hosch250 basically they put a solar sail out and use focused lasers to accelerate the swarm to 20% of the speed of light. The sun isn't focused
 
2:51 PM
No, but it makes up for that by the enormous amount of output, no?
 
Astrochemistry is a young science, but one of the more interesting ones
 
@JavaScriptCoder We've probably had a few questions related to that . . . somewhere.
 
SpaceX stack?
 
Also, how will we prevent the light from Alpha Centuari from just slowing the thing down and stopping it?
 
space.stackexchange.com?
 
Also, we'll still need to use Alpha Centuari's light to come back either way.
 
Should probably at least look at the plan the experts put together
 
@JavaScriptCoder I was also thinking worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/search?q=lightsail.
 
They don't come back :)
they're expendable light sails that are sent to take flyby pictures
the light from alpha cen is going to be minimal at best
 
Oh, hmm.
I was thinking of a related mission concept I read about where they come back.
FWIW, we don't have the resources to beam the data back from a device that small, or to receive a signal that weak from that distance coming directly from the direction of a star, do we?
 
2:54 PM
no, the breakthrough initiative flies by, takes pictures, and aims the transmissions at earth in a unused frequency.
but earth is small from 4 ly away
thats why they use a swarm of 1,000
they think that one at least will be lucky enough to run the gauntlet
 
@JavaScriptCoder I thought that was for redundancy for when they go splat through the different asteroid belts out there?
 
@Hosch250 it is for redundancy. on several different levels
 
OK.
Well, good luck, but I don't see it happening in my lifetime.
Of course, most people didn't see planes coming in their lifetime either, when they did.
 
9 mins ago, by JavaScriptCoder
I honestly think that this should be our model for sending missions to potentially habitable exoplanets. Sure, they have a 99% chance of failure, but they also have the world's best scientists and engineers backed by a multibillionaire.
hence 99% chance of failure
 
@JavaScriptCoder Why does having the worlds best scientists and engineers backed by private funding that doesn't have to worry about politics and red tape make it more likely to fail?
 
3:30 PM
@AndyD273 no, it has reduced the chance of failure from 100% to 99% :)
Its just that such a mission requires several innovations
A) A material 10 times stronger than carbon nanofiber
B) A chip that can take pictures and transmit data, about the size of your SD card
C) Something that can help A) withstand impacts with space debris at 20% of the speed of light
 
3:53 PM
@JavaScriptCoder Ah, but if they are cheap to make, you could send 1000 of them.
 
Yeah... but carbon nanofiber doesn't come cheap :P
Who knows... Moore's law
 
@JavaScriptCoder Is dead.
 
@Hosch250 yes, it ends at a certain point
it's dying, but I wouldn't consider it dead yet
 
A) Carbon nanotubes are cheaper every year
B) Mesh network. You send one, and a bit later send another, and then another, and so on, so you essentially have a string of them in transit. And they just relay the signal back like a bucket chain. Keep them close enough together that if one gets taken out they can still transmit across the gap. Also, the antenna could be more carbon nanotube, very thin and light, but really long.
C) If space debris is ionized then maybe magnetics could do it...
 
ever the optimist
 
3:59 PM
Just look at the history of technology. Every time someone says something is impossible, it's a sure sign that we'll have them by the dozens in a decade or less.
 
@AndyD273 that's true
except this time half of NASA thinks its impossible
it'll take longer than a decade
 
I mean for some scientists somewhere in the world to figure out a cheap way to manufacture carbon nanotubes in bulk
@JavaScriptCoder So half of NASA thinks it's doable then ;)
 
that's an optimistic estimate
half of NASA thinks its impossible, other half thinks theres a very slim chance it will work
 
I generally am an optimist. Take Star Trek. A TV show from the 60's when the smallest computer would fill a room. Now a lot of the stuff they envisioned has actually been made, and people are working to make all of it a reality. Some stuff like teleportation and warp drive might not ever happen, but a surprising amount of it has. If something can capture enough peoples imaginations, they'll figure out a way to make it work eventually.
I think the important word in that conversation is "yet". We can't do it yet. We don't have the materials yet. We don't have the math yet.
But all it takes is one person to get lucky, or have a flash of brilliance, or just be standing in the right place under the right apple tree, and science leaps forward again.
 
Or it could all end in a nuclear war.
 
4:13 PM
That's not worth worrying about. Humanity could end 1000 ways, and if it does we won't be here any more so none of it will matter.
 
...That's a horrible mentality...
It doesn't matter because we won't be there...?
 
I read an article about some particle that they found in one of the nutrino detectors that they tracked back to some black hole 16 billion light years away, that came across all that space, and passed through an area a few hundred feet on a side. Now if that had been a stranglet, or a micro black hole, or whatever, then there might be no more earth. The best idea is to just plan like we'll be here forever, and of course do our best to make sure that it turns out that way within our ability.
 
@AngelPray sorry, I'm just a pessimist
there were all those things that didn't work
commercial fusion power, for example
gene therapy
space colonies
 
@AngelPray It's just not worth worrying about. If something like that happens, we won't be able to stop it, we wont even see it coming. So it's not worth worrying about.
 
although, being on worldbuilding has probably made me more of an optimist than before
because all these optimists surround me
 
4:24 PM
@AndyD273 Sure, I agree with you that it's not worth worrying about something we can't change, but that's not the same thing as it not mattering because we personally won't be present to witness humanity's doom.
 
@AndyD273 anyways for every thing that might make science leap forward there's also a thing that sets science back
the earth at the center of the universe
burning of the Library of Alexandria
WWII could have been
we are lucky to be living in an era of world peace
A time where scientists from all over the world can collaborate
 
Actually, WWII was pretty good for scientific progress...
Wars tend to be in general.
 
murder of tons of jewish scientists by the germans???
 
And the invention of plenty of new technology to advance the war effort.
 
Although it was also a blessing, because the survivors worked harder to ensure that Hitler didnt take over the world
Anyways, we have periods of time where science is allowed to flourish
But also times when science stagnates or even fails
 
4:30 PM
@JavaScriptCoder Yet. Fusion power is getting closer and closer all the time. Gene therapy is really really close with Crispr. And Elon Musk isn't going to stop until we have a colony on Mars.
 
Am I the only one who's not much of a fan of Elon Musk?
He's spewed so much nonsense science over the years...
 
@AngelPray I concur with you. He literally plagiarized Goddard at that conference in Guadalajara
 
@AngelPray Probably not. I'm indifferent. I think his heart is at least in the right place, and at least he's doing something, which is more than most people.
 
@AndyD273 But he's a literal billionaire.
 
@AngelPray So?
 
4:33 PM
Those are the plans. When we are in such an era of enlightenment, science inevitably develops. The only difference is the rate of increase. We thought Gene therapy was going to come ten years ago. We thought about Mars colonies even in the 80s. Fusion power even earlier.
 
I'm not going to take the "atleast he's doing more than most people" rhetoric.
Most people don't have the resources he does.
 
@AngelPray well, he's trying at least give him that.
And he definitely has b**ls of steel, saying what he does
 
@AngelPray Having more resources does give him more opportunities to do good, but look at all the people who had resources and didn't do good. And every person has, to one extent or another, opportunities to do good. The important bit is what you do with those opportunities.
Actually, there is a story about that
 
@AndyD273 But have one major world event disrupt that, one bad war, one thing that resources need to be more focused on, and then science slows or stops.
 
@JavaScriptCoder For a little while, maybe. But then it starts back up again if it's worth doing
 
4:37 PM
@AndyD273 yes, I simply disagree with your optimism on the rate of science progress.
 
Ash
Scientific progress is usually non-linear, you can't judge what intuitive leaps or accidental discoveries may suddenly appear.
 
@Ash you also can't judge what errors and adverse events may set it back
As I said before, I am of the opinion that science progresses erratically, but always regresses to the mean progress (no intuitive leaps or adverse events), whether that is linear or exponential. I don't want to rely on having unexpected breakthroughs in my predictions of when things will happen.
 
So a man calls three trusted employees in and tells them "Hey, I have a project for each of you. Here's some money. Go do something with it." He gives $1,000,000 to the first employee, $100,000 to the second employee, and $10,000 to the third, then sends them on their way. The first employee goes out and buys a bunch of property in an up and coming area, which greatly increases in value over the next year. The second employee buys some shipping containers and starts importing goods, which takes off. The third employee takes the money and puts it in a desk drawer.
 
Ash
@JavaScriptCoder Unexpected breakthroughs mean that you can't accurately predict when things will happen.
 
@Ash yes, but you can guess at the overall rate of science progress
 
4:51 PM
@JavaScriptCoder if you're just worried about what what bad things might happen, you'll never take the opportunities that do come your way
 
@AndyD273 Which is why I don't. I'm just conservative in my expectations
 
it's a sad place to live.
 
@AndyD273 where?
 
worry
 
I'm not worried
 
4:53 PM
Though I may have midread your comment
hold...
Right. my bad.
 
Having lower expectations for the world may mean that I don't reach my full potential, but better that than continually watching schedules being pushed back, launches being delayed, and earnings decreased.
@AngelPray hmm
but the question is not the resource count, it's how effectively they use them
 
I guess time will tell. Whenever I hear X is 10 years away I just smile and nod, and think "well, that would be nice." And once in a while I'm pleasantly surprised. And sometimes I'm happily surprised. But taken as a whole, things have been progressing faster and faster upward.
 
Ash
@JavaScriptCoder Only kind of, breakthroughs will upset such guesses.
 
@Ash and setbacks will too. Overall it regresses back to some math equation (Law of Large Numbers)
Given the current day, I hope the graph is exponential
 
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