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JavaScriptCoder

12:33 AM

Also, does anyone have a back-of-the-envelope estimate on this?

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Q: Determination of reasonable volcanic island height from area?

My islands (in the world I'm building) were formed from a volcanic hotspot. I want to build realistic islands, so I was wondering how tall volcanic islands are generally in relation to their area. Intuitively, there should be a rule, given that erosion of volcanic island mountains generally is ac...

science-based geography map-making

I would think there would be a relation that would be modelable

1:24 AM

@dot_Sp0T Okay, after looking a little closer, I would expect to see some kind of stream or small river running down the middle of the plain. There are mountains on either side of the plain that would funnel water downwards.

@JavaScriptCoder Are there any other islands chains you were curious about?

JavaScriptCoder

2:04 AM

@HDE226868 Fewer data points, but Azores and Canary Islands, please!

Apparently Canary Islands has stratovolcanoes, which might be different from shield types

And I’d rather have my story be based on those: Hawaii is too stereotypical

2:20 AM

@JavaScriptCoder I've checked the Canary Islands, and there's no clear correlation. I actually found $R^2=0.0375$ for the largest seven or so, which is terrible.

No idea about the Azores yet.

JavaScriptCoder

@HDE226868 yeah, I assumed they’d be irregular

3:01 AM

@JavaScriptCoder yeah, stratovolcanoes are vastly different from shield volcanoes re: the kinds of islands that pop out

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7:59 AM

@James That sounds awesome!

8:12 AM

@Green ah yeah didn't do water yet

8:27 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Questions

What would be the pros and cons of a merged military and police? In the world I am building war is an ongoing issue, and so the culture's military is quite extensive. Honor is a major part of life, meaning you can't attack someone who is unarmed, can't attack them if they are unable to defend...

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10:27 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Questions

In modern day, what would be a good reason to sing during a battle? Cicad the singer is having a downtime in his career. Over the millennia, Cicad sang anywhere from royal courts to farmers' cottages and have been rewarded with many, many hand-claps. But to keep going, indeed to preserve his im...

2 hours later…

12:11 PM

Hello, I'm new to this site. I already posted a question in the sandbox, is it ok if I also post the link here?

well, both are made for discussion. some use both

as long as you don't spam us and keep asking us stuff even if we don't want to discuss, i would say it's ok

but good thing to ask it on sandbox first

just so you know, as you can see, feeds already post new sandbox questions, but you can still give the link and ask us our opinion on a particular thing

12:35 PM

@pregunton Welcome to the site! Sure, as long as you don't spam the chat it's perfectly fine to post a link to the draft here ;) (I saw your question in the Sandbox, but sadly I didn't really understand it, otherwise I would have given you some feedback)

yup, too much mathematics/physics. The question by itself is interesting, but a little bit too hard-science for me to apreciate ir

Thank you @Kepotx @Secespitus My main worry is precisely that I made the question too detailed. Is that level of detail acceptable in general?

For hard-science this level of detail is perfectly fine. It's a hard requirement and we expect answers to be based on scientific papers/give equations/... The same level of scientific rigor is also expected from the person asking the question.

That's good to hear, thanks!

in worldbuilding, we've got three diferent tags: realit-check (is it realistic in MY universe, so magic is ok), science-based (is it realistic in OUR world, no magic or pseudo-science), and hard-science, with equation and citations as in your question

12:43 PM

Right now there don't seem to be many hard-science people online here in chat. If you don't get a lot of feedback it might also be a good idea to post a link to your draft in The Laboratory, which I understand to be our hard-science chatroom.

so it's the exact amount of detail we need for such tag, and answer will be similar

maybe the question by itself is off-topic in mathematic.SE, but equations can still be discussed on chat i think

in lot of SE network, chat accept more broad topics than main website

I'd keep the background. It might be good for such a detailed question and if they are still with you after the summary they will like to see what you have in mind with this system.

@Kepoth @Secespitus thanks for the help, I'll keep it in mind!

It's also structured very well so everyone can easily see whether they want to read the "background" part or go straight ahead to the "detail" part.

Thanks. Btw, is the title good for the question? I find a bit childish, but maybe it's just me

12:55 PM

I think it's very catchy, which is a good thing to attract answerers. I don't see anything childish there.

@pregunton childish? I don't think. it go straight to the point, that's all you need

I see, thanks. Sometimes it's difficult to gauge these things from a non-native speaker perspective

I'm also not a native speaker, so I don't know if I'm the best person to evaluate wording

I am not a native speaker, so if you need feedback from one you would have to wait a bit.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Questions

Would planets be cubic in my "cuboverse"? hard-science alien-geometry physics nonspherical-worlds Summary The main idea behind the "cuboverse" is that spacetime distances are measured by (something close to) the sup norm or infinity norm. Under this norm, spheres (the set of points at a fixed ...

even as lot of people are not native speaker, it's good to know how non-native speaker understand it

12:57 PM

yeah, I agree

^^ For everyone interested in what we are talking about right now I've posted a link to the draft.

Sorry, forgot to post it myself

insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018/#developer-profile

don't know if it's the same on other SE network, but lot of people come from latino america, europe, russia, so in fact a big part of comunity is not english native-speaker

You don't say?^^

I'm a native speaker of english, and all that looks good. I'm not a native speaker of math, so maybe @HDE226868 or one of the others can double check that bit.

1:04 PM

@Kepotx how many people participating on this chat right now do you think are native speakers?

Of the 5 currently active, maybe just me?

@dot_Sp0T Two.

I'm a native speaker too.

I'd say 3

But I hadn't been active when that question was asked :)

1:08 PM

but I'm never sure about bellerophon tbh

FWIW, y'all get too caught up on the "native speaker" thing. Y'all are better English writers than most natives.

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@dot_Sp0T I am a native speaker.

so 3

I win

ah dang, Ash just joined

@dot_Sp0T Well, you have to draw the finish line somewhere

so it's 4 now I'd say

Andy, Ash, Bellerophon & Hosch250

1:12 PM

FWIW, it's early-ish here. 8:15 AM.

Rory is from the UK I believe

If I remember the legends correctly

(well, I'm off to do some drawing again; wanna finish the map updates so I can start pushing the spin-offs and work on the next stage of the series)

iirc either James or Green is from the myth-enshrouded county of Emerald Baseball

@dot_Sp0T They both are from the US

@AndyD273 but only one was from MA, right?

Yeah, Green

1:17 PM

@Hosch250 Same here.

@dot_Sp0T Yes I'm a native Anglophone, that's why my English is noticeably worse than that of those who've learned it as a second or third language. It's only as good as it is due to a combination of higher education and spellchecking software.

@dot_Sp0T James is not from MA.

@Green then it was you

@dot_Sp0T What am I guilty of?

Everything

1:29 PM

or what does someone assert I'm guilty of?

Also I think we share a first name

@dot_Sp0T Hey, check it out! I'm the god of this world!

@dot_Sp0T Your first name starts with a J?

@Green no

I said 'might'

Let me the name on your map and I'll be able to tell you.

@Green I don't get that phrase

1:39 PM

@dot_Sp0T You put your name on the map you've been sharing. "Copyright [name I can't remember]"

@Green I think a verb is missing

Also, I can't type this morning so that wasn't a real sentence.

:D

knew it

@Green In the upper left hand corner you can see his name.

@Secespitus That's where I'm looking.

1:43 PM

plot-twist

@dot_Sp0T Your first name is similar to my last name but they are not the same.

That was it

Does Swiss use non-latin letters? That first letter looks greek or russian.

My handwriting is just really bad... Thanks

@Kepotx Modified the draft. Could you skim it again and tell me if I should clarify anything or add anything?

1:51 PM

@dot_Sp0T Is my English that bad?

@Bellerophon huh?

I'm pretty sure it's the greek letter ψ (psi), It's not a Y, its not a T... If it's a M then we might share a name too

It's an M for chrissake

@dot_Sp0T You said you couldn't be sure if I was a native speaker or not. I just wondered if it was because my English was really bad.

@Bellerophon no, ithink I'm messing you up with BESW

1:54 PM

@dot_Sp0T Yup, then I think we share a name. I'm pretty sure if I turn my head and squint a little it looks right.

Oh I see it

Upper left hand corner, yes?

Talking about M's, it would be interesting to go through life named "Muahaha"

After the "Concept Ringstadt 2017-2018"

Michael

Sdodio?

Sdodie?

Or is that first "d" a "cl"?

Please stop

1:57 PM

Sorry

I'm infamous for my inability to read handwriting.

@FoxElemental the question is better, but I'm afraid that what Raditz_35 says is true: it seem like you list all possible reason to adopt a language (easyer to speak, cultural/technologival importance, big influence) and say "no, it's not his case"

Sooo

@Hosch250 And ironic, since that's the sound you'd make as you murder your parents for giving you such a stupid name...

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Is there any fix for that?

Or was it just a bad premise to start with?

2:01 PM

I don't really know... I don't have historical example that suit your situation, but that doesn't mean there is no answer

Naming your child is the first big test of parenthood... it's sad how many parents fail it.

Her daughter is named Help I'm trapped in a driver's license factory.

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@AndyD273 Perhaps because modern parents have too many choices?

I'm going to go with tried and true Beatrix Potter names.

Anna Maria and Timmy Willy.

sorry, I slipped. Another xkcd reference.

2:03 PM

@Green Too much pressure to try to be unique.

Baby name books are full of tens of thousands of names. Utah parents makes that number even larger by chosing completely stupid spellings for normal names.

@Green So your child is named Magrat instead of Margaret

(Terry Pratchett reference)

@FoxElemental Something like that, yeah.

Although, I also like the names Fyre and Yc. :P

@FoxElemental none of the exemple suit your premise, but still interesting history.stackexchange.com/questions/522/…

2:06 PM

@Kepotx "Little Bobby Tables?"

@Kepotx Thanks

Read an article once about advice for naming your kid. It had a story about an expectant couple that wanted to use some unique, weird name for their kid. So a friend advised them to go out on their front porch at sunset and yell the name as loud as they could 4 or 5 times and see if it still sounded good. They ended up going with something easier and more common.

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@AndyD273 In other words, don't name your kid Samuel Whiskers?

Or Johnny Townmouse?

@Hosch250 Eh, I'd drop the middle names, but otherwise those are fine.

Yeah, they make OK last names, though.

@AndyD273 That was the example I always did for myself when testing kid's names. Also, yell the name in its entirety, middle name(s) included!

If it sounds dumb, don't do it.

2:15 PM

@AndyD273 The same way as "Bite him!" is not a good name for your dog. Last day, he escaped from his leash and I had to call him back. Gosh, would you see the face of this poor kid...

@AndyD273 However, this doesn't solve the Utah problem of spelling the name completely stupid.

Katelyn becomes "Chaytehlyn". barfing sounds

@Green do they spell things oddly?

Adelbrecht

Mechthild

@Green I never knew that utah had a big welsh population...

@Kepotx Just do a search for "utah name spellings". Your eyes will pop out of your head.

@AndyD273 I didn't think so either but apparently....

2:17 PM

@Green Actually, they kind of do.

Read a Dickens sketch once.

@Hosch250 I knew they had a big English/Scandinavian population but not Welsh.

The Mormons recruited a lot of the Welsh.

But they said the Scottish were too warlike for them, so they kind of stopped trying to convert them.

A favorite book has a character named Myfanwy, which rhymes with Tiffany.

@Hosch250 BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!! Damn, the Scots are awesome!

@AndyD273 Good thing you said what it rhymed with.

I thought it was pronounced like "my fanny".

2:19 PM

@Hosch250 That's hilarious since the Welsh are such bad asses that a king built a huge wall to keep them in.

I know.

It seems they got domesticated, though :(

Interestingly enough, when you study the origin of the songs of the civil war, the South had a bunch of Scottish songs, and the North had a bunch of English and Irish.

US civil war, that is.

Ah Welsh, the only language that can be written with the Latin alphabet in which A, E, I, O, and U don't get used as vowels.

There's not a clean split, and both sides had a lot of overlap too.

@Ash vowels? do welsh even know the concept of vowels?

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch () est un village de l'île d'Anglesey au pays de Galles (Royaume-Uni). Avec ses 58 caractères et 51 lettres (le ch et le ll ne comptent chacun que pour une seule lettre en alphabet gallois), ce nom de ville est le plus long d'Europe. == Toponymie == Le gallois Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch, également transcrit Llan-vire-pooll-guin-gill-go-ger-u-queern-drob-ooll-landus-ilio-gogo-goch, qui indique sa prononciation correcte en anglais, et dont la traduction littérale en anglais est « The...

@Kepotx Of course, Y, H and L are the most common Welsh vowels, LL is not a vowel though. I've forgotten one, W maybe?

2:24 PM

yup, "Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch" is a totally legit town name

Llanfairpwllgwyngyll

Llanfairpwllgwyngyll or Llanfair Pwllgwyngyll (pronounced [ɬanˌvair puɬˈɡwɨ̞nɡɨ̞ɬ]) is a large village and unincorporated community on the island of Anglesey in Wales, on the Menai Strait next to the Britannia Bridge and across the strait from Bangor. The name has been alternately shortened (Llanfairpwll) and lengthened (Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch), and is also known as Llanfair PG. At the 2001 census, the population of the community was 3,040, 76% of whom spoke the Welsh language (Cymraeg) fluently; the highest percentage of speakers were in the 10–14 age...

@Hosch250 That's unfortunate.

Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu

Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu is a hill near Porangahau, south of Waipukurau in southern Hawke's Bay, New Zealand. The height of the hill is 305 metres (1,001 ft). The hill is notable primarily for its unusually long name, which is of Māori origin; it is often shortened to Taumata for brevity. It has gained a measure of fame as it is the longest place name found in any English-speaking country, and the second-longest place name in the world, according to Wises New Zealand Guide and The New Zealand Herald. The name of the hill (with 85...

List of short place names

This is a list of short placenames with one or two letters. == One-letter place names == A, a former village in Kami-Amakusa city, Kumamoto, Japan Å, a village in Andøy municipality, Nordland, Norway. Å is Danish, Norwegian and Swedish for "brook" or "small river". Å, a village in Moskenes municipality, Nordland, Norway Å, a village in Meldal municipality, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway Å, a village in Åfjord municipality, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway Å, a village in Ibestad municipality, Troms, Norway Å, a village in Lavangen municipality, Troms, Norway Å, a village in Tranøy municipality, Troms, Norway Å, a...

Bangkok (UK: , US: ) is the capital and most populous city of Thailand. It is known in Thai as Krung Thep Maha Nakhon (กรุงเทพมหานคร, pronounced [krūŋ tʰêːp mahǎː nákʰɔ̄ːn] ( listen)) or simply Krung Thep ( listen ). The city occupies 1,568.7 square kilometres (605.7 sq mi) in the Chao Phraya River delta in Central Thailand, and has a population of over 8 million, or 12.6 percent of the country's population. Over 14 million people (22.2 percent) lived within the surrounding Bangkok Metropolitan Region at the 2010 census, making Bangkok an extreme primate city, significantly dwarfing Thailand...

"Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Yuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Piman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit", AKA Bangkok. I think i will keep saying "Bangkok"

Morning weirdos

I traveled back in time last night.

2:28 PM

@James Bring me anything cool?

so was it really "last night"?

The 90's were a lot stranger than I remember.

@James how so?

@Green Saw the Smashing Pumpkins in concert...

@James Oh. Hah! Yeah, that would do it.

2:30 PM

Forgot just how strange they were...but then I started remembering other 90s bands and realized that may have just been a thing...

I think they played their entire catalog, they were on-stage for over 3 hours.

Honestly I kinda wanted to take a nap at one point.

@James That's a kind of fan service I can skip.

So, if the internet goes out at work, does that mean I can go home early?

Don't get me wrong it was good, and while I was never a huge fan it was fun to hear some of the old songs I knew from the radio.

@Green It at least means take a really long lunch...just explain that you need to find some WiFi to get some work done.

@Green Maybe?

Does work have a generator?

@Hosch250 I work in a huge office building. There are generators but it's the internet that is slow, not a brown-out.

Oh.

Loss of internet is almost synonymous with loss of power at my work.

2:34 PM

@Green What's the difference between a blackout and a brown out?

Journeyman Geek

If memory serves, blackout is no power. brownout is power fluctuations causing things to go out

@Ash Blackout is total power failure. Brownout is a lower than usual voltage.

@Ash Blackout = no power at all. Brownout = Very low power

@Ash One's darker coloured.

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@James I just say that I need to go for a walk and no one says anything about it.

For electrical components, brownouts can be just as damaging as a blackout.

2:38 PM

@Green @AndyD273 Thanks, we have occasional, usually very localised, blackouts but to my knowledge we don't every have brownouts, I've certainly never heard the term used to describe a power failure here.

@Green isn't that even more damaging? i mean, one hour of blackout and your component is shut down only once. One hour of fluctuation and your component is shut down/have slow power several times

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@dot_Sp0T My map-making question is up: worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/122461/…

@James I had a moment of that at work yesterday going over something with a coworker.

Unfortunately, we didn't try that.

@Kepotx You're probably right. I just know that both are really bad.

2:49 PM

Hi, @AngelPray!

@Hosch250 Oh, hey.

Did you figure out your cities conundrum?

Cities?

@HDE226868 willco

With A having C and B wanting it.

2:52 PM

Oh well that was more than a city.

My territory problem.

Yeah, it's pretty much solved.

Cool.

how did you solve it?

Also, I've been at work on the map some more; started fixing the streams and river with recommendations and working on actual widths (river has desired width now, as far as I understand some ~20-ish meters should be right for that kind of river;; streams will get wider at the joints once I'm done with all of the map, current stream status: upper third, nothing along the cliff)

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@AndyD273 I'm taking a look.

@HDE226868 I didn't know one could pack so many words and concepts that I do not understand that tightly. I've upvoted because it looks solid,but I can't even attempt to start making head or feet out of it - GG

3:02 PM

@dot_Sp0T I like it. I do notice that there are a lot of streams up on the north bit, maybe more than I'd expect. But then again, I know very little on the subject.

@dot_Sp0T :( Poor writing on my part, then.

It's good. I understand it.

@HDE226868 It makes sense to me.

I don't know all the implications of it, but it seems sound.

OTOH, can't they find Andromeda just by looking out the window? :P

It's certainly big enough...

@dot_Sp0T If you have those southern outcrops in Limestone, or some form of Karst, you don't have to run surface streams at all.

@HDE226868 no, I am just really bad with science... :(

@Ash aka rain water sinking into the ground? I should have thought about that

3:08 PM

@HDE226868 That looks very similar to northern MN.

Streams everywhere, and lots of bogs.

@Hosch250 Yeah, they could - I mentioned that by measuring angular size, they could get a first approximation of distance. But that would only be a couple measurements; ideally, they'd have a whole bunch more data points.

OTOH, if you don't want bogs, there'll probably be fewer streams.

@Hosch250 where mostly?

@Hosch250 Then I retract my point. :-)

Kind of between the streams and generally everywhere.

The streams can flow into a bog on one side and flow out the other side.

3:09 PM

(I gotta admit most of my geography knowledge is from looking at maps of the region I live in, because I can relate to the features)

Could just be a long-standing stagnant puddle of water.

The water table is super high in northern MN and much of WI.

okay I'm missing out right now. Think language/culture barrier. I have gotten a bog marked that I would like, will my configuration of streams produce more bogs in the north..?

@dot_Sp0T Yup that's the one, and it gives you an important resource, lime is important for farming many soil types and for building multi-story building.

@dot_Sp0T No.

It won't "produce" them per se.

They will both be a side effect of a continually high water table.

assuming this map depicts streams that regularily carry water, would there be more bogs or similar than what I currently have? and where? (in your understanding) :)

3:14 PM

@dot_Sp0T Your stream patterns are very naturalistic and there's no blocked drainage anywhere that would create a "perched" watertable which is necessary for highland bogs, except where you've already identified a basin formation that will trap water.

@Ash you've recently been active on the sandbox; I think I've gotten a question on geology there - do you think the current hydrology north of the plain (there will be streams along the ledge/cliff, just need to add them) can provide building rock/stone ?

Hmm, considering this is a highland, go with Ash. Didn't pay attention to the elevation.

@Hosch250 aaaah, good :D

I still need to place the Greene Springs in the southern mountains/highlands - they'll be hot springs, minerals and such; and they'll need a smallish hot pond/lakelet -> any favourites? (I know I am shifting responsibilities upon you folks, and I accept it if you do not wish me to, but so far I've gotten amazing feedbacks and ideas, so I'm riding that horse as long as it happens to move)

Dang it, I just lost 8 rep due to a user being removed :(

@dot_Sp0T Got volcanic activity up there?

3:21 PM

@Gryphon something I didn't believe at first when being told, but eventually proved right: once you get a solid number of questions and answers, you will have slight rep fluctuations that even themselves out

@Hosch250 not really, was going for an underground spring, water being pushed down to deeper strata and moving up again

Proved that myself on CR.

@dot_Sp0T Wouldn't that just be a cold spring about about 55 degrees F?

To really get a hot spring, I think you need tectonic activity.

@Hosch250 I'm pretty positive I can get them hotter?

I think ground temperature is about 55-60 degrees F. I could well be remembering wrong.

@dot_Sp0T Building material in the north, organic sourced deposits (coal & limestone) in the south. If the northern hills are remnants carved by a [geologically] recent regional glaciation then all the softer rocks, and sediments, will have been scraped off and deposited on the plains and at the far end of that lower lake as a terminal moraine.

> The annual temperature variation of the ground at a depth of 3m is between 15 to 25°C while at a depth of 25m is negligible and the temperature remains constant at about 22°C.

(PDF) Annual ground temperature measurements at.... Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/30500353_Annual_ground_temperature_measurements_at_various_depths [accessed Aug 21 2018].

OK, you can get it to about 72 degrees F.

3:25 PM

@dot_Sp0T You can. If the water comes from deep enough it can be hot without volcanism:

A hot spring is a spring produced by the emergence of geothermally heated groundwater that rises from the Earth's crust. While some of these springs contain water that is a safe temperature for bathing, others are so hot that immersion can result in injury or death. == Definitions == There is no universally accepted definition of a hot spring. For example, one can find the phrase hot spring defined as any geothermal spring a spring with water temperatures above its surroundings a natural spring with water temperature above human body temperature – which is normally between 36.5 and 37.5 °C ...

"If water percolates deeply enough into the crust, it will be heated as it comes into contact with hot rocks. The water from hot springs in non-volcanic areas is heated in this manner."

There's 46deg C hot water in some hot springs somewhat near where I live and there's def no volcanoes here

In volcanic areas, the water can get get heated to boiling, potentially causing burns/death.

@dot_Sp0T The southern hills will still have their cap of softer materials through which water moves vertically, picking up calcite from the limestone, possibly sulfur from coal measures, those soft rocks overly buried gneiss, pegmatites, and granites (which the northern hills are purely composed of, and which are good building materials), those granites will lend you a lot of heat for ground water if you want it too.

There's thermal springs in Baden, Zurich but sadly the article is German only

OK, I really need to shut up :)

3:28 PM

@Ash So I will still have streams from the southern mountains, but only maybe 2-3 and farther apart than the ones in the north (which are every few 100 meters really) ?

But otherwise @Hos is right, the average ground temperature near the surface is a pretty constant 55-60F. You have to go deep before it gets warmer.

@Hosch250 nooooooooo; this is a learning exercise and right now we are learning from each other!

FWIW, my information came from a coworker of my dad's.

He installed one of those "water heating" piping systems that goes deep into the ground.

They are amazing

He said it stays a constant temperature around the year, and it doesn't really get that hot.

It cost a fortune for him to put in.

3:33 PM

My brother in law has one of those, except it goes horizontal instead of vertical I believe

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@AndyD273 It has to go to a certain depth, or it'll freeze, no?

@Hosch250 Yeah, it's below the frost line, but that's only a little way down

OK.

@dot_Sp0T A spring line is the usual thing, the water reaches a certain level where the rocks change, in the case of rising hot water an impermeable "cap" layer forces the water to move laterally until it can get out at a rock face and you'll get a series of springs along that face all at the same strata, not necessarily the same height. With a thick layer of glacial clay over most of the plains you could push rising hot water out to wherever you wanted it really.

@Ash so I could have a series of springs along the mountain in the south, yet streams collecting precipitation further above again?

3:37 PM

WHere I live the frostline is only 42 inches down (106 cm)

@AndyD273 Where do you live?

@dot_Sp0T The rainwater in those hills is going to go down into the rocks rather than flowing very far across the surface, think a landscape like this upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Burren_karst.jpg. That water will then come out as (hot)springs along the base of the hills that will flow out across the plains area and off towards the western lake with the natural surface gradient.

ewww that's not nice looking :/

@dot_Sp0T Yes it is.

@dot_Sp0T That's what happens when rainwater travels straight down into the rocks, soil can't get enough water to develop.

3:43 PM

Can't I have water coming from further up the mountain like normal streams? and the hot springs pushing up at the foot of the mountain?

like the water for the hot-springs not really being from that place even, rather really far away

(really far as in a few 100kms; not like america really far)

So they just dug a long trench to lay the pipe. Plus I think it has added antifreeze to act as a heat transfer aid

@Gryphon Michigan

Oh, hmm, it might only be 20 inches here specifically, but building codes require 42 inches for house footings, just in case. And sometimes the frost can go a little deeper.

@HDE Because I've shifted the purpose of this draft to asking about real-world examples, I wanted to ask you if there is a tag similar to the hard-science tag (requires citations) but for history instead? Or should I just use [history] by itself and mention that I want citations?

3:58 PM

@FoxElemental I'm not aware of any such tag, unfortunately.

@FoxElemental I thought of an answer for that :p

Because BC's language was designed by Fox and LC's language is the easy-to-speak gutter version of it that gradually takes hold :P

Oh wait, you blocked that version too.

@dot_Sp0T Yes, the geology is a bit more complex. Granite for heat, then a Clast Supported, Uncemented Conglomerate to act as an aquifer, a Shale to cap that aquifer the spring line will be where the Shale meets the surface. Limestone over the Shale, Coal measures on top of that and a cap of fireclay to insure impermeability.

That will give you normal surface runoff except for where/if you decide you want some big deep sinkholes down into the Limestone and a hot-spring system feed from wherever the Conglomerate is the surface layer which can theoretically be many miles away, refer to the Ogallala Aquifer for possible distances.

A second shallower spring system with water, local or otherwise, coming out of the Limestone with caves etc... can also be there without disrupting overland drainage more than you want to as well.

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6:52 PM

Yo how are these curtains called made of shells and or other small bits forming single stripes/ropes

@dot_Sp0T Beaded curtain?

@dot_Sp0T Ok...I have to ask why you are wondering about beaded curtains.

@dot_Sp0T I'm also wondering why you are wondering about beaded curtains.

Planning out the new dnd cave. Rented an area inside an old industry hall with friends

Were discussing about one made of dice

Now i know the english term i can google for shops that sell them

7:08 PM

I dare anyone to give me a random list of words and have me Vanfoulinize them until they are not only unrecognizable but also unpronouncable.

E.g, Dog becomes Ðo̧g, (pronounced: Thoig)

@FoxElemental I dare you to give me the function you use to translate from English to Vanfoulinize then I'll take up your dare.

@Green I simply substitute whatever letters with whatever diacritics that I can and then check my rules of pronounciation.

But

The meaning isn't always the same

E.g, Gląs̥š (Pronounced "glomsosh") doesn't mean glass, it means "paper"

So an lower case 'o' can show up as any of the 'o' with diacritic letters?

I use that for word gen: take an english/spanish word and then vanfoulinize it and then come up with a meaning

@Green Yes.

Which means some letters can't be replaced.

But if there is a sound that is represented by a single character (th in think is the d with stroke)

then I represent it as such

So Image=Ímⱥ

with the a with stroke pronounced as "age/adge"

So . . . random word?

crickets

7:16 PM

@FoxElemental Enthalpy.

Ajnatorix Zersolar

@FoxElemental worldbuilding

Jus a mo'

Just a month?

@FoxElemental you haven't delivered on the lyrics yet!

@Hosch Çřìçkëtš Ç ř ì ç k ë t š (s rrzh iskeetsh)

7:20 PM

I'm not going to try to say that. What does it mean?

@Hosch You tell me

@FoxElemental That looks like Czech.

@FoxElemental It means "sneeze", I guess...

@Bellerophon Èñtħâłᵽẙ È ñ t ħ â ł ᵽ ẙ (Enye theah aw pehyew)

@dot_Sp0T You know what may be cheaper...grab some cord/wire and a piece of wood, then buy dice en-masse via Wish and just drill and string them.

7:28 PM

And then finally

@Ajnatorix: W̊ o̊ r̥ ł ð ß ú ï ł ð í ñ g (Weh-oh-rowth-sue-eeew-thinyeg)

Ajnatorix Zersolar

@FoxElemental :D

IK,R?

Other ones include Šèşqu̧îpéðalian, which I modified from "Sesquipedalian," ironically "lover of long words," although in Vanfoulinic it means "falling"

I feel sorry for the Vanfowlers.

@Hosch Vanfoulinic, not "fowlers"

I think this language should be confiscated by the FBI as a threat to humanity.

And used for torture on the residents of Guantanamo.

7:35 PM

But

You know

Müⱥħⱥħⱥħⱥħⱥ (Moo adge huh adge huh adge huh . . .)

7:55 PM

@James yeeeah, but that means work; I earn a certain amount of cash per hour of work at my job; and if I would earn more money working regularly instead of doing something myself, I will buy it instead

@Ash so I win/win ?

@dot_Sp0T Think of the cool patterns you could make though...plus you could use threaded steel cables and knot them in between.

@James was thinking about beading up bad dice first

Get the rest to roll better by showing them what happens to bad dice

8:14 PM

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9:00 PM

Of all the art I've gotten from my kids, this one is my favorite:

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@AndyD273 That's some high quality kid art.

9:34 PM

@AndyD273 @Green Check this out.

Nevermind...the picture won't upload...Ill try it from home.

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11:15 PM

@James Yup, she loves painting and art

@James womp womp.

11:49 PM

hey there @HDE226868

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