The Factory Floor

Green

12:09 AM

@Amoeba you want the entire skin transparent or just some of it transparent?

There are frogs in Costa Rica that have transparent bellies so you can see their little hearts pumping.

Amoeba

12:53 AM

@Green all

Green

@Amoeba Then you've got to find land animals that live deep in caves and have lived there for a really long time. So long that their bodies have optimized away from making skin pigment as it's an expense they don't need to pay.

I don't know of an exact example but that's where you'd find them.

Amoeba

okay so how would one do in the light?

Green

11:22 AM

@Amoeba one wouldn't in the light. The fact that you are having such a hard time finding examples in real life indicates the extreme disadvantage skin transparency carries.

Green

11:49 AM

@Amoeba look at this way. Old things are resilient. They may be inefficient too but definitely resilient. New things, eh, they may be resilient but only time will tell.

Everything you see that is alive today is exceptionally old and therefore pretty resilient in its environment. Granted, this doesn't show what's absolutely possible but gives a really good idea of what does work.

Green

12:58 PM

@Shalvenay Hey!

Anonymous

2:41 PM

Just posted my question: How To Make An Earth With 27 Suns Work

Thanks to Green and Secespitus for your help in the Sandbox

Green

2:52 PM

@Anonymous You're welcome. There's still some extra paragraphs in your question that distract from the question.

Good luck with your question.

Anonymous

3:38 PM

Its, uh, a little rough

Upvotes, downvotes

Edits

Warnings

And . . . "it's not possible."

AndyD273

4:03 PM

@Anonymous Why 27?

And, does the system have to be naturally formed? I'm curious if there is a way to get something like you want, while avoiding the whole "impossible" bit.

AndyD273

4:20 PM

Like, potentially having stars that aren't stars. Very small space based fusion reactors that work like stars, without all the annoying mass.

I guess I mean does it have to be 27 actual stars, or just the appearance of being 27 stars.

Anonymous

5:37 PM

As for the "Why 27," That's a long story

short, I just found that the ideal number for my secret purposes

and yes

naturally formed, but: stars form incredibly fast in this "plane" and live much, much longer

AndyD273

6:03 PM

@Anonymous regarding the light plane, heavy and lite light, and other things, I wonder if it makes sense to ditch most of normal physics regarding the rules of stars. Unfortunately "what laws of physics do I need to ignore to allow for this to work?" probably isn't a better question. You could just create a new kind of star "lite" with way less mass than a normal star. Or you could use some whiteholes with negative mass that push normal mass away.

White hole

In general relativity, a white hole is a hypothetical region of spacetime which cannot be entered from the outside, although matter and light can escape from it. In this sense, it is the reverse of a black hole, which can only be entered from the outside and from which matter and light cannot escape. White holes appear in the theory of eternal black holes. In addition to a black hole region in the future, such a solution of the Einstein field equations has a white hole region in its past. However, this region does not exist for black holes that have formed through gravitational collapse, nor are...

Secret

6:25 PM

Attempt 1 at an ontology of a WIP

Definitions:

Unknowable: Cannot be determined in principle

Unknown unknown: Cannot be determined in advance

Mysteries: Unexplained phenomenon in the magical and magitech world. Highly unpredictable and little is known

Magic: Phenomenon that has not or cannot be probed by the scientific method. The former becomes physics once it is understood

Logic: A system of inference rules

Anonymous

I'm re-writing a more accepting, comprehensive version for once the new Sandbox is posted. Stay tunedQ

*tuned!

Green

6:44 PM

@Anonymous Good luck in your drafting!

Secret

Mathematics: Study of formal objects and rules, whose properties and truth value can be unambiguously determined

Metaphysics: Study of the rules of the fundamental nature of reality

Reality: Collection of all that exists under a given ontology

Green

@Secret So reality depends on an ontology?

Secret

(in practice, we often like to use that to refer to our universe, plus things like mind etc.)
Well, different philosophy schools have different definitions for reality, but it is often tied to the notion of Being, which is defined to be things that are considered to be exist under an ontology

Fantasy: All that is impossible in our universe, or for a more general scope, impossible ever (except maybe as a concept for ontologies that accept them as exist)

Unknown: Things that is not determined. Can be a known unknown, an unknown unknown and an unknonwable

The Multiverse: Consists of many universes

Green

@Anonymous I had an idea that might help you.

Secret

Universe: Pockets of spacetime

Our universe: The one we live in

And finally the conclusion: My diagram thus is all wrong. Will fix that later

O almost forgot:

Green

6:52 PM

Don't worry about the configuration of the system that creates the effects that you want. Just define the effects that you want and handwave the rest. If there are 27 bright lights in the sky, just say so. As long as the system of effects is consistent and follows discernable rules, you should be okay.

Secret

Physics: Study of laws of universe. Often done via experimental means. Outcome cannot be predicted in advance, though can be guided by theoretical models

Green

If you try real hard to describe how 27 stars will be close enough to light a planet but don't interfere with each other....you'll get the "That's impossible" style answers you've gotten on Main.

AndyD273

At least with existing physics

Green

Instead, if you describe an Earth-like world that has 27 big lights in the sky, people will say "Huh, that's weird, I wonder how that works." then move on with your story. By rigorously specifying your planetary system, you invite rigorous examination of that system.

@AndyD273 True, I'm assuming existing physics.

@AndyD273 Inventing new physics makes me itchy.

Learning real physics is hard enough.

@Anonymous everything between this mention and my previous mention of you is the alternate approach I'm suggesting might make your story writing easier.

AndyD273

@Green From some of the comments on the original question, @Anonymous already has new physics in mind: "even though I didn't mention it here . . . in the Sandbox I noted there are different types of light, such as "heavy" and "fast" light. I guess I'll have to include those. I was trying to bring that into account in a later thread but it seems that this will be the only solution."

Green

7:02 PM

@AndyD273 heh :) Still makes me itchy. Also, means I probably won't be of much assistance going forward.

sigh so rarely do people care about the system itself. They only care about the effects.

I mean, regular people, the readers; they don't care too much about the system, just the effects.

WBers are by definition really weird people.

AndyD273

Sometimes the effects are the important bit, and at least in fiction we can start with the effect and then go find a cause.

Hmm, I wonder if a "EFFECT WITHOUT A CAUSE" T-shirts would sell well

Green

@AndyD273 And most of the time, the effects are all you can know about a system. You can't be sure of all inputs or the transforming functions within the system.

@AndyD273 I'm sure @James will want a cut of it.

Heh, publish that t-shirt on some physics website and watch the nerds foam at the mouth.

AndyD273

@Green He'd have to provide good cause...

Green

@AndyD273 I only suggest that because he had dreams of turning monkeylords into some merchandising empire.

AndyD273

7:19 PM

@Green I know, it was a poor pun on the slogan on the shirt

Green

@AndyD273 I think it's a pretty awesome idea though.

Green

7:33 PM

@Bellerophon hey!

Bellerophon

@Green Hi.

Green

@Bellerophon Anything new and exciting?

Bellerophon

No. I don't really have an exiting life.

AndyD273

@Bellerophon I'm glad. Exiting life is so permanent.

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Bellerophon

7:48 PM

I knew I'd spelt that wrong just couldn't quite put my finger on where I went wrong.

AndyD273

I C where you went wrong...

Green

@AndyD273 womp womp.

James

8:09 PM

@Green Huh...what?

I was napping, what'd I miss?

Green

@James You'll want a cut of any profits that Andy's T-shirt might make.

James

@Green I do like getting paid for not doing anything...

Green

If it's MonkeyLords then maybe but if it's his own ideas, then probably not.

@James That makes you the same as everyone else....except me. I like to get paid twice for doing nothing.

FreezePhoenix

Hey.

James

@FreezePhoenix Buenos Dias cold fire

FreezePhoenix

8:11 PM

@James I'm not CF

James

Dude...your name is freeze phoenix.

...admittedly its not my best work. What's up?

FreezePhoenix

Not much.

¿Y tú?

elbows @James (And you?)

James

8:31 PM

@FreezePhoenix Not a whole lot. I have lost motivation for the day so I am trying to gather a list of all my to-do's to attack when I get back here in the morning.

Green

@James An admirable plan.

James

I have a lot of them, its just been an insane week.

so I don't have alot of choice in the matter.

HDE 226868

8:48 PM

One of the awesome things about the current rates of exoplanet discovery is that when someone asks a question about whether a certain setup is possible, it's getting easier and easier to point to a system we've discovered and say "Yes, it is!"

Same goes for a while lot of biology questions, to be honest.

Anonymous

9:28 PM

Hmm.

I still feel the need to try to explain, even if only for myself, @Green.

Hopefully the new thread will be Sandboxed by Monday and posted on main by a week.

Green

@Anonymous That's fine but don't let an explanation be the enemy of completing a written story.

Anonymous

I get it. But I'm writing for a hobby:)

James

@Green This is good advice.

Green

It's your process and you live it. :) I wish merely to point out options for alternate ways to do things.

Anonymous

lol I'm perfectionist

and I edit fast, helpfully

Green

9:31 PM

@Anonymous You may find the Done Manifesto helpful then. medium.com/@bre/the-cult-of-done-manifesto-724ca1c2ff13

"Laugh at perfection. It's boring and keeps you from being done." I quote that as someone where I perfectionism is not a problem for me. I use it mostly as a warning to myself to not be a perfectionist.

Anonymous

sage advice

Speaking of edits, what do you edit most often?

Green

@Anonymous in what context?

Anonymous

I'm always changing math-> MathJax

Editing other people's posts

Green

@Anonymous oh, um, I don't edit other people's posts usually.

Just grammar problems if I see them.

Anonymous